All Youwager and Betpop Issues

[Optional]

Wow, surprised by the final result. I'll reserve judgement for now, as I imagine more facts must be coming? It's just strange, this investigation goes on for a month or whatever, and that short message above is all SBR posts? Where are the details? Right now there are still a lot of unanswered questions about how Youwager handled this.

I'm surprised still too Everynight.

At least a couple of these guys sound and act very much like genuine innocent bystanders in this thread, and in PMs.

Considering the lengths we went to trying to get the facts, SBR obviously believed there was merit in their cases too.

Reading between the lines, it looks like Youwager were very sure this was one person scamming their own syndicate, and the data evidence was not enough to mount an argument against that in the end.

[EveryNight]

I'd be surprised if they plan to confiscate anything from you guys.

In fact I think you can be almost certain they won't.


I think I would take the account suspensions as a positive development right now. Something is happening about this in there.

Wow, surprised by the final result. I'll reserve judgement for now, as I imagine more facts must be coming? It's just strange, this investigation goes on for a month or whatever, and that short message above is all SBR posts? Where are the details? Right now there are still a lot of unanswered questions about how Youwager handled this.

[infotimbo]

puh, so they are basically saying everything stated in this thread (by numerous members) is made up, and all those people are part of one betting sydicate. I hope they were able to show hard evidence for that...

[SBR Forum]

YouWager has credited $55,184 to four players whose accounts were under review after it was determined that the players were sharing plays. The bets were all accepted though and will be honored as normal.

Regarding the transfers players disputed receiving via bitcoin, a thorough investigation showed that the bitcoin payments were processed to the addresses entered by each player. It is worth noting that YouWager's data aligned with the possibility that one of the players, an individual facing charges for prior alleged fraudulent activity in the gaming industry, had been a potential 'ringleader' so to speak of these accounts, and may have turned on the other players. This theory is partially supported by two of the players having bitcoin processed to a common wallet controlled by one individual. We really cannot expand without 'doxing' the player and so it is as much as we can add on that; suffice to say, wagers that were accepted will be paid.

We are confident that YouWager takes account security very seriously. They have made improvements to the bitcoin payout procedure that remove the possibility for a player whose emails were compromised to authenticate a bitcoin withdrawal.

[InsiderHer]

P 2 P has banned me online although i have not tried in over a year and do not have time to keep running out to do that. BC i tried way back but it takes forever to get from my bank into there and the instant amount is not enough to even bother. I used to do P 2 P mainly but since it got blocked online CC is pretty much the easiest way for me to do it.

After the initual set up, don't buy with your bank account, use your credit or debit card, super fast and you'll eliminate any issues with time. Not sure what exchange you're using that has massive limits, but coinbase and coinmama is way over anything you can send P2P, even back in the day.

[captrobey]

At some point this year CC will be gone from all books. Better start adapting.

P 2 P has banned me online although i have not tried in over a year and do not have time to keep running out to do that. BC i tried way back but it takes forever to get from my bank into there and the instant amount is not enough to even bother. I used to do P 2 P mainly but since it got blocked online CC is pretty much the easiest way for me to do it.

[BetJesus]

About a couple weeks ago they did away with the main way i deposit CC or the Gift card thing. All the other ways i cannot really do or just take too long. I do not know if they did this to everyone but unless it comes back i will probably not be depositing there as it is way easier to do at most other books. That does kind of worry me why they stopped it. And have they done this to everyone?

At some point this year CC will be gone from all books. Better start adapting.

[captrobey]

About a couple weeks ago they did away with the main way i deposit CC or the Gift card thing. All the other ways i cannot really do or just take too long. I do not know if they did this to everyone but unless it comes back i will probably not be depositing there as it is way easier to do at most other books. That does kind of worry me why they stopped it. And have they done this to everyone?

[ywpain]

This situation seems to have affected way more people than initially thought.

In this thread there are 6 people I believe that all have missing btc payouts, and some with confiscated funds.

And then I received a private message from someone who also is in the same situation with a serious amount of money that went missing to the wrong btc addess.

I think a lot of posters are scared to post on here, because like what happned to me, I started complaining about the missing payouts, and then they decided to make matters worse and then stop making any more payouts without any reason to me.

[evaworcim]

Hi Optional,

I sent an email asking for an update on my situation a week ago and it has been almost a month since I filled a complaint. I understand this takes some time but can you PM me with an update as well on my $50,192 balance.

[Optional]

I PMed you Ywpain.

[stake1]

Any update on this?

[ywpain]

Hi Optional,

I was wondering if there has been any updates, good or bad, from your teams conversations with youwager, in regards to the missing payouts and the confiscation of funds.

Even if you can't disclose them now, is the investigation still going on? and is there any timeframe on when you will make a final decision or provide information.

Thanks

[holzhaur]

Update: After several missteps with customer service, I received my first *************** payout today, for 15k. They initially cancelled the payout without providing a reason, so I had to call in to determine that I needed to complete KYC. Then two employees told me that this method is not a wire even though it is, so it was cancelled again--without informing me--since I need to provide different bank information for a wire. The third submission finally did the trick, though when they said they'd send it "tomorrow", that really meant "in a week".

The process took two weeks and they held an additional $37 in fees on top of the $90 that the website claims, but at this point I'm happy to be getting paid at all.

[ywpain]

Yes, as it stands they are confiscating my last two payouts. After they sent eight payouts to the wrong address, I canceled and re-requested the payouts for the remainder of my balance. They sent the first three, and have not yet sent the final two, even though they should have been sent in November.

Still holding out hope that SBR are going to fix this.

It's an absolute disgrace that they confiscated funds, with no reason or explanation.

The messed up thing is that if we didn't complain about the missing payouts, they would of paid the final balance. But because we all rightly brought SBR into this, and made them aware that they were sending the payouts incorrectly, now we have been punished further, and in my opinion, completely stealing money from customers.

[deck5]

I'm still waiting on any response from youwager, as to what reason they have for justification about not paying me my final $2k in my account, and saying it's confiscated.

Disregarding all the missing payouts, they haven't provided any information, or anything to me at all, and won't respond to my polite requests on any information.

Deck5 did they confiscate your remaining payouts as well? or have they paid you anything since the investigation into the missing payouts has started?

Yes, as it stands they are confiscating my last two payouts. After they sent eight payouts to the wrong address, I canceled and re-requested the payouts for the remainder of my balance. They sent the first three, and have not yet sent the final two, even though they should have been sent in November.

Still holding out hope that SBR are going to fix this.

[baseballstud]

Curious how these turn out

[ywpain]

I'm still waiting on any response from youwager, as to what reason they have for justification about not paying me my final $2k in my account, and saying it's confiscated.

Disregarding all the missing payouts, they haven't provided any information, or anything to me at all, and won't respond to my polite requests on any information.

Deck5 did they confiscate your remaining payouts as well? or have they paid you anything since the investigation into the missing payouts has started?

[fossilman]

I did receive an email from SBR on November 15, when I submitted the complaint, saying that they would discuss it with Youwager management. I have responded to that email a couple times. But since then, I have not heard anything. I just emailed again.

[Optional]

I haven't heard from anyone, and Youwager hasn't paid me.

You have not heard back from a dispute agent at all?

Please reply to the confirmation email you should have received after submitting and ask for an update to make sure your account problem is being addressed too.

[fossilman]

I haven't heard from anyone, and Youwager hasn't paid me.

[ywpain]

*UPDATE*

Via SBR's help, Youwager has now credited my account with the remaining $18,000 that was allegedly paid to incorrect BTC addresses. Still holding my breath until the direct deposits hit my bank. (I don't trust the BTC process there for obvious reasons.)

I have unanswered questions about what's going on at YW, but I'm quite pleased with how SBR handled this for me.

That's great news, i'm truly happy that things got fixed on your account, especially as it was such a large amount. I was wondering if there has been any update to "deck5" and "fossilman's" accounts?

I haven't heard anything yet about mine yet. I'm not complaining, I'm happy to wait it out and get the proper resolution, i'm completely confident, they won't find any link or any wrong doing from my side.

I'm just very upset that their action for investigating the missing payouts that I alerted to them about, has meant that they have confiscated an additional 2K in funds from my account, but hopefully this all gets resolved.

[joey sangria]

A question......were all the Bitcoins transfer's sent to the same address. If so, that's your mistake #1.

In November I requested three $2000 Bitcoin withdrawals, 3 days in a row- $6K total- and got them all no problem. With Bitcoin losing 80% of it's value from it's high of around $16K, expect this crap to become the norm. Sportsbooks who rely heavily on Bitcoin are in a much weaker financial position now.

[holzhaur]

*UPDATE*

Via SBR's help, Youwager has now credited my account with the remaining $18,000 that was allegedly paid to incorrect BTC addresses. Still holding my breath until the direct deposits hit my bank. (I don't trust the BTC process there for obvious reasons.)

I have unanswered questions about what's going on at YW, but I'm quite pleased with how SBR handled this for me.

[milwaukee mike]

but what is really weird is that they are gonna close an account for winning 8k (when i was down lifetime), when their nfl limits are 10k?

so theoretically you win 1 bet on an nfl side and they close your account?

[milwaukee mike]

How did u win 8k live betting with 100 limits lol
Nice run
Yeah they give me no perks but haven't banned me yet

for nba they had me at limits of 500 and you can hit it twice (usually, sometimes it randomly says that you've reached the max for that event)... but college basketball/college football i was only at 100

had the bulls and brooklyn at an average of +400 or so each

[firedawg]

as in account closed after 10+ years

never bet a bad line or chased steam, won about 8k live betting last friday night and that was enough to get my account closed

you would think sportsbooks would like guys that max bet into lines with crazy juice like -1200/+550

How did u win 8k live betting with 100 limits lol
Nice run
Yeah they give me no perks but haven't banned me yet

[milwaukee mike]

Banned?
As in limited or shown the door?

as in account closed after 10+ years

never bet a bad line or chased steam, won about 8k live betting last friday night and that was enough to get my account closed

you would think sportsbooks would like guys that max bet into lines with crazy juice like -1200/+550

[firedawg]

Banned?
As in limited or shown the door?

[milwaukee mike]

Just to make it clear from my side, I only made bets for myself. They were all my own selections, although I use donbest odds service so can look for what prices are available and pick the best price.

I always logged in using my home computer, and using my real IP address from the same computer. I do not know anyone else who has a yowuager account, currently or in the past.

I do not know these other posters on this forum or thread, it's just the original story was my same situation, so I wanted to share and try and get help.

thanks for the info

still wondering about the others... best of luck to you guys in getting paid... sorry if my posts have seemed a bit confrontational, we just see so many liars on the forum like the other poster who totally made up a story about being stiffed 23k from youwager.

personally i have recently been banned at youwager after having a good week, which is weird, i had won and lost pretty big money there before without a hitch. been paid off most of my balance, i should get the rest next week (3 w/d per week)

[Optional]

Have to applaud your patience ywpain.

[ywpain]

were the bets from the other books all made for the same individual as the bets at youwager? were these all your own bets, or were they for someone else?

just wondering because there are a small number of people that play at multiple books and make 25k withdrawals... and also because one of the other posters bashing youwager recently was making stuff up (not saying that is the case here)

Just to make it clear from my side, I only made bets for myself. They were all my own selections, although I use donbest odds service so can look for what prices are available and pick the best price.

I always logged in using my home computer, and using my real IP address from the same computer. I do not know anyone else who has a yowuager account, currently or in the past.

I do not know these other posters on this forum or thread, it's just the original story was my same situation, so I wanted to share and try and get help.

[milwaukee mike]

Thank you for the update SBR Forum. Like ywpain I have never used a VPN when betting on Betpop. It's just crazy that they are now claiming that one person from some sort of group "has turned" on the others. If Youwager's theory was the case, then why aren't any of us victims complaining about funds being stolen from any other accounts on any other books? In the same time that I was withdrawing from Betpop, I have also withdrawn from other books, both before and after. These other withdrawals were for more than $1k, and some withdrawals were even for $25k. If there was some security issue from my side of this, why didn't this mystery person steal one of those $25k withdrawals? Why would he bother with measly $1k withdrawals? And how did this mystery guy convince Youwager to send more withdrawals than their weekly limit, to multiple accounts?Clearly the person(s) doing this were sloppy in their stealing, as they forgot to change my e-mail back when they changed it on the account (which I found out when Maggie and I were canceling my remaining withdrawals after discovering the theft and requesting new withdrawals, and which Maggie quickly changed but not before I grabbed a screenshot). That same sloppiness resulted in them requesting my withdrawals to the same address they requested ywpain's stolen money to, which Youwager is now trying to claim that he and I made similar bets (which I have no way of verifying but also don't care what bets he made--if they have the best line I imagine a lot of people successfully bet it). So they're trying to fabricate some bogus link between me and him because we were victims of the same Youwager theft?

were the bets from the other books all made for the same individual as the bets at youwager? were these all your own bets, or were they for someone else?

just wondering because there are a small number of people that play at multiple books and make 25k withdrawals... and also because one of the other posters bashing youwager recently was making stuff up (not saying that is the case here)

[JoeCool20]

SBR told me today that with their assistance, Youwager has credited my account with $14,900 of the $32,900 I am owed. (I am still locked out of my account, so I cannot confirm this at the moment.)

I appreciate the help from SBR, but I still don't understand why YW is only returning a portion of the funds. Will update again when I have more information.

This is "half great" because they might pay you half your money!!

But will somebody please answer this:

Are they even trying to find out who the person is that entered 3 (or more) of you people's accounts and got multiple BTC payouts to the same BT-C address?
Are they going to give you 3 people your money back or is this person going to get your money from all those BT-c payouts?

[holzhaur]

SBR told me today that with their assistance, Youwager has credited my account with $14,900 of the $32,900 I am owed. (I am still locked out of my account, so I cannot confirm this at the moment.)

I appreciate the help from SBR, but I still don't understand why YW is only returning a portion of the funds. Will update again when I have more information.