What the Hell is going on in Ferguson, Missouri?

[itchypickle]

He will defend them to the hilt because they're black.

This is the mentality they all share.

I'm assuming that as well. Never the one to blame, always the victim.

[Kermit]

If they robbed and beat up a store clerk thats horrible, wish he was alive so he could go to jail for that. But that still doesnt negate him being killed unjustly. I could kill many here on this board and surely some have done something wrong in the past, does that mean I killed them justly, its mixing apples and oranges.

It's harder to believe anything now with these new facts that have been introduced. I sure in the Hell don't believe that Dorian guy's story anymore.

[MoneyLineDawg]

If he actually choked or assaulted the clerk then no sympathy from me....if he just took the items and also surrendered to police than I feel bad for the guy

Also the Trayvon case was completely different....Zimmerman was in the wrong and you will never convince me otherwise

[recon1]

He was just a misunderstood boy.

[itchypickle]

If they robbed and beat up a store clerk thats horrible, wish he was alive so he could go to jail for that. But that still doesnt negate him being killed unjustly. I could kill many here on this board and surely some have done something wrong in the past, does that mean I killed them justly, its mixing apples and oranges. I dont know what happened, if he was shot in the back while running away thats murder, if the cop was getting beat to death while the victim was standing over him pummelling him then the cop was justified IMO.

The robbery itself doesn't, agreed...but context...we can no longer believe Dorians account that they were just approached and then assaulted. We have to look at the evidence....pretty sure now they did in fact attack the officer when he tried to stop them to question....so if that big dude and Dorian attack you while sitting....you know they just robbed and assaulted a store....you now have the right to raise your level of aggression. Put yourself in that moment man......you're a cop in a rough neighborhood....respond to a call about a violent robbery and you are outnumbered 2-1....you get in a fight are injured....justified to fire right there.....reasonable though of safety.

[recon1]

Nope has nothing to do with the fact that a man was killed unjustly.

How do you know for a fact the killing was unjust?

[jtoler]

If the cops would have come out 5 or 6 days ago and pinned the robbery on him with the evidence, a whole lot of sadness up in that area could have been avoided.

Thats whats hard to understand for me. Dead men tell no tales, the cop is no doubt going to say anything to cover his tail, Ive only seen a couple other pics of the victim, if thats really him why did they wait to release all this stuff with all thats taking place there, did they want all that stuff to take place? I mean this is the U.S. who is trying to implement a police state inevitably anyway. Why would they wait until now to release such information.

[RubberKettle]

How do you know for a fact the killing was unjust?

Because he automatically believes the white cop that killed the black kid was a racist.

[jtoler]

How do you know for a fact the killing was unjust?

I stated in another post I dont know, I think there were other eyewitnesses other than the victim's friend though, if they are telling the truth then it seems unjust.

[jtoler]

The robbery itself doesn't, agreed...but context...we can no longer believe Dorians account that they were just approached and then assaulted. We have to look at the evidence....pretty sure now they did in fact attack the officer when he tried to stop them to question....so if that big dude and Dorian attack you while sitting....you know they just robbed and assaulted a store....you now have the right to raise your level of aggression. Put yourself in that moment man......you're a cop in a rough neighborhood....respond to a call about a violent robbery and you are outnumbered 2-1....you get in a fight are injured....justified to fire right there.....reasonable though of safety.

Youre doing what you said you cant do all in the same statement. You cant be "pretty sure" they attacked the cop, youre speculating.

[teaserpleaser]

Because he automatically believes the white cop that killed the black kid was a racist.

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

[itchypickle]

Thats whats hard to understand for me. Dead men tell no tales, the cop is no doubt going to say anything to cover his tail, Ive only seen a couple other pics of the victim, if thats really him why did they wait to release all this stuff with all thats taking place there, did they want all that stuff to take place? I mean this is the U.S. who is trying to implement a police state inevitably anyway. Why would they wait until now to release such information.

Simple answer....if you just throw everything and anything out there...it damages the court cases...on either side. The officials, with Eric Holder looking on, are doing this the CORRECT WAY. Not getting caught up in the emotions...following the laws. Its been not even a wekk yet....this isn't Law and Order where everything is solved in one hour.

[recon1]

I stated in another post I dont know, I think there were other eyewitnesses other than the victim's friend though, if they are telling the truth then it seems unjust.

Would it be reasonable the eyewitneses may be just a little bit biased……just a small chance?

[El Nino]

The friend who was with 'big mike' as he refers to the person shot, went into pretty good detail about the incident from start to finish. His attorney was by his side during the latest interview to make sure the correct words are used, but can definitely see how it all played out.

Dorian and Mike walking down the street...carrying hands full of cigarellos, wonder what they were going to put in them minutes later . He said they were walking in the middle of the street but didn't see any cars swerve around them so didn't think they were being a problem to anyone (still illegal to do that for their own safety thats why sidewalks are built) The police officer rolls up alongside and tells them to 'get the F out of the road' and Dorian says he was shocked that the police officer would ask them to do such a thing so he politely replies 'sir, we will be at our destination in less than a minute' and kept walking in the road...the police officer hears the response and failure to comply with the warning and stops the vehicle and put it in reverse. When he stops and goes to open his door to exit the door hits one of the men and closes back onto the officer who then reaches out the window to grab hold of Brown, Brown pulled away and Dorian said the officer was stuck in the car trying to maintain a grip and there was a tug of war going on for a few seconds, then Brown turns to his friend and says 'hold these' and hands him the cigarellos to free up his hands...he then tried to get away from the officer more forcefully and the officer, in close quarters with the two men, pulls his weapon and says 'stop or I'm going to shoot', a few seconds later he fires one round into the side of Mike Brown. From there the officer exits the vehicle firing again as Brown is trying to still flee and ends up dropping the man 30 feet away in the end.

Could have all been avoided by just doing the right thing...but as one would expect from a young punk with a wife beater and tattoos of skulls on his neck among a dozen other ink jobs to do in the situation....decided to be a smart ass to the cop and it escalated. Now we have the media looping the sweet images of Brown and his grandfather saying there was no way he tried to resist the police because he was a gentle giant who was so smart that when you bought him a video game, he could beat it and always wanted more of them

The moment I knew this kid was full of shit.

[jtoler]

Would it be reasonable the eyewitneses may be just a little bit biased……just a small chance?

Would it be reasonable to say one is bias if a white person just automatically said the cop's actions were justified...just a small chance?

[recon1]

The robbery itself doesn't, agreed...but context...we can no longer believe Dorians account that they were just approached and then assaulted. We have to look at the evidence....pretty sure now they did in fact attack the officer when he tried to stop them to question....so if that big dude and Dorian attack you while sitting....you know they just robbed and assaulted a store....you now have the right to raise your level of aggression. Put yourself in that moment man......you're a cop in a rough neighborhood....respond to a call about a violent robbery and you are outnumbered 2-1....you get in a fight are injured....justified to fire right there.....reasonable though of safety.

Most logical post on this entire matter I've read here.

[kidcudi92]

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

[El Nino]

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

Kind of like how it feels like most blacks applaud looting in response to something when all of the facts have not been released?

gotta to the brothas down there this is what the 4th night in a row ....oh and fukk that cop on CNN that called the protesters animals thanks to sbr I know what hes really saying with those code words too bad they didn't. You can feel the racial tension here in so cal so I know its gotta be thick ass shit in the Midwest and southeast where its traditionally racist as fukk. I grew up in suburb of LA with white friends played baseball etc etc a lot of white friends I don't have any today...I don't trust American white people.

[RubberKettle]

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

Probably down to the fact that they live in the same neighborhoods.

[kidcudi92]

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

i did the ground work for them

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[recon1]

Would it be reasonable to say one is bias if a white person just automatically said the cop's actions were justified...just a small chance?

Did i say i thought cops "actions were justified"?

[recon1]

Hey, looky here the wigger finally woke up.

[kidcudi92]

Hey, looky here the wigger finally woke up.

why am i a wigger? 3 reasons please?

[Kermit]

It's starting to feel like most whites especially lower middle to poor whites are indeed racist.

I live right along side blacks and have my whole life. Don't have any problem with most of them. But there are a few that we all problems with.

[jtoler]

Did i say i thought cops "actions were justified"?

I dont know, seems 95% of white people on the board does though and new information that the victim participated in a robbery is more ammunition to argue the gesture. I think such new revelation just clouds what really took place, now the key thing is how much credence will be given to eye witness testimony.

[recon1]

why am i a wigger? 3 reasons please?

1. walk like a duck

2. talk like a duck

3.act like a duck

[kidcudi92]

1. walk like a duck

2. talk like a duck

3.act like a duck

wow you are so smart that you came up with 0 reasons. bravo.

[recon1]

I dont know, seems 95% of white people on the board does though and new information that the victim participated in a robbery is more ammunition to argue the gesture. I think such new revelation just clouds what really took place, now the key thing is how much credence will be given to eye witness testimony.

Gotta let all the evidence come fourth. No doubt the revelation he robbed a store hurts the credibility of any witness.

[teaserpleaser]

Kind of like how it feels like most blacks applaud looting in response to something when all of the facts have not been released?

Just calling it as I see it ...like I said those are mostly poor uneducated kids with hip hop influenced ethics it's not ideal. I for one am not for the looting but the unification is a good thing the fact that's this is getting major media attention for a prolonged period may make the next cop think twice about killing our young black youth. It's an issue I'm driving through west LA yesterday csi is out gang related shooting doesn't even make a peep in local media. Most of you live in proximity of poor blacks in the southeast and Midwest. Me and My family and friends cringe at the looting but what are you going to do? You guys need to travel get outside of your comfort zone if you think all black people are like the looters....get a passport and use it while you're at it

[jtoler]

Gotta let all the evidence come fourth. No doubt the revelation he robbed a store hurts the credibility of any witness.

I dont think it hurts the credibility of an eyewitness, him robbing the store doesnt negate what ACTUALLY took place. The eyewitnesses saw what they saw.

[Kermit]

I dont know, seems 95% of white people on the board does though and new information that the victim participated in a robbery is more ammunition to argue the gesture. I think such new revelation just clouds what really took place, now the key thing is how much credence will be given to eye witness testimony.

Well the evidence now paints a very different picture of Michael Brown than the media had let us to believe. What did they call him? "Gentle Giant" ?

[itchypickle]

Most logical post on this entire matter I've read here.

Unfortunately this event has already sunk to the usual broader race debates and not focused on what actually happened. There are clear police brutality cases, the Cali cop who beat that lady senseless on the side of the road last month....and there are clear cut cases of cops being targeted on the streets in certain neighborhoods.....they all need to be looked at on a case by case basis. Just because brown was black and the cop was white, thats all thats been focused on here so it's hard to get the facts through. I'm still hearing the pundits on the news gloss over the robbery, gloss over the fact that Dorian is involved in it...and still sticking to the original narrative that Brown was just walking and was profiled and then saying 'ok so he robbed a store, ok he assaulted the owner, ok he was legally stopped now and not just out of the blue...and ok there was a struggle...but does a pack of cigarillos warrant a murder of a black teen. I say no, but an assault on a police officer sure does.

[Kermit]

I dont think it hurts the credibility of an eyewitness, him robbing the store doesnt negate what ACTUALLY took place. The eyewitnesses saw what they saw.

I think it is devastating to Dorian Johnson's statement.

[teaserpleaser]

I live right along side blacks and have my whole life. Don't have any problem with most of them. But there are a few that we all problems with.

Middle class neighborhood?...I can tell you have perspective Kermit we all aren't looting and stealing cigars I grew up on a golf course and haven't sagged a day in my life. Have both parents whom both have their masters degrees ....my point is we aren't all the same it would be like me going to a rural texas trailor park and pointing at the poor whites and saying See I told you they're all the same

[recon1]

I dont think it hurts the credibility of an eyewitness, him robbing the store doesnt negate what ACTUALLY took place. The eyewitnesses saw what they saw.

Again, no chance witneses could be biased?