What the Hell is going on in Ferguson, Missouri?

[kidcudi92]

this dude on CNN is a fukking moron saying if you run as a felon(non-convicted in this case) it's ok to shoot(legally? it may be), however... if that was the case, there would be a shittload of police action shootings and wounded innocent citizens (due to wrong place wrong time)

the use of a firearm is supposed to be the LAST option, if Mike was reaching in the car, he couldn't have just pulled forward, called for back up, circled back around???

[itchypickle]

What a MASSIVE SHOCKER!!!!

Now we learn that Dorian and Mike Mike were not saints. I understand WHY Dorian would not tell the world in his TV interviews that he witnessed MIKE MIKE steal and strong-arm the clerk...Obviously you can not say that him stealing $40 worth of Cigars justifies what happened ACCORDING TO DORIAN... but it also shows you there is probably still more to the story of what happened at the car.

I would not be shocked to learn that MIKE MIKE stuck his arm in the car to grab for the officers gun. I wonder what else our friend Dorian is leaving out of his statements. Sounds like possibly the cop went overboard with the shooting though.

DONT BELIEVE ALL THE BS CRUMP (the family "attorney") IS FEEDING YOU EITHER. He wants a fat settlement from the police department. He is going to be the new Al Sharpton...

Well said. Along with Crump....hear Darryl Parks is in town there to. All the players from Trayvon's case. No coincidence that these guys are popping up in random states around the nation and not practicing law in terms of arguing the cases but arguing on the civil settlements and media resume'. They aren't family lawyers as much as they are publicists and shakedown artists.

[cloverfield]

Well said. Along with Crump....hear Darryl Parks is in town there to. All the players from Trayvon's case. No coincidence that these guys are popping up in random states around the nation and not practicing law in terms of arguing the cases but arguing on the civil settlements and media resume'. They aren't family lawyers as much as they are publicists and shakedown artists.

I think we will find the officer probably went overboard. I'm just saying it's obvious Dorian is not telling the whole story/truth.

I'm sure his lawyer told him not to say a word about it hoping for good press until it eventually got released. I don't think what happened supports Mike Mike getting killed...but he and Dorian aren't all roses either.

Parks and Crump are attorneys from Tallahassee FL. Why the hell are they in Missouri... there aren't any good local attorneys? No.. because they probably called the family immediately and offered their services.. You're going to see these guys on a cross country tour every time a black teenager dies. Let's see the next time they are speaking up for a white kid who dies????

[jtoler]

Since 9/11 the police have killed more than 5,000 civilians alot more than troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The real war is taking place on U.S. soil.

[itchypickle]

this dude on CNN is a fukking moron saying if you run as a felon(non-convicted in this case) it's ok to shoot(legally? it may be), however... if that was the case, there would be a shittload of police action shootings and wounded innocent citizens (due to wrong place wrong time)

the use of a firearm is supposed to be the LAST option, if Mike was reaching in the car, he couldn't have just pulled forward, called for back up, circled back around???

It'll be easier to imagine once we see the size and build of the officer but putting this all together, from the cops vantage point mind you, not Dorians....if the cop is pulling alongside them to question them on the robbery, once they see him stop they may try and run, thats how officer grabbed hold of Brown from the window....as they struggled in order to get free Brown could have leaned in to punch...and in close quarter like that - picture yourself with one hand free and one hand grabbing Brown while sitting down in the cramped car - vest and gear on plus the laptops and scanners are tight fitting cars- you're in the non dominant fighting position...and the key here is which hand did the officer end up accessing the weapon with....99% of holsters now have the tactical release meaning the weapon has to be grabbed at a certain angle and pulled straight out, this is so random people cant pull it out during a struggle as quickly as the old keather pocket holsters. Also officers who DO have tasers keep it on one side of the body for muscle reflex so that they dont accidentally grab the pistol instead of the taser - so it sits on non dominant hand side for draw. So with brown leaning in the window the taser will be against the door most likely so he couldnt have reached for that..answer the media's question of why couldnt the officer simply shoot a taser first.

[shari91]

Theres been so much, mainly from the family and protestors and hardly any from the cops passed around that I can see why the family hasnt mentioned it...still hearing some in the news say 'he allegedly' and 'why did the chief mention today the robbery, it had nothing to do with brown' like you said, agendas. I posted on page one or so in this thread, the police are most likely being silent because they have videos like we see today and evidence other than people seeing the final seconds of the shooting that will come out once things settle down. Thats what made me hold judgement initially. You're a woman Shari so I know you've had a man before (we all do it at some point in life) get jealous and accuse you of cheating or something and go into a rage and call you names, say they KNOW you did it and other crazy talk and you sit quietly letting us dig out own hole....then whip out facts that it looks a certain way if you want it to but the rush to judgement was uncalled for and now we look like idiots. Cops here waited for calm, released the robbery and name info and I'm sure over the weekend we'll get access to the medical record of the cop and possibly dashboard footage.

I was almost going to say that there's no hope we'll get dashboard footage as Ferg PD has already come out and stated they don't have cams installed even though they own them. But then it just dawned on me: The dude they're claiming is the killer doesn't work for Ferg PD. Like I said above, he's not listed on their personnel records even going back to last Dec despite being a "six year vet" according to the Chief so maybe there's a hope of forcing their hand.

Regardless though, I look at stuff like this as a parent. Even if my unarmed kid shoplifted - and for those who have seen the vid of it it was most definitely not some "violent crime" - I wouldn't expect any community to sit back while my UNARMED kid was riddled with bullets. What happened to shoot to stop?!

[Ted Sheckler]

Since 9/11 10,000 black kids have shot each other dead in Chicago...All the rallys there don't seem to be doing any good. The real war is black on black murders. Not police on civilian, not in Iraq.

Let's get real. Out of those 5,000 police shooting civilians, 4500 of them probably deserved it. 9/10 aint bad.

[shari91]

I think we will find the officer probably went overboard. I'm just saying it's obvious Dorian is not telling the whole story/truth.

I'm sure his lawyer told him not to say a word about it hoping for good press until it eventually got released. I don't think what happened supports Mike Mike getting killed...but he and Dorian aren't all roses either.

Parks and Crump are attorneys from Tallahassee FL. Why the hell are they in Missouri... there aren't any good local attorneys? No.. because they probably called the family immediately and offered their services.. You're going to see these guys on a cross country tour every time a black teenager dies. Let's see the next time they are speaking up for a white kid who dies????

Not commenting on anything else you claimed but those specific lawyers are there because they immediately offered their services after Mike was murdered. Again all documented on social media.

[tony_come]

What happened to being a parent and not allowing your kid to be in a situation that could get him kill.

[kidcudi92]

Ferguson PD looks to use lots of Tahoes. ST Louis County PD looked to have Crown Vics. Like Shari said, it seems this officer wasn't Ferguson PD. Well, assuming it was a Crown Victoria car used, which I own one...it is very roomy. I have even been in the car with the laptops etc, they are built to be roomy for the officer in the front cabin to do paperwork, etc. There is no reason he couldn't have peeled off, requested backup, unless he was incapacitated...but apparently he was not incapacitated enough to shoot the shit out of the kid.

[tony_come]

Take some responsibility ppl

All race!

[cloverfield]

Not commenting on anything else you claimed but those specific lawyers are there because they immediately offered their services after Mike was murdered. Again all documented on social media.

They paint better pictures than Bob Ross. I can't be the only one that rolls their eyes immediately upon seeing them on TV.

[shari91]

Video at the store

[kidcudi92]

Ferguson PD looks to use lots of Tahoes. ST Louis County PD looked to have Crown Vics. Like Shari said, it seems this officer wasn't Ferguson PD. Well, assuming it was a Crown Victoria car used, which I own one...it is very roomy. I have even been in the car with the laptops etc, they are built to be roomy for the officer in the front cabin to do paperwork, etc. There is no reason he couldn't have peeled off, requested backup, unless he was incapacitated...but apparently he was not incapacitated enough to shoot the shit out of the kid.

Why does this matter? Tahoes, Chargers, Crown Vics, all sit at different heights. How tall was Mike Brown? There would be only so far he could get into certain vehicles with his "large" build.

[shari91]

What happened to being a parent and not allowing your kid to be in a situation that could get him kill.

Really? So I should walk around with my 17 year old, holding his hand?! Smarten up. NO ONE should be dying because they shoplifted. ESPECIALLY when they were unarmed. Shoot to stop. Jesus... fukking pedos and mass murderers are merely arrested if they don't off themselves first.

[tony_come]

The kid is a punk!

[shari91]

Why does this matter? Tahoes, Chargers, Crown Vics, all sit at different heights. How tall was Mike Brown? There would be only so far he could get into certain vehicles with his "large" build.

You're responding to yourself there.

If you get banned soon for multi accounting it wasn't me. Just saying.

[tony_come]

Really? So I should walk around with my 17 year old, holding his hand?! Smarten up. NO ONE should be dying because they shoplifted. ESPECIALLY when they were unarmed. Shoot to stop. Jesus... fukking pedos and mass murderers are merely arrested if they don't off themselves first.

I would have shot that kid in the store. Period!

[kidcudi92]

You're responding to yourself there.

If you get banned soon for multi accounting it wasn't me. Just saying.

wait seriously?? it was a follow up for people to understand why it matters.

[recon1]

Unfortunately this event has already sunk to the usual broader race debates and not focused on what actually happened. There are clear police brutality cases, the Cali cop who beat that lady senseless on the side of the road last month....and there are clear cut cases of cops being targeted on the streets in certain neighborhoods.....they all need to be looked at on a case by case basis. Just because brown was black and the cop was white, thats all thats been focused on here so it's hard to get the facts through. I'm still hearing the pundits on the news gloss over the robbery, gloss over the fact that Dorian is involved in it...and still sticking to the original narrative that Brown was just walking and was profiled and then saying 'ok so he robbed a store, ok he assaulted the owner, ok he was legally stopped now and not just out of the blue...and ok there was a struggle...but does a pack of cigarillos warrant a murder of a black teen. I say no, but an assault on a police officer sure does.

Pretty fair and simple concept, when you don't let race enter the picture.

[shari91]

Look at 0:50 in that vid. Mike was acting normally before then and then jumps back for whatever reason. Grabbing a DC machine doesn't give you any $. Something happened there.

[itchypickle]

I was almost going to say that there's no hope we'll get dashboard footage as Ferg PD has already come out and stated they don't have cams installed even though they own them. But then it just dawned on me: The dude they're claiming is the killer doesn't work for Ferg PD. Like I said above, he's not listed on their personnel records even going back to last Dec despite being a "six year vet" according to the Chief so maybe there's a hope of forcing their hand.

Regardless though, I look at stuff like this as a parent. Even if my unarmed kid shoplifted - and for those who have seen the vid of it it was most definitely not some "violent crime" - I wouldn't expect any community to sit back while my UNARMED kid was riddled with bullets. What happened to shoot to stop?!

Hopefully we'll see some sort of footage. Good point made on the nearby police dept involvement. I'm torn on the general use of force vs the specific case here because I know there are the really proactive cops and there are the more sit back and be reactive types - which is odd this happened on a dayshift. Might say alot once we learn of this officer's demeanor since after 6 years with no disciplinary action and in that time hes bound to have effected hundreds of arrests this one went south in a hurry....that being said normally the weekend day shift officers get those shifts after being in the middle of the nights for so long and now they get to have the quiet 12 hour duty...mentioned he was at a sick call just before this happened so its not as if he was out listening to metal music and searching for bad guys to rough up...he was standing around helping paramedics and then gets a call to respond to a robbery in the area and at that point he has to have an idea he isn't pulling up to the nicest individual so probably on alert. Since it JUST happened sure he hadnt seen the video yet, only got the call of a robbery, not shoplifting, but a hands on action. the same reason you have normal traffic stops for a moving violation vs a stop where guns are drawn in advance to approach the vehicle. Hope that makes sense. Just saying if I'm on patrol and you tell me someone just got assaulted or robbed and I see teh suspect, I'm approaching him differently than if it was, as stated originally, two buddies just walking in the middle of the road and politely explaining to the cop 'we are near our destination sir, sorry for the problem kind sir' and the cop just materialized out of nowhere to harass them for being black and him being white.

[recon1]

the guy talking about bias is the same guy running around calling people wiggers

imagine that.

No, I've just read enough from you to have been able to make a fair conclusion that you're a self hating white wannabe black.

[tony_come]

Really? So I should walk around with my 17 year old, holding his hand?! Smarten up. NO ONE should be dying because they shoplifted. ESPECIALLY when they were unarmed. Shoot to stop. Jesus... fukking pedos and mass murderers are merely arrested if they don't off themselves first.

This is America, anyone enter my house will get kill. You don't let him or her leave with only injuries. To protect yourself you must kill the son of the bitch. Or you will get sue

[Ted Sheckler]

Why does this matter? Tahoes, Chargers, Crown Vics, all sit at different heights. How tall was Mike Brown? There would be only so far he could get into certain vehicles with his "large" build.

So when an animal reaches in a cop car, the cop is supposed to drive away and watch him from a distance, call for backup, then drive and follow the guy for 2 minutes while backup arrives? Makes no sense. Especially when you know the guy reaching in your car fits the description of a guy that just robbed a store.

Can't we all just agree that eventually the guy would end up in prison or shot by another brother on the street? At least now his family has a shot at getting some money for it (hopefully not) rather than us people working, paying to keep him in prison for 30+ years of his life.

[kidcudi92]

No, I've just read enough from you to have been able to make a fair conclusion that you're a self hating white wannabe black.

you can kill it with the personal attacks. uncalled for and I'm tired of your shit.

[recon1]

Yes they could, but itd be hard if there is more than one eyewitness for them to have the same story after repeated questioning and there be no lying somewhere if they arnt telling the truth. Good lawyers will eventually find something wrong.

So, without knowing all the facts it is fair to say that we should not make any judgement till all evidence is brought fourth? and you can honestly say that maybe, perhaps, the cop was justified if this suspect actually showed a violent, aggresive demeanor?

[kidcudi92]

So when an animal reaches in a cop car, the cop is supposed to drive away and watch him from a distance, call for backup, then drive and follow the guy for 2 minutes while backup arrives? Makes no sense. Especially when you know the guy reaching in your car fits the description of a guy that just robbed a store.

Can't we all just agree that eventually the guy would end up in prison or shot by another brother on the street? At least now his family has a shot at getting some money for it (hopefully not) rather than us people working, paying to keep him in prison for 30+ years of his life.

ok so instead of using every other tactic police are trained for, he went for the very last one. makes sense.

[tony_come]

The fukkin punk got shot in the street

Next time don't steal and act foolish

Shit happened

[cloverfield]

So when an animal reaches in a cop car, the cop is supposed to drive away and watch him from a distance, call for backup, then drive and follow the guy for 2 minutes while backup arrives? Makes no sense. Especially when you know the guy reaching in your car fits the description of a guy that just robbed a store.

Can't we all just agree that eventually the guy would end up in prison or shot by another brother on the street? At least now his family has a shot at getting some money for it (hopefully not) rather than us people working, paying to keep him in prison for 30+ years of his life.

but he was a poor and innocent kid who was confronted by the officer because he was walking in the middle of the street!!!!
he just graduated High School so he couldn't possibly be doing anything bad in life!!!

Can't wait til we get ALL the facts..

[itchypickle]

Look at 0:50 in that vid. Mike was acting normally before then and then jumps back for whatever reason. Grabbing a DC machine doesn't give you any $. Something happened there.

Just before it watch at the :30 second mark, Brown puts his hands behind his back in the nervous manner then grabs a handful of items and passes them back behind him to Dorian, never paid for them...then reaches over and grabs more at the :50 mark you mentioned...jumps back and then picks them up and they walk out with the store owner in tale.....guessing he was going to hand them to Dorian and then walk off but if the clerk says 'sir you need to place them up here to scan first' or something similar, he reaches in and grabbed the rest and then took off in defiance. Definitely bullied the smaller store owner.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

hell with Missouri

wtf is goin on in this thread

[tony_come]

If Obama had a son he would look like this fukkin kid

[jtoler]

That video isnt an armed robbery so who decided to interject those terms.

[tony_come]

hell with Missouri

wtf is goin on in this thread

A fukkin punk got shot on the street. This is crazy!