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Your ignorance of scientific facts is astounding. The near death experiences you are eluding to have been re-created in laboratories around the world for 40 yrs. When the parts of the brain that die first from oxygen depravation are stimulated and tricked into thinking it is dying, all participants experience the same thing. They are floating over their body with people around their body. They enter a tunnel with a bright light at the end of it. When going to the light figures from their past are seen. This is how the brain reacts when it thinks it is dying. People hallucinate when in this happens. Once again, scientific fact. You should look into science. It answers questions with factual data, not mythical sun gods.Comment -
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The bible was written by man back in the day when man thought the world was flat. In other words, man wasn't half as smart as we are today.
Everything that used to happen in life was explained as being caused by God.
As people evolved and became more intelligent, people started figuring out there were other reasons why things happen. Ex. Night, Day, rain, snow, wind, earthquakes etc.
So as man became more intelligent, less and less things were explained as being acts of God.
I can name several things that people used to think were caused by God but now we know they weren't. I can't name one thing that people said was caused by God that we have actually verified was caused by God.
Even if you believe in God, that means you believe in a cruel and unfair diety that killed his own son and is sending the majority of the human race to hell.
In the bible it says most people won't goto heaven. If God was an "all loving being" why would he design a system that sends the majority of the human race to hell?
There are thousands of religions and they all think they're right yet they all believe different things. It's kind of arrogant.
It's hard to prove to people that something that doesn't exists....doesn't exist.Comment -
Are you saying with 100% validity that nothing we don't currently know of exists? So if you lived in Ancient Egypt instead of today in 2016 then you would of told me the same thing you're saying now about airplanes and helicopters. You would've told me that certainly no flying plane exists. Before the existence of Copernicus you would've had a completely different view on the solar system. You could say aliens don't exist, making you an alien Atheist, so what if they touchdown on Earth next year? See what your problem is. Atheism means that it's not possible to exist. That you can conclusively prove that a "God" cannot exist. Agnosticism means that you don't think one exists, that you're skeptical but that there is still a possibility that it does and has not yet been discovered or conclusively proved. I'm Agnostic cause I'm not blind or stupid. Are you planning on just ignoring new facts, data and the scientific process for the rest of your life? If you are, then that's just asinine. If you aren't then you're actually Agnostic.Comment -
God = love. Prove (or disprove) that love exists. There are countless verses is the Bible that portray God as a loving God. There are also numerous verses that show a judgemental God. We as humans can't begin to understand God, we are simply not equipped to have the ability to know all God knows. Whether you believe or not that is your choice, God has given us all free will.Comment -
Carolina capper is correct....God,our creator,doesn't need to prove his existence....look out your window.....it's all his creation, with the chose of feel will.....like a groom chooses a bride.....not by force,but free will.....we can say yes,or no......he's got nothing to prove to anyone! Also, God didn't kill his only son,man did.....Jesus took a beating.....major beating for all of us,even the doubters or those that refuse to believe and trust what Jesus taught. Yes....many will not get to heaven....but not by God chose.....it will be by our own.Comment -
Ps....I'm really not sure there is a real person or persons typing their thoughts and feelings about a certain topic.....I have no proof other than letters formed together in sentences stating we need science to prove of their existence.........God even love idiots....he invented them!Comment -
Ok guys debates of this kind usually are around for centuries, but i prayed about things that i needed help with every 3-4 months usually and i can say i can recall maybe only one time it didnt come true, so if god helped me, why deny his existance? I mean i cannot explain why stuff like that works but it would be silly to deny this experienceComment -
Lmao. Exactly.As Dan Gilbert (owner of the Cleveland Cavs) stated last night... "God has blessed the good people of Cleveland and in Ohio." Basically Gilbert insinuated God loves the people of Cleveland more. They deserved it.
But how come God didn't bless the people in G.S. land or California last night?
When that Malaysia Airlines plane went missing they interviewed a family that missed the flight because they were running late or something.
They thanked God.....
So did God hate everyone else on that plane?
If a tornado comes through and destroys my home and everything in it am I supposed to praise God I'm alive even though he just destroyed everything I have?
It makes no sense.
Some of the biggest hypocrites I've met in my entire life have presented themselves as "Christian" and then behind the scenes they are cheating on their wives and doing all sorts of bad things.
Man is no different than it was thousands of years ago. For things we aren't smart enough to explain, there is a sect of mankind that still uses God to explain it.
Like I've said, there are several things man used to think we're caused by God (rain, wind, night, day, etc) but as we progress, we learn God isn't the reason stuff happens.
I'm open minded but I need evidence to believe things.
The Muslims in the Middle East that rape and kill believe in God too. I think it's pretty arrogant that there are thousands of religions and everyone thinks "their" religion is the correct one.Comment -
There is one. You just gotta have faith.
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You haven't thought about this much, have you?
If you are alive, why wouldn't you thank God? Thanking God for something has nothing to do with what happens to others, right/wrong/indifferent. Just like excusing yourself has nothing to do with what others do (ie your sins or misfailings), but we all do it because we all lie to ourselves, or are deceived, here and there.
The Russians have a saying, "No one goes to heaven because of other people's sins" --- Think about that for a while.
Because people are liars or cheats, or deceivers (Christians who were adulterers, etc.) has nothing to do with the holiness of God, or truth for that matter
Socrates showed long ago there can't be multiple Gods. If people believe different things about God, clearly they don't believe in the same god, so some are in error (for example, beliefs between muslims and christians are diametrically opposed, one of them must be wrong).
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I'm not telling you what to believe, or giving you evidence, just showing you that what you are saying is inconsistent and illogical. I hope you see that.Comment -
Don't forget about the 72 verses that make pre-marital sex one of the worst sins one can commit, even though 70% of all Christians have had pre-marital sex. When you just have to ask Jesus for forgiveness I guess anything goes.
Don't forget the verses about God flooding the earth to kill mankind because he was upset at the flaws in people he created in his image. Except Noah and his family of course. He built the arc when he was 600 yrs old with his 2 100 yr old sons. Noah lived to be 900 yrs old. I guess Obamacare was in place back then as well.
Don't forget about the verses that tell you how to treat your slaves if you came from the proper class system. The Bible is based on a class system that makes the 1950's Alabama look liberal as far as classes.
Don't forget about the verses that tell you woman are made from the rib of man to serve man. They also are not allowed to speak in church. I guess that's why women have struggled for equal treatment all over the world. All Holy texts read this way.
Don't forget about the verses that say homosexuality is an abomination and must be destroyed. Not a lot of love there. All religions are the reason gay people are still under attack today. Remember what God did to an entire city in the Bible because of this.
Don't forget about stoning adulterous women to death. That is still an ongoing theme in some countries.
Don't forget about the verses that COMMAND you to kill people who work on Sunday. I guess if you can go to jail by following the Bible, people think twice about it.
Don't forget the verses that God wants to kill you if you unwittingly worship a statue too much, even though they still have God in their mind. Kill em'.
Don't forget the verses that tell you a man lived in a whale for 3 days.
I could go on forever since the book is full of complete nonsense, discrimination against many groups and physical impossibilities.
Ah yes the Bible, that infallible book of facts and love. Please remember that the definition of faith is "the temporary suspension of logical thought to reach a desired ideal". Faith is by definition irrational.
Be glad we have the religious freedoms we have in this country. It allows people to discriminate and hate legally.Comment -
All I do is drop facts and logic on you and your only response is just babble and name calling. If anyone is confused it's you! I've never met someone before, until you, that claimed to believe in the Scientific Process but that holds diametrical, hypocritical stances on such. I've already pointed out in previous replies to you why your view is hypocritical. Furthermore you keep changing the subject to religion. I've never brought up religion and it's irrelevant to the topic. The question is, "Does a God exist?"
If we were able to meet up in person and discuss this hypothesis, you would find that our views are very similar. There's about 1% that we disagree on, 99% that we agree on. My view is not a religion, so I wish not to try to convert you to it. Meaning, I don't care what you believe and I don't care if you have the same view that I do or not. Other intellectuals have already validated my view. What state do you live in anyway? It would be quite a coincidence if we happened to live near each other.
Here's a list of famous people throughout history that have held or hold the same view on this topic as myself. I think you might recognize a few of the names. Confucius, Kant, Darwin, Einstein, Hubble, Sagan, Tyson, Buffett, Musk etc. It's not too late to jump on the bandwagon, especially with such scientifically literate pupils already aboard.
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Don't forget about God creating the earth in 6 days ....
also don't forget about who came to fulfill the law, Jesus Christ ... and what did He say.
Matthew 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
don't forget, He said this as well...
Luke 6:28
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you
These are Words out of the mouth of Jesus Christ.
Or you can just believe the big bang ape deal ... It's all on faith, what do you have faith in?Comment -
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I fail to see where I have been hypocritical on this subject. Ok, let's talk about only a God and not religion. It is quite obvious religion is man made. So where did the idea of a God come other than religion?????? Nowhere. I know how the universe and the earth were created. I know how human beings got here. Nothing created by any God. So what does this God of yours do, exactly, if not that???
Even the ancient Greeks and others knew their Gods were mythical. Why is this one real???
Also, people who's brains are dying from lack of oxygen don't really provide accurate hallucinations. If that is supposed to prove anything then your perception of reality is worse than I thought. Love is an emotion created through evolution. So are all the other emotions we have as well. Pretty simple.Comment -
Uh yeah. That's what I'm saying. The bible says there is only one God yet there are thousands of religions that believe different things about God.
Using basic logic, that means the majority of religions can't be right.
Muslims that kill and rape believe just as strongly in God as Christians in America. The irony is that everyone is so arrogant to believe their way is the right way.Last edited by BigDofBA; 06-22-16, 05:21 PM.Comment -
like I said... read these.
The Letters of Ignatius of Antioch
Martyr Saint Ignatius of Antioch (35 A.D. - 108 A.D.)Comment -
Excellent post. The bible says one thing in one verse, and then contradicts itself in another, yet people think it has the answer to everything.
It shouldn't surprise any logical thinking person though. It's a book. Books are written by man. This is why religion evolves over time. Man can just revise it over and over again to fit.
Man wrote the Bible and Koran yet people think it's somehow evidence that a God exists???? What?
I grew up in a religious household but some of the most hypocritical people I've met in my entire life are religious. If you believe in that stuff, at the very least you could practice what you preach.
Does anyone that believes in religion find it odd that people who lived in whales, lived to be 900, rose from the dead, or walked on water don't do these things anymore?
If the bible said all of his really happened, why did God suddenly stop doing these things and why has none of it happened in anyone's life time? It would surely be the evidence we need.
Am I just supposed to believe all of this happened but God just decided to quit doing it one day?Last edited by BigDofBA; 06-22-16, 06:35 PM.Comment -
I have no atheist friends that mistreat people. We all value all human life, unlike religious people. No discrimination here. We practice what their Jesus preaches all while knowing he is fictitious. Also, the threat of going to hell does not exist with us. It is really not a hard concept. Don't need a fake savior to tell me that.
I get a kick out of all the Christian and Muslims that are standing with the gay community in Orlando. The religions they worship are the reasons gays have been persecuted since man began. Pretty ironic, huh.
To be fair, I know a ton of great people who are religious. I have no idea how they justify believing religions that preach hate while being nice people themselves.Comment -
I find it hilarious you are so arrogant that you actually think you know what happens to everyone when they die. No living person knows what it is like to be dead. Maybe that's all she wrote. I guess we will have to wait and find out. Your fairytales do crack me up though.Comment -
Same. It bothers me that Atheists or Agnostic people get a bad rap. We're still good people just like many religious people are good people.
Also, watch a conversation between an atheist and religious person. "Most" of the time the Atheist is calm and respectful but when the Atheist asks tough questions, the Christian will start getting mad and raise their voice or have a meltdown.
One time I asked a religious person why they would never do certain things. They responded that they the bible advises them not to and they didn't want to goto hell. I told them I choose to do the right things just because I strive to be a good person.
I honestly don't see how any human can 100% believe in God. Even if you fake it to gain acceptance from society or feel good about yourself you would have to have doubts.
Do people believe someone walked on water?
Do people really believe someone lived to be 900?
I mean come on. There is a reason no one on this planet has ever seen those types of things happen. It's all just a story.
The bible is nothing more than a collection of fables. Sometimes there are good morals to be learned and other times the story contradicts other morals in the book.
Sometimes the book teaches you to love one another and other times it tells you to discriminate against certain groups.Last edited by BigDofBA; 06-22-16, 07:04 PM.Comment -
I just believe we are all energy. If you look at your hand under a microscope, all you see is energy,you don't see a hand. Energy can't be created nor destroyed. I believe we will exist in some way shape or form even if our physical body dies. As funny as this sounds, I don't believe in a god, but I beleive we are all powerful creatures with powers that we have yet to unlock. No, I'm not religious, far from it in fact. But, some people, not saying no names (cough.cough)(brainfreeze) will twist my belief into being religious.lol
I just do the opposite as what the government says in normal. I eat NO FOOD EVER. Food destroys the divine power you have in you. I also drink my own PISS. I must be some fked up retard. I stare at The Sun daily for hours. I will never believe something that is TAX FREE, such as the government and RELIGION. But, I do the complete opposite of what people assume is normal. But, in the end, I'm in the best shape of my life and I'm 35 years old. Everyone I meet mistakes me for an 18 year old and are in total shock when I tell them I'm 35 years old. It's what keeps me going, reversing age and finding out the real truth.
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Yet somehow, your opinion about death isn't hilarious & arrogant?
False. Many have died & were brought back to life. Their experiences of what they saw & heard while dead are very well documented & unexplained by your scientific facts. I suggest you do a YouTube search on near death experiences & educate yourself.No living person knows what it is like to be dead.
Here's the difference: If my faith is wrong, I'll be no worse off than you when 6 feet under. But if I'm right, Atheists will be suffering in eternal Hell, while I'll be in the book of life enjoying eternal paradise. You may want to think about how short this life is, compared to an eternal afterlife.Maybe that's all she wrote. I guess we will have to wait and find out.
But if you prefer to play Russian Roulette with your soul, that's your poor decision.Comment -
So with no food, you survive on your regenerated piss alone? It stands to reason, you would have had to initially drink something other than urine, to create your 1st piss. Warm piss on a hot summer day doesn't sound very refreshing, how's the taste? As a baby, your Mom gave you urine in a bottle instead of milk?
I must be some fked up retard.
Do you wear sunglasses, have you gone blind yet?I stare at The Sun daily for hours.Comment -
Your statement proves what I've been saying this entire time.
It's really hard for me to believe that people believe in God 100% without a shadow of a doubt. I think despite their doubts, they want to give the "perception" that they are "believers" in case all of it is true. This is because they are afraid of Hell and what happens when they die.
Back to your statement, if everyone that believes in religion is wrong, then they are definitely different than me. If you believe in religion and you're wrong, you wasted your entire existence worshiping something that doesn't exist and wasted your time on Earth when you could have been doing other things.
There are people that are blowing themselves up and committing suicide in the Middle East all in the name of God. Are these people better off than the Atheist and Agnostic folks that are relaxing and enjoying life?
Is the monk that spends every waking hour in devotion to God going to be no different than me if I'm right and he is wrong?
The fact that you have to justify your beliefs like that just shows me that even you have doubts regardless if you admit or not.
Again, my entire family is religious so I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just speaking from my point of view.Comment
