Bestake.com warning

**lukahh** · 07-19-10, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

how do you even know how much of Bestake's funds Moneybookers is holding?
every chance it's nowhere near enough to satisfy more than a minute fraction of claims and would more than likely be eaten up by costs.

you are correct. mb moved to freeze account fast, but noone knows if fast enough. but it's the only chance for victims.

**noyb** · 07-19-10, 03:36 AM

i'm not that big of a legal expert at all, but how does a uk judge have any jurisdiction here? the company you are suing is not licensed in the uk, not located in the uk, not physically present in the uk and a vast majoity if not all scammed users are not from the uk. the fraud has not happened on uk soil in any way. or are you suggesting they go after moneybookers? in which case they won't have any case imo.

as far as i know, to touch the Moneybookers-funds you either need Moneybookers to cooperate in giving it back (and i'm not sure if they can legally), or you need a judge instructing Moneybookers to give it back. Again, the only judge that can do this on first glance seems to be a CR one to me, altough i stand to be corrected if you can actually give me some basis on which i'm wrong here.

**Hareeba!** · 07-19-10, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by noyb

i'm not that big of a legal expert at all, but how does a uk judge have any jurisdiction here? the company you are suing is not licensed in the uk, not located in the uk, not physically present in the uk and a vast majoity if not all scammed users are not from the uk. the fraud has not happened on uk soil in any way. or are you suggesting they go after moneybookers? in which case they won't have any case imo.

as far as i know, to touch the Moneybookers-funds you either need Moneybookers to cooperate in giving it back (and i'm not sure if they can legally), or you need a judge instructing Moneybookers to give it back. Again, the only judge that can do this on first glance seems to be a CR one to me, altough i stand to be corrected if you can actually give me some basis on which i'm wrong here.

totally agree

if some authority acts to wind up Bestake they will instruct Moneybookers as to the payment of the funds they hold.

if nothing happens after whatever the stipulated timeframe is I expect that Moneybookers will be obliged under the relevant Unclaimed Moneys legislation to forward the funds to the relevant government agency where anyone with a just claim on the money can apply for payment .... but that could all take years and no doubt a heap of costs to prove

Moneybookers is not entitled to just keep the money for themselves and I'm sure they won't. They can't afford not to comply with relevant legislation.

**hugejames** · 07-19-10, 04:24 AM

i just gave up the trade when i notice some thing abnormal

**lukahh** · 07-19-10, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by noyb

i'm not that big of a legal expert at all, but how does a uk judge have any jurisdiction here? the company you are suing is not licensed in the uk, not located in the uk, not physically present in the uk and a vast majoity if not all scammed users are not from the uk. the fraud has not happened on uk soil in any way. or are you suggesting they go after moneybookers? in which case they won't have any case imo.

as far as i know, to touch the Moneybookers-funds you either need Moneybookers to cooperate in giving it back (and i'm not sure if they can legally), or you need a judge instructing Moneybookers to give it back. Again, the only judge that can do this on first glance seems to be a CR one to me, altough i stand to be corrected if you can actually give me some basis on which i'm wrong here.

i believe the legal basis for uk claim is that funds were forwarded via uk-registered institution, who still holds the funds. i admit i am not sure. i am however certain that moneybookers officials would, if there were a meeting with them, steer the scammed ppl into right direction.

**Zvone** · 07-19-10, 07:06 AM

Moneybooers respose:

I would also like to assure you that we have already reported the issue to the respective authorities like SOCA so we are doing our best to protect our customers from fraud. Since your lawyer is on the case, we would recommend that they contact SOCA and any other gaming regulation authority for more details or to assist with information for tehir investigations."

Is someone try to contact SOCA ?

**davidchong** · 07-19-10, 08:09 AM

how much this scam??? 150k???

**berbbi** · 07-19-10, 09:27 AM

3000000

**noyb** · 07-19-10, 10:33 AM

it probably depends a lot whether you only count deposits or you also count the monopoly money that was won by users at ridiculous odds while playing there.

**lukahh** · 07-19-10, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by noyb

it probably depends a lot whether you only count deposits or you also count the monopoly money that was won by users at ridiculous odds while playing there.

hehe. indeed. of course you have to count at least part of the monopoly money, too, as this money was lost to other sites covering the other end of odds

**pepe** · 07-20-10, 12:24 PM

I complicated the resolution of this problem

I would be willing to hire a lawyer, but I'm from Spain, how we do it?

It is clear that a trial would win, but they do not have the money. Where did you draw?

greetings

**DIF** · 07-20-10, 12:51 PM

****, this is another trick from the bookmakers. What a scam, thanks for sharing this with us.

**poker_player** · 07-21-10, 09:28 AM

I think it would be cheaper to just kill the ************.

I'm giving more money to another scamer in Costa Rica

**LeeRain** · 07-21-10, 01:26 PM

(english - sorry it's not perfect at all, hope you understand).

If an activity has not that much of rules, it means that operators are free to act. But it doesn't mean that judges can't punish.
It is not the government that must just behaviours, but the law system.
The existence or not of the fraud doesn't depend on laws about online betting, because the fraud exists indipendetly of the activity in whick the fraud developes. In the trial, we try to understand if there was a cheat, the damage provoked, and who had advantage of it.
Saying that here is a land without rules is not seriuos. People and companies must obey to all the giuridic and penal rules.

What's more, he said that any of us, of any nationality, can make an unique case.

**suitedaces** · 07-26-10, 01:06 PM

any fresh news?

**fredkiller** · 07-27-10, 05:24 PM

hello all,

I first want to excuse me for my English, I'm Belgian ...
I too am a victim of this fraud, I lost € 5600 because of links that everybody know who helped bestake take all the money.
This sum is enormous for me, I had to buy a car!
neteller I contacted several times there is an investigation but they can not do anything because it is not in their jurisdiction!
Bestake said he will come back to me in August but I do not believe at all, I do not understand is why the site is still online???
Have you heard from your side?? I am sure we will dream never do what our money would be nice too ..

good evening
And hello of a Belgian

**cedrig1** · 07-28-10, 11:24 AM

I can't connect to the bestake site today.
Am I the only one ??

**tommygun** · 07-28-10, 11:42 AM

dont gamble with money you cant afford to lose

**noyb** · 07-28-10, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by cedrig1

I can't connect to the bestake site today.
Am I the only one ??

me neither. what a surprise.

**issey76** · 07-28-10, 01:09 PM

finish

not avaible bestake.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**dereksandberg** · 07-28-10, 01:40 PM

what a doop. this is bad.

**tommygun** · 07-28-10, 03:42 PM

damn i really felt like today was the day i could drop $20k in a bestake account, dissapointing the site is shut down

**acarmelo1** · 07-28-10, 05:56 PM

Betsatke site for sell?

**suitedaces** · 07-28-10, 11:37 PM

all is over, i think....

**rcrd** · 07-29-10, 03:39 AM

I have reported from Costa Rica that the president of the company that has cheated us is Vasili
Zaslavsky and also represented Yehuda Sidi.

The crime of fraud is punishable there with imprisonment from six months to ten years if the amount defrauded exceeds ten times the base salary. Article 216 of the penal code of Costa Rica. (Http://www.aiamp.net/fichasaiamp/cos...o_penal_cr.pdf)

**rcrd** · 07-29-10, 03:41 AM

sorry, Yehuda Sidias.

**PSD999** · 07-29-10, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by tommygun

damn i really felt like today was the day i could drop $20k in a bestake account, dissapointing the site is shut down

I created account 22.7.2010 and made some screenshots

**Hareeba!** · 07-29-10, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by rcrd

I have reported from Costa Rica that the president of the company that has cheated us is Vasili
Zaslavsky and also represented Yehuda Sidi.

The crime of fraud is punishable there with imprisonment from six months to ten years if the amount defrauded exceeds ten times the base salary. Article 216 of the penal code of Costa Rica. (Http://www.aiamp.net/fichasaiamp/cos...o_penal_cr.pdf)

do they sound like Costa Rican nationals to you?

I reckon Vasili said to Yehuda: "Best take the money and run" ,,,, and they are loooong goooone"

**Pareto** · 07-29-10, 04:42 AM

Just saw this two month old article about them

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/38878-1275447427-bestakecom-upgrades-its-servers-gives-facelift-to-its-website-and-also-reduces-its-commissions.html

Online PR News – 01-June-2010 – (San Jose- Costa Rica) Bestake.com is one of the top online betting and betting exchange companies on the web. Hundreds of sports betting fans make use of this top rated online betting site to place their bets on all top sports including baseball, basketball, football, handball, Ice Hockey, Rugby, Soccer, and Tennis.

Wow...hundreds of customers. Sounds like a top online betting company.

Besides that, Bestake is also a very safe online sports betting website. As online sports betting involves a considerable amount of money transactions, it is vital that the online betting website used is trustworthy. Bestake being one of the most reliable online betting websites with long-standing history of positive reputation, customers will never have to worry about any safety issues.

Not much to say about that.

**tommygun** · 07-29-10, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by rcrd

I have reported from Costa Rica that the president of the company that has cheated us is Vasili Zaslavsky and also represented Yehuda Sidi. The crime of fraud is punishable there with imprisonment from six months to ten years if the amount defrauded exceeds ten times the base salary. Article 216 of the penal code of Costa Rica. (Http://www.aiamp.net/fichasaiamp/cos...o_penal_cr.pdf)

Sorry to say but your money is long gone, you guys just need to look up the FutureBet Scam, they actually have a headquarters in Canada and people still can't do anything...

**gman2114** · 07-29-10, 08:50 AM

finally i was one not burned by a site.

**cedrig1** · 08-03-10, 01:54 AM

Have you got any answer by bestake since a week ?

**fredkiller** · 08-08-10, 07:31 AM

hello

Do you have any answers about bestake?? neteller me told me that this was not their jurisdiction! but then who will get the money?? neteller blocked their account and I guess he did not have records ....
What a nasty, we fell into a beautiful fraud and what we can do since neteller will not intervene! moneybooker I do not know since I 've not made any deposit on bestake with it ...
I would so love that these people be punished, I € 5,600 in the nature strip ... it disgusts me.
All that remains is "what do the same thing and we bar with all the money too!

**mind3z** · 08-12-10, 08:44 AM

Hello,

I am waiting for a withdrawal over € 2,000, anyone got withdrawal?

**austin** · 08-12-10, 09:29 AM

bad news, mind3z, prepare never to see your money. bestake was a scam. sorry to tell you that