GOD

[brainfreeze]

... Be what you were born to be, a child of God.

Once you do this, you will see things that defy our logic and understanding... What I'm trying to tell you is He supersedes it. Just have small faith, and KEEP IT, then watch it grow, and watch how He blesses you. Watch how He shows you how important you are to Him.

Ps, I see things that defy our human logic at random... I'm still amazed by it, I remember them, some stay on my mind for a while. I know how much God cares about us, how serious this life is, and what we were meant to know.. that lucifer wants to hide, and put walls up, mazes, and confusion... with like you said 70 different denominations and 40k different religions .. but it's possible to get His understanding... Just ask, seek and you will find.

[bigtymer56]

Why is it so hard to believe that man lived to 900? That's kind of a easy one to believe to me, the walking on water, and rising the dead ( Lazarus ) pulling gold out of a fishes mouth caught from the sea... Now this stuff can be hard to believe, I don't think you are crazy, and I understand your logic.. I kind of thought that way to, I didn't know what to believe. Once I figured you can't really trust anything mainstream, and we all need to honestly study and do our own research, not blindly follow people who think they know with whatever credentials and then them themselves turn Christian on their death bed, leading plenty astray along the way.

Oh the irony. Being Christian is about as mainstream as it gets.

PS. Gold being found in fish is way more believable than dudes living to be 900 years old.

[brainfreeze]

Oh the irony. Being Christian is about as mainstream as it gets.

PS. Gold being found in fish is way more believable than dudes living to be 900 years old.

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Ps. I guess, if you see it that way, I mean we live in this age to a hundred or so, 800 more years isn't a astronomical amount to me, things were different then.... Don't see how that's so hard to believe.

[TheAntFather]

People do make recoveries but you can't prove its because of God.

Religious people cherry pick. If something good happens all praise is to God. If something bad happens it's not god's fault.

If God existed and had such great powers why would they get sick in the first place? Does God just like to watch people suffer?

Bingo. Christians are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

[BigDofBA]

Ok, let's start like this, we had to start somewhere right? We are at 7 billion people now, we were at 5 billion some 50 years or so ago.. And so on and so on... If we could go back far enough we would be at 2 Adam then Eve, then Cain, Abel, and Seth ... Now, one must have knowledge that when Cain was banished, he settled outside of Israel, in the land of Canaan. As he got older he got familar with other offspring of Eve, so now he had offspring, and he wasn't right with God, and the promise wasn't established yet ( that came to Abraham and his son Isaac ) so this is where other people like Sumerians and Egyptians come from, these were a people far from God.

Then the lineage, ...and yes they lived a very long time, Adam was over 900, but the promise came through ( Abraham, his son Isaac, and his son Jacob ) these were the chosen, these were the ones who were right by God, who's heart was in the right place. Who lived and knew God was everything, and without Him we were nothing.

Why is it so hard to believe that man lived to 900? That's kind of a easy one to believe to me, the walking on water, and rising the dead ( Lazarus ) pulling gold out of a fishes mouth caught from the sea... Now this stuff can be hard to believe, I don't think you are crazy, and I understand your logic.. I kind of thought that way to, I didn't know what to believe. Once I figured you can't really trust anything mainstream, and we all need to honestly study and do our own research, not blindly follow people who think they know with whatever credentials and then them themselves turn Christian on their death bed, leading plenty astray along the way.

Your not crazy, you have just been following the world to long... Be what you were born to be, a child of God.

With all due respect, your explanation still didn't answer my question. The only reason you have to believe that someone lived to be 900 was because of the Bible correct?

My stance is that he Bible isn't 100% factual because science has proven that the Earth is billions of years old. This disproves what the Bible says. The Bible also contradicts itself several times throughout.

You also said "we had to come from somewhere".....I agree but how do you know it was God?

Christians will say that everything had to be created by something and that something is God.

Why can't religion answer who created God?

[brainfreeze]

With all due respect, your explanation still didn't answer my question. The only reason you have to believe that someone lived to be 900 was because of the Bible correct?

My stance is that he Bible isn't 100% factual because science has proven that the Earth is billions of years old. This disproves what the Bible says. The Bible also contradicts itself several times throughout.

You also said "we had to come from somewhere".....I agree but how do you know it was God?

Christians will say that everything had to be created by something and that something is God.

Why can't religion answer who created God?

That's right, the Bible said it, I believe it ALL to be true, including the prophecies ( that have already came to pass ) and methuselah son of Enoch was 969 .. he died around the time of the great flood.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah

can you deny the prophecies that have came to pass? Here's 13 of them..

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

Ps, No one created God, he is the Alpha and the Omega ... The beginning and the end.

[BigDofBA]

That's right, the Bible said it, I believe it ALL to be true

So you believe the Bible over Science?

That's fine. I can respect your beliefs and we can disagree. At least you're straight forward and don't tip toe around things.

I really would need to see someone or know someone that lived to be 900. I would need to see someone walk on water or have proof.

If God was real and he had all of this power, it really would be hard for him to prove he was real.

[brainfreeze]

So you believe the Bible over Science?

That's fine. I can respect your beliefs and we can disagree. At least you're straight forward and don't tip toe around things.

I really would need to see someone or know someone that lived to be 900. I would need to see someone walk on water or have proof.

If God was real and he had all of this power, it really would be hard for him to prove he was real.

Again bidD, the man that made the MRI (scan) machine is Christian .. Can you say he hates science and inventing? Doesn't make since, this is where I don't understand your logic...

God will show you things if you trust Him, He doesn't come at your beck and whim to come walk water for you to believe Him, just not how it works. If He wanted that He would've made robots.

God is real, others and I have stated there have been miracles witnessed ... but you don't believe or trust us, and all I ask is you trust Him, step out on a leap of faith, and trust Him. Get into your Bible, go to a baptist bible study if you want, just start becoming interested in learning about Him.

Only then hen will He start to give you the understandings and explanations you want. He doesn't owe us anything, He gifts us because He loves us..

[Papa_jonjon]

Amen!

[bobbywaves]

God is watching you.

Correct, God watches everyone.

He's very disappointed in you non-believers.

[BigDofBA]

Correct, God watches everyone.

He's very disappointed in you non-believers.

How do you know God is a he?

Anyway, why is it ok to question everything in life except religion, an ancient way of explaining the world?

People should base their beliefs off of facts. Religion bases facts off of beliefs. It's an ass backwards way of thinking.

People shouldn't believe something just because a book that was written 3000 years ago tells them to or they were born into a certain religion.

If you worship something you don't know exists just so you might goto heaven if you're right, you have no morality.

If you think the entire universe was created by a diety just for "man's" benefit, you are mistaking and ignoring science.

If you believe in a God that sent his son to die for you, you believe it took murder and human sacrifice to help you. That's an ancient, ass backwards way of thinking.

Religious people hate science because science discredits the bible's explanation of the origin of man thus it also discredits the idea of heaven.

When you die...it's over. You should cherish your time on earth, love the time with your family, and leave a legacy so your life will live on after you're dead.

The human mind wasn't smart enough back in the day to explain things so they invented religion. As we evolve we're learning and it's a beautiful thing.

The human mind wants to believe in something greater so they pick and choose from the bible while ignoring the terrible things in the bible. If you want to believe that's your right. I think it's non-sense and I'm not going to live my life based on something that isn't proven to exist.

[xdodger19]

SInce the first humans were created genetically perfect and this was before the flood
Yes man lived to be 900 years.

God created man without genetic flaws, and then God shortened man's life span to 120 years max after the flood
EVer since our first parents mankind has been genetically degrading generation to generation.
At the same time there are medical advances, however genetic diseases increase each generation.
This is called genetic entropy.

God is a father it says so in the Bible

Your question why is it ok to question everything except religion.
You can questiion whatever you like..
Your question makes no sense. You have a false presupposition that reason and any belief with the label religion are at odds. Christianity and reason are in accord so your statement is absurd.
Your question should simply start with where does live come from, no need to label anything as religion or not religion which makes no sense

People should believe the Bible because its true
Your assertion is a logical fallacy built on a false presupposition that anything written in the past is false.
Not logical


If you worship something you don't know exists just so you might goto heaven if you're right, you have no morality.

1. God does exist, so that makes no sense. 2. You are bearing false witness, people do not just worship God to go to heaven. You sound like an atheist, lies, misrepresentations all the classic hallmarks.
Im guessing you don't really care about the answers.
2. You claim to be moral, Thats a false presupposition so your assertion makes no sense

If you think the entire universe was created by a diety just for "man's" benefit, you are mistaking and ignoring science.

If you believe in a God that sent his son to die for you, you believe it took murder and human sacrifice to help you. That's an ancient, ass backwards way of thinking.


Classic atheist tries to call the greatest gift and act of love of all human history
and reframe at as something bad. That's how atheists are
To the impure nothing is pure -Titus
WHich is just bearing false witness, one of the ten commandments


You lied by claiming your beliefs are based on science, that's what all lying atheists say.
Then they call you a name after they lie. Atheism is simple, first they lie and call their claims reason, or science, Then they call people names. Just dont believe atheists when they claim to love reason or science because its not true.



Religious people hate science because science discredits the bible's explanation of the origin of man thus it also discredits the idea of heaven.


this is a lie, and no one is defending a group of beliefs called religion,
You think animals mate and turn into people is science, what a lie
And Only God can create life initially,
You believe in spontaneous generation, which is proven impossible by the Bible and science.
So you are simply lying, which proves you don't care what the truth is.
2thess 2 since they had no love for the truth, God shall send them a strong delusion
so they all may be damned

[xdodger19]

When you die, if you are unsaved your soul goes immedietly to hell
The saved are gone to heaven in Spirit.

The human mind wasn't smart enough back in the day to explain things so they invented religion. As we evolve we're learning and it's a beautiful thing.

Your statement is built on false presupposition that evolution is true
EVolution does not exist, so your statement makes no sense
SO its lying.
Atheists lies are built on lots of false facts and presuppositions.

Ronald reagan said its not that liberals are ignorant, its just that they know
so many things that aren't so.

[xdodger19]

The human mind wants to believe in something greater so they pick and choose from the bible while ignoring the terrible things in the bible. If you want to believe that's your right. I think it's non-sense and I'm not going to live my life based on something that isn't proven to exist.


You don't know the will of all mankind thats ridiculous
So you lied again with a false presupposition that people believe for some reason you made up that isnt true
Atheists dont need proof for anything another false presupposition that atheists need proof which implies
atheists have integrity which is not true Atheists believe animals turn into people despite basic biology
So i don't believe atheists care about evidence, or the strength of an argument
They all are just fools like the Bible says

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Few things from Freezer's last couple of posts responding to my posts:

you sound like you know a little bit of the bible biter, that's a start anyway..

Uh, Freezer... I went to Catholic School... k thru 8. Did you know in addition to the 3 R's the nuns spent around an hour a day in class on Bible/religion? Oh, then there was hardcore Bible study in the summers, which I attended. "a start anyway"... lol... you really don't get it. It's not that I don't know The Bible, buddy; in my day, I could run circles around all that you know NOW. Oh, then all the Catechism I attended as a young teen @ nights, let's not forget about that, too. Ah, no... I know all about The Bible, that isn't the issue. *DRUMROLL*: I reject The Bible (that is, as what it was taught to me to represent, i.e., holy writings blah blah... while conceding some profundities exist within: "Do unto others...", for example.)

So... you needn't 'lead' me anywhere. I've already BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... moons ago. But then as a later teen (~16) I began to think for myself on such matters of life/death, and all that indoctrination (which so many people can *never* break free from, as evidenced in this thread, btw) well, all that religious indoctrination started to easily fall to the wayside when I started applying logic, science, critical thinking/reasoning, etc. to the World we live in. Fact is, The Bible doesn't hold up under honest, unbiased, intellectual critical analysis. Only "faith" can save the Bible, not anything else, intellectually (same as the other 'holy books').

Again, I'm a FREE THINKER, not an atheist. Look up the actual definition. BOTTOM LINE: None of the religions have it right (though some good can be derived from religion: I learned a lot about Hinduism and Buddhism from a friend I met in the late 80's -- still friends to this day, he teaches religions/spiritual guide near Lee, Massachusetts -- he was with the Maharishi in the 70's during the crazy TM times, The Beatles studying with the Maharishi... he worked w/John Gray & Barbara DeAngelis ("Men are from Mars, Women from Venus" fame, etc.) who were with the Maharishi at the time -- anyway, my friend is steeped in knowledge of religions. I've spent hours upon hours talking to him, extracting the teachings of various religions. I bring all this up to illustrate I'm not just shooting from the hip here and being a religion "hater"... I've punched in my time learning them.

The Angels had a choice bite, some chose to follow lucifer, some stayed faithful to God. Choices bite,

Uh, again, you needn't have to teach me... I KNOW the story. BUT, none of that has anything to do whatsoever in answering the question(s) I posed (you didn't answer BigD's questions either; you just start telling Bible stories/beliefs -- that's *not* answering the questions): I asked, in effect, why didn't God just destroy his creation (Satan) instead of letting Lucifer run amok on innocents for eons. I mean, The Bible tells us that God took swift action (i.e., didn't take eons) against Sodom and Gomorrah for far lesser evils (relative) than what Satan has been doing for years. Another time, 40 days & 40 nights of rain was all that was needed to straighten things out. Why is God dilly-dallying with the most evil of all spirits?... as your Bible story of the fallen angel being cast out of heaven to, SOMEDAY SOON!, I PROMISE!, LUCIFER's END IS COMING!, JUST WAIT!, IT's COMING!, ... well, the Bible story you're telling clearly illustrates God's dilly-dallying on rectifying the Satan situation, especially when contrasted to the other examples I illuminated. Like others have asked: Does God enjoy watching the suffering? Is he a sadist? Or, to describe it in SBR terms: Is God just a degen that loves the ACTION? He can stop Satan, right this second, NOW... he has the power.

Follow along: If President Clinton (uh, head honcho) was omniscient/omnipotent and obviously knew that Timothy McVeigh was going to blow up the Murrah Building, where innocent children in day care were going be blown to little pieces... uh, would we hold Clinton accountable/responsible for DOING NOTHING to stop McVeigh from committing the atrocity? What sins did the infants commit?... pooped their diaper too many times? cried too much for their bottle? Uh, damn right the American people would hold Clinton accountable for not stopping the tragedy. We know this. So... the question is begged: Why don't you and other religious folk hold God accountable for letting Satan run amok for eons and causing such pain, death and destruction to his children? Uh, don't answer... it's rhetorical.

science will never disprove God

Silly statement, because you can't possibly know what science will/won't be able to do as time progresses. Science is ever evolving, always gaining more sophistication; besides, that is a tired old argument refuted countless times: disprove FSM. Follow the same logic? GAME.SET.MATCH

BUT, again, like a lot of things you state, it's got nothing to do with the actual POINT. It doesn't matter whether science can or cannot disprove God (because that is not what determines God's existence or lack thereof... get it?).

What do you think happens next? I hope you don't think it all explodes itself in a thousand pieces and finds itself again, like kabbalah teaches.

As a FREE THINKER, I don't ascribe to any religious teachings. I decide for myself. Remember, science guy: Did you even know that particles have been proven to exist in more than 1 place *at the same time*, at the quantum level of reality? Did you know we and the world we live in are made of these particles? Did you know evidence suggests multiple/parallel universes can exist? Did you know certain quantum theory models (forever evolving) suggest that every possible outcome for us exists in a parallel plane/universe? Did you know that at the quantum level of reality next-to-nothing behaves as we experience conciously in this physical level? Did you know the math (the revealer of life's truths) goes a long way in backing up these ideas? And on & on & on. What happens next, you ask? This answer should excite you: Eventually... next-to-EVERYTHING.

Order, morals come from God...
I ask you, where do morals come from?
if you were honest, you would have to say Gods laws, His commandments..

lol... ok, this is nonsense based strictly on your biased religious belief system. Has no basis whatsoever in actual FACT. I and many others don't need a religious crutch/dogma to behave morally -- we decide to behave morally on our own (because we know it's in our long term interest to do so).

By your own admission, Freezer, you weren't the greatest acting of fellows when you were younger; you needed religion to reign you in and behave better, more moral. Good that it worked for you and helped. Breaking news: Not everyone needs that religious crutch to behave like they should behave. Similar to what some others have stated in this thread, the most moral people I've encountered (generally speaking) in my life... aren't religious. Save for my Maharishi friend (religious, but unconventional religion... but oh-so-moral). Vast majority of religious folks I've encountered are hypocrites and morally lacking in character. Maybe there's a TURBO RELIGIOUS MORAL CRUTCH WITH P.E.D.'s they can try?

Alllllllrighty then... that's bout enough religious masturbation for me for 1 night. It's not that I'm against masturbation, per se (cuz I'm not!) BUT, when it's of the mental religious kind... it's never ending (cuz religious folks will fluff themselves forever & ever & ever -- just like those dead twins say to Danny in The Shining! -- on the dogma, and it never goes anywhere but constant circles & circles and more illogical circles and will never end. At least when I'm fluffing to Remy LeCroix, Marley Brinx, Jynx Maze, et al..... there's an eventual conclusion and everything gets, er... wrapped up.

out, Freezer

[xdodger19]

That's a lie, when it comes right down to it atheists are liars.
There is no scientific evidence for evolution
all the atheists will do is lie and keep repeating evolution is science
If you think animals turn into people
You are a moron and you are going to hell
You need to learn basic genetics,
Life reproduces after its own kind like the Bible says.

[brainfreeze]

Few things from Freezer's last couple of posts responding to my posts:



Uh, Freezer... I went to Catholic School... k thru 8. Did you know in addition to the 3 R's the nuns spent around an hour a day in class on Bible/religion? Oh, then there was hardcore Bible study in the summers, which I attended. "a start anyway"... lol... you really don't get it. It's not that I don't know The Bible, buddy; in my day, I could run circles around all that you know NOW. Oh, then all the Catechism I attended as a young teen @ nights, let's not forget about that, too. Ah, no... I know all about The Bible, that isn't the issue. *DRUMROLL*: I reject The Bible (that is, as what it was taught to me to represent, i.e., holy writings blah blah... while conceding some profundities exist within: "Do unto others...", for example.

I'm glad you went to a catholic school, but your missing the point, first off you didn't tell the story how it is said, why I questioned your knowledge there of, second, you could study one verse your whole life and never understanding the meaning... and as you know I know the Bible pretty well, and I'm learning new things in the Word all the time. From what I gather here, I suspect you had terrible teachers, let God help...

So... you needn't 'lead' me anywhere. I've already BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... moons ago. But then as a later teen (~16) I began to think for myself on such matters of life/death, and all that indoctrination (which so many people can *never* break free from, as evidenced in this thread, btw) well, all that religious indoctrination started to easily fall to the wayside when I started applying logic, science, critical thinking/reasoning, etc. to the World we live in. Fact is, The Bible doesn't hold up under honest, unbiased, intellectual critical analysis. Only "faith" can save the Bible, not anything else, intellectually (same as the other 'holy books').

Up to you bite, around 16-17 I started to think for myself also, that's when things get a little more serious it seems.. I question how serious did you take the Bible from the beginning ? Did you ever believe? I went to a catholic school for a few years, the one thing I remember was walking the stations, and thinking man, why did they do this to this Man/God.. They really hated Him, I can still feel it for Him, to this very day.., as for logic and science, I'm ok with both, just not ape ancestors.. I don't BELIEVE that or a billion year old earth, or a big bang, al these things take belief.

Again, I'm a FREE THINKER, not an atheist. Look up the actual definition. BOTTOM LINE: None of the religions have it right (though some good can be derived from religion: I learned a lot about Hinduism and Buddhism from a friend I met in the late 80's -- still friends to this day, he teaches religions/spiritual guide near Lee, Massachusetts -- he was with the Maharishi in the 70's during the crazy TM times, The Beatles studying with the Maharishi... he worked w/John Gray & Barbara DeAngelis ("Men are from Mars, Women from Venus" fame, etc.) who were with the Maharishi at the time -- anyway, my friend is steeped in knowledge of religions. I've spent hours upon hours talking to him, extracting the teachings of various religions. I bring all this up to illustrate I'm not just shooting from the hip here and being a religion "hater"... I've punched in my time learning them.
yea, I think freely these days myself, because I'm set free from the bondage of sin. It feels good to. I'm just not into hindu, buddha, or Muslim , judisam stuff... I know about all of them as well, I know what they believe.. and they are wrong.. if that's what you and a few others want to believe is buddha or Hindu ..up to you.. Btw there is a ton of gods in hindu, with a lot of stories for each one, so you do believe in a god, or what do you learn from the hindu?

Uh, again, you needn't have to teach me... I KNOW the story. BUT, none of that has anything to do whatsoever in answering the question(s) I posed (you didn't answer BigD's questions either; you just start telling Bible stories/beliefs -- that's *not* answering the questions): I asked, in effect, why didn't God just destroy his creation (Satan) instead of letting Lucifer run amok on innocents for eons. I mean, The Bible tells us that God took swift action (i.e., didn't take eons) against Sodom and Gomorrah for far lesser evils (relative) than what Satan has been doing for years. Another time, 40 days & 40 nights of rain was all that was needed to straighten things out. Why is God dilly-dallying with the most evil of all spirits?... as your Bible story of the fallen angel being cast out of heaven to, SOMEDAY SOON!, I PROMISE!, LUCIFER's END IS COMING!, JUST WAIT!, IT's COMING!, ... well, the Bible story you're telling clearly illustrates God's dilly-dallying on rectifying the Satan situation, especially when contrasted to the other examples I illuminated. Like others have asked: Does God enjoy watching the suffering? Is he a sadist? Or, to describe it in SBR terms: Is God just a degen that loves the ACTION? He can stop Satan, right this second, NOW... he has the power.


I will tell you why... because God is not a liar, the time lucifer has allotted is what he has. God is a fair God, and has given him time because of the decisions he's made. God loved lucifer before his fall, he has now made his bed, and now as time comes he will lay in it. things must come to pass first, then when it's over, it's over.. and lucifer will have to live in what he has made for himself...a hell.


Follow along: If President Clinton (uh, head honcho) was omniscient/omnipotent and obviously knew that Timothy McVeigh was going to blow up the Murrah Building, where innocent children in day care were going be blown to little pieces... uh, would we hold Clinton accountable/responsible for DOING NOTHING to stop McVeigh from committing the atrocity? What sins did the infants commit?... pooped their diaper too many times? cried too much for their bottle? Uh, damn right the American people would hold Clinton accountable for not stopping the tragedy. We know this. So... the question is begged: Why don't you and other religious folk hold God accountable for letting Satan run amok for eons and causing such pain, death and destruction to his children? Uh, don't answer... it's rhetorical.

We (man) let satan run amuck, not God. Man is the one turning from God, and when we do so, there's only one other way we could be turning...and that's to satan

Silly statement, because you can't possibly know what science will/won't be able to do as time progresses. Science is ever evolving, always gaining more sophistication; besides, that is a tired old argument refuted countless times: disprove FSM. Follow the same logic? GAME.SET.MATCH

hasn't happened, and I know there's a God, therefore I know you won't disprove Him. Some others might get fooled with some hokey pokey stuff drawn up ( by the small scientific community who acts as if they speak for all scientist) me personally, I know better.

BUT, again, like a lot of things you state, it's got nothing to do with the actual POINT. It doesn't matter whether science can or cannot disprove God (because that is not what determines God's existence or lack thereof... get it?

yea, it comes back to faith, without it... Idk what else to say, Faith is a serious thing.

As a FREE THINKER, I don't ascribe to any religious teachings. I decide for myself. Remember, science guy: Did you even know that particles have been proven to exist in more than 1 place *at the same time*, at the quantum level of reality? Did you know we and the world we live in are made of these particles? Did you know evidence suggests multiple/parallel universes can exist? Did you know certain quantum theory models (forever evolving) suggest that every possible outcome for us exists in a parallel plane/universe? Did you know that at the quantum level of reality next-to-nothing behaves as we experience conciously in this physical level? Did you know the math (the revealer of life's truths) goes a long way in backing up these ideas? And on & on & on. What happens next, you ask? This answer should excite you: Eventually... next-to-EVERYTHING.

ok, so you do believe in the particles coming back together then, like in kabbalah? Yea, I'm not in to numbers either, they are deceiving and can be manipulated ( take the economy ) and can be deceptive. We can make numbers mean anything, I stick with Gods holy Word.

lol... ok, this is nonsense based strictly on your biased religious belief system. Has no basis whatsoever in actual FACT. I and many others don't need a religious crutch/dogma to behave morally -- we decide to behave morally on our own (because we know it's in our long term interest to do so).

you just got on me for not answering a question yet you have just done the very same thing. I asked you WHERE DID MORALS COME FROM.. I didn't ask if you need something to " behave morally " I asked you where morals came from?

By your own admission, Freezer, you weren't the greatest acting of fellows when you were younger; you needed religion to reign you in and behave better, more moral. Good that it worked for you and helped. Breaking news: Not everyone needs that religious crutch to behave like they should behave. Similar to what some others have stated in this thread, the most moral people I've encountered (generally speaking) in my life... aren't religious. Save for my Maharishi friend (religious, but unconventional religion... but oh-so-moral). Vast majority of religious folks I've encountered are hypocrites and morally lacking in character. Maybe there's a TURBO RELIGIOUS MORAL CRUTCH WITH P.E.D.'s they can try?

yes, I did need God, I do need God, and without Him, this world wouldn't be at all, period. Not one breath would be taken hold of, if it weren't for Him, never forget that..again you keep talking about behavior, what is morals? Where did it come from? The apes? The muslims? The hindu? ...

Alllllllrighty then... that's bout enough religious masturbation for me for 1 night. It's not that I'm against masturbation, per se (cuz I'm not!) BUT, when it's of the mental religious kind... it's never ending (cuz religious folks will fluff themselves forever & ever & ever -- just like those dead twins say to Danny in The Shining! -- on the dogma, and it never goes anywhere but constant circles & circles and more illogical circles and will never end. At least when I'm fluffing to Remy LeCroix, Marley Brinx, Jynx Maze, et al..... there's an eventual conclusion and everything gets, er... wrapped up.

Yea you got a wife bite, a family ? or are you a single man? Hmmm never mind, man I can't help the way you feel, if you don't like the topic though, there's probably a million other threads to " entertain " yourself with. Have at it
out, Freezer

In bold bite, hope you do more thinking on the topic, you seem pretty closed off, but... Everyone's got a choice.

Peace

[brainfreeze]

SInce the first humans were created genetically perfect and this was before the flood
Yes man lived to be 900 years.

God created man without genetic flaws, and then God shortened man's life span to 120 years max after the flood
EVer since our first parents mankind has been genetically degrading generation to generation.
At the same time there are medical advances, however genetic diseases increase each generation.
This is called genetic entropy.

God is a father it says so in the Bible

Your question why is it ok to question everything except religion.
You can questiion whatever you like..
Your question makes no sense. You have a false presupposition that reason and any belief with the label religion are at odds. Christianity and reason are in accord so your statement is absurd.
Your question should simply start with where does live come from, no need to label anything as religion or not religion which makes no sense

People should believe the Bible because its true
Your assertion is a logical fallacy built on a false presupposition that anything written in the past is false.
Not logical


If you worship something you don't know exists just so you might goto heaven if you're right, you have no morality.

1. God does exist, so that makes no sense. 2. You are bearing false witness, people do not just worship God to go to heaven. You sound like an atheist, lies, misrepresentations all the classic hallmarks.
Im guessing you don't really care about the answers.
2. You claim to be moral, Thats a false presupposition so your assertion makes no sense

If you think the entire universe was created by a diety just for "man's" benefit, you are mistaking and ignoring science.

If you believe in a God that sent his son to die for you, you believe it took murder and human sacrifice to help you. That's an ancient, ass backwards way of thinking.


Classic atheist tries to call the greatest gift and act of love of all human history
and reframe at as something bad. That's how atheists are
To the impure nothing is pure -Titus
WHich is just bearing false witness, one of the ten commandments


You lied by claiming your beliefs are based on science, that's what all lying atheists say.
Then they call you a name after they lie. Atheism is simple, first they lie and call their claims reason, or science, Then they call people names. Just dont believe atheists when they claim to love reason or science because its not true.



Religious people hate science because science discredits the bible's explanation of the origin of man thus it also discredits the idea of heaven.


this is a lie, and no one is defending a group of beliefs called religion,
You think animals mate and turn into people is science, what a lie
And Only God can create life initially,
You believe in spontaneous generation, which is proven impossible by the Bible and science.
So you are simply lying, which proves you don't care what the truth is.
2thess 2 since they had no love for the truth, God shall send them a strong delusion
so they all may be damned

Dodger... Awesome post bro, and the post that follows truth... This thread needed some fresh air, welcome...

God bless

[brainfreeze]

When you die, if you are unsaved your soul goes immedietly to hell
The saved are gone to heaven in Spirit.

The human mind wasn't smart enough back in the day to explain things so they invented religion. As we evolve we're learning and it's a beautiful thing.

Your statement is built on false presupposition that evolution is true
EVolution does not exist, so your statement makes no sense
SO its lying.
Atheists lies are built on lots of false facts and presuppositions.

Ronald reagan said its not that liberals are ignorant, its just that they know
so many things that aren't so.

Yea, pretty much... lies, the world is engulfed in them.. So many ways to get tangled, just goes to show how serious it all really is.. Look at the lengths some will go to hide truth .. Evolution to me is just another religion, and what's dangerous they pass that one off as science, atleast a Hindu calls himself a Hindu, not a scientist...

[maggiethebestdog]

That's a lie, when it comes right down to it atheists are liars.
There is no scientific evidence for evolution
all the atheists will do is lie and keep repeating evolution is science
If you think animals turn into people
You are a moron and you are going to hell
You need to learn basic genetics,
Life reproduces after its own kind like the Bible says.

Wow. How can this level of ignorance be possible in an adult person??? I can't believe you are allowed to go out in public without supervision. This is proof how out of touch with reality religious people are.

[maggiethebestdog]

Yea, pretty much... lies, the world is engulfed in them.. So many ways to get tangled, just goes to show how serious it all really is.. Look at the lengths some will go to hide truth .. Evolution to me is just another religion, and what's dangerous they pass that one off as science, atleast a Hindu calls himself a Hindu, not a scientist...

Evolution is another religion??? You keep getting more and more insane. Now proven scientific facts are religion and fairytales without a shred of evidence are facts??? Wow. You are mentally ill. Without scientists you would not have made it to double digit years. Your mental illness is oblivious to all truth. This "debate" has put a spotlight on how uneducated you people are. You can't acknowledge basic scientific fact. That is when you know you are beyond help.

[brainfreeze]

Evolution is another religion??? You keep getting more and more insane. Now proven scientific facts are religion and fairytales without a shred of evidence are facts??? Wow. You are mentally ill. Without scientists you would not have made it to double digit years. Your mental illness is oblivious to all truth. This "debate" has put a spotlight on how uneducated you people are. You can't acknowledge basic scientific fact. That is when you know you are beyond help.

How about that evolution .., they start out looking better off to me lol


Macro evolution is a fraud... The only thing " proven " is you do no research but love to attack, and call people this or that...

http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/9-scienctific-facts-prove-theory-of.html

[BigDofBA]

Religious people think God has devised a perfect plan and the entire plan was known and orchestrated by God before it even happen. I highly doubt religious people ever take a step back to look at the plan objectively. Here is the plan....

Why God's Plan is Complete Non-sense Part 1

1. Decide to arrange for something other than yourself to exist (humans).

2. Create a being by the name of Lucifer with full knowledge that he will betray you and ultimately cause an infinite amount of suffering.

3. Allow an unfathomably horrible dimension of suffering to exist or allow Lucifer to create it and continue to allow it to exist, do not intervene.

4. Create objective moral actions and make them be what God wants them to be and then punish anyone who objects by labeling it sin.

5. Grant permission to beat one's children with a rod, permission to buy and trade slaves, and require that women not teach or have authority over men and kill anyone who has any interest in worshiping other Gods.

6. Design an imperfect universe in which everything ages. Include biological flaws such as diseases and things that people are born with that they can't help.

7. Create a garden of fruit, that when eaten, contains knowledge of God's objectives and standards. Then create two cognitive beings without knowledge of these standards and instruct them not to eat from the tree which would enlighten them. In other words, design it so that only after eating from the tree they know it was a violation of objective moral standards.

8. Warn these beings that they may die if they eat from the tree but don't follow through...endow a reptile with the ability to speak so he can make a convincing case to the beings to eat from the tree but do not intervene.

9. Make sure the cognitive beings are equipped to reproduce and since one of them has sinned, make sure every subsequent being will be born with a sinful nature, defaulting in a fortune of everlasting torment. Do not allow any of the subsequent beings to be born with a clean slate.

10. Give the beings a soul that will last forever and allow the sinfulness of these beings to be incompatible with your presence and let hell be the only other place they can go once they exit the physical world. DO NOT MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO STOP THIS, such as letting the souls cease to exist after the are dead or allowing them an additional realm to exist.

11. Over time let these beings populate the earth knowing with infallible certainty of course that after so many generations they will disappoint you enough THAT YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO KILL ALL OF THEM in a global flood and start all over from scratch.

12. When this happens, MAKE AN EXCEPTION for one small family, of course God already knows that this family will eventually ultimately disappoint him too, rendering the entire plan of refilling the world futile but God already knows that....

13. Instruct this small disappointment of a family to populate the entire world all over again by way of incest.

14. Declare by until further notice these beings must commit animal sacrifice and other means of senseless violence. Additionally, when certain sins are committed by any of your cognitive beings, order that your beings be murdered.

15. Perform many epic miracles for all to see and INTERVENE OFTEN WITH YOUR PHYSICAL CREATION. Stop the sun in the sky, part the Red Sea, turn rivers into blood, and women into pillars of salt., speak to the thousands from the heavens with a booming voice, but do all of this before these cognitive beings become advanced enough in the areas of Science and communication that they can actually stop and verify these epics acts, make sure you stop performing them all together before this happens.

16. Realize your cognitive beings aren't as aware of your moral code as you thought. Command that your moral code be etched in concrete and taught the masses....most of the moral code will involve worshiping you and remaining loyal to you. (This is the 10 commandments).



Shall I keep going or can you not see the house of cards beginning to collapse?

[PittsburghPlayer]

Evolution is another religion??? You keep getting more and more insane. Now proven scientific facts are religion and fairytales without a shred of evidence are facts??? Wow. You are mentally ill. Without scientists you would not have made it to double digit years. Your mental illness is oblivious to all truth. This "debate" has put a spotlight on how uneducated you people are. You can't acknowledge basic scientific fact. That is when you know you are beyond help.

Brainfreeze means no harm, in fact only love...

and if you write him "insane" one more time.

just don`t.

[brainfreeze]

Religious people think God has devised a perfect plan and the entire plan was known and orchestrated by God before it even happen. I highly doubt religious people ever take a step back to look at the plan objectively. Here is the plan....

Why God's Plan is Complete Non-sense Part 1

1. Decide to arrange for something other than yourself to exist (humans).

2. Create a being by the name of Lucifer with full knowledge that he will betray you and ultimately cause an infinite amount of suffering.

3. Allow an unfathomably horrible dimension of suffering to exist or allow Lucifer to create it and continue to allow it to exist, do not intervene.




?

I'm not going through all these bigd, I'll just show how you are wrong, just in first few.

first one you got right, man was created out of clay by God... and we were made perfect, from HD vision, to brains with a lot of memory, pass that of your computer ( that was just made within last 50 years btw). He did it thousands of years ago. All the way down to organs, blood, and ( no batteries ) He created food that recharges us. All for His pleasure, it pleased us to..

#2 100% wrong... HE DOESNT KNOW SIN, God did not know lucifer was going to betray Him, He does have the answer for his betrayal though.

#3 follows #2 .. We, us, man... Bring sin by following the iniquities of lucifer, there is consequence for sin, you want it stopped? Help people to Jesus.. Otherwise you are only casting doubt, do you know who your helping when you do that, which will allow more sin in to the world ? .... Dats right, lucifer ... That's who you are helping, so stop blaming God

im not going to keep spending time when as I've shown in another post, with all due respect, your logic is a little out of whack. The understanding you have is coming from atheist who don't understand the bible, and you don't seem to be willing to accept the truth yet, but keep shouting about atheist perspectives..

Carry on then bigd ...sigh

[BigDofBA]

I#2 100% wrong... HE DOESNT KNOW SIN, God did not know lucifer was going to betray Him, He does have the answer for his betrayal though.

#3 follows #2 .. We, us, man... Bring sin by following the iniquities of lucifer, there is consequence for sin, you want it stopped? Help people to Jesus.. Otherwise you are only casting doubt, do you know who your helping when you do that, which will allow more sin in to the world ? .... Dats right, lucifer ... That's who you are helping, so stop blaming God

im not going to keep spending time when as I've shown in another post, with all due respect, your logic is a little out of whack. The understanding you have is coming from atheist who don't understand the bible, and you don't seem to be willing to accept the truth yet, but keep shouting about atheist perspectives..

Carry on then bigd ...sigh

The bible says God is all knowing and the most powerful force in the universe.

So God didn't see Lucifer coming? Doesn't hat contradict the notion that God is all knowing?

So God can't stop Lucifer or prevent hell? Doesn't that contradict the Bible's notion that God is the most powerful thing in the universe? So God can do everything but stop Lucifer and Hell?

I don't blame you for not trying to answer the other "concepts" taught by the bible. It's hard to come up with a logical explanation for many of them. I do appreciate your responses though.

[brainfreeze]

The bible says God is all knowing and the most powerful force in the universe.

So God didn't see Lucifer coming? Doesn't hat contradict the notion that God is all knowing?

So God can't stop Lucifer or prevent hell? Doesn't that contradict the Bible's notion that God is the most powerful thing in the universe? So God can do everything but stop Lucifer and Hell?

I don't blame you for not trying to answer the other "concepts" taught by the bible. It's hard to come up with a logical explanation for many of them. I do appreciate your responses though.

He can ... " stop it " but He won't.. Again God is not a liar. He gave lucifer a allotted time, lucifer is now on short time to prove man will curse Him and turn their backs on Him as he (lucifer) did with some angels. This is what lucifer is here to do, he hates you, and is jealous that God loves you now, and not him.

God is the judge, lucifer is our accuser, and he already beguiled Eve in biting the forbidden fruit, so he had one up on us. (original sin) Then God required sacrifice, then ( as prophesied ) He provided Himself a Lamb ... The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ..

Now all we have to do is believe in Jesus and what He did at the cross for us, and let the Holy Spirit work in us ). So, preventing hell? .. YES, He gives us a way! He's called Jesus Christ! He will prevent us from hell,

and thanks for being appreciative of the responses I do give, you just come with long list, why don't you pick the ones most important to you..

[BigDofBA]

He can ... " stop it " but He won't.. Again God is not a liar. He gave lucifer a allotted time, lucifer is now on short time to prove man will curse Him and turn their backs on Him as he (lucifer) did with some angels. This is what lucifer is here to do, he hates you, and is jealous that God loves you now, and not him.

God is the judge, lucifer is our accuser, and he already beguiled Eve in biting the forbidden fruit, so he had one up on us. (original sin) Then God required sacrifice, then ( as prophesied ) He provided Himself a Lamb ... The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ..

Now all we have to do is believe in Jesus and what He did at the cross for us, and let the Holy Spirit work in us ). So, preventing hell? .. YES, He gives us a way! He's called Jesus Christ! He will prevent us from hell,

and thanks for being appreciative of the responses I do give, you just come with long list, why don't you pick the ones most important to you..

I have a long list because I question a lot of things about religion. I feel like that's what any normal human would do. Surely God would understand this. Surely God would appreciate the fact that I don't fake believing in him because I think I get some reward of heaven at the end. Surely God would appreciate I study religions and science and try to find truth.

Anyway, so God can stop Lucifer and Hell but he chooses not to? I thought the Bible said God was a loving God. To me that doesn't seem very loving.

Impregnating a human with your son and then murdering your son so all of humanity can have an option out of hell seems like the most inefficient way to save people to me. Is this really the best he could come up with?

So I'm born into this world and I don't have a choice but to choose to worship a diety or goto hell? This was all God's doing as well. God put me here and made it where I had no other options.

God seems pretty vain using this logic.

[bobbywaves]

How do you know God is a he?

Just like xdodger19 astutely pointed out, "God is a Father it says so in the Bible." Not to mention the many testimonials from people who saw God, via near death experiences. Out of the countless religious movies out there, have you ever seen God depicted as a woman once?

If you read the Bible, you wouldn't ask such a question.

[BigDofBA]

Just like xdodger19 astutely pointed out, "God is a Father it says so in the Bible." Not to mention the many testimonials from people who saw God, via near death experiences. Out of the countless religious movies out there, have you ever seen God depicted as a woman once?

If you read the Bible, you wouldn't ask such a question.

That's what I wanted you to say. You read it in the Bible....how do you know the Bible is 100% accurate? You do realize the Bible has been revised, copied over, translated in different language, etc...

I've read stories about Santa Claus. Hell, I have more proof that could substantiate Santa Claus existence than God. I'v received presents as a kid and left cookies for him that were eaten when I woke up. I even met Santa Claus at the mall and gave him a list of toys I wanted when I was a kid. I ended up getting those toys on Christmas. I experienced it! Using your logic Santa Clause exists correct? Can you prove he doesn't exist?



Anyway Carrying on, here are more questions for religious folks
17. After several thousand years God impregnates a human so she gives birth to God in the physical form.

18. God allows this being who is God's son to grow up and make revisions to God's moral code and also allows other cognitive beings to murder God's son.

19. After God sacrifices his son, for himself, it allows all other beings the opportunity to be forgiven for sin, which God in himself helped to create in the first place.

20. God does not make the sacrifice free. No beings may benefit unless they actually agree it happened. Everyone else is banished to the endless suffering of hell.

21. God refrains from making it clear and obvious these events happened so no being after the first century can be certain or has the luxury of witnessing God's son say or do anything to indicate he was a living God. Again, MAKE SURE THIS ALL HAPPENS BEFORE THE AGE OF SCIENCE AND DISCOVERY so it can not be verified.

22. God makes sure all of these events are authored anonymously by people who were not present at the events, in a language different than what God's son preaches and makes sure these documents state that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.

23. God makes sure that after a few decades the only verification of these documents are copies of copies of copies that have been revised over and over again and IS SURE NOT TO PRESERVE THE DOCUMENTS IN THEIR INITIAL STATE. Ensure they are interrupted many, many ways.

24. God ensures there is no way people can be sure which interpretation of religion is correct and punish the people that are wrong to hell regardless of their intentions.

25. God does not make it clear he exists. God makes sure it's easily debatable, easily questionable, and easily doubtful. God makes sure he allows for billions of souls to be damned to hell because they had not correctly assumed the correct religion.

.................When all is said and done, God demands he be praised for this plan.

[bobbywaves]

Without scientists you would not have made it to double digit years.

So it's now possible to live 9.5 years without scientists, instead of 6 years like you ignorantly claimed here? So God, not medical care was the reason you...

While your "scientists" claimed the average caveman lived for 25 years, without much science going on besides fire.

[brainfreeze]

Just like xdodger19 astutely pointed out, "God is a Father it says so in the Bible." Not to mention the many testimonials from people who saw God, via near death experiences. Out of the countless religious movies out there, have you ever seen God depicted as a woman once?

If you read the Bible, you wouldn't ask such a question.

They mostly assert these lines of questioning from these beliefs ... kabbalah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God_in_Judaism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

funny how wiki doesn't let us copy and paste anymore lol...

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

OK, I'm done wasting my time here but a few things in response before I go:

From what I gather here, I suspect you had terrible teachers, let God help...

Your reading comprehension is not the best, buddy. I was taught by, for all intents and purposes: religious professional experts. Taught and understood perfectly. Here's what you're having trouble grasping: IT'S BEEN REJECTED. Why? It's already been stated why, those that can read & comprehend understand: the beliefs taught didn't hold up under intellectual scrutiny. I want intellect/truth to dominate my belief system, not centuries old indoctrinated myths/superstitions.

I question how serious did you take the Bible from the beginning ? Did you ever believe?

Uh, what could be logically deduced regarding that when someone tells you their indoctrination started formally, by professionals, @ 5yrs old (kindergarten, remember?). In case you once again can't discern the answer, I'll make it amazingly easy: YES, yes I took it seriously, of course I once believed. I was a child being indoctrinated by professional adults.

I went to a catholic school for a few years, the one thing I remember was walking the stations

The Stations of the Cross were outrageously long; we'd by marched from the school to the church for the ritual. BTW, the hardest I've ever been hit in my life (I won all but 1 fight in my life, I've been in my fair share, from a kid thru my Army service up to now) well, the hardest I was ever hit was by a priest, who whacked me from behind when I got in a fight w/a kid named Clifford as we were marching over to the church for the Stations ritual. I had Clifford down and was punching away when the priest knocked me unconscious from behind. I know this because I woke up back in the classroom with my best friend (tending to me) and ol Clifford. They told me what happened. Only the 3 of us were back in the classroom -- everyone else was at the Stations ritual. Happened today, that priest would have been appropriately ARRESTED.

as for logic and science, I'm ok with both,

lol... good one. Your own words disprove that; you choose to believe in unproven religious beliefs over proven, documented science. You can argue otherwise but the evidence doesn't support you. More mental masturbation from you to assuage your mind that you really don't reject logic and science (when in fact, for the most part, you do). One of the many differences between you and I, is: I ADMIT MY REJECTIONS.

I'm just not into hindu, buddha, or Muslim , judisam stuff...

Nor am I.

and they are wrong..

lol... but your religious beliefs are right... wow, I didn't see that one coming.
Btw, won't personalize but in general: those that are deluded, don't comprehend that they are; nature of the beast with delusion, obviously.

if that's what you and a few others want to believe is buddha or Hindu ..up to you..

Uh, reading comprehension, pal. Please work to improve it, for your sake. Learning about something is not buying into it... got it? FREE THINKER, remember? "few others"... lol, unintentional funny stuff... nice.

Btw there is a ton of gods in hindu, with a lot of stories for each one, so you do believe in a god, or what do you learn from the hindu?

*sigh*... reading comprehension, pal. That I learned about their beliefs (from my professional friend) doesn't mean I learned anything FROM them -- can you discern the distinction I'm making here?

I will tell you why... because God is not a liar, the time lucifer has allotted is what he has. God is a fair God, and has given him time because of the decisions he's made. God loved lucifer before his fall, he has now made his bed, and now as time comes he will lay in it. things must come to pass first, then when it's over, it's over.. and lucifer will have to live in what he has made for himself...a hell.

lol... yeah, but God sure is a dawdler! What you say here is nonsensical to the actual question asked, per usual; your M.O. is to evade the actual question, then just launch into dogmatic religious stories thinking you're somehow answering the question. Wrong & tiresome.

We (man) let satan run amuck, not God. Man is the one turning from God, and when we do so, there's only one other way we could be turning...and that's to satan

So you chose to directly respond to my analogy with simplistic dogma, instead of actually answering the questons it posed: Accountability? Why be an apologist? How did the babies' sin and turn away from God? Etc...

Oh, nevermind... I know you don't have any logical answers to the questions that I, BigD, maggie, etc. pose to you, so..... you will always revert to your M.O. -- which, by the way, is not actual THINKING for oneself, but rather, just regurgitating dogmatic speil taught to you by others.

Some others might get fooled with some hokey pokey stuff drawn up ( by the small scientific community who acts as if they speak for all scientist) me personally, I know better.

lol... awesomely (unintentonally) hilarious. KUDOS.
BTW, meant to mention earlier: love how you casually toss in the gays with the murderers and pedophiles when talking about "turning away from God". That is also unintentionally hilarious on your part. KUDOS, again.

ok, so you do believe in the particles coming back together then, like in kabbalah?

*sigh* Seriously, your reading/comprehension is pretty bad. What part of "scientically shown at quantum level of reality that a particle can exist... *wait for it*... in more than 1 place AT THE SAME TIME!" Get it, buddy? Understand the difference between that and "coming back together"? Ah, probably not.

Yea, I'm not in to numbers either, they are deceiving and can be manipulated ( take the economy ) and can be deceptive. We can make numbers mean anything, I stick with Gods holy Word.

Comparing what science does (Einstein anyone?) with the higher maths to what politicians, etc do to economic numbers to prove political agendas is intellectually immature and foolish. So much of what you see around you is due to science/math. How we're communicating right now, in fact. Math can explain life's very existence... ah, but yeah, keep being ignorant and sticking to what long-ago humans have wrote as God's holy word. Peeps have a choice/prerogative to remain ignorant. Not wise in long run, but whatever...

WHERE DID MORALS COME FROM.. I didn't ask if you need something to " behave morally " I asked you where morals came from?

More reading/comprehension woes, I see. I clearly answered (easily inferred from what I wrote). One more time: I (and others) created our own morals by way of our big human brain, just as humans have created societies, political systems, family units, sports leagues and on & on. We are the creators of such constructs, no God needed. If "God" created morals we'd be likely dealing in absolutes; the reason people's morals vary (to various degrees) is because we all have similar, but different brains. Different interpretations of same situations are natural and to be expected. Morals were created by humans because it's in their own (best) self interests to have them.

yes, I did need God, I do need God, and without Him, this world wouldn't be at all, period.

You needed God/religious concepts to control your admittedly bad behavior... others don't. Many operate in this world just fine without those God concepts. They live fine, productive, happy, successful moral lives. Millions have done so beforehand and have long since died. While God concepts are certainly popular w/humans (myths have played an integral role in human development since mankind began)... individually, a person needn't subscribe to any God concept in order to thrive.

Yea you got a wife bite, a family ? or are you a single man? Hmmm never mind, man I can't help the way you feel, if you don't like the topic though, there's probably a million other threads to " entertain " yourself with. Have at it

I have a GREAT family, wouldn't trade them for the world. Was de facto father figure to 2 of my nieces (sis divorced)... as in: change diapers, helped w/schoolwork, went to functions, taught life lessons, etc. and everything else that would logically entail -- they are wonderful, kind, smart, moral, attractive, educated young women... couldn't be prouder of 'em. Have very close relationship w/ my other sis and her child (off to college this fall like her cousins did). Was close to marriage once, she went splitsville literally couple months before scheduled wedding... never asked for ring back. She subsequently died few years later. Heart broken... yeppers.

hope you do more thinking on the topic, you seem pretty closed off,

,Ah, nope. Just a truth seeker, always have been. Covered the ground you're now walking on moons ago and moved on from the silly superstitions of religion. I wish you and your family health and happiness; btw, regarding "closed off" -- look in the mirror, friend. Physician, heal thyself.

Yeah, for the most part... I'm finito with this go-nowhere-but-in-circles thread.

Biter..... OUT

[PittsburghPlayer]

reason for edit:

optional

good !

[bobbywaves]

how do you know the Bible is 100% accurate?

There's a wealth of information here for you to read & educate yourself on the matter: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

Ironically, there is a great deal of "scientific evidence" within this link above that supports the Bible as well, but here's a shortcut link for your convenience: http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Can you prove he doesn't exist?

Absolutely. Do you still receive presents from Santa Claus today? Did you actually see Santa eat the cookies, how do you know your parents didn't eat them? If there was a real Santa, certainly you would have received coal in your stocking instead of presents.

Can you prove God doesn't exist?