GOD

[raydog]

The commandments He gave Moses prove you wrong... Also He didn't have to say 120-129 ..saying no one to live past the 120's is enough.

NOT 120'S ... he specifically said 120... period... you are making another excuse for another, in the very long line of scriptures, proven to be false or impossible... calling a black piece of paper, white, will never make it white...
snowball, how are you buddy...
the bible is fiction...because of the many contradictions and debunked miracles/fables , it makes scripture irrelevant and useless in the god debate... people from an early age are brainwashed, without an inkling of proof, to fear the devil and hell, but more abusively, to fear god... science proves that so much of the bible is bad fiction and beyond any shadow of doubt, proves there were no "miracles"... yet christians continue to ignore simple facts and make ungodly awful excuses when they have no clue... scripture is useless in this debate until these "miracles" can defy science, start to occur 'again" and coincidence proves itself as something other...until then, bad shit is going to keep happening to good people and the brainwashed will continue to pray for people that god could have avoided killing, if he so chose... if he were capable... if he were real...
800million starving today...cancer kids .. i can go on and on.. all part of a plan? gtfo with that dumb shit

[The Kraken]

People's intelligence in one area isn't always indicative of intelligence in other areas; oddly enough, that's yet another assumption the human brain tends to make, and why people thing arguments from authority are meaningful. By the way, many plausible theories have been proposed for how some of the ancient stone structures could have been built with relatively modest resources readily available back then.



The "micro-evolution" concept is just something dreamed up by creationists when the amount of evidence stacking up against them became overwhelming. The concept itself makes no sense; a bit like believing that stairs can be used to climb heights, but insisting that staircases can never be higher than 3 steps...no reason for the artificial limit given, except that to acknowledge the mechanism wasn't limited would interfere with what the mythology they've assumed to be true



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I think it was Einstein that said "Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree, even it will feel stupid" something along those lines.

Evolution has been proven. Traits that favor a particular environment will be passed on at a higher rate than traits that aren't favorable. Over time, those traits that are favorable will appear more frequently. The species has evolved. Humans are no different except that technology has changed things a little bit. Natural selection still drives evolution. Ex. Women love big rooster. Black men have bigger cocks. More black genes are passed on than teeny weenie white genes. Our world is becoming more black. The result? More boys will grow up to have big dicks. And be mixed race.

The beauty of science is that it has no agenda, no motives. Science simply churns forward and leaves behind the truth.

[KVB]

lol Kraken. Indeed, the world has been evolving to a more darker complexion but it has everything to do with reproduction rates among cultures and nothing to do with rooster size.

[brainfreeze]

People's intelligence in one area isn't always indicative of intelligence in other areas; oddly enough, that's yet another assumption the human brain tends to make, and why people thing arguments from authority are meaningful. By the way, many plausible theories have been proposed for how some of the ancient stone structures could have been built with relatively modest resources readily available back then.

No one said because they are smart in one area that they are smart in all areas ... The statement was in general, " people were dumb back then " .... So I don't see the point here. As for plausible theories, is just that until someone can show something ... Until then, here in 2015 ..we are the ignorant ones in that category.

The "micro-evolution" concept is just something dreamed up by creationists when the amount of evidence stacking up against them became overwhelming. The concept itself makes no sense; a bit like believing that stairs can be used to climb heights, but insisting that staircases can never be higher than 3 steps...no reason for the artificial limit given, except that to acknowledge the mechanism wasn't limited would interfere with what the mythology they've assumed to be true

I don't see it that way, I see that this is verifiable science, that can be checked and observed, no 3 step 12 step stuff...

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Romans 8:1-4
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law is still active though, for those under the law, living by the flesh, and not by Christ.

Bold

[brainfreeze]

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

then ray said no God... Just a few years back someone lived to 122 .. Yes 3000 years later this one person lived 2 years past your cut off

Smh..

what happens when you no longer have to have organs, and you can just download your brain, the artificial raydog might live to 1000 years, before someone sends you a virus or something, then you can really say, or the artificial you will be like ...got you now God!

[brainfreeze]

Tripper ... Who told you about the law?

Must've read some scripture ...

[The Kraken]

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

then ray said no God... Just a few years back someone lived to 122 .. Yes 3000 years later this one person lived 2 years past your cut off

Smh..

what happens when you no longer have to have organs, and you can just download your brain, the artificial raydog might live to 1000 years, before someone sends you a virus or something, then you can really say, or the artificial you will be like ...got you now God!

Either you're missing the point or I am

Because in my book, it only takes one. You say "well, it was only one in 3000 years" but there was one when scripture clearly says 120. So what gives Brain? What am I missing? How did that one person do it, live past 120 years? Anyways, two people have actually lived past 120 years. How many will it take? Or will you always have a way to justify it, like everything else?

You're pot committed and you refuse to see things objectively. You invested too much time and emotions that you're instinct is to defend your investment as opposed to seek the truth.

[muldoon]

Because in my book, it only takes one. You say "well, it was only one in 3000 years" but there was one when scripture clearly says 120. So what gives Brain? What am I missing?

Yet Noah lived to be 950. But that was the old days (no MSG in his diet I guess)

Might as well argue with someone who believes the Lord of the Rings is fact.

[KVB]

lol at the eisegesis occurring here. This 120 years being taken way out of context. No where is man's lifespan or longevity addressed like this in the bible, in this part of scripture. A whole bunch debate over a whole bunch of eisegesis, a debate over nothing.

The bible has people living into the hundreds of years after this scripture.

[muldoon]

A whole bunch debate over a whole bunch of eisegesis, a debate over nothing.

The bible has people living into the hundreds of years after this scripture.

I'd be on the floor laughing too if I'd convinced people to believe in that book for fairy tales.

[KVB]

It's not about whether you believe the Bible or not, it's about taking pieces of a book, could be any book, out of context, misinterpreting them, then staging arguments about it.

[muldoon]

It's not about whether you believe the Bible or not, it's about taking pieces of a book, could be any book, out of context, misinterpreting them, then staging arguments about it.

Which context would this be in?

Genesis 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

[jtoler]

lol

[KVB]

Which context would this be in?

Genesis 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years

This has nothing to do with the lifespan of individual men. Nothing. Again, you've pulled it out of context, printed it by itself.

[muldoon]

This has nothing to do with the lifespan of individual men. Nothing. Again, you've pulled it out of context, printed it by itself.

You've proven yourself in the past to be reasonable. I'm asking a legitimate honest question.

How is that quote from the bible out of context? What context do you put it in? It seems pretty specific.

[KVB]

It seems some posters are guilty of doing exactly what they have accused Brainfreeze of doing…allowing the emotional investment to cloud their judgement.

I have no problem with seeking inconsistencies with the Bible, whether you follow its teachings or not. But fellas, you’re barking up the wrong tree on this issue.

Without getting into too many details know that, according to the Bible, God was talking to Noah at about the age of 480. The 120 years is the amount of time God would tolerate man before he destroyed them with a great flood, which came when Noah was about 600.

Whether you believe the stories or not, you can still look at the book from a scholarly perspective. Before, during, and after this passage people, in the Bible, lived for many hundreds of years.

There is zero reason, form a scholarly perspective, that all of sudden conflicting information about man’s individual lifespan would be interjected into the text.

Many would say that such interpretation would be considered inaccurate as it would put the Bible at odds with the credibility of God, going against the overall theme of the book. Within the work itself, this doesn’t seem to occur anywhere. (Although I have some valid tough ones I don’t want to get into here and now.)

Anyway, like I have written many times about gamblers, it’s not that they don’t know things; it’s that what they know is wrong.



Also, man’s lifespan is addressed generally in Psalms and this seems to coincide with reality and in no way caps the lifespan of man.

[raydog]

kvb, you and bf can keep embarrassing yourself with awful excuses... its a mental disorder, this denial you are in... you should stop... there is no other interpretation or any other context... 120yrs. max... its in your holy fukking bible

[KVB]

Uh...ok raydog. Next time you might want to read my post.

This best describes your thought process in this situation raydog...eisegesis.

[Bostongambler]

I guess it comes down to faith.

[KVB]

I guess it comes down to faith.

Not in this case Bostongambler, not in this case...

It's not about whether you believe the Bible or not, it's about taking pieces of a book, could be any book, out of context, misinterpreting them, then staging arguments about it...

[raydog]

oh i read it... its what we call "creating an interpretation in an attempt to explain the bibles bullshit" .. keep cherry picking scriptures and making up your "interpretations" ... i dont believe this was ever debated until someone lived longer than 120.... the only place you will read your interpretation is on a holy site or from a place that is covering its ass with a different interpretation...but its okay, like you say, or should say, is that its open to interpretation... and nobody knows the exact times when this great flood supposedly occurred anyways.... all of this, of course, is debunked by the fact that this great world flood during this time, covering the tallest mountains, is also false

but, to get to another point.... you are saying that god knew, well before he killed everyone, that he would want to kill everyone and then start all over creating man??? .. even before they sinned enough for him to be done with them? but he hasnt killed everyone since then? as if we are somehow people better people now? looooooolllllllsssssssssss you are killing me with this gullible shit guy ... again, keep cherry picking scripture and ignoring the contradictions in others... i wouldnt want you guys to change a thing

answer me this... why hasnt any of the stuff , considered utter bible bullshit, occurred since the bible was first published? why did all these miraculous things end? common sense says its because they were nothing but bullshit, but if you have some sort of Logical explanation, im all ears

sorry for using the word, bullshit, so much.. i tend to type the way i talk... no offense to anyone

[KVB]

Uh...ok raydog. Next time you might want to read my post.

This best describes your thought process in this situation raydog...eisegesis.

Ok raydog, perhaps you did read my post, it's pretty clear you didn't understand it.

[Bostongambler]

I want to believe in the fairy tale, but what it comes down to is no one knows.

[raydog]

I guess it comes down to faith.

what it comes down to is how abusively your mind was threatened and brainwashed with the idea of going to hell for not following the rules of and obeying a mythical, unproven higher power... a power that was created from a book that is full of contradictions, proven false miracles and fables and scriptures focused on men with the morals of an animal... these men were often praised and used as examples of good, simply because the gruesome acts they were committing, werent mentioned it the 10 commandments ...

how bad did you fear god? thats what your blind faith, in the unproven, comes down to.... truth

[raydog]

Ok raydog, perhaps you did read my post, it's pretty clear you didn't understand it.

im not sure why you think i didnt...

i even offered another question to you, in the chance that your interpretation of the 120yrs. is the correct one... also, i get that, at the time of the flood, noah was supposed to be ridiculously older than the other interpretation, that man wouldnt live passed 120.... i also know thats one of the reasons for the christian interpretation of this... obviously, noah was some sort of extremely rare breed of man too... its not really puzzling as much as its pure fiction... but onward.

why did god think he could only stomach man for another 120yrs before killing everyone? church would teach you that "god knows all and knew what man would become" i get that... but why has he done nothing since he "recreated" man after killing everyone? what was different about the new species of man that allowed god to stomach us ever since?

i dont expect you to know the extensive reasons why your god did this or that, but you have to give this some serious thought, no?

[muldoon]

I want to believe in the fairy tale, but what it comes down to is no one knows.

An honest person.

[KVB]

im not sure why you think i didnt...

The first reason is that my post has nothing to do with whether or not the Bible is fiction, nothing, your responses are hooked on it.

The second reason is that if you understood the post, you wouldn't keep responding like you do.

The 120 years you keep citing in the Bible has nothing to do with man's lifespan and there is no reason to believe it does.

It doesn't matter whether you believe the stories in the Bible, believe there is a God, or believe you could create a more perfect world if there is a God, understand science, don't understand science or if you just have a million questions. Non of that makes a difference.

You are embarrassing yourself and wasting effort with this point. You'd do best to find some other one.

[jtoler]

Until scriptures like this are understood which has been stated over and over in this thread and goes unresponded to every time, debating is useless.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Bostongambler]

I think/trust everyone wishes it's all true.

[muldoon]

I think/trust everyone wishes it's all true.

Careful what you wish for. If the Christian God exists - most will burn in hell.

[raydog]

The first reason is that my post has nothing to do with whether or not the Bible is fiction, nothing, your responses are hooked on it.

The second reason is that if you understood the post, you wouldn't keep responding like you do.

The 120 years you keep citing in the Bible has nothing to do with man's lifespan and there is no reason to believe it does.

It doesn't matter whether you believe the stories in the Bible, believe there is a God, or believe you could create a more perfect world if there is a God, understand science, don't understand science or if you just have a million questions. Non of that makes a difference.

You are embarrassing yourself and wasting effort with this point. You'd do best to find some other one.

we will have to disagree on who is embarrassing themselves... you are the one who believes in the unproven god and completely debunked bullshit found in the bible... not me .. accepting facts, is the first step, buddy...

like every gullible, brainwashed christian, you think your interpretation is always the correct one... AGAIN, i asked you a few questions, in order to help me understand wtf your god was thinking, IN CASE your interpretation is the correct one...i know its the one that christians want to believe... but take some time to Logically think about the questions, if you will...

[Bostongambler]

Once again , faith

[KVB]

we will have to disagree on who is embarrassing themselves... you are the one who believes in the unproven god and completely debunked bullshit found in the bible... not me .. accepting facts, is the first step, buddy...

like every gullible, brainwashed christian, you think your interpretation is always the correct one... AGAIN, i asked you a few questions, in order to help me understand wtf your god was thinking, IN CASE your interpretation is the correct one...i know its the one that christians want to believe... but take some time to Logically think about the questions, if you will...

Despite the name calling let me just say that I don't think this has to do with interpretation. There really isn't debate about how the story goes.

In this case, it's more about a mainstream thought without proper education behind it. It's like when the media claimed the Mayans said the world would end in 2012, based on a discovery. There was even a movie about it. But the discovery was a calendar that had a major event occurring in 2012, but clearly had events after that. It had nothing to do with the end of the world.

Yet many today will tell you that the Mayans predicted the end of the world in 2012. There's just no basis for it.

To debate it is foolish.

Likewise, to say 120 years relates to a man's longevity has no basis. To debate it is foolish.

This has nothing to do with whether or not I am a man of faith. I am not "defending" the book here, I am giving you the facts of the book. They way the story was written, as a work of literature, and its context.

Somehow I'm not sure you see that.

[jtoler]

If you're already an unbeliever or against something there will be a tendency to seek out gotcha moments in anything therefore only seeing the surface and never delving deeper to gain a full understanding about something, that's clearly what's going on here.

[BetterBizness]

I'm ok with a "God"..even God. Genesis is myth told by an old people... I believe that a creator was involved... big bang etc..

Even with vodka - The bible is not a scientific text... its a book of redemption... whats wrong with that?