GOD

[bobbywaves]

Are you getting scared yet BobbyWaves ?

Yeah, I must be petrified as a forest of Allah.

[trobin31]

What if we were all created by extraterrestrials. What if they are just growing us like cattle, waiting for us to be more than 100 billion only to slaughter us for something like food or fuel. Shouldn't we be preparing the ultimate weapon to defend ourselves once that fateful day arrives. Let's get to work ppl....

[bobbywaves]

No miracles have ever happened in the history of mankind.

That’s what’s so special about miracles: they don’t make sense! Frankly, miracles wouldn’t be miracles if they were physically possible. Whenever Jesus performs a miracle in the gospels, the crowds or disciples are in awe precisely because of how unbelievable these actions were.

[TheAntFather]

bobbywaves

Comedy gold.

[TheAntFather]

Miraculous Healings Still Occur:

There are literally hundreds of accounts of miraculous healings today among countless Christians but these are at the discretion of God alone. God miraculously heals some while choosing not to heal others for His divine purpose. No one would accuse the apostle Paul of having a weak faith, yet God refused to heal him after he asked three times. In God’s higher wisdom, He knows who and what to heal and what is best for the believer in choosing not to heal someone. Yes, miracles still happen, but they are not at the direction or discretion of believers but a decision of God alone. He does heal through petitions of prayers but there are times when His answer is no because He has a higher purpose in mind. Our sufferings and afflictions work out a purpose that we may not be able to understand at this time (Romans 8).


Miracles Still Happen

God is still in the business of miracles. I believe that the greatest miracle of all is that of converting a blind sinner to see their sin and to change the human heart; from one of serving the god of this world to seeing their own sin and the need of a Savior in Jesus Christ. The miracle of human conversion is actually greater than any healing miracle because this brings eternal life in Christ. A healing miracle is only temporary. The person healed will eventually die but the one that is born-again has inherent eternal life that can never be lost and that person can live with God for eternity, never to die again (John 3:16).

Can your god perform a miracle Gynecomastia to reduce your C-cups to A-cups?

[maggiethebestdog]

Show me what I misspelled? Since you're ignorantly questioning earthy, I'll help you out: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=earthy

If you're going to bring up the Quran, the least you can do is spell it correctly. I really think the Muslims & atheists deserve a better spokesman.

Moving into a mental health facility would not be a waste of your time. I still think you could be trolling. Nobody could be out of touch with reality this much and be serious.

[bobbywaves]

Comedy gold.

Your admission of drinking piss, now that's "comedy gold."

[bobbywaves]

Moving into a mental health facility would not be a waste of your time.

It would be a waste of time. After testing I would be released, on the basis that my IQ is higher than theirs.

I still think you could be trolling. Nobody could be out of touch with reality this much and be serious.

So according to you, I'm the only one who believes in God. Apparently you haven't read this thread & don't watch sports. Why do many athletes point to the sky & thank God before conducting any interview? Apparently they're not Atheists.

[maggiethebestdog]

It would be a waste of time. After testing I would be released, on the basis that my IQ is higher than theirs.



So according to you, I'm the only one who believes in God. Apparently you haven't read this thread & don't watch sports. Why do many athletes point to the sky & thank God before conducting any interview? Apparently they're not Atheists.

Well if pro athletes do that it certainly proves their is a god. Pro athletes are very well known for their knowledge and wisdom they use in their day to day lives. Boy, you really got me on that one.

[bobbywaves]

Well if pro athletes do that it certainly proves their is a god. Pro athletes are very well known for their knowledge and wisdom they use in their day to day lives.

Nobody could be out of touch with reality this much and be serious.

Try dismissing these famous scientists "very well known for their knowledge & wisdom," who were "in touch with reality & serious" about their belief in God:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...encefaith.html

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjw17i7BRC7toz5g5DM0tsBEiQAIt7nLLkewtJwV61p_tYT0Kpx0q5CwnsvYdIPD2ByOGBytE8aAieb8P8HAQ

[TheAntFather]

Moving into a mental health facility would not be a waste of your time. I still think you could be trolling. Nobody could be out of touch with reality this much and be serious.

Exactly. This guy has C-cups and I'm in tip top health and he's questioning what Top fighters around the world and I do. Unreal, can't make this shit up. Just because Booby's brain has been brain washed by the government to worship air and grow C-cups and I drink the most sterile and distilled healing liquid in the world, I'm the one with the problem? This is what's wrong with this world, too much followers and Sheep like Bobby.

[TheAntFather]

Well if pro athletes do that it certainly proves their is a god. Pro athletes are very well known for their knowledge and wisdom they use in their day to day lives. Boy, you really got me on that one.

[BigDofBA]

Try dismissing these famous scientists "very well known for their knowledge & wisdom," who were "in touch with reality & serious" about their belief in God:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...encefaith.html

http://www.everystudent.com/features...tE8aAieb8P8HAQ

There are always wackos out there. The fact of the matter is, over 90% of biologist and physicists do not believe in God.

My source is the National Academy of Science. Look it up.

Only 5.5% of biologist believe and only 7.5% of physicists believe.

The evidence of God not is existing is much greater than the evidence of him existing simply because there isn't any evidence he exists.

If people could walk on water and live to be 900, they would still be doing it today.

I mean do you just think it's a coincidence that we don't see any of these old wise tales happen anymore?

The bible was written by man when man wasn't very smart. As man gets smarter we actually figure out why things happen. Example, we know the world isn't flat and we now know that God doesn't make it rain or snow.

We don't how it all started but we will continue to advance.

The human mind is programmed for everything to have a start and end. Our minds can't fathom eternity or how something could come from nothing because we're not that advanced yet. In 3000 years people will look back at us and think we were very primitive people.

If you want to be religious and believe in God that's your right. I just get annoyed at these people that "present" themselves as religious and then in reality they're shitty, rude, arrogant, judgmental people that don't practice what they preach.

All religions think theirs is the only one that is right. That in itself is enough for me to see how much contradiction there is.

You think the Muslim on the other side of the world is going to hell because he doesn't believe like you do. The Muslim on the other side of the world thinks you're going to hell because you don't believe like him either. This doesn't even count the Jews who don't even think Jesus was the Messiah.

Don't you get it? There are all these religions so even in the 0% chance one of them was right, that would make every other religion wrong. What is so ironic is that religious people aren't open minded enough to see this.

I'm really not trying to hate on your beliefs, although it may sound that way, I'm just trying to get you to see the logic behind my stance.

Give me one example that is evidence of God's existence.

[bobbywaves]

Exactly. This guy has C-cups and I'm in tip top health and he's questioning what Top fighters around the world and I do. Unreal, can't make this shit up. Just because Booby's brain has been brain washed by the government to worship air and grow C-cups and I drink the most sterile and distilled healing liquid in the world, I'm the one with the problem? This is what's wrong with this world, too much followers and Sheep like Bobby.

Coming from a sheep follower, who was convinced to drink piss.

[bobbywaves]

There are all these religions so even in the 0% chance one of them was right, that would make every other religion wrong. What is so ironic is that religious people aren't open minded enough to see this.

Yet you're narrow minded enough to claim that out of all the different religions, there's a "0% chance one of them is right."

Give me one example that is evidence of God's existence.

I already gave you 6 examples, I suggest you read them:

http://www.everystudent.com/features...tE8aAieb8P8HAQ

[brainfreeze]

There are always wackos out there. The fact of the matter is, over 90% of biologist and physicists do not believe in God.

My source is the National Academy of Science. Look it up.

Only 5.5% of biologist believe and only 7.5% of physicists believe.

The evidence of God not is existing is much greater than the evidence of him existing simply because there isn't any evidence he exists.

If people could walk on water and live to be 900, they would still be doing it today.

I mean do you just think it's a coincidence that we don't see any of these old wise tales happen anymore?

The bible was written by man when man wasn't very smart. As man gets smarter we actually figure out why things happen. Example, we know the world isn't flat and we now know that God doesn't make it rain or snow.

We don't how it all started but we will continue to advance.

The human mind is programmed for everything to have a start and end. Our minds can't fathom eternity or how something could come from nothing because we're not that advanced yet. In 3000 years people will look back at us and think we were very primitive people.

If you want to be religious and believe in God that's your right. I just get annoyed at these people that "present" themselves as religious and then in reality they're shitty, rude, arrogant, judgmental people that don't practice what they preach.

All religions think theirs is the only one that is right. That in itself is enough for me to see how much contradiction there is.

You think the Muslim on the other side of the world is going to hell because he doesn't believe like you do. The Muslim on the other side of the world thinks you're going to hell because you don't believe like him either. This doesn't even count the Jews who don't even think Jesus was the Messiah.

Don't you get it? There are all these religions so even in the 0% chance one of them was right, that would make every other religion wrong. What is so ironic is that religious people aren't open minded enough to see this.

I'm really not trying to hate on your beliefs, although it may sound that way, I'm just trying to get you to see the logic behind my stance.

Give me one example that is evidence of God's existence.

I am that example...

I'm not perfect, but my old self would cut your throat in a second if it meant mines or my survival, ya feel me? I didn't care about you, or yours or how you felt or me... I wanted mine, ..that's all, I wasn't on no internet talkin stuff neither, I wasn't about peace and kuma byi ya stuff, I don't know what else to tell you man, there's a lot of stuff to take heed and read in this thread ... It could save your soul,

i come from a land of we don't give.. no care, when I tell you, you wouldn't want to know the old me, that's what I mean, and ANYONE on this earth that knew me or of me, knows our souls ...our lives was at stake at any given situation. This is where I lived, in a house of misery, thriving off others weakness and pain,

but sit here and tell a man that's been stabbed, shot at, sentenced to 7 years (with the next a multi-bill) that there is no God, .. Sit here and tell me about what religion is right and another thinks it has it wrong, sit here and tell me how irrational I am, tell me all these miracles I've experienced is just a figment of my imagination... It's all a dream,

if you want to believe that, ITS UP TO YOU, I'm telling you the God honest truth, He's real.... Very real. Beyond anything I can call real on this EARTH, there isn't a word to describe Him.. but love, ... God is love there little brother, if you want to accept Him, good... Awesome , if you don't ..do what you gotta do man, live your life and forget the discussion... It's your choice, completely up to you, He won't make you, He could've just started out with robots for all that... It's up to you,

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Can your god perform a miracle Gynecomastia to reduce your C-cups to A-cups?

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[maggiethebestdog]

I am that example...

I'm not perfect, but my old self would cut your throat in a second if it meant mines or my survival, ya feel me? I didn't care about you, or yours or how you felt or me... I wanted mine, ..that's all, I wasn't on no internet talkin stuff neither, I wasn't about peace and kuma byi ya stuff, I don't know what else to tell you man, there's a lot of stuff to take heed and read in this thread ... It could save your soul,

i come from a land of we don't give.. no care, when I tell you, you wouldn't want to know the old me, that's what I mean, and ANYONE on this earth that knew me or of me, knows our souls ...our lives was at stake at any given situation. This is where I lived, in a house of misery, thriving off others weakness and pain,

but sit here and tell a man that's been stabbed, shot at, sentenced to 7 years (with the next a multi-bill) that there is no God, .. Sit here and tell me about what religion is right and another thinks it has it wrong, sit here and tell me how irrational I am, tell me all these miracles I've experienced is just a figment of my imagination... It's all a dream,

if you want to believe that, ITS UP TO YOU, I'm telling you the God honest truth, He's real.... Very real. Beyond anything I can call real on this EARTH, there isn't a word to describe Him.. but love, ... God is love there little brother, if you want to accept Him, good... Awesome , if you don't ..do what you gotta do man, live your life and forget the discussion... It's your choice, completely up to you, He won't make you, He could've just started out with robots for all that... It's up to you,

I love all these screw ups that are scumbags their whole life, go to jail and then find Jesus. Funny how Jesus wasn't a part of your life before. You are a dime a dozen. A total failure in life who goes from one extreme to another. From screw up to relying on some nonsense to be a good person. Couldn't figure that one out on your own?? You think the fact you are not a dirtbag anymore proves their is a God???? That is hilarious. Maybe you got tired of jail. There are only a million logical answers for your transformation. They are all rooted in human behavior.
Wow. You sound like you were a real tough guy. I had to knock out some punks like you when I was younger. I was and still am a trained fighter. You guys go down real easy when you meet up people who knows how to hurt people but only do so as a last resort. Thanks for proving how ridiculous GOD stories can be.

[brainfreeze]

I love all these screw ups that are scumbags their whole life, go to jail and then find Jesus. Funny how Jesus wasn't a part of your life before. You are a dime a dozen. A total failure in life who goes from one extreme to another. From screw up to relying on some nonsense to be a good person. Couldn't figure that one out on your own?? You think the fact you are not a dirtbag anymore proves their is a God???? That is hilarious. Maybe you got tired of jail. There are only a million logical answers for your transformation. They are all rooted in human behavior.
Wow. You sound like you were a real tough guy. I had to knock out some punks like you when I was younger. I was and still am a trained fighter. You guys go down real easy when you meet up people who knows how to hurt people but only do so as a last resort. Thanks for proving how ridiculous GOD stories can be.

I didn't find Jesus in jail,.. My extreme was money, and wanting power in this crap world. Long after prison btw, not jail... You just go with what you think " rooted in human behavior " or the million other ways... As for being tough, what I meant by " I would cut your throat ", I cared about myself, and only me, anybody that thought they were my friend in that world I would just use for my own benefit, then carry on in life without conscience, for example: if you had the plug " the connect " once I found him, I forgot about you, or if you had a girl I liked I'd pull her, you couldn't eat off me, your party was over in a sense. I wasn't looking to harm people, not my thing, from time to time I would end up around those sorts because it comes with that world, and one better be prepared for anything but I wasn't a bully or " tough guy ", I wasn't in to strong arming.. I'm not here to prove this or that or pride myself on what I was, because at the end of the day, I know who made a way, it wasn't me...

Ps, I've been in quite a few fights, prison even.... with some very big boys, also boxed in prison.. I don't boast on all that though, I'm not a tough guy, or a killer, never was looking to harm people, just the power and money dude, ...

[brainfreeze]

And you're right, I was a crappy person... I was lost, I'm just grateful to be found.

[BigDofBA]

I respect people but I don't necessarily respect all ideas. I'm not telling anyone what to believe in, I'm just giving my thoughts and asking simple questions that should require simple answers. This is a friendly debate and should be treated as such...if you're responding to me anyway. I'll try to consolidate my points in bullet points. Here are my main problems with religion although I could go on forever.

Inconsistency of world religions - There are roughly 4,200 religions. All have different views. All think theirs is the only way. Even within Christianity and Islam there are different beliefs. Both Muslims and Christians believe in God and both think the other side is going to hell. Isn't it arrogant to think you're way is the right way just because that's what you were born into? That doesn't seem fair or logical. So is God going to banish kids to hell that are born into ISIS families?

Sciences falsifies previous facts stated by religious texts - Example, where Thunder and Lightning come from, why you look like your parents, why you get sick, why the sun rises, I could go one with hundreds of examples. God used to explain all of this but as we get smarter as a human race we figure out that God is not the reason the stuff happens. The total number of times we have unequivocally proved that God was responsible for something is zero!!!

Arguments for God are weak - Again, there is no proof. The Bible is written by man when man was stupid. What about faith??? That is another weak argument. When you go get a loan or do anything in life you can't just ask someone to have faith you'll pay it back or follow through. You have to have proof of income or some type of collateral. If I told you I could fly you wouldn't believe me unless I proved it.

The entire wishy washiness of it all - You can screw up and do wrong over and over again and be ok because "you'er saved". That's ridiculous. Often times, from my own experiences, religious people don't live up to what they preach. You shouldn't lead a good and ethical life because you're trying to please a God. You should do it because it's the right thing to do.

None of the crazy stories in the Bible have been seen or witnessed by anyone alive today - Do you guys really believe people lived to be 900 and walked on water? If that could happen, and there was a God, he would have no reasons to stop performing those miracles. There is probably a reason no one alive, or anyone you've ever known to be alive, has seen any of this shit happen.

The Bible contradicts itself - One piece of scripture could say God is a loving God and the other could discreminate against gays, talk down to women, and talk about God destroying man. Which is it? The Koran is no different.


***Summary***
Many atheists I have talked to know more about the Bible than a lot of the religious nuts out there. How ironic is that? That probably explains why they are atheists.

I believe the Bible was written by man to explain things we weren't smart enough to understand and help people find piece with the fact they're going to die. I think man created a series of fables, some of which teach good life lessons, and also created God in the image of man.

Religion hasn't improved itself or clarified anything for hundreds of years. It's not coincidence that it's diminishing because society is becoming more advanced.

Christians don't bother me as long as they aren't those crazy Westboro Baptists people but on the whole, I think religion can be very destructive for society. Look what's going on in the Middle East right now.

Religious people call atheists egotistical but in reality, I think it's egotistical to think that out of all religions in the universe, yours is the only correct one and you somehow how some type of relationship with the diety that created everything in entire universe.

[The Kraken]

Before Christianity was a religion there was an Egyptian religion with almost the same story to the T, except replace Jesus with Horus

And Christians think the story of Jesus is unique

[brainfreeze]

. BigDofBA Said: I respect people but I don't necessarily respect all ideas. I'm not telling anyone what to believe in, I'm just giving my thoughts and asking simple questions that should require simple answers. This is a friendly debate and should be treated as such...if you're responding to me anyway. I'll try to consolidate my points in bullet points. Here are my main problems with religion although I could go on forever.

im willing to engage because you sound sincere, you sound like you really want to understand some of this, so I'm willing to spend my time as much as you are willing to be open minded, open hearted, and willing to accept things you're not always going to understand right away...

. Inconsistency of world religions - There are roughly 4,200 religions. All have different views. All think theirs is the only way. Even within Christianity and Islam there are different beliefs. Both Muslims and Christians believe in God and both think the other side is going to hell. Isn't it arrogant to think you're way is the right way just because that's what you were born into? That doesn't seem fair or logical. So is God going to banish kids to hell that are born into ISIS families?

ok to start, my parents are some what Catholics, especially my dad, he's pretty firm on the " Peter you are my rock " deal ... Saying like he was the first pope but it's just bad understanding, there is no man greater then John the Baptist ... There is scripture on John being the greatest, not Peter.. But yeah, if I had to pick, I'm going with the baptist, I think the doctrine ( for the most part, pending on the preacher) has it right.. Now as for islam, look up Jacob and Esau .. They are the seed of Esau, and no we don't believe in the same god. I believe Jesus is God that has come through the flesh, they believe Jesus was just another prophet.. Others have said this but just look at the life of muhammad and what he calls for, then look at the life of Jesus, and what He calls for, .. Who's holy out of them, it's not even a close choice, if one has a heart, they would forget their family tradition and follow what's right read the Bible and accept Christ the Messiah, walid Shoebat did, anyone from any culture can, it's the true religion of God, and I've had things happen in my life that verify this, that God is who He says He is, and His Word is the final authority ... I'm thankful, so thankful He left it to a sinful people that we've fallen to be,

I don't know about the rest, cults, hindus, and buddha.. In these countries there are Christians as well..

.Sciences falsifies previous facts stated by religious texts - Example, where Thunder and Lightning come from, why you look like your parents, why you get sick, why the sun rises, I could go one with hundreds of examples. God used to explain all of this but as we get smarter as a human race we figure out that God is not the reason the stuff happens. The total number of times we have unequivocally proved that God was responsible for something is zero!!!

we can't prove He is responsible yet we can't disprove Him neither.. Just the way it is, yet He leaves these things like a genetic code and the sophistication of the universe and everything in it for us to gaze on and try to understand, thousands of years into this and all the tech we have, yet we are still puzzled and can't disprove Him, though the darwnism tries, yet can't .. Creational museums thrive and people are building replicas of Noah's ark, ... The numbers float, you should check out that ark..

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Arguments for God are weak - Again, there is no proof. The Bible is written by man when man was stupid. What about faith??? That is another weak argument. When you go get a loan or do anything in life you can't just ask someone to have faith you'll pay it back or follow through. You have to have proof of income or some type of collateral. If I told you I could fly you wouldn't believe me unless I proved it.

There are relics of times past, A LOT of historians in universities even, believe the accounts of ancient historians that did say Jesus exist.. The Jews don't even deny it, they just have ugly things to say about Christ Jesus, ( He didn't fulfill prophecy the way they wanted ) so they rejected Him... The Dead Sea scrolls and late amulets didn't just pop out of no where, the papyrus has been tested and verified. They are digging things up all the time that align with biblical stories, names, and times... There's nothing in the books that's been disproven, nothing.... There are a lot of books in the Bible, that in itself is pretty strong so I don't know how you can say weak, especially the role Israel plays in today's world....

. The entire wishy washiness of it all - You can screw up and do wrong over and over again and be ok because "you'er saved". That's ridiculous. Often times, from my own experiences, religious people don't live up to what they preach. You shouldn't lead a good and ethical life because you're trying to please a God. You should do it because it's the right thing to do.

no ... We can't, being saved we do have grace, through faith but this grace is not a license to sin, when we are in-gifted with the Holy Spirit, we feel like crap sometimes for weeks because of one wretched sin, when before are lives were engulfed in sin, it was our master, once freed from, we are dying to the flesh, and living in the Spirit with God, God sees us as the finished work of Him, but we have to walk in this transformation. This isn't always easy, giving up old " homies ", bad taste of music, weed was a hard one for me, the dress code, haircut, posture, the way I thought... Literally everything is being renewed and these days I'm a slave to righteousness, I might still get angry at something dumb or just little bits of the flesh pops out, but I feel like crap for weeks sometime, it hurts you, knowing you're hurting Him.. So no, we don't just go to church scream hallelu'Yah on Sunday's then off to living like everyone else afterwards, .. Not saying some don't do this, but I would question their faith, faith without works is dead...

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None of the crazy stories in the Bible have been seen or witnessed by anyone alive today - Do you guys really believe people lived to be 900 and walked on water? If that could happen, and there was a God, he would have no reasons to stop performing those miracles. There is probably a reason no one alive, or anyone you've ever known to be alive, has seen any of this shit happen.

you'd be surprised here BigD .. The stuff I've seen and see is amazing, it goes past anything I've ever thought I could experince in this life, God is an awesome God, just today I've heard of a miracle from a family friend, what he thought was cancer the test have just came back all negative ... Pure miracles, when I tell you this stuff is real, it's real,.. If He came back today and walked water, I'd be shocked in amazement but ( no offense) not like you, because I know what He's capable of, imagine the apostles, they seen Jesus calm storms, feed multitudes with 5 loaves of bread. Peter even walked on water with Him, yet denied Him thrice.. The miracles will come, I'm sure if you wanted to see His power sincerely and you were willing to give your Life to find out, donating your time to learn Him and open your heart to His Words, I'm sure you'd see different things that will outweigh coincidence, and then you will stop believing in coincidence all together..

Also if He showed everyone He was real, by just showing up ( which He will ) btw, but if He does so right this moment, what place would faith have?

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The Bible contradicts itself - One piece of scripture could say God is a loving God and the other could discreminate against gays, talk down to women, and talk about God destroying man. Which is it? The Koran is no different.

There are no contradictions, just misunderstandings and misinterpretations on the readers part..homosexuality is sin, they were not born that way, I know of people being healed of it and they now live a God filled life with their own healthy heterosexual lives. We love those people, we just don't like what they're doing, they are letting that sin be the master of their lives, He tells us to love our wives to, we are one with them, He created woman for us, ... Out of the rib of man, there is a order, God, man, woman=children, then dogs and pets

[brainfreeze]

Also Gods understanding comes to His believers, the reason for an explanation is to gain understanding, if we do not believe Him, we are not entitled to His understandings. Gods understanding is a gift to those who believe He justly gives to those sincere in heart to want to seek out a matter.

Sometimes the explanations you look for have to come from God, Himself. He will show you, I have no doubt in this. A man will not always settle your questions, or disbelief, and if we don't seek Him, why would He just be throwing His holy understanding around? Our hearts have to be open, we must be humble, and seek Him diligently .. Once doing so, He will show you what you desire, on His time... Could be a month, could be years, if one really wants to know, time is not a factor...

God bless

[bobbywaves]

Inconsistency of world religions - There are roughly 4,200 religions. All have different views. All think theirs is the only way. Even within Christianity and Islam there are different beliefs. Both Muslims and Christians believe in God and both think the other side is going to hell. Isn't it arrogant to think you're way is the right way just because that's what you were born into? That doesn't seem fair or logical.

It doesn't seem fair or logical that out of the 4,200 religions, none of them are correct. But it's sure arrogant to think that.

So is God going to banish kids to hell that are born into ISIS families?

Probably, but not because ISIS kids cut off the heads of their stuffed animals. God will give them a pass on that one, as their parents forced them to do it. But when they start cutting off the heads of humans, God will have no mercy on their souls. They should clearly know right from wrong by then.

Sciences falsifies previous facts stated by religious texts

Then please explain why these famous scientists believed in God?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...encefaith.html

Arguments for God are weak - Again, there is no proof. If I told you I could fly you wouldn't believe me unless I proved it.

I previously posted 6 examples of why God exists: http://www.everystudent.com/features...tE8aAieb8P8HAQ

I believe you can fly, with no proof necessary. Many people fly every day, apparently you've never been to an airport.

You shouldn't lead a good and ethical life because you're trying to please a God. You should do it because it's the right thing to do.

Why can't someone live a good life for both reasons?

One piece of scripture could say God is a loving God and the other could discreminate against gays

Apparently you discriminate against the dictionary.

I believe the Bible was written by man to explain things we weren't smart enough to understand and help people find piece with the fact they're going to die.

If you're not smart enough to write multiple words correctly when spellcheck is available, I really don't expect you to comprehend the Bible.

Christians don't bother me as long as they aren't those crazy Westboro Baptists people but on the whole, I think religion can be very destructive for society. Look what's going on in the Middle East right now.

You're clearly bothered by religion, despite your whole family being religious. Let's put God's existence aside for the moment. If the Bible makes Christians live a better life & feel good about themselves, why does that bother you?

You're correct, religion can be very destructive. ISIS is a religious group. ISIS adherents are very clear that their motivations are grounded in faith, and their actions are directly tied to religious scripture. Week after week, they publish the specific Koranic justification for their most gruesome acts, whether it is the beheading of apostates and Christians, throwing gay people off of high buildings, stoning to death women accused of adultery, or the enslaving of women and children.

Religious people call atheists egotistical but in reality, I think it's egotistical to think that out of all religions in the universe, yours is the only correct one and you somehow how some type of relationship with the diety that created everything in entire universe.

It's egotistical to think that out of all religions in the universe, none of them are correct.

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Before Christianity was a religion there was an Egyptian religion with almost the same story to the T, except replace Jesus with Horus

And Christians think the story of Jesus is unique

I love both the book and movie: The Egyptian

Fictional story that references what you're correctly talking about -- the ancient Egyptian beliefs that mysteriously get parroted in Judeo-Christian holy books. Most Christians have no clue... ignorance is bliss.

Nothing new under the sun, fellas......

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I like some of what you said there Bobby, but one thing I hope you realize, we die... The flesh dies, and it is no longer us, but it is He who lives in us... It's His Holy Spirit guiding and enhancing His goodness in us through these gifts of the Holy Ghost, so no one can boast that it is them, themselves... We do good works, but we are just vessels, tools, for His work.. We can't take the credit " we don't make our lives better because of Him " He makes our lives better because of Him..

so it's not both reasons... And we are doing it, because that's what He draws us to do, it's all about Him, not us.

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I love both the book and movie: The Egyptian

Fictional story that references what you're correctly talking about -- the ancient Egyptian beliefs that mysteriously get parroted in Judeo-Christian holy books. Most Christians have no clue... ignorance is bliss.

Nothing new under the sun, fellas......

Hi bite,

hope you're doing ok,

here's a film, you should check out... These theories echo loudly from the recent zeitgeist film, that was probably backed by lucis trust ( don't know about that part, haven't studied where the backing for zeitgeist came from )

This is a film that exposes the falsities of those such claims, very informative if you have the 80 minutes or able to check some of it out,

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Freezer you need to research some historical facts in places other than YouTube, buddy.

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Freezer you need to research some historical facts in places other than YouTube, buddy.

why attack YouTube, why not attack the facts the young man has presented? I find it a library of both useful info, and tons of disinfo... Just takes some sifting and understanding..

History is there for anyone to search it out, this just takes some determination, and not that much really... Back in the day, we would have to get to a library, and go through a lot of books to find the smallest info we were looking for, today with online search engines, brief studies of others findings and just being able to piece the facts together, is pretty amazing, ... Right at our finger tips. I guess it comes down to what some thinks it profits a man to do so, some just pure laziness or just uninterested ... I'm not here to convince, just plant seeds, it's on the individual to be willing for the journey, and hear the Gospel of Christ... The kingdom of God is at hand.

ever heard of this guy? Suetonius?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suetonius_on_Christians

peace to you, bite

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I like some of what you said there Bobby, but one thing I hope you realize, we die... The flesh dies, and it is no longer us, but it is He who lives in us... It's His Holy Spirit guiding and enhancing His goodness in us through these gifts of the Holy Ghost, so no one can boast that it is them, themselves... We do good works, but we are just vessels, tools, for His work.. We can't take the credit " we don't make our lives better because of Him " He makes our lives better because of Him..

so it's not both reasons... And we are doing it, because that's what He draws us to do, it's all about Him, not us.

Think I realize our flesh dies, but our soul will live for eternity. I believe this short life is a test. Whether we believe in God & repent sins, will depend where our soul goes for eternity.

To me it's both reasons, as I'm serving God & my beliefs simultaneously.

This is my faith, which millions of other people share. If we happen to be wrong so be it, no worse off than Atheists. If non-believers are wrong, my belief is these helpless souls will jump in the lake of fire:

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You need to cross reference what you find via vetted historical archives/documents/institutions, Freezer.

YouTube and many other internet sites do not satisfy that criteria -- sorry to inform.

Thanks for your genuine concern for my health; I likewise wish you nothing but health & happiness to you & yours.

At your core I know you are a good man... albeit misguided, IMHO.

BTW, historical Jesus and the Jesus depicted in the Bible (his acts, miracles, etc) are two separate schools of thought, entirely.

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You need to cross reference what you find via vetted historical archives/documents/institutions, Freezer.

YouTube and many other internet sites do not satisfy that criteria -- sorry to inform.

Thanks for your genuine concern for my health; I likewise wish you nothing but health & happiness to you & yours.

At your core I know you are a good man... albeit misguided, IMHO.

BTW, historical Jesus and the Jesus depicted in the Bible (his acts, miracles, etc) are two separate schools of thought, entirely.

I can agree with 98% of this post, other then me being misguided, and knowing what " vetted " info we are accepting and from where, and with who's agenda to weigh in a particular way... My main line, is we can't disprove it, it's withstood the test of time. Even the order of Adam, Cain and Abel, down to Seth in the rest, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ... The chronological order is there and it quietly stands amongst Semites today.
I can assure it wasn't just Egyptians or " Sumerians " ... as they leave the " misguided " to believe ( a few hundred dollar books ) in a history class at our local colleges ... If we look any deeper, its all looked at in a very " supposed " way ... It should all seem a little strange, and we should be willing to step out on faith, we have to believe something though... Rather ape ancestors or Semitic ones ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic-speaking_peoples

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant

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I can agree with 98% of this post, other then me being misguided, and knowing what " vetted " info we are accepting and from where, and with who's agenda to weigh in a particular way... My main line, is we can't disprove it, it's withstood the test of time. Even the order of Adam, Cain and Abel, down to Seth in the rest, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ... The chronological order is there and it quietly stands amongst Semites today.
I can assure it wasn't just Egyptians or " Sumerians " ... as they leave the " misguided " to believe ( a few hundred dollar books ) in a history class at our local colleges ... If we look any deeper, its all looked at in a very " supposed " way ... It should all seem a little strange, and we should be willing to step out on faith, we have to believe something though... Rather ape ancestors or Semitic ones ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic-speaking_peoples

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant

To add, there is a lot of happenings between Adam, Cain, and Seth to the nation of the Hebrew people where the promise was established with Abraham ..

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knowing what " vetted " info we are accepting and from where

vetted = scholarly studies or treatises by experts in specific academic field(s), citing irrefutable historical artifacts/documents to illuminate the veracity of said study or treatise


... and not just some guy with a YouTube account with an agenda to tilt things however one wants to tilt them to advance their own particular agenda.