Originally posted by Dux90
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Bet$3.65 already have a shitty reputation amongst punters with a clue, but they don't seem to care. They just put ads on TV with Samuel L Jackson on them to bring in a boatload of fresh fish who are going to mindlessly dump off their cash through the massive range of betting options that they have. If you demonstrate that you are likely to be a long term winner you will likely have a max bet of $10 there within a month.Comment -
Originally posted by Dux90
I think on the whole they're a very reputable book. I have quite a large chunk of money there (for me) and have no worries about it at all. I've said on here before that I was limited on a certain type of bet - tennis handicaps - after betting 4 or 5 of them, each for maybe $200-300 and losing all but maybe 2. After talking on here with a few guys it seems I innocently bet lines that moved significantly in my favour. I read a similar story tonight about a woman who after a few bets on horses was limited due to "not being economical". She was down $1560 and this was before the same phrasing was used in the case in this thread. So I think they have hard ass risk mgmt people who are keen (maybe over eager) to limit potential damage to their book. However there are times - at least in my case - that my biggest score wouldn't even pay for a tailored suit on Saville Row these days so they might be going overboard.
They handled this wrong which I assume is just a case of getting their feet wet in Australia. Like I said earlier though, out of all the places I've lived I think Aussie gamblers are by far the most astute in the world as a whole = male and female. This won't fly. And now that that nutter Nick Xenophon is on the case you can be sure this will be settled properly. Guy is the biggest anti-gambling politician here. No way any book with half a brain cell will try to go up against him. Pay up, make a joke about how you stuffed up and you're offering xxx to Aussies as an apology and all will be forgotten. Try to drag it out and they'll be in a world of hurt because the average punter will bury them. Some are already skeptical/resentful of UK books infiltrating Australia. Letting this go on a second longer than necessary won't help their case at all.
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Imogen is a friend of an old girlfriend and met her a few times. Surprised she is on this too. She's actually kind of shy, and really risk averse. Said she would never consider sky diving for example. I wonder if she had any idea she would end up in Mogadishu when she signed up for this?! Just at the bit they arrive and just seeing the look on her face as they drive in from the airport is making me feel sick for her. I'm sure she is genuinely freaking out badly.Originally posted by shari91
I had no preconceived notions about him because I wasn't here during the whole Children Overboard issue obviously. But my Aussie friends who have watched have really changed their perception about him. He's not perfect but I think you might be surprised a bit. And also by Imogen. So happy you're watching it - let me know what you think when you're done. I only wish it had been broadcast on every fta channel so it got the exposure it deserved. I feel like a very different person after watching this for the past 3 nights. (And you're a good man Charlie Brown... but you know I already felt that way ).Comment -
I don't think they had any clue what they were getting into. All of them look rather gobsmacked at various times.Originally posted by Optional
Through my other job I've become very close to the woman who runs a pretty big somewhat female oriented website here. She sent me the article Imogen wrote for the site before it was published and that's how I knew to watch or else I sadly would've missed it.
Considering you know Imogen, I think you might like this http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/imo...you-came-from/
And if you still talk to your old gf, please tell her she has excellent choice in friends (and boyfriends obv). I'd be very proud to call Imogen a mate!Comment -
Nutter Nick Xenophon
seriously that guy has a single mission in life.
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Wtf! What is all this? I had a poster of Imogen in my room for a couple years when I was 18 lol
Where can I watch this show online and watch these 3 episodes? I'd never heard of it.Comment -
xx Thanks. I've bookmarked that to read after seeing the other 2 eps. Think I will go find them online now actually!Originally posted by shari91
I don't think they had any clue what they were getting into. All of them look rather gobsmacked at various times.
Through my other job I've become very close to the woman who runs a pretty big somewhat female oriented website here. She sent me the article Imogen wrote for the site before it was published and that's how I knew to watch or else I sadly would've missed it.
Considering you know Imogen, I think you might like this http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/imo...you-came-from/
And if you still talk to your old gf, please tell her she has excellent choice in friends (and boyfriends obv). I'd be very proud to call Imogen a mate!.Comment -
Last year they did it with regular/non celeb Aussies. This year it's with people that you've probably heard of. It's a pretty big eye opener. It's not a bash on Australia or policies or Aussies in general at all... just more like what life is like elsewhere and why people might risk their lives to get here. Broke my heart honestly.Originally posted by brettels
Originally posted by Optional
All the episodes are there. Just click videos
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I already answered, No I haven't seen it.
I keep getting upset every time I click the thread, expecting it to be something different, it's always the same fukkin thing.Comment -
I still highly doubt he sees the full amount.
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100% he'll see it for sureOriginally posted by CanuckG I still highly doubt he sees the full amount.
This isn't offshore and it's not the UK. Too many people know about gambling here.
Actually I should amend that... either he'll get pd in full or they'll be kicked out of Australia for good.
They took a chance and failed. It won't work here. Think about it: This happened at the end of July. You just found it now because the national media has now jumped on. bet365 screwed themselves here... they either pay up or they'll be chucked so fast from Australia their eyes will roll back in their heads. If you've never heard of that wackadoo Nick Xenaphon (and as a Canadian why would you), google that nutter. Their biggest nightmare was him finding out about this.Comment -
Okay well if he does get paid it probably wont happen anytime soon. Strange bet he made that's for sure...Comment -
I actually think he'll get paid soon now that the trashy news programs are running his story.Originally posted by CanuckG
That Nick politician is the biggest anti-gambling winger going... and now he's willing to back this guy. Of course it's because it feeds into Nick's belief that all books are bad. But man, this guy is like the white Al Sharpton against gambling. The story is a month old and it's now getting picked up by national media sites. What does that say?
This didn't work out how any book would hope but that's why the books that bought Aussie ones, asked the Aussies to continue to operate them and just controlled the purse strings. Seriously this is the equivalent of getting dealt a blackjack at a table and a book coming back and saying yeah well we changed the rules and backdated them... anyone who gets a blackjack with 2 red cards auto loses and we're going to close your account because we think you're "non economical" even though you're in the hole with us.
I love this book but I'm not sure wtf is going on here now. I think they're trying to apply Euro standards here maybe but they're going to get fried on that... not only financially but on various forums.Comment -
I think probably because who wins 73k from a greyhound race.....size of the pool probably 1/10th of that amount. Then they change their rules I see Bet365 being stubborn here unless that Aussie politician guy steps it up.
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bet365 will be done in australia if they won`t pay this guy.Comment -
That's the thing. They're going to pay him or give up all the cash they spent trying to get a licence here and advertising. Plus losing out on Aussies live betting online when they banned us from that when applying for the licence.Originally posted by meckis
They spent that cash in half a day trying to get here.
Can't screw a guy now or they'll eat the costs. And any manager willing to approve that decision should be sacked..Comment -
Read this ! Might be Mr Brunker is the crook,not Bet365 !Comment -
Interesting.Comment -
"...in this case i invested $4,992, they are happy to take the bet, and if i had lost they would have kept the money."
Just a quote from the video on an old point we were discussing about how much he had invested in the raceComment -
crazy twist. you would think he would place bets under someone else if this is true.Comment -
How? Unless he drugged the dogs who failed to chase he did nothing wrong.Originally posted by WilliamHell
As a tennis bettor I fade guys who were out the night before, chicks who broke up with boyfriends, etc
No different here.Comment -
If there's an inquiry on the race it's different...Comment -
Why? Being told by a friend or relative that the dogs dont chase is not a crimeOriginally posted by StriderComment -
Bet365 will find some bullshit excuse regardless and not pay....Comment -
ExactlyOriginally posted by shari91Comment -
If they get forced to pay they wont have a choice in the matterOriginally posted by CanuckGComment -
Forced? Not if the inquiries come up against the bettor.Originally posted by StockdaleComment -
If what inquiries come up?Originally posted by CanuckGComment -
thisMr Brunker, who said he had outlaid $4992 on the July 27 race, featured on Channel 7's Today Tonight last week claiming Bet365 had failed to honour a winning First4 bet, which requires punters to select the first four greyhounds across the line in correct finishing order.Mr Brunker claims he had invested five units on the successful combination, which returned a dividend of $14,632.60, meaning he would be entitled to a payout of $73,163.
During the race two greyhounds - the $2.50 favourite Finished Forcer and $11 chance Octane Moment - refused to chase the lure, which effectively ruled both out of contention.
This month, Mr Brunker told The Northern Territory News: "It was the biggest bet I'd ever laid. I'd just got a tax return and thought I'd have a good bet. I was lucky. I thought I had fluked a windfall."
Instead, Mr Brunker claims Bet365 closed his account and has so far refused to pay the full amount.
Following heavy criticism on racing forums, Bet365, one of the world's biggest betting companies who have only been active in Australia for a short time, released a statement relating to the matter.
"Following a steward's inquiry immediately following the race, two dogs in the race in question, including the favourite, were subsequently suspended for 28 days for 'failing to pursue' and Racing Queensland are conducting an integrity inquiry into the race," the statement read.
RQ chief steward Wade Birch confirmed there is an investigation into the race, with a key element being
the dogs which "failed to pursue", which are trained by Jonathan Daniel (Finished Forcer) and Andrew Wilkinson (Octane Moment).
"Our investigations with Greyhound Racing New South Wales lead us to believe both of those greyhounds are kennelled at the registered property of Matthew Brunker," Mr Birch said.
Stewards are investigating whether Matthew Brunker and Steve Brunker are related.
Darwin-based Steve Brunker failed to return calls from The Courier-Mail yesterday.
The Northern Territory Racing Commission (which licenses Bet365 in Australia) is also conducting inquiries.
Bet365 have said they do not know when the inquiries will be completed and pending the outcome, it will be unable to comment further.Comment -
The inquiry into whether they are related? They cant do anything even if they are, unless they have been hindered illegally and stewards have already taken a swab and let the vets inspect the dogs after the race.Originally posted by CanuckG
The only inquiry that matters is that made by the NT Racing Commission into Bet365Comment -
Canucker this is the point: Australia is at the ass end of the world but I think they're right up there with major Asian books for being fair and decent.
I could've told you yesterday: My friend is coaching Sharapova. She's going to tank. Bet on the $21.00-1 against her.
And then what happens when Sharapova won? You can't sue me. Unless myself or my friend physically interfered with a player, there is nothing illegal about that.
People do that shit on here every day even though most are lying "I know someone" "my friend" "I dated a guy who said"
You can't sue those people for messing up your bets.
Unless you physically tampered with a race outcome or a jockey told you he wouldn't ride, there is nothing illegal with using inside info to make your bets. I only wish I'd had that info too because you wankers would hear me screeching for weeks.Comment -
Good points. I hope he honestly gets paid but don't you think by reading that Bet365 is trying everything they can do to weasel their way out of it I want that guy to take them to the cleaners.
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Here is the actual race in case anyone wanted to watch it:
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It's horrible. And this is how I know SBR is legit... I've always posted that I won't comment unless it's one of 'my' books. I won't be a shill for books i have no clue about and I've never been asked to be. I was touting 365 long before they became a sponsor here or I even worked here. And then I got upset when they limited me on tennis handis. 2 yrs ago maybe? Admin isn't telling me to shut up now that they're an SBR sponsor - they know I adore 365 and I'm upset. I don't comment on offshore books i don't play at but this book is a massive out for me... anyone who hangs out here knows that. And I have not once been told to keep quiet at all.Originally posted by CanuckGGood points. I hope he honestly gets paid but don't you think by reading that Bet365 is trying everything they can do to weasel their way out of it I want that guy to take them to the cleaners.
They stuffed up here. Takes 30 seconds to make it right. But like I said the longer it drags on the worse it'll get. 365 needs to read the legislation governing books in Australia. I still stick with he'll be paid 100%. For sure no doubt.
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