what gabe says.

[gabe]

Thanks, guys.

Calc- I did notice u calling v the best capper in his thread just earlier, even after everything I said in my Barry/Lavar argument w/ him came into fruition. Im not saying I'm better than anyone, but it's safe to say I've capped a lot more winners over the past few cards, and throughout the time I've been here. I will say yes that v is great at finding lines and manipulating shit so he doesn't end up losing money, but it would be silly to say that he can cap winners better than me. A lot of times, my fight predictions go EXACTLY as I've written out. I don't recall others nailing it like that. Im not saying I'm better than anyone else, but if u think there is anyone here that has been picking winners better than me, u haven't been giving me the right amount of attention.

Most of my losses come from very close fights that should have been won, or straight up robberies.

I am baked to the gills right now

[Vaughany]

Thanks, guys.

Calc- I did notice u calling v the best capper in his thread just earlier, even after everything I said in my Barry/Lavar argument w/ him came into fruition. Im not saying I'm better than anyone, but it's safe to say I've capped a lot more winners over the past few cards, and throughout the time I've been here. I will say yes that v is great at finding lines and manipulating shit so he doesn't end up losing money, but it would be silly to say that he can cap winners better than me. A lot of times, my fight predictions go EXACTLY as I've written out. I don't recall others nailing it like that. Im not saying I'm better than anyone else, but if u think there is anyone here that has been picking winners better than me, u haven't been giving me the right amount of attention.

Most of my losses come from very close fights that should have been won, or straight up robberies.

I am baked to the gills right now

hahahaaa funny shit Gabe. You said that Barry's only way of winning would be to sub Lavar....I said he probably wouldnt and tht if won he would probably win by decision from using leg kicks (accumulation of damage). I said if Lavar wins he wins by TKO/KO....what happened?

Your self-adulation and desperation for attention is cringe-worthy bro!...

Belcher/Palhares under 2.5 was also a great play by me...

Moreover, you said u were big on Ferguson, and also had Lineker and Cholish so it's not like u had amazingly better picks than us who had a bad night.

[TheCalculator]

V has BY FAR the best documented MMA plays on this forum (and any other forum I'm aware of). That can't be disputed.

[bjpenn85]

i would like to differ. I think that award goes to gabe!

[Wanna Bet On It?]

Most of my losses come from very close fights that should have been won, or straight up robberies.

I am baked to the gills right now

LOL Gabe. I think you have a lot of insight into MMA but you've had your fair share of complete oversights like Stephen Thompson, anyone with Armenian blood and Crumble Johnson to name a few off the top of my head.

I think you're solid; however, let's not use anecdotal evidence to prove you're as good/better than Vaughany or other reputable cappers. We all have good & bad reads. Vaughany happened to have a bad one. I happened to have a terrible one.

Let's just enjoy each other's insight and not have a dick measuring contest k?

[gabe]

hahahaaa funny shit Gabe. You said that Barry's only way of winning would be to sub Lavar....I said he probably wouldnt and tht if won he would probably win by decision from using leg kicks (accumulation of damage). I said if Lavar wins he wins by TKO/KO....what happened?

Your self-adulation and desperation for attention is cringe-worthy bro!...


Moreover, you said u were big on Ferguson, and also had Lineker and Cholish so it's not like u had amazingly better picks than us who had a bad night.

Yeah, ferguson hurt me.

And yeah, I was right about he Barry fight. You are arguing that I am, but don't see it?

Barry's goal was to clearly get submissions. Were u not watching the same fight? On what planet did he stand a chance of winning a decision? Like I said, only way was if he got a submission, and he failed at it!

[gabe]

V has BY FAR the best documented MMA plays on this forum (and any other forum I'm aware of). That can't be disputed.

He doesn't have documented plays, he has documented bets he's made. You almost never know who he thinks is gna win.

[gabe]

LOL Gabe. I think you have a lot of insight into MMA but you've had your fair share of complete oversights like Stephen Thompson, anyone with Armenian blood and Crumble Johnson to name a few off the top of my head.

I think you're solid; however, let's not use anecdotal evidence to prove you're as good/better than Vaughany or other reputable cappers. We all have good & bad reads. Vaughany happened to have a bad one. I happened to have a terrible one.

Let's just enjoy each other's insight and not have a dick measuring contest k?

You're basically saying I'm not as good or better at picking than V because I haven't picked at 100%... Um, there is the occasional stephen Thompson hiccup... V has more hiccups than I do. I've lost more tailing him than I have won. Last one I tailed him on was wisniewski. Then I found out e wasn't a pick, he just posted it because he liked the line...wtf? Don't post a bet you've made unless u think it's a winner... People come here to tail, not to know what kind of lines ur able to get and manipulate... Anyway, what u said is redundant. Still stands that I've predicted a better percentage of fights than he has. You cant dispute that fact.

[Kaladarus]

Gabe is the Michael Jordan of MMA picks.

[Vitooch]

Keep in mind gabe that a very important part of capping is manipulating lines, lines shopping, arbing, which V does better than any capper I know in any sport. His affinity for yielding profit in every event is insane. You may have the ability picm winners, but your refusal to enbrace the math side of capping will prevent you from profiting as consistently as V.

Your refusal to post your plays consistently also leads to people questioning how well you do each event. Now one is denying that you dont post winners, but its difficult to make a comparison of who is better when you arent clear exactly what plays youre making and how many units each play is.

Im sure many here would like you to make a picks thread to really see how you stack up but you seem opposed to that.

[gabe]

Keep in mind gabe that a very important part of capping is manipulating lines, lines shopping, arbing, which V does better than any capper I know in any sport. His affinity for yielding profit in every event is insane. You may have the ability picm winners, but your refusal to enbrace the math side of capping will prevent you from profiting as consistently as V.

Your refusal to post your plays consistently also leads to people questioning how well you do each event. Now one is denying that you dont post winners, but its difficult to make a comparison of who is better when you arent clear exactly what plays youre making and how many units each play is.

Im sure many here would like you to make a picks thread to really see how you stack up but you seem opposed to that.

Wtf? Lol you're posting in my picks thread. Everyone knows what my picks have been for every card since I joined this forum.

What V does is good for capping, if you're V and you don't pick winners that often. As bunya pointed out before, if he could straight pick winners without arbing and stuff so much, he'd make a lot more... My point is that what he does only benefits himself, people who come here just wanna know what the best bets are, and that's what I provide.

I personally love V, was just pointing out that I'm underlooked on here. Even tho im literally the only person who had both Siyar and Siver winning on that Sweden card. And the only person who had Siler over Miller, and many other such picks.

[DirtyX]

Thanks, guys.

Calc- I did notice u calling v the best capper in his thread just earlier, even after everything I said in my Barry/Lavar argument w/ him came into fruition. Im not saying I'm better than anyone, but it's safe to say I've capped a lot more winners over the past few cards, and throughout the time I've been here. I will say yes that v is great at finding lines and manipulating shit so he doesn't end up losing money, but it would be silly to say that he can cap winners better than me. A lot of times, my fight predictions go EXACTLY as I've written out. I don't recall others nailing it like that. Im not saying I'm better than anyone else, but if u think there is anyone here that has been picking winners better than me, u haven't been giving me the right amount of attention.

Most of my losses come from very close fights that should have been won, or straight up robberies.

I am baked to the gills right now

Dude why don't you let other people decide who is the superior capper, instead of trying to sell everyone on why you are better. I personally haven't seen anything to suggest that you are better than me or anyone else. I chose Lavar as the winner and my previous post back that up, so don't think you are special for calling that correctly, and by the way, you insisted it would be by sub, not TKO. Anyways, congrats, but you don't have to try so hard. just saying.

[DirtyX]

hahahaaa funny shit Gabe. You said that Barry's only way of winning would be to sub Lavar....I said he probably wouldnt and tht if won he would probably win by decision from using leg kicks (accumulation of damage). I said if Lavar wins he wins by TKO/KO....what happened?

Your self-adulation and desperation for attention is cringe-worthy bro!...


Moreover, you said u were big on Ferguson, and also had Lineker and Cholish so it's not like u had amazingly better picks than us who had a bad night.

Did he even post ticket numbers of his wagers?

[fosho14]

V has more hiccups than I do. I've lost more tailing him than I have won. Last one I tailed him on was wisniewski. Then I found out e wasn't a pick, he just posted it because he liked the line...wtf? Don't post a bet you've made unless u think it's a winner... People come here to tail, not to know what kind of lines ur able to get and manipulate... Anyway, what u said is redundant. Still stands that I've predicted a better percentage of fights than he has. You cant dispute that fact.

Ya I hate to say it but I must confess that Gabe makes a good point. Arbitration is all about timing and getting alerted by line changes and profiting off the difference. That is an individual task. The fact that V's "plays" are mainly comprised of arbs make it pretty useless to pay attention to. It's like me posting on a day trading forum a list of all my profitable pips, why would I do that, it doesn't help anybody, the action has already been performed and is done.
In contrast, me posting forecasts and news and predictive analysis would actually be helpful to ppl.

I swear to god it seems like whenever I read his posts before and after the event, it doesn't seem to matter who he picked because he conveniently arbed or hedged the other for a big $. For these reasons I don't really understand why he does such detailed and deep analysis in breaking down and predicting most fights (why would it even matter to him if he's making money either way or playing both sides?). Don't get me wrong I think arbing is great but I would appreciate more discussion to be on picks (like the actual ones your going to stick to and stand by and commit to otherwise it's pointless to document things) and actually more of an annoying distraction than anything.

posting straight pick recommendations with units is most beneficial for everyone, and I will do this starting next event. This isn't a battle to see who was right or who got embarrassed but a way to help each other build each others bankrolls. Posting arbs is not helping anyone on here it's just gloating.

[gabe]

Dude why don't you let other people decide who is the superior capper, instead of trying to sell everyone on why you are better. I personally haven't seen anything to suggest that you are better than me or anyone else. I chose Lavar as the winner and my previous post back that up, so don't think you are special for calling that correctly, and by the way, you insisted it would be by sub, not TKO. Anyways, congrats, but you don't have to try so hard. just saying.

i have no clue who you are and no, i did not say lavar would sub barry lmao i said he would knock him out... who is this clown?

i don't think i'm the superior capper, though my win % would suggest so. i was just pointing out how i'm over-looked on here. i've nailed so many big plays, a lot of them underdogs. i wish there was 1 other guy like me on here so i would always tail him with what he was most confident in. when v says he has a pick he is confident in, like josh neer vs duane ludwig, then i tail him. but he rarely has picks like that. big day's big plays are always worth a look, too.

[Vaughany]

Yeah, ferguson hurt me.

And yeah, I was right about he Barry fight. You are arguing that I am, but don't see it?

Barry's goal was to clearly get submissions. Were u not watching the same fight? On what planet did he stand a chance of winning a decision? Like I said, only way was if he got a submission, and he failed at it!

yeah I'm not saying u didnt call it right, but I certainly didnt call it wrong either which is what you were implying. The fact I bet on Lavar by TKO/KO proves tht!

[Vaughany]

JesusEatsNubs has a 66.2% correct pick percentage on Tapology...yet we all saw how retarded he is with gambling when he posted on here. Having a high percentage of correct picks is great but doesnt mean u are making money

[Grabaka]

Keep in mind gabe that a very important part of capping is manipulating lines, lines shopping, arbing, which V does better than any capper I know in any sport. His affinity for yielding profit in every event is insane. You may have the ability picm winners, but your refusal to enbrace the math side of capping will prevent you from profiting as consistently as V.

Your refusal to post your plays consistently also leads to people questioning how well you do each event. Now one is denying that you dont post winners, but its difficult to make a comparison of who is better when you arent clear exactly what plays youre making and how many units each play is.

Im sure many here would like you to make a picks thread to really see how you stack up but you seem opposed to that.

Exactly.
I think most people have gave you the respect that you deserve. Do you know your MMA? yes.
You cant tail the V blindly you have to tail him with the same or pretty close prices or let them go. I agree its not THAT easy but its worst if you try to tail a guy who doesnt post units like vitooch says.
I give you respect but you are not even close Gabe. And the fact you dont want to learn why V rarely has a losing night is whats stopping you to be actually good at it.
Still send you a hug. Im nobodys hater.

[gabe]

Exactly.
I think most people have gave you the respect that you deserve. Do you know your MMA? yes.
You cant tail the V blindly you have to tail him with the same or pretty close prices or let them go. I agree its not THAT easy but its worst if you try to tail a guy who doesnt post units like vitooch says.
I give you respect but you are not even close Gabe. And the fact you dont want to learn why V rarely has a losing night is whats stopping you to be actually good at it.
Still send you a hug. Im nobodys hater.

stopping me from being good at it? lol i think it's fair to say i'm pretty good. i myself rarely have losing nights.

i used to post units. didn't for the last card. doesn't make a difference if i do or not. all that matters is you know who i'm backing and how i feel about 'em. that's all i need to know from anyone else. i don't care what you're betting (since most of you here are small-time bettors, anyway) or how you're manipulating lines, i just wanna know who you think is going to win and why. any more than that is unnecessary.

[Vaughany]

stopping me from being good at it? lol i think it's fair to say i'm pretty good. i myself rarely have losing nights.

i used to post units. didn't for the last card. doesn't make a difference if i do or not. all that matters is you know who i'm backing and how i feel about 'em. that's all i need to know from anyone else. i don't care what you're betting (since most of you here are small-time bettors, anyway) or how you're manipulating lines, i just wanna know who you think is going to win and why. any more than that is unnecessary.

Not really. U said you were going big on Ferguson. So if one bet 10 units on Ferguson then small in comparison on Gaudinot, Belcher, and Johnson (say 1 unit each) you still probably wouldn't of come out ahead, thus why what you are staking is probably more important than your winning picks percentage.

[Beelzebubzy]

You're basically saying I'm not as good or better at picking than V because I haven't picked at 100%... Um, there is the occasional stephen Thompson hiccup... V has more hiccups than I do. I've lost more tailing him than I have won. Last one I tailed him on was wisniewski. Then I found out e wasn't a pick, (1) he just posted it because he liked the line...wtf? Don't post a bet you've made unless u think it's a winner... People come here to tail, not to know what kind of lines ur able to get and manipulate... Anyway, what u said is redundant. Still stands that I've (2)predicted a better percentage of fights than he has. You cant dispute that fact.

1) You used to categorize on mega plays/ super plays/picks/posts/and locks -

2) Definetely do not think this is true. V has picked more successful dogs (Neer over Ludwig, Condit over Diaz, Brown over Thompson are ones I recall over recent memory. From what I know of your picks, your breakdowns are somehting like this

One thing for sure about tomorrow, though... EL CUCUY IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!

Tony Ferguson, baby. I'm taking this big. Michael Johnson looks confident and ready to upset, but El Cucuy is El Cucuy, so fuggedaboudit.

[DirtyX]

i have no clue who you are and no, i did not say lavar would sub barry lmao i said he would knock him out... who is this clown?

i don't think i'm the superior capper, though my win % would suggest so. i was just pointing out how i'm over-looked on here. i've nailed so many big plays, a lot of them underdogs. i wish there was 1 other guy like me on here so i would always tail him with what he was most confident in. when v says he has a pick he is confident in, like josh neer vs duane ludwig, then i tail him. but he rarely has picks like that. big day's big plays are always worth a look, too.

I wouldn't say that you are over looked man.. I think you are trying too hard to sell us on why you are the best capper on this forum. I personally love input from more than just V or BigDay who's opinions I do value when trying to make a significant play. And by the way, I am Dirty and I have been betting MMA since 2008, been a fan since 2006. Mucho Gusto.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Ya I hate to say it but I must confess that Gabe makes a good point. Arbitration is all about timing and getting alerted by line changes and profiting off the difference. That is an individual task. The fact that V's "plays" are mainly comprised of arbs make it pretty useless to pay attention to. It's like me posting on a day trading forum a list of all my profitable pips, why would I do that, it doesn't help anybody, the action has already been performed and is done.

I have to agree here. Not discounting Vauganys insight into fights but just speaking on the "arb" aspect. These arb opportunities only exist for two reasons.

1. Recreational Euro books that offer lines which are out of whack with the regular market. Or open lines in a way that someone like V could exploit, but at the end of the day they severely limit this which makes a very low ceiling that V has already reached. What else could you do, get 10 friends to make accounts and use them so you can bet $300 instead of $30? It's still not worth it. Thats why these books offer the lines because the money involved is really small, theyre just hoping you bet on "futebol" or something where they will let you put thousands into action.

2. Betting openers and then arbing out when the lines moves. This does involve foresight and knowledge but you are again severely limited by the books. For example, lets say Tom Deblass is opened at +165 you bet him thinking the line should be the other way around, and then it actually flips and you arb out betting his opponent at +165. Well, every book limits the openers to like $100 so what, you make a $65 profit either way? Once again there is a very low ceiling which V has already reached.

IMO, being able to predict these movements is a valuable skill which V possesses which is why I'm baffled as to why he ***** around with betting openers. There is a reason the books offer opening lines and limit them but later let you bet big. You are just doing there job for them sharing your valuable insight and all you get in return in a few hundred bucks. And you still have to sweat that in many cases.

[Vaughany]

I have to agree here. Not discounting Vauganys insight into fights but just speaking on the "arb" aspect. These arb opportunities only exist for two reasons.

1. Recreational Euro books that offer lines which are out of whack with the regular market. Or open lines in a way that someone like V could exploit, but at the end of the day they severely limit this which makes a very low ceiling that V has already reached. What else could you do, get 10 friends to make accounts and use them so you can bet $300 instead of $30? It's still not worth it. Thats why these books offer the lines because the money involved is really small, theyre just hoping you bet on "futebol" or something where they will let you put thousands into action.

2. Betting openers and then arbing out when the lines moves. This does involve foresight and knowledge but you are again severely limited by the books. For example, lets say Tom Deblass is opened at +165 you bet him thinking the line should be the other way around, and then it actually flips and you arb out betting his opponent at +165. Well, every book limits the openers to like $100 so what, you make a $65 profit either way? Once again there is a very low ceiling which V has already reached.

IMO, being able to predict these movements is a valuable skill which V possesses which is why I'm baffled as to why he ***** around with betting openers. There is a reason the books offer opening lines and limit them but later let you bet big. You are just doing there job for them sharing your valuable insight and all you get in return in a few hundred bucks. And you still have to sweat that in many cases.[/FONT]

You make good points. But if I don't catch an opening line somebody else will. Yes I might only be putting $100 on it but I'd rather put $100 on Benavidez by TKO/KO at +360 agaisnt Urushitani when it comes out then put $500 on it at +175 after it's had lots of action. In a perfect world I'd like to wait it out until limits increase but by then tht line is bound to of got some action. Only takes a few max bets on Sportbet for instance to drastically alter the line. But u are right, a ceiling is/or is going to be reached, I'm now limited on most Euro books to the point where it will become pointless doing arbs. William Hill paid close to 2 grand in to my account at the wknd with my arbs on Belcher and Diaz (had Palhares and Miller on another site) so they will probably limit me from now on.

[BIGDAY]

This is getting good.

Everyone does it differently. It's all good. My threads ussualy are fairly simple wagers with sometimes having an entertaining vid to go along with it. Post them in Players Talk and MMA forum just so I can get some added entertainment out of the deal as there are some real personalities over there. The thing is, not every card will have clear cut winners. Just try to find soem good ones.
Sometimes I get lucky and they hit for me.

[BIGDAY]

Knowing where the line will go is probably the best thing to know. So you can always capture the best number. That in itself can keep you profitable imo.

[Beelzebubzy]

This is getting good.

Everyone does it differently. It's all good. My threads ussualy are fairly simple wagers with sometimes having an entertaining vid to go along with it. Post them in Players Talk and MMA forum just so I can get some added entertainment out of the deal as there are some real personalities over there. The thing is, not every card will have clear cut winners. Just try to find soem good ones.
Sometimes I get lucky and they hit for me.

cough*Hendricks*cough

[DeFactoCrippler]

You make good points. But if I don't catch an opening line somebody else will. Yes I might only be putting $100 on it but I'd rather put $100 on Benavidez by TKO/KO at +360 agaisnt Urushitani when it comes out then put $500 on it at +175 after it's had lots of action. In a perfect world I'd like to wait it out until limits increase but by then tht line is bound to of got some action. Only takes a few max bets on Sportbet for instance to drastically alter the line. But u are right, a ceiling is/or is going to be reached, I'm now limited on most Euro books to the point where it will become pointless doing arbs. William Hill paid close to 2 grand in to my account at the wknd with my arbs on Belcher and Diaz (had Palhares and Miller on another site) so they will probably limit me from now on.

I get what youre saying you don't want to leave money on the table. I'm not going to telling you to stop betting openers and getting paid, just think the info you give to the books is worth more than what you're getting.

[DeFactoCrippler]

One thing for sure about tomorrow, though... EL CUCUY IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!

[BIGDAY]

cough*Hendricks*cough

Would have been much better with a 1st round KO, like McDonald lol.

[NunyaBidness]

What V does is good for capping, if you're V and you don't pick winners that often. As bunya pointed out before, if he could straight pick winners without arbing and stuff so much, he'd make a lot more...

I've pointed out that if he didn't arb and instead kept exposure only on soft sides he'd make more, but the other things pointed out in this thread, line-shopping, having multiple outs, understanding odds more than makes up for the small amount he sacrifices in some of his arbs.

My point is that what he does only benefits himself, people who come here just wanna know what the best bets are, and that's what I provide.

Build a fire for a man and he's warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

[NunyaBidness]

Just want to add it takes HUGE ******* BALLS to get on stage and talk about anything -- let alone comedy. Let's see Nunya get on stage and talk about something. lol

Not sure why the hate?

[NunyaBidness]

For my fans...

bad recording with iphone. doesn't sound like it in the vid, but i was killin it. iphone didn't capture most of the laughter </3

[gabe]

I wouldn't say that you are over looked man.. I think you are trying too hard to sell us on why you are the best capper on this forum. I personally love input from more than just V or BigDay who's opinions I do value when trying to make a significant play. And by the way, I am Dirty and I have been betting MMA since 2008, been a fan since 2006. Mucho Gusto.

Me: "I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else..."

You: "I think you are trying too hard to sell us on why you are the best..."

Yeah, I'm trying so hard that I'm telling you that I'm not the best.

Again, was just pointing out that it's silly to over-look me.

[gabe]

Wow, Nunya has nothing negative to say about my video? He just highlighted the fact that I said not all the laughs were caught with the iphone? (still obvious i killed, the way it is!) That's all??? lollll weak