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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mark Zuckerberg: “WH put pressure on us to censor the lab leak theory.” Nah, couldn’t be. Conspiracy theory!<a href="https://t.co/X2VE08jyS8">https://t.co/X2VE08jyS8</a> <a href="https://t.co/hjEbou9I6A">pic.twitter.com/hjEbou9I6A</a></p>— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1786415781971886525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >May 3, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> -
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never forget what they did to us. <a href="https://t.co/QIuGTyKCVE">pic.twitter.com/QIuGTyKCVE</a></p>— Planet Of Memes (@PlanetOfMemes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PlanetOfMemes/status/1784786462421967132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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"VACCINE" ??
Sad what the sheep will
cheerfully stand in line for.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine my shock <a href="https://t.co/qCaUzw4SsM">https://t.co/qCaUzw4SsM</a></p>— Avi Yemini (@OzraeliAvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1785098833736978593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Woody Harrelson knew exactly what he was doing when he said this on SNL <a href="https://t.co/9OQTfsE7sV">pic.twitter.com/9OQTfsE7sV</a></p>— illuminatibot (@iluminatibot) <a href="https://twitter.com/iluminatibot/status/1783222526476234922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UK Watchdog Fines Pfizer for Misleading the Public on the COVID Vaccines<br><br>Pfizer has come under scrutiny by the UK’s pharmaceutical watchdog, the Prescription Medicines Code of Practice Authority (PMCPA), for breaching the regulatory code five times.<br><br>The accusations stem from… <a href="https://t.co/KepEh4XmR0">pic.twitter.com/KepEh4XmR0</a></p>— The Vigilant Fox �� (@VigilantFox) <a href="https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1779882354120560769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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Covid vaccines not linked to fatal heart problems in young people, CDC finds
The new report debunks widespread misinformation that the mRNA shots were connected to sudden cardiac death in young athletes.
hey, also crime is down all across America.Leave a comment:
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Covid vaccines not linked to fatal heart problems in young people, CDC finds
The new report debunks widespread misinformation that the mRNA shots were connected to sudden cardiac death in young athletes.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before the 2020 election Stephen Colbert was doing skits encouraging people to be skeptical of Big Pharma and its motives.<br><br>After the election he was dancing like a fool while surrounded by people dressed as syringes. <a href="https://t.co/9IXtxKRi7M">pic.twitter.com/9IXtxKRi7M</a></p>— MAZE (@mazemoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1773725067941183839?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“The Science is clear - these vaccines will protect you & those you love from this dangerous & deadly disease”<br><br>Bill Clinton, Barack Obama & George Bush outright lying to you about both the virus & the treatment.<br><br>Imagine what else they’ve lied to you all about……? <a href="https://t.co/gUBLgWfelh">pic.twitter.com/gUBLgWfelh</a></p>— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1773605982586695983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Starting 2021, the FDA mounted a misinformation campaign on ivermectin – an inexpensive, Nobel Prize-winning medication that showed promising signs in the early treatment of COVID-19.<br><br>In 2022, Doctors fought back and filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health… <a href="https://t.co/4zcVWolOJB">pic.twitter.com/4zcVWolOJB</a></p>— O’Keefe Media Group (@OKeefeMedia) <a href="https://twitter.com/OKeefeMedia/status/1772753359964975386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 26, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We tried to warn everyone. Sad. <a href="https://t.co/XzIq95FM4E">https://t.co/XzIq95FM4E</a></p>— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) <a href="https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1772586892275433598?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NBC News’ <a href="https://twitter.com/chucktodd?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chucktod d</a>: Professional unbiased journalist <a href="https://t.co/D21TaHx3o6">pic.twitter.com/D21TaHx3o6</a></p>— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1772406150174007697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bayer Pharmaceuticals President, Stefan Oelrich admits mRNA vaccines are cell and gene therapy and the public would not have agreed to take them if it were not for pandemic coercion.<br><br>They don't even try to hide it!! <a href="https://t.co/GrGBBWtK3t">pic.twitter.com/GrGBBWtK3t</a></p>— SaltyGoat (@SaltyGoat17) <a href="https://twitter.com/SaltyGoat17/status/1772046205968605328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Barack Obama on Vaccines ��<br><br>"We've essentially clinically tested the vaccine on billions of people worldwide" �� <br><br>They say things like this and it totally goes over everyone’s heads. <br><br>People who have been vaccinated don’t understand they were guinea pigs.… <a href="https://t.co/wDfB9r9KCr">pic.twitter.com/wDfB9r9KCr</a></p>— MJTruthUltra (@MJTruthUltra) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJTruthUltra/status/1770266387337945276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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unreal!
OMG!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ep. 81 They’re still claiming the Covid vax is safe and effective. Yet somehow Dr. Pierre Kory treats hundreds of patients who’ve been badly injured by it. Why is no one in the public health establishment paying attention? <a href="https://t.co/IekW4Brhoy">pic.twitter.com/IekW4Brhoy</a></p>— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) <a href="https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1768033041568727391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Exclusive. Alert!! :Former Senior WHO advisor: "Covid was a PCR manufactured fake non pandemic"<br><br>A Top former senior advisor to the World Health Organisation (WHO) states Lockdowns didn't work, masks didn't work and that the pandemic was manufactured and fake..<br><br>In a stunning… <a href="https://t.co/C3LW0W9ONJ">pic.twitter.com/C3LW0W9ONJ</a></p>— Jim Ferguson (@JimFergusonUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1768569837704401377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Exclusive.
Alert!! :Former Senior WHO advisor:
"Covid was a PCR manufactured fake non pandemic"
A Top former senior advisor to the World Health Organisation (WHO) states Lockdowns didn't work, masks didn't work and that the pandemic was manufactured and fake..
In a stunning revelation, Dr. Paul Alexander has torn away the veil, exposing what is now viewed as a colossal deception—a deception that members of our governments not only tolerated but were actively complicit in.
This bombshell disclosure sends shockwaves through the corridors of power, challenging the very foundations of trust and accountability.
If the pandemic was as real and severe as they said this would have caused massive mortality at the height of the pandemic.In fact every country that had high vaccination rates now have massive amounts of Excess Deaths and the governments are attempting a huge coverup by massaging the data and refusing to discuss it.
Vaccinated people are shedding spike proteins which is making the unvaccinated unwell. If in close contact taking Nattokinase with spike support can reduce the effects of spike protein in the body and prevent the effects.
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Ok, again I invite you to point out the specific quote and liar you keep raving on about.
genuinely confused what you mean. I don't think I quoted anyone specific. Only mention of anyone you could possibly mean is where I said "official data".
Anyway, sounds like you already think you know it all and who is lying etc. So my original question about did the Sweden/Australia scenario even give the slightest pause to wonder if you are mistaken is answered.
A simple "No" would have been more than enough words to answer it. ;-)Leave a comment:
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Four years ago, Trump finally declared Covid a state of emergency.
He falsely claimed Google was building a testing website and also falsely claimed he'd made plans for mass testing sites in Walmart parking lots.
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What are you talking about???
Do you even respond to any of the posts you quote???
You talk about "evidence" over and over that has been completely debunked by scientists who are not proven liars and not proven to have a financial incentive to lie
You believe proven propaganda
You keep talking about Trump and how I worship him
I told you he is a moron and you can't show one post of mine praising him
You then use his latest vaccine statement as proof that you are right, after calling him an habitual liar before that
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Do I?
I think you just got so badly owned by The Don agreeing with me that you lost your mind and completely made up something out of nowhere that is opposite of reality.
Much like Trump does.
But he is good at it and you just look very lame trying it here.
I guess it did help you avoid the actual subject though. That there is plenty of evidence the vaccine saved lives and not killing people. Whilst you make posts mocking people for taking their "9th booster" like you think you are a MENSA candidate and the rest of us are all dumbos. LOLLeave a comment:
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This thread is just the perfect response to all those science, climate and vaccine denialists who like to spout their ignorance in forums such as this.
One of the best things I ever did to educate myself was learn about the mechanics of climate change denial.
Time and again, it’s helped me navigate science issues where the media can’t cope & where tribal instincts don’t help. Vaccines, radiation, COVID, trans issues.
Often people say“critical thinking” is key, as if someone without years of scientific training could easily navigate often tough scientific questions so long as they “question everything”.
But there is a reason why “question everything” is the slogan of conspiracy theorist.
You can’t question everything all the time. You’d cognitively fall apart. You wouldn’t get out of bed.
Instead, “question everything” is simply a formula for rejecting evidence you don’t like. “Question everything” conspiracy theorists are notoriously immune to evidence.
Instead, in difficult scientific disputes, ask - who to trust?
That sounds tough.
Except.
Except when scientific disputes become political, it’s highly unlikely it’s a genuine split among experts.
Typically, there are financial and ideological bad faith players.
What these bad faith players do is set up a façade of expertise - they astroturf, create grand-sounding institutes, often with names paradoxically opposed to their true goal.
With this façade they aim not to influence science, but instead politics and the media. They’re lobby groups often with lots of money from who knows where.
Some examples:
The Global Warming Policy Foundation is a climate change denying group.
The European Committee on Radiation Risk is a bunch of anti-nuclear cranks chaired by someone who once tried to market useless pills to the “children of Fukushima”.
The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is opposed to gender-affirming medicine.
The Alliance for Defending Freedom campaigns to make abortions, and being gay or transgender, as illegal as possible around the world.
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons opposes vaccines and claims abortion causes cancer.
Autism Speaks is a crank organisation that demonises people with autism and promotes fake cures.
America’s Frontline Doctors promoted fake COVID cures like Ivermectin and campaigns against vaccines.
None of these groups fools actual scientists.
But that’s not the point. The point is to fool you, and to influence politics. They simply bypass science. Their attempts at doing genuine peer-reviewed science (for PR) are typically sparse and bad.
They get help from the media: because these disputes are often tribal, right wing or left wing media are VERY happy to have an “expert” from a plausible-sounding organisation to back their narrative.
Yes, it’s mainly right wing media, but it happens on the left too.
Politicians too love to have “experts” to cover their ideological goals. That’s why there is, for example, a toxic triangle of dark-funded think tanks (eg the several housed together at 55 Tufton St), RW media, and the UK govt. Politicians can claim they have “consulted”.
And this is where the “critical thinking” approach that says “look at the evidence and decide for your inexpert self” has problems.
What if one “half” of the debate is not there in good faith?
How does “listening to both sides” work then?
Because it’s not a fair fight.
One side is trying to explain often complex scientific issues, with the risk that every simplification contains an error of omission that can be used in bad faith to undermine their credibility.
The other side is selling you a story.
For example: “The COVID vaccine will protect you”.
This is true, but it was contradicted by anti-vaxxers saying “it doesn’t stop the virus 100%. Then experts with little media training stutter out complex qualifications.
So they get to present the mainstream as liars.
If you’re telling a story that isn’t restricted by facts, you get to focus on what appeals. And what appeals is a simple enough story that evokes fear, and the idea of a cover-up.
A conspiracy theory.
At which point, you’re already into the rabbit hole.
What makes it a conspiracy theory is unavoidably claiming that vast numbers of experts with years of education and research experience are all in on the lie.
So what to do?
How do you avoid this happening?
Are there no real scientific disputes?
Before you listen to anyone, check their credentials. Are they
1. employed by a university or respectable scientific institute.
2. qualified and longtime researching in the appropriate area
3. with no story of bad practice or scandal attached to their name
How?
- sniff out the fake institutes. Check their funding, their support for other dodgy causes, their reception by experts. As Naomi Oreskes noted in her book on GW denialism, it’s often the same bad faith actors in dispute after dispute. eg tobacco, climate change, (& COVID)
- Be wary of people qualified in one area playing expert in another, no matter their status. Several professional climate change denialists had PhDs - but not in climate science. A physicist or evolutionary biologist has no expertise in trans health. Sorry, Prof Dawkins.
3. Finally, check for cranks. Patrick Minford is an economics professor. But he’s a crank dismissed by everyone except Brexiteers.
Check the journals they publish in are genuine quality and not predatory etc.
Check they’ve never had malpractice issues. Etc.
Do all that, and you’re left with people to listen to.
It’s highly likely that you’re left largely with only one side of the debate still standing.
Getting into the scientific details is good for rebuttals and tackling disinformation.
But you have to be informed first.
Climate change, radiation & health, vaccines, COVID, trans health. The same pattern.
Often the same professional networks of lobbyists.
And no, political tribal instincts will not help you. The difference between left and right is merely that the right has more money.
There are, of course, genuine scientific disputes between qualified experts.
But here’s the thing: they’ll be at a level beyond your formal education.
They’ll be difficult, and require a LOT of reading just to understand where both sides agree.
So a final rule of thumb:
If you find yourself believing vast swathes of experts around the world have been hoodwinked by something simple enough for you as a layperson to understand - you very likely already have at least one foot down the rabbit hole.
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No lockdowns or masks for the illegalsSomeone should inform Joe and Jill about the diseases they are spreading.
CDC sends response team to Chicago migrant shelter amid measles outbreak
Democrats work more for them than actual US citizensLeave a comment:
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Someone should inform Joe and Jill about the diseases they are spreading.
CDC sends response team to Chicago migrant shelter amid measles outbreak
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