that not why it high..opened lower, money hitting As cause 2 reasons, cards struggle vs guys like milone, they several gms below .500 vs lefties, but i like fading them vs the shitbags, milone stuff is certainly softtoss which a issue but when cards play ace lefties and are dogs they turn into a much better team but against the lee's and kershaws of the world cause they understand the challenge ahead and work counts and drive balls opposite field, it when you get a high 4 even 5 era guy not throwing over 90 cards simply flail at everything over their head, hell there times i could roll a ball up there left handed and they would prob swing which is crazy cause yo watch them vs righties they work counts and wait for their pitch and drive everything opposite field...i really think melvin made a mistake today that could have opened their eyes as i doubt holliday has ever had a lefty brought it to face him and he delivered. then adams goes deeep.. trust me the number not there to scare you off oak it there cause of cards record vs this type of lefty, thing is they usually nice size favs and you will never be behind taking plus money against them in those gms. and it has went up since open not cause fear of cards money but because ppl always fade cards at wrong times and are driving this line based on cards rec vs lhp and lack of respect for westbrook, who i think will be difficult on a team like oak ..under may be worth a look but even tho i thought id be betting oak coming into this gm i think not only is the melvin more a factor but you simply paying to much in a gm cards win 50% of the time..
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I can agree with a lot of that. I thibk cards will show up again for sure, but if Milone gets his offspeed going he can be nasty
His changeup gets so much chase. I need to do more lookins on westbrook to kno if As will work him or not. The As love To hit Fastballs and like taking pitches for balls to try and get pitch count Up and frustrate / draw walk. How you think westbrook will handle? Milone notorious for giving up about 4 runs
What kind of westbrook u think we will see? Lotta fastball? Hangers over middle????Comment -
almost positive im playing cards but holding out for better line even tho i feel like +135 a really good deal never hurts to get more..
rox +110..ths would have been 2x if pomeranz wasnt taking chatwoods spot in the order, little bit of projecting on him even tho he pitched all last season, had trouble locating and relied to much on his fastball but the kid is a big time prospect. he started yr in minors and got his walk rate at least manageable while refining his secondary pitches, i dont read much into the era which wasnt great as a lot of times a kid like him going down to simply work on certain pitches not worried about the results..guess we will see if this kid has what it takes to live up to the billing as if he is what they say id expect him to come up and pitch like he isnt trying to go back! helps sf not scoring shit and bumgarner only 3-3 lifetime at coors with a few tough beat downs, cudyer is smoking hot, gonzo has great numbers vs bumfukker and ultimately getting + money on the better team right now..may add ff cause sf certainly holds the pen adv..Comment -
almost exclusively sinker/slider..sinker has a lot of movement as he forces one of the best ground ball rates in the league last i checked..always been innings eater and dependable but last year when he added the slider that seems to give him something that looked same but broke different forcing even more poor contact...i know what As love brother, cards my team but i follows oak more than anyone else besides them, i knew they would tag miller cause he is in love with his heat and i knew he owuld screw around and challenge guys you should not do that with (i never even seen him shake yadi off so much, he was insistent on trying to beat a great fb hitting lineup with his fastball cause he young and dumb), not to say i told you so but i tried so hard to get you off As yesterday cause i saw how excited you were after they lit miller up you kinda overlooked the fact waino has the best curve in the biz and mixes in a cutter as well, he is what happens when you have immense talent and have also learned how to pitch which shelby still working on...gotta check ump cause westbrook needs a ump giving him bottom of the zone but if he has that i think oak be pounding balls in the ground all day, if this was lynns start not only would price be right for oak but they would smack him (i swear they have no clue how to like cards gms, lol)...yea i like milone and that the prob with cards vs lefties the drop that patient work the count approach and swing at everything, it like they think they see it good out of these lefties hands and flail away, they got 2 runs in 2 pitches vs bedard last week then he figured out he didnt have to throw them a strike..Comment -
Yea I actually laid off yesteeday cuz it was a fan bet. Bettin against wain Ain't a good way to make $$$. I ended up 350 yesterday. Won 250 on reds and 200 on tampa but lost 125 on dumb mariners haha.
The As can hit a cutter pretty well but not the breaking pitches as consistently I think. I'm waitin on line up for tomorrow.
Just want To remind u that giants are fighting Away from L6 be caredul no team likes losing 6 in a row and a new pitcher might be their ticket to a WComment -
I've always liked carpenter westbrook and waine over lynn nd miller which comea from last year cuz wesstbrook was always better number than lynn and would win oftenComment -
Wow make that giants losing 7 in a row if they don't win...... big game for themComment -
no cutter, str8 sinker with darting movement when it on.. yea once a team loses 4 in a row i tend to start fading them till they win. unless i see a reason not to..pomeranaz isnt new, he pitched up here all last yr, very high up prospect they just wanted him to start yr in minors to work on command and secondary pitches. he got some plus stuff and was crown jewel in the jimenez deal, way sf is going right now ill take a kid that was upset he started the yr in triple a and now wants to prove he here to stay..plus rox kinda rake bummfucker and have been great vs lefties lately...they might get beat but i think i have better than a coinflip and i get the + money..biggest worry is the kid didnt make it further than 5 many times last yr and rox pen scares me, hopefully he been stretched out a little more..Comment -
Mad bum Is their best and most consistent pitcher it is often him that gets this team out a funk. He puts up good starts and plays well vs rockies. I like offense to push tru tomorrow giants r good when they need to be and know pitching gonna bak em up. Best of luck I kno giants r also weak as hell vs Rockies so maybe they do lose??? I am stayn away giants r menacing when backs to wallComment -
Yea I do remember pomeramz thougt maybe he was a diff 1 that guy has good cuveball right he a strik out pitcher swing n miss guyComment -
yea he avg over 10k per 9 in triple A, think he was around 7or 8 per 9 in bigs last yr but his walks were kinda high..still not exactly where id like to see them think he at like 3.3 per 9 in minors but right now if his stuff sharp i cant believe sf hitting it..posey was the only one that hit him last yr in very limited abs tho..Comment -
Sandoval can hit amything thrown some days too but other guys will b iffyComment -
Gonna be a gpod marchup like u sais coinflip kinda i just lean giants to avoid L7Comment -
over the years ive found i can win a lot more riding with the streak than trying to guess when it gonna stop..doesnt hurt my feelings if ive hit a few then lose, bothers me trying to predict the end of a slide or a heater which damn near impossible and then lose and be stuck in same spot next gm cause then im committed, lolComment -
Haha fuh show. U like braves to sweep?? Seems they r hot again and Cahill crapComment -
i tend not to bet bravos gms very often, they just one of those teams i dont read well, very rarely do i bet them, every once in a while i bet against them but i doubt more than few times a month either way..fukkers are such free swngers i cant stand paying juice and they up their swatting at butterflies..Comment -
Ill be on oak today,lets see what happends!
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it a tough gm.. i said all weekend id be on milone, always fade cards vs soft tossing lefties but typically i get the plus money to do it, think the all a sudden price adjustment a little to drastic..and again i may be reading more than there is into what happened yesterday when melvin brought in that lefty to face holliday, going out on a limb and gonna stick with my belief i know this team pretty well and think it may be the kind of thing that has them take a better approach vs the lefty today.. not like it logical they cant hit lefties, it almost like evry time lefty lets go of the ball it looks like beach ball to them and they swing no matter what which is the exact opposite of their philosophy... if it doesnt change and milone figures out no sense in throwing them strikes they wont score more than 3, if they get back to being patient and only hitting their pitch i got a great deal at +135..guess thats why they play the gms...gl todayComment -
good morning my brother like I said your write ups are great. and you make a lot good point's on this game. bank when this line came out I thought it was a mistake.like I said before I don't know much about baseball. but I do know when I see a big mistake. the oddsmakers must have fell out of a tree when making this line. I just want to say ty to the oddsmakers and the public for this great line just unreal. bank i'm with you. you give me SL against anybody I don't care who is pitching. it's not like SL has a bad pitcher . bank if i'm wrong it won't be the last time. gl to the bank
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it prob not as bad a mistake as you think my brother. oak should be favs, this prob closer to right that they have gotten for cards vs a soft tossing lefty cause i been cashing +140/150/160 type lines when cards were huge favs against a soft tossing no name lefty they had no chance against. i figured lines would adjust cause their overall record vs lhp is really bad especially for a team with this kind of record. the real crazy thing is ill take cards vs a ace lefty like kershaw or lee but if it some guy off the scrapheap that throws junk and cant beat anyone else, that dude kills stl and has for years.. the other crazy thing is if lynn was pitching it be way closer to pick even tho westbrook a much better matchup to pitch to the As imo..i dunno seems to me like cards lines off a good 3-4 times a week..not gonna lie tho, while i played them i really dont know if they will go out here and get shut down but it certainly possible, price is right tho and sticking to my story that when As manager brought a lefty in to face holliday in big spot he may have insulted them just enough to punish this guy today.Comment -
sound's good ty bank for that info . just when I see that SL just beat the As yesterday and now that PITT is in 1 place. I don't think that SL will stay in 2 place for to much longer . but I think I seen this line 130 . and at 130 I will jump all over SL if i'm wrong like you said it's gambling. sweep this card bank gl my brotherComment -
the ump in oakland is Hickox
Nice writeups as always Banker
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im pretty tired so not writing much, if ya wanna know something just ask
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laa/hou ov 9 +102 1.5x..really like this play, no clue why they offering me plus money but if i havnt mentioned before (or ya wernt listening, lol) i tend to trust hou to score off lefties, and this one that sets up great cause i much rather have halo's facing a righty, especially a righty that throws 70% fastballs and can not locate it, it bad enough to be throwing that much heat but when you only throw 40something% ks what happens is not only do yo walk ppl as harrell does (barely more than a k per walk) but then everyone knows what coming when you have to come over the plate, cards lit this dude up like a xmas tree and while i hate comparing cards to halo's if yo can get over fact halos suck and cards do not there are similarities, both much better against rhp, both like the fastballs, and laa is heating up, i think they come in here and return the favor from that pathetic 4 gm sweep in la. id expect between harrell getting knocked around and ran by 5th then halos will go to work on a pen that has been pretty bad..not taking anyting away from wilson but stros have got him for 4 hrs in like 11 innings, granted plenty of solo shots but hou can hit lefties and that short porch is very easy to take adv of as they got cj for 2 blast his last trip to ho, unfortunately even tho hou drew walks and scattered 7 hits the 2 hrs were both solo. i gotta cap this believing stros can get another 2 off cj and all im asking if for a runner on base for one of them. even in cj good gms vs stros they have still got him to throw a lot of pitches and run him before completing more than 6, another over where i feel like we gonna get at least 3 innings from some suspect pens and feel like only reason not paying juice is cause the cj wilson name and lastros less than stellar reputation.. but that doesnt matter cause stros hit lefties and have been even better lately vs them. if this team sets up for anything is taking advantage of tthat short porch and lhp.. dont thing hou has a problem scoring 3-4 runs and i expect laa to puch this well over the numnber
rox +110..ths would have been 2x if pomeranz wasnt taking chatwoods spot in the order, little bit of projecting on him even tho he pitched all last season, had trouble locating and relied to much on his fastball but the kid is a big time prospect. he started yr in minors and got his walk rate at least manageable while refining his secondary pitches, i dont read much into the era which wasnt great as a lot of times a kid like him going down to simply work on certain pitches not worried about the results..guess we will see if this kid has what it takes to live up to the billing as if he is what they say id expect him to come up and pitch like he isnt trying to go back! helps sf not scoring shit and bumgarner only 3-3 lifetime at coors with a few tough beat downs, cudyer is smoking hot, gonzo has great numbers vs bumfukker and ultimately getting + money on the better team right now..may add ff cause sf certainly holds the pen adv..
blow jays +126..dont really trust either pitcher, at least buehrle a lefty which means expect bos to hit 40 points lower and score damn near 2 fewer runs a gm..while in breaking news dempster is in fact a righty who turns out jays hit better. think tor can force a split as they try to stay in the mix..
cle +126..damn the pitcher, sale great and all but taking the better team that been rolling these fools all weekendComment -
cards +125..fukked up not playing it at +135 i guess..this been discussed plenty above..Comment -
sup banker, nice thread and as always great analysis. I saw Trout is out of the lineup today. Still good to go on the halos/lastros over?Comment -
ah that explains why i got a shitty number, one of these days im gonna start listening to BIff and wait on sunday totals,,byt yea u know me i wouldnt have played w/o lineups if i cared who was out there. long as harrell and wilson pitching i think we get there, no knock on wilson really just need the lefty stros can take over that short porch..trout prob hurts the range in outfield so maybe balances out? not that i know who replacing him, lol..Comment -
Do you know anything about Hickox strikezone?Comment -
someone at another site has been posting his program results and another person using those results to experiment with these.. so far it has pretty good success so thought i would let ya know it aint mine but just passing along (well all that mine is i kinda pick and choose from the few i might not like, lol)
tor/bos h/r/e un 30 -115
stl/oak h/r/e un 28 -115
this mine
sd/fla ff un 4 -125Comment -
it also spits out yes /no percentage for score in 1st inning..more skeptical of this so playing them super small..i just round robin the 4 me and machine agreed on, like i said super small as you will see as these feel like a bit of a crap shoot.
maybe if they have a little success ill start doing more than 5 bucks on them..lol..the h+r+e i am playing for more..5.00 $11.22 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 1:05pm Props Baseball 2904 WAS/NYM no score 1st inn -120* vs WAS/NYM score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 4:05pm Props Baseball 2909 SFO/COL score 1st inn yes -130* vs SFO/COL no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) 185657606-2 6/30/13 12:36pm $5.00 $11.22 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 1:05pm Props Baseball 2904 WAS/NYM no score 1st inn -120* vs WAS/NYM score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 1:30pm Props Baseball 2915 TOR/BOS score 1st inn yes -130* vs TOR/BOS no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) 185657606-3 6/30/13 12:36pm $5.00 $10.96 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 1:05pm Props Baseball 2904 WAS/NYM no score 1st inn -120* vs WAS/NYM score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 2:05pm Props Baseball 2922 CLE/CWS no score 1st inn -135* vs CLE/CWS score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) 185657606-4 6/30/13 12:36pm $5.00 $10.65 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 4:05pm Props Baseball 2909 SFO/COL score 1st inn yes -130* vs SFO/COL no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 1:30pm Props Baseball 2915 TOR/BOS score 1st inn yes -130* vs TOR/BOS no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) 185657606-5 6/30/13 12:36pm $5.00 $10.40 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 4:05pm Props Baseball 2909 SFO/COL score 1st inn yes -130* vs SFO/COL no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 2:05pm Props Baseball 2922 CLE/CWS no score 1st inn -135* vs CLE/CWS score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) 185657606-6 6/30/13 12:36pm $5.00 $10.40 Pending 2 Team Parlay Pending 6/30/13 1:30pm Props Baseball 2915 TOR/BOS score 1st inn yes -130* vs TOR/BOS no score 1st inn (Fixed Price) Pending 6/30/13 2:05pm Props Baseball 2922 CLE/CWS no score 1st inn -135* vs CLE/CWS score 1st inn yes (Fixed Price) Comment -
adding another unit to tor and col
jays +128
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dodgers-112..that waste of space kemp is way down in the order tonight so long as pitcher can keep many balls from being hit to him he shouldnt fukkk the gm up too much!
scrubbies +104 1x un 8.5 .5x
might play balty but going out so who knows..gl everyoneComment -
in the financial world this is captured in the maxim "never try to catch a falling knife" (= don't try to guess the end of a losing streak)
to which i've added "and never try to catch a rising arrow" (=don't try to guess the end of a winning streak)
i'm on your Cards (and the HRE under) & the Rox too...great price on 'em too! (i agree with ya'...fuk worryin' bout not BTCL...enjoy the better price cuz BTCL doesn't do shit to help the ticket along)Comment -
goddam oakland "never say die" "play till the last out" Energizer Bunnies...hate betting against those guys no matter what the numbers look like...the way they play=with college-baseball intensity...is worth a half-run a game...
lotsa sharp guys thot they played over their head last year (and they were right)...so they went under on their season win-total future figuring they'd regress this year (they're wrong...cuz they're gonna keep on "playing over their heads" all season just like they did last year...and just lyk the fukin Angels are gonna keep underperforming)...teams, just lyk individuals have character...and the oakland team is a never-say-die fighter...they play ball lyk Frankie Edgar fightsComment
