Bestake.com warning

**poker_player** · 08-13-10, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by mind3z

Hello,

I am waiting for a withdrawal over € 2,000, anyone got withdrawal?

When was that?
It's been over a moth that betstake is down... And you didn't find it wrong?

**fredkiller** · 08-15-10, 08:47 AM

hello all,

we can not stay like that and let them leave with our money, we must do something .. but what to do
I lost € 5,600 too much for me, I think all the time and it eats my life

**issey76** · 08-18-10, 10:29 AM

News!!!!!

I not use /luck/ the "show me the money" option!!!

1 hour ago i received all my money from security@moneybookers.com

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**Hareeba!** · 08-18-10, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by issey76

News!!!!!

I not use /luck/ the "show me the money" option!!!

1 hour ago i received all my money from security@moneybookers.com

terrific news!
were those withdrawals you had requested before the scam or the balance of your account with BS?

**pjesnik24** · 08-18-10, 11:16 AM

great news. I hope others will get their money back as well!

**AimingHigh** · 08-18-10, 12:15 PM

Wow! At least someone got paid.

Hareeba's question is an important one, though, to determine the likelihood of those subject to the scam getting paid. If you submitted the request before the scam button appeared, issey76, when exactly? Also, were you pursuing Moneybookers for the funds (ie. how come they knew to pay you)? - did you have a VIP representative helping you? I've heard that's an informal VIP benefit, though I've never seen definitive proof of it.

**Robin2805** · 08-18-10, 07:43 PM

Hey guys,

Great news that at least someone got money back.
Unfortunately I also had money at Bestake. I didn't press the scam button, so the money was still in my account before the site went down. I deposited with Neteller, not Moneybookers.
Does anybody know if Neteller will do the same as moneybookers and give (at least a part of) the money back? Can SBR help is by putting pressure on Neteller or something?

**LordVodka** · 08-18-10, 07:47 PM

How come I can't view images on this site?

That pic looks tiny.

The same thing happens to me when I post a pic. It will be big and then 10 minutes later SBR automatically reconfigures it and makes it tiny.

**berbbi** · 08-19-10, 12:27 AM

is there any chance we can get the money?
I am pressed "show me the money" and lost 8000evro

**lukahh** · 08-19-10, 05:15 AM

great to hear someone got paid!
so the payer was security@mb, not bestake? was there any explanation for this?

**tommygun** · 08-20-10, 10:58 AM

its a fake

**vukovi21** · 08-20-10, 11:04 AM

no its not fake...friend of mine also got 2500...so dont be a hater...just stay positive

**fredkiller** · 08-20-10, 12:16 PM

hello

I contacted my neteller and they will not pay! I find it shameful to do that! they have insurance that covers this normal .. I was robbed of 5600 € and frankly I will do everything to recover.
wish us know here we do not know that there is a solution

**bdemeter1** · 08-20-10, 02:57 PM

For me this responded Moneybookers , with what for me it Issey76 my friend and I know that the money was paid to them. What idiotic they are here.

Moneybookers:

Dear Balint,

Our stance on Bestake is such that we are no longer supporting Bestake and all remaining pay outs are made upon customers' requests. If you feel that you are owed money by Bestake you need to contact them directly.

Having said that we indeed paid out the funds to the customers who came forward and presented the proof that bestake confirmed the payout via e-mail. The Bestake presented us with the list of clients, then we were able to pay.
Please address the issue to bestake.

Regards,
Alena Novik
VIP Account Manager

**cskamoska** · 08-20-10, 05:24 PM

Sorry for the horrible English. Today I asked moneybookers how to get my money stolen from bestake (E 986.00).
Their response was as follows: "we can not do anything for his money, ask the police" ". How did issey76 to have his money? And a fake? Bye.... from Italy

**tommygun** · 08-20-10, 10:11 PM

How are some people getting their money but others arent, doesnt make sense?

**Hareeba!** · 08-20-10, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by tommygun

How are some people getting their money but others arent, doesnt make sense?

I can only guess that those who have been paid via Moneybookers had made withdrawal requests which Bestake had processed before they pulled the scam and there was cash available in Bestake's account at Moneybookers to pay them. It would be good to hear more from issey76 as to whether that is the case.

I'd still imagine it's a remote chance only that those who were scammed or hadn't made withdrawal requests prior to that will ever get paid.

**kkkkk** · 08-21-10, 06:42 AM

its a big surprise that Bestake has left money in MB, i didnt expect that.

**issey76** · 08-21-10, 11:47 AM

Dear ALL!!!

I think, I get my all money, because I NOT USE "SHOW ME THE MONEY"!!!!!

IT'S NOT A FAKE!!!

IF YOU LOOK, BDEMETER1 /WHO MY FRIEND/ HERE IN SBR, AND ME ON FACEBOOK, HELP TO EVERYBODY!!!!

AND I'M A VIP CUSTOMER OF MONEYBOOKERS.

**fredkiller** · 08-21-10, 02:11 PM

well, here I received another mail from neteller, they will not refund on this one!! it is shameful for moneybookers and they do not repay! no protection of customers.
I am disgusted by neteller, I'll never trust them

Farewell our money!!

**Hareeba!** · 08-21-10, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by fredkiller

well, here I received another mail from neteller, they will not refund on this one!! it is shameful for moneybookers and they do not repay! no protection of customers.
I am disgusted by neteller, I'll never trust them

Farewell our money!!

Stupid!

How can you seriously hold MB and NT responsible for the actions of all the businesses they transfer money to/from?

They have no ability to go and recover money from scam businesses. The best they can do is legally and fairly appropriate any funds they hold on account of such businesses. It would appear that may be what MB has done in this case.

**cskamoska** · 08-21-10, 05:54 PM

So why MB does not return to me the money I stole bestake?

**noyb** · 08-21-10, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by fredkiller

they will not refund on this one!! it is shameful for moneybookers and they do not repay

whose money should they use to repay everyone exactly? do you really think the money in the moneybookers account is sufficient to pay for all outstanding debts? or are you suggesting moneybooker and neteller should refund you out of their own pockets because you were to greedy to see the site was an obvious scam from the start?

i'm very surprised moneybookers apparently refunded anyone at all. it's strange business practice and not very consistent. either way, that/those person(s) are extremely (EXTREMELY!!) lucky. the rest obviously won't be.

**Hareeba!** · 08-21-10, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by cskamoska

So why MB does not return to me the money I stole bestake?

I presume you mean the money Bestake stole from you rather than you stole from Bestake?

Quite simple, MB don't have your money so can't return it to you ... the crooks most probably took it all.

**cedrig1** · 08-25-10, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by bdemeter1

For me this responded Moneybookers , with what for me it Issey76 my friend and I know that the money was paid to them. What idiotic they are here.

Moneybookers:

Dear Balint,

Our stance on Bestake is such that we are no longer supporting Bestake and all remaining pay outs are made upon customers' requests. If you feel that you are owed money by Bestake you need to contact them directly.

Having said that we indeed paid out the funds to the customers who came forward and presented the proof that bestake confirmed the payout via e-mail. The Bestake presented us with the list of clients, then we were able to pay.
Please address the issue to bestake.

Regards,
Alena Novik
VIP Account Manager

Originally posted by bdemeter1

Please address the issue to bestake. Regards, Alena Novik VIP Account Manager

We can't contact bestake. The mail csd or administration are not deliver...

**Hareeba!** · 08-25-10, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by cedrig1

We can't contact bestake. The mail csd or administration are not deliver...

so exactly what do you expect Moneybookers to do now?

it would seem that the scamsters have scarpered and nobody can contact them

**tachi** · 08-25-10, 01:36 AM

after the pointbet fiasco Moneybookers paid some people with the few remaining funds.

Glad to see they did this again.

But this is la finale.

dk · 09-06-10, 04:13 PM

only players who didnt press the "show me the money" button got paid by moneybookers but only them. i got 9000 but i had 13000 in my account at bestake.

**twermert** · 09-10-10, 05:12 AM

Is anyone here involved in any further action ? Lost a good sum and just want to do something, even if its only for justice taken place.

**jimbo747** · 09-10-10, 06:06 AM

Hire a hitman imo. Won't get your cash back, but may make you feel a little better. Big Tim who drinks at my local would do it for a bag of pork scratchings and a ribena.

**cedrig1** · 09-27-10, 04:44 AM

no try of conflict?

**don81** · 10-02-10, 09:02 AM

hello, i am new here and i am looking your posts since the bestake put a finger in our ass.....i lost a lot of money and i am a vip on MB and i didnt press the button show me the money. If someone got their money back i dont know how is this possible, because i tried everything and i didnt get anything!! its really good to here this that some of the people get their money back....so if there is someone to give me a little help how to get at least some money back please msg me!

**tommygun** · 10-18-10, 09:43 AM

this was an interesting thread, anyone else get their money, or any updates?

**artena** · 01-05-11, 11:38 AM

Thanks for the article ! Yeah the exchanges provide the best odds, but the commission is really high. Moreover, you need at least another bettor to bet with you, in some markets, I could not find any guys out to bet with. That's why bookmakers still alive

Originally posted by bearhead

A person by the name of Tom Walsh appears in many press releases relating to Bestake.

Here is an article by the same guy that is interesting. Seems to be well known in the industry. Will dig some more. Some of what he writes might make you sick!

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**Hareeba!** · 01-05-11, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by artena

Thanks for the article ! Yeah the exchanges provide the best odds, but the commission is really high. Moreover, you need at least another bettor to bet with you, in some markets, I could not find any guys out to bet with. That's why bookmakers still alive

commission is really high?
compared with what?

The very highest I'm aware of is 5% at Betfair before any discounts (which most regulars would enjoy)

Matchbook charges 1% to both players so on a evens bet effectively 2%

Pinnacle's is renowned as the lowest juice book and their best lines are 10 cents I think?
That equates to 4.5+%

P.S.
leaving aside Betfair's horrendous premium charge which is applied to only a small percentage of successful players