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[getaloadoffatso]

Do I?

I think you just got so badly owned by The Don agreeing with me that you lost your mind and completely made up something out of nowhere that is opposite of reality.

Much like Trump does.

But he is good at it and you just look very lame trying it here.


I guess it did help you avoid the actual subject though. That there is plenty of evidence the vaccine saved lives and not killing people. Whilst you make posts mocking people for taking their "9th booster" like you think you are a MENSA candidate and the rest of us are all dumbos. LOL

What are you talking about???
Do you even respond to any of the posts you quote???

You talk about "evidence" over and over that has been completely debunked by scientists who are not proven liars and not proven to have a financial incentive to lie

You believe proven propaganda

You keep talking about Trump and how I worship him

I told you he is a moron and you can't show one post of mine praising him

You then use his latest vaccine statement as proof that you are right, after calling him an habitual liar before that

I'm embarrassed for you

[Optional]

LOL
Find one post where I praise Trump
I have said he is crazy, yet still better than Biden and they both are liars,
He is undoubtedly being singled out by a corrupt administration

You call a person a habitual liar one day, then the beacon of credibility the next day if they say something you like

I'm 100% consistent, while you are all over the map

Keep trying

Do I?

I think you just got so badly owned by The Don agreeing with me that you lost your mind and completely made up something out of nowhere that is opposite of reality.

Much like Trump does.

But he is good at it and you just look very lame trying it here.


I guess it did help you avoid the actual subject though. That there is plenty of evidence the vaccine saved lives and not killing people. Whilst you make posts mocking people for taking their "9th booster" like you think you are a MENSA candidate and the rest of us are all dumbos. LOL

[Hareeba!]

This thread is just the perfect response to all those science, climate and vaccine denialists who like to spout their ignorance in forums such as this.



One of the best things I ever did to educate myself was learn about the mechanics of climate change denial.

Time and again, it’s helped me navigate science issues where the media can’t cope & where tribal instincts don’t help. Vaccines, radiation, COVID, trans issues.

Often people say“critical thinking” is key, as if someone without years of scientific training could easily navigate often tough scientific questions so long as they “question everything”.

But there is a reason why “question everything” is the slogan of conspiracy theorist.

You can’t question everything all the time. You’d cognitively fall apart. You wouldn’t get out of bed.

Instead, “question everything” is simply a formula for rejecting evidence you don’t like. “Question everything” conspiracy theorists are notoriously immune to evidence.

Instead, in difficult scientific disputes, ask - who to trust?

That sounds tough.

Except.

Except when scientific disputes become political, it’s highly unlikely it’s a genuine split among experts.

Typically, there are financial and ideological bad faith players.

What these bad faith players do is set up a façade of expertise - they astroturf, create grand-sounding institutes, often with names paradoxically opposed to their true goal.


With this façade they aim not to influence science, but instead politics and the media. They’re lobby groups often with lots of money from who knows where.

Some examples:

The Global Warming Policy Foundation is a climate change denying group.


The European Committee on Radiation Risk is a bunch of anti-nuclear cranks chaired by someone who once tried to market useless pills to the “children of Fukushima”.

The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is opposed to gender-affirming medicine.


The Alliance for Defending Freedom campaigns to make abortions, and being gay or transgender, as illegal as possible around the world.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons opposes vaccines and claims abortion causes cancer.

Autism Speaks is a crank organisation that demonises people with autism and promotes fake cures.

America’s Frontline Doctors promoted fake COVID cures like Ivermectin and campaigns against vaccines.

None of these groups fools actual scientists.

But that’s not the point. The point is to fool you, and to influence politics. They simply bypass science. Their attempts at doing genuine peer-reviewed science (for PR) are typically sparse and bad.


They get help from the media: because these disputes are often tribal, right wing or left wing media are VERY happy to have an “expert” from a plausible-sounding organisation to back their narrative.

Yes, it’s mainly right wing media, but it happens on the left too.


Politicians too love to have “experts” to cover their ideological goals. That’s why there is, for example, a toxic triangle of dark-funded think tanks (eg the several housed together at 55 Tufton St), RW media, and the UK govt. Politicians can claim they have “consulted”.


And this is where the “critical thinking” approach that says “look at the evidence and decide for your inexpert self” has problems.

What if one “half” of the debate is not there in good faith?

How does “listening to both sides” work then?

Because it’s not a fair fight.

One side is trying to explain often complex scientific issues, with the risk that every simplification contains an error of omission that can be used in bad faith to undermine their credibility.

The other side is selling you a story.


For example: “The COVID vaccine will protect you”.

This is true, but it was contradicted by anti-vaxxers saying “it doesn’t stop the virus 100%. Then experts with little media training stutter out complex qualifications.

So they get to present the mainstream as liars.

If you’re telling a story that isn’t restricted by facts, you get to focus on what appeals. And what appeals is a simple enough story that evokes fear, and the idea of a cover-up.

A conspiracy theory.

At which point, you’re already into the rabbit hole.

What makes it a conspiracy theory is unavoidably claiming that vast numbers of experts with years of education and research experience are all in on the lie.

So what to do?

How do you avoid this happening?

Are there no real scientific disputes?

Before you listen to anyone, check their credentials. Are they
1. employed by a university or respectable scientific institute.
2. qualified and longtime researching in the appropriate area
3. with no story of bad practice or scandal attached to their name

How?

1. sniff out the fake institutes. Check their funding, their support for other dodgy causes, their reception by experts. As Naomi Oreskes noted in her book on GW denialism, it’s often the same bad faith actors in dispute after dispute. eg tobacco, climate change, (& COVID)

1. Be wary of people qualified in one area playing expert in another, no matter their status. Several professional climate change denialists had PhDs - but not in climate science. A physicist or evolutionary biologist has no expertise in trans health. Sorry, Prof Dawkins.

3. Finally, check for cranks. Patrick Minford is an economics professor. But he’s a crank dismissed by everyone except Brexiteers.

Check the journals they publish in are genuine quality and not predatory etc.

Check they’ve never had malpractice issues. Etc.

Do all that, and you’re left with people to listen to.

It’s highly likely that you’re left largely with only one side of the debate still standing.

Getting into the scientific details is good for rebuttals and tackling disinformation.

But you have to be informed first.

Climate change, radiation & health, vaccines, COVID, trans health. The same pattern.

Often the same professional networks of lobbyists.

And no, political tribal instincts will not help you. The difference between left and right is merely that the right has more money.

There are, of course, genuine scientific disputes between qualified experts.

But here’s the thing: they’ll be at a level beyond your formal education.

They’ll be difficult, and require a LOT of reading just to understand where both sides agree.

So a final rule of thumb:

If you find yourself believing vast swathes of experts around the world have been hoodwinked by something simple enough for you as a layperson to understand - you very likely already have at least one foot down the rabbit hole.

Stay safe.

[getaloadoffatso]

Someone should inform Joe and Jill about the diseases they are spreading.



CDC sends response team to Chicago migrant shelter amid measles outbreak

No lockdowns or masks for the illegals
Democrats work more for them than actual US citizens

[slewfan]

Someone should inform Joe and Jill about the diseases they are spreading.



CDC sends response team to Chicago migrant shelter amid measles outbreak

[Hareeba!]

[19th Hole]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Dr. Fauci got the call on the corner from Angel Hernandez ��<a href="https://t.co/f0m9RNZn4g">pic.twitter.com/f0m9RNZn4g</a></p>&mdash; Baseball’s Greatest Moments (@BBGreatMoments) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBGreatMoments/status/1764078233321140353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[getaloadoffatso]

Looks like The Donald agrees with me that the vaccine has proven to be helpful and not a conspiracy to cull the population.


I wonder if this thread dies now that the maga messiah says you are wrong too?

LOL
Find one post where I praise Trump
I have said he is crazy, yet still better than Biden and they both are liars,
He is undoubtedly being singled out by a corrupt administration

You call a person a habitual liar one day, then the beacon of credibility the next day if they say something you like

I'm 100% consistent, while you are all over the map

Keep trying

[Hareeba!]

The MAGAts on Truth Social turned on TFG after he posted that

[Optional]

Every stat you quote in this post false

Looks like The Donald agrees with me that the vaccine has proven to be helpful and not a conspiracy to cull the population.


I wonder if this thread dies now that the maga messiah says you are wrong too?

[b1slickguy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The CDC &quot;released&quot; a 148 page study on myocarditis after COVID-19 &quot;vaccination&quot; and every single page is completely redacted. This must be a new record. <a href="https://t.co/kIE2s7Wl2z">https://t.co/kIE2s7Wl2z</a> <a href="https://t.co/M6xDbRYMZx">pic.twitter.com/M6xDbRYMZx</a></p>&mdash; Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) <a href="https://twitter.com/HansMahncke/status/1765852724606726557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[getaloadoffatso]

Does it give you any pause to wonder if you are correct when you look at two countries like Australia and Sweden with 97%+ vaccination rates and both low death rates from covid? And no official reports of large numbers of vaccine deaths? And where one had lockdowns and restrictions and the other did not... (IE: the vaccine is the only common factor in their responses)

And then look at countries with the lowest vaccine takeup rate like USA, India, Russia and Brazil and seeing them being at the top of the death rate lists?


I don't see any evidence of mass deaths from the vaccine in Australia, or news of mass deaths in Sweden from "9 boosters", or any amount of vaccine.

Seriously, does that make you stop and wonder at all if you have been misled about vaccines being a death sentence for people?

Every stat you quote in this post false

[Optional]

LOL
You quote proven liars

Which quote in particular are you talking about?

[getaloadoffatso]

No I did not realize that. In fact I think you are wrong about that.

But it's beside the point.

The point was meant to show that that no matter how clear the evidence is, some people will not even pause to CONSIDER that they may be the ones who have been misled.

I am open to your ideas that we have been lied to, but after four years the evidence is stacking up high the other way.



Have you got a theory about why such disparate countries as Sweden, Australia, Italy, Japan, Vietnam, UK etc etc etc are all lying about everything still?

Are you thinking they are doing this to elect Biden or something???

Govts have changed color in many of those countries, yet the other side of politics doesn't expose the lies of their opponents you are thinking?

National medical bodies are advocating for people to take their "9th vaccination" at the risk of life imprisonments when their lies are exposed you are thinking?



You sound ridiculous to me. But if you can come up with one piece of credible evidence to support your claim that vaccines are designed to kill us and do not help us, I'd look at it and reconsider.

Do you think you can ever do that?

LOL
You quote proven liars, using proven false statistics, and you want me to come up with credible evidence

That's hilarious

Do you think you are capable of doing any fact checking yourself by searching for the truth, instead of regurgitating the same lies over and over again???

It's out there if you really want to find it
You're so brainwashed that you think the pull of money and corruption from pharmaceutical companies is limited to the United States

Once again, how many lies before you look for the truth???

[Optional]

You do realize that every "statistic" you quote here is coming from entities that have already been proven liars and are completely corrupted by money???

Impartial studies don't show those things to be true

How many lies can people tell you before you stop believing them???

No I did not realize that. In fact I think you are wrong about that.

But it's beside the point.

The point was meant to show that that no matter how clear the evidence is, some people will not even pause to CONSIDER that they may be the ones who have been misled.

I am open to your ideas that we have been lied to, but after four years the evidence is stacking up high the other way.



Have you got a theory about why such disparate countries as Sweden, Australia, Italy, Japan, Vietnam, UK etc etc etc are all lying about everything still?

Are you thinking they are doing this to elect Biden or something???

Govts have changed color in many of those countries, yet the other side of politics doesn't expose the lies of their opponents you are thinking?

National medical bodies are advocating for people to take their "9th vaccination" at the risk of life imprisonments when their lies are exposed you are thinking?



You sound ridiculous to me. But if you can come up with one piece of credible evidence to support your claim that vaccines are designed to kill us and do not help us, I'd look at it and reconsider.

Do you think you can ever do that?

[DwightShrute]

[getaloadoffatso]

Does it give you any pause to wonder if you are correct when you look at two countries like Australia and Sweden with 97%+ vaccination rates and both low death rates from covid? And no official reports of large numbers of vaccine deaths? And where one had lockdowns and restrictions and the other did not... (IE: the vaccine is the only common factor in their responses)

And then look at countries with the lowest vaccine takeup rate like USA, India, Russia and Brazil and seeing them being at the top of the death rate lists?


I don't see any evidence of mass deaths from the vaccine in Australia, or news of mass deaths in Sweden from "9 boosters", or any amount of vaccine.

Seriously, does that make you stop and wonder at all if you have been misled about vaccines being a death sentence for people?

You do realize that every "statistic" you quote here is coming from entities that have already been proven liars and are completely corrupted by money???

Impartial studies don't show those things to be true

How many lies can people tell you before you stop believing them???

[BOA12]

Does it give you any pause to wonder if you are correct when you look at two countries like Australia and Sweden with 97%+ vaccination rates and both low death rates from covid? And no official reports of large numbers of vaccine deaths? And where one had lockdowns and restrictions and the other did not... (IE: the vaccine is the only common factor in their responses)

And then look at countries with the lowest vaccine takeup rate like USA, India, Russia and Brazil and seeing them being at the top of the death rate lists?


I don't see any evidence of mass deaths from the vaccine in Australia, or news of mass deaths in Sweden from "9 boosters", or any amount of vaccine.

Seriously, does that make you stop and wonder at all if you have been misled about vaccines being a death sentence for people?

If I was a betting man, I'd say "no" about mr hole.

[Optional]

The Covid sheep are now on their 9th booster.

Does it give you any pause to wonder if you are correct when you look at two countries like Australia and Sweden with 97%+ vaccination rates and both low death rates from covid? And no official reports of large numbers of vaccine deaths? And where one had lockdowns and restrictions and the other did not... (IE: the vaccine is the only common factor in their responses)

And then look at countries with the lowest vaccine takeup rate like USA, India, Russia and Brazil and seeing them being at the top of the death rate lists?


I don't see any evidence of mass deaths from the vaccine in Australia, or news of mass deaths in Sweden from "9 boosters", or any amount of vaccine.

Seriously, does that make you stop and wonder at all if you have been misled about vaccines being a death sentence for people?

[19th Hole]

this isn't the Epoch Times. They just made a clip of it. Have you bothered to look up Kevin McKernan to see who he is? Of course you didn't. You don't care. You didn't bother watching the video but rather immediately you looked up Epoch times in an attempt to discredit them in order to deflect away from the actual message.

The mNRA 'vaccine' isn't a Left or Right issue, or at least it shouldn't be, but the far Left who are committed to deception, such as yourself, make it that. That is also for many other things which shouldn't be a Left or Right issue. Men pretending to be women and competing against women is a perfect example of the lunacy of people such as yourself. The border too. The list is a long one unfortunately.

People like you Hareeballs, have stopped thinking and just are useful idiots for the most dishonest and corrupt people imaginable. Now hurry up and get back to CNN and MSNBC because they have the brightest hosts and contributors in the country. They will always tell you the truth. LOL,

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Huge burial for HairieBalls.
He just keeps getting battered.

[19th Hole]

The Covid sheep are now on their 9th booster.

[b1slickguy]

The Science™ has been updated!

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

The Epoch Times is a far-right^[1] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.^[29] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.^[30] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.^[31]
The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,^[32][33][22] platforms far-right politicians in Europe,^[9][11][22] and has supported former President Donald Trump in the U.S.;^[34][35] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign itself.^[30][36][22] The Epoch Times frequently runs stories promoting other Falun Gong-affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun.^[34][24][37] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have promoted conspiracy theories such as QAnon, anti-vaccine misinformation^[41] and false claims of fraud in the 2020 United States presidential election.^[44]

this isn't the Epoch Times. They just made a clip of it. Have you bothered to look up Kevin McKernan to see who he is? Of course you didn't. You don't care. You didn't bother watching the video but rather immediately you looked up Epoch times in an attempt to discredit them in order to deflect away from the actual message.

The mNRA 'vaccine' isn't a Left or Right issue, or at least it shouldn't be, but the far Left who are committed to deception, such as yourself, make it that. That is also for many other things which shouldn't be a Left or Right issue. Men pretending to be women and competing against women is a perfect example of the lunacy of people such as yourself. The border too. The list is a long one unfortunately.

People like you Hareeballs, have stopped thinking and just are useful idiots for the most dishonest and corrupt people imaginable. Now hurry up and get back to CNN and MSNBC because they have the brightest hosts and contributors in the country. They will always tell you the truth. LOL,

[Hareeba!]

More lies from Pfizer and Moderna concerning the DNA found in their mRNA "vaccines."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin McKernan: “Years of censorship: DNA contamination discovered in the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/vGICvNwPZ5">pic.twitter.com/vGICvNwPZ5</a></p>&mdash; The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1762590177015312640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Epoch Times is a far-right^[1] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.^[29] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.^[30] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.^[31]
The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,^[32][33][22] platforms far-right politicians in Europe,^[9][11][22] and has supported former President Donald Trump in the U.S.;^[34][35] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign itself.^[30][36][22] The Epoch Times frequently runs stories promoting other Falun Gong-affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company Shen Yun.^[34][24][37] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have promoted conspiracy theories such as QAnon, anti-vaccine misinformation^[41] and false claims of fraud in the 2020 United States presidential election.^[44]

[Hareeba!]

Mounting research shows that COVID-19 leaves its mark on the brain, including with significant drops in IQ scores

https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216

[b1slickguy]

More lies from Pfizer and Moderna concerning the DNA found in their mRNA "vaccines."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin McKernan: “Years of censorship: DNA contamination discovered in the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.” <a href="https://t.co/vGICvNwPZ5">pic.twitter.com/vGICvNwPZ5</a></p>&mdash; The Epoch Times (@EpochTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1762590177015312640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[19th Hole]

Largest ever COVID-19 study shows vaccines overwhelmingly safe

https://www.themandarin.com.au/240324-largest-ever-covid-19-study-shows-vaccines-overwhelmingly-safe/

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Low IQ HAIRYBALLS thinks the Covid Jab is a vaccine.
Brainwashed Libtard sheep cannot get anything right.

[DwightShrute]

Largest ever COVID-19 study shows vaccines overwhelmingly safe

https://www.themandarin.com.au/240324-largest-ever-covid-19-study-shows-vaccines-overwhelmingly-safe/

“The likelihood of experiencing a neurological event following a COVID-19 infection is markedly higher, up to 617 times, compared to post-vaccination occurrences.

Similarly, the risk of myocarditis is greater after a COVID-19 infection than following vaccination, with statistics indicating a risk of 35.9 cases per 100,000 individuals after the second vaccine dose, compared to 64.9 per 100,000 after contracting COVID-19.

[Hareeba!]

Largest ever COVID-19 study shows vaccines overwhelmingly safe

https://www.themandarin.com.au/240324-largest-ever-covid-19-study-shows-vaccines-overwhelmingly-safe/

“The likelihood of experiencing a neurological event following a COVID-19 infection is markedly higher, up to 617 times, compared to post-vaccination occurrences.

Similarly, the risk of myocarditis is greater after a COVID-19 infection than following vaccination, with statistics indicating a risk of 35.9 cases per 100,000 individuals after the second vaccine dose, compared to 64.9 per 100,000 after contracting COVID-19.

[b1slickguy]

[DwightShrute]

[b1slickguy]

[DwightShrute]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not too late to apologize to your tinfoil hat friends <a href="https://t.co/XZ3YBvGIPa">https://t.co/XZ3YBvGIPa</a></p>&mdash; Mostly Peaceful Memes (@MostlyPeacefull) <a href="https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1760021884559863931?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[brooks85]

so they studied almost 100 million guinea pigs... and guess what?


The covid-19 drug is deadly and ineffective.


Of course, biden wouldn't let USA in the study. Imagine how much worse the data would be...