If you don't think the Lakers Win the West, You are Delusional

**showtiime** · 12-14-12, 02:02 PM

**bettilimbroke999** · 12-14-12, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Goat Milk

Why is a 9-13 team the third favorite to win the title?

why are the lakers favored over the allmighty spurs who have lost like 3 4 games the whole year?

thanks.

Alot of dumb fuk Laker fans still betting em I suppose

**wantitall4moi** · 12-14-12, 04:42 PM

Yeah Lakers were 6-1 yesterday to win it all, thats the same price as the Spurs.

Problem with future best like that is the holds are so ridiculous and odds are so insane you cant take advantage of obviously stupidity like that. Unless they offer an exchange type wager on it like Lakers WON'T win (whatever) or even better Lakers NOT to make the play offs, you cant really make any money off obviously bad lines.

**PAULYPOKER** · 12-14-12, 07:27 PM

You can laugh all you want but until the lakers key players are all healthy you just don't know their true potential...............

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 07:30 PM

They wont be able to defend even with Nash and Gasol. They can score the ball now.

In b4 goat milk either disappears again like he did when he lost his entire roll last year, or goes "trust me bro, i know basketball bro. Trust bro. I picked the biggest favorite to win the championship. I know basketball chief. Trust me"

**convick** · 12-14-12, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

You can laugh all you want but until the lakers key players are all healthy you just don't know their true potential...............

Yep, a 40-year old pg past his prime is going to save their season and shut down the opposing pg defensively.

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by ngates815

Everyone just settle down...He picked the heat to win it all last year...And he was certainly the only person thinking that a stacked team would win it!!!!!!!!!!

The guy is amazing...You can't talk shit to him, because then he'll pull out that fact on you, like he was really going out on a limb.

So much this

Ive never seen someone know literally nothing about basketball yet continue to convince himself he's an expert.

Whats his argument for kobe being top 2 all time again? "Trust me chief! He's a warrior chief! Every advanced metric and basic stat that says Kobe isnt in the same class as the top 10 all time are wrong because i know basketball chief! Trust me!"

Every single time he's wrong he ignores it and changes the subject to him picking the biggest favorite to win the championship.

**wantitall4moi** · 12-14-12, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

You can laugh all you want but until the lakers key players are all healthy you just don't know their true potential...............

yeah it makes them a slightly better than 500 team rather than one about 10 games below.

100% healthy and everyone playing top of their game this was a 45 maybe a 47 win team. Without them, they get exposed for a complete lack of depth (which is why with a starting 5 like they have they win 'only' 46 games) and end up with 35 wins. Ten games different that is about it. WITH nash and Gasol these past 10 games where they have gone 3-7, they would have probably been 5-5, at best 6-4. But only because the teams they have played have been absolute garbage.

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 07:56 PM

Trading Pau for Barganini and Calderon should be a common sense move for Buss and Kupchak. Get some Depth and at least they'll be better than they will be when Pau comes back, continues to have to play on the wing, and be ineffective. Calderon is 10x better than the shit they have behind Nash. But they're holding on to some dream of getting LBJ after 2014.

**bettilimbroke999** · 12-14-12, 07:59 PM

Wizards are takin a whiz on the Lakers...Im truly starting to wonder if they will make the playoffs or not this year

**EmpireMaker** · 12-14-12, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Wizards are takin a whiz on the Lakers...Im truly starting to wonder if they will make the playoffs or not this year

Only when Howard is on the floor

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 08:14 PM

They should have traded Kobe when he still had value, then use that money to build a roster around Dwight. He will continue to get worse, continue to get less efficient on the offensive end, which is hard for maybe the most inefficient chucker of all time besides Iverson, and continue to pass blame on everyone and quit when the team needs him most, I.E. the Suns series..

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Wizards are takin a whiz on the Lakers...Im truly starting to wonder if they will make the playoffs or not this year

Nothing is for sure in the NBA, Lakers not making the playoffs at this point is not that far fetched. But I think they will sneak in at the 8th or 7th seed. But time is ticking, they will need around 41-44 wins and only have 9 so far, so when they play games against teams like the wiz or cavs, those are must wins.

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by zsr

They should have traded Kobe when he still had value, then use that money to build a roster around Dwight. He will continue to get worse, continue to get less efficient on the offensive end, which is hard for maybe the most inefficient chucker of all time besides Iverson, and continue to pass blame on everyone and quit when the team needs him most, I.E. the Suns series..

Kobe is still one of the best players in the NBA, you dont trade away your best player. The problem with the lakers is not necessarily personnel, its the system in which the coach is trying to use the personnel. Just imagine if Mike D went to the spurs and tried making them run like he is with the Lakers, it would be the same result. However I bet if popavich was coaching the Lakers, we wouldn't even be having this convo.

**wantitall4moi** · 12-14-12, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Eagles27

Kobe is still one of the best players in the NBA, you dont trade away your best player. The problem with the lakers is not necessarily personnel, its the system in which the coach is trying to use the personnel. Just imagine if Mike D went to the spurs and tried making them run like he is with the Lakers, it would be the same result. However I bet if popavich was coaching the Lakers, we wouldn't even be having this convo.

"best' player is a misnomer. He has the most talent. That doesnt mean it equals success. Lakers with Shaq and any other point guard or shooting guars with even less talent that Kobe win 5 rings minimum. Pau Gasol ,bynum, fisher, Artest, Odom, and Phil jackson with a reasonably talented guard (probably better than what Shaq would have needed) win the two rings they did and probably another one or two.

The talent surrounding Kobe wins despite him. Kobe without talent or not enough help is what you see now and what you saw years ago when they totaly sucked and he was crying he wanted to be traded. Kobe doesnt inspire his team mates on r off the court, nor does he try to make them better.

He called Magic Johnson and asked for advice, magic told him to be a leader. Kobe doesnt know how to be a leader, he has never been one. Even after Shaq left Fisher led the team. When it has been Kobe with the responsibility the team have sucked.

With all the 'success' Lakers have seen since 1999, perpetually in the lay off hunt, 7 NBA finals appearances, 9 or so West conference finals, and also having the best coach ever (according to most and for a lot of those years) why has no one ever WANTED to go to the Lakers? Why, with all the teams who have signed free agents willing to go to off the wall joints with almost no success ever, why wouldnt any of them even look at the Lakers?

That is why I laugh every time someone says " XXXX is going to the lakers" really? Name a single free agent that went there on their own. NONE, ZERO, NADA. Not even when they were offered over payment.

The one constant in all of that is one guy, and despite the lip service everyone likes to perpetuate, NO ONE wants to play with him, because if they did there have been ample opportunity for them to do so.

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by wantitall4moi

"best' player is a misnomer. He has the most talent. That doesnt mean it equals success. Lakers with Shaq and any other point guard or shooting guars with even less talent that Kobe win 5 rings minimum. Pau Gasol ,bynum, fisher, Artest, Odom, and Phil jackson with a reasonably talented guard (probably better than what Shaq would have needed) win the two rings they did and probably another one or two.

The talent surrounding Kobe wins despite him. Kobe without talent or not enough help is what you see now and what you saw years ago when they totaly sucked and he was crying he wanted to be traded. Kobe doesnt inspire his team mates on r off the court, nor does he try to make them better.

He called Magic Johnson and asked for advice, magic told him to be a leader. Kobe doesnt know how to be a leader, he has never been one. Even after Shaq left Fisher led the team. When it has been Kobe with the responsibility the team have sucked.

With all the 'success' Lakers have seen since 1999, perpetually in the lay off hunt, 7 NBA finals appearances, 9 or so West conference finals, and also having the best coach ever (according to most and for a lot of those years) why has no one ever WANTED to go to the Lakers? Why, with all the teams who have signed free agents willing to go to off the wall joints with almost no success ever, why wouldnt any of them even look at the Lakers?

That is why I laugh every time someone says " XXXX is going to the lakers" really? Name a single free agent that went there on their own. NONE, ZERO, NADA. Not even when they were offered over payment.

The one constant in all of that is one guy, and despite the lip service everyone likes to perpetuate, NO ONE wants to play with him, because if they did there have been ample opportunity for them to do so.

I think its pretty safe to say that if you remove Kobe from the current equation, you will have an even more shit of a team. There is a reason why he has been MVP for so many years.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 09:14 PM

Well refs are certainly trying to help them beat the Wiz. Got to love the phantom 3 pt foul vs Kobe a sec ago. Even the Lakers announcers are saying the Lakers have gotten a lot of lucky calls this game and they're still only up by 7 vs the lowly wizards

**wantitall4moi** · 12-14-12, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Eagles27

I think its pretty safe to say that if you remove Kobe from the current equation, you will have an even more shit of a team. There is a reason why he has been MVP for so many years.

you cant simply 'remove' him, you get pieces to plug in. His salary is enough for 2 QUALITY guys, that adds depth as well as someone who might make his team mates better. NBA isnt about stats, I dont know why guys dwell on it so much. They also wouldnt have ot have shit like Duhon or Meeks or Jamison on the team, guys who shouldnt be on an NBA roster, just like they wouldnt have had to have the trash they had last year. The one guy who was decent left as soon as he could...Barnes. He left the lakers moved to the Clippers and is having a career year basically.

No Kobe on the lakers they would have talent there, look at the Clippers, they have shown ZERo willingness to improve or keep people, but once they made even a slight effort EVERYONE started wanting to play there. Why? Because it is Los Angeles. Now that Clippers are good and showing signs of change loik at his team by far the deepest in the league and they have 8 or 9 guys who could start for any team in the league and every guy on their roster could start for the lakers and be an improvement more or less.

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by brainfreeze0

Well refs are certainly trying to help them beat the Wiz. Got to love the phantom 3 pt foul vs Kobe a sec ago. Even the Lakers announcers are saying the Lakers have gotten a lot of lucky calls this game and they're still only up by 7 vs the lowly wizards

That was pretty much the game changer

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 09:20 PM

If kobe wasnt there they would just be running the offense through dwight instead and he would probably be averaging 30 and 10. Its there inability to defend.

BTW goat milk if you ever return and answer some of these questions posed on the last page about how clueless you are, i want to know how does losing your entire bankroll over a 4 week span last year(this is documented and this is why you ran away from the forum last year), how does that not humble you at all? How can you be so bad at gambling, so clueless about the NBA, and still be so arrogant? Are you just an elaborate troll? Is there 2 people posting from your account, and the one who lost all his money betting the NFL playoffs and the first half of the NBA season gone and your his brother? All your losses are documented and your down huge lifetime. Please answer these questions and the ones on the last page instead of changing the subject. Thanks chief.

**Steamroller** · 12-14-12, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by brainfreeze0

Well refs are certainly trying to help them beat the Wiz. Got to love the phantom 3 pt foul vs Kobe a sec ago. Even the Lakers announcers are saying the Lakers have gotten a lot of lucky calls this game and they're still only up by 7 vs the lowly wizards

Yep that foul call was just ridiculous. Kobe is so fkin bad with 8/26 shooting so refs are doing everything to help him out.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Eagles27

That was pretty much the game changer

Agreed. Lakers have always been able to pull non calls. Not quite as bad since the Lakers/ Kings Game 6 WCF when they had a barrage of non calls leading to the only reason Lakers got a ring that year. Otherwise Kobe would be minus one ring

**lakerboy** · 12-14-12, 09:25 PM

when lakers lose they suck. when they win the refs helped them. lol. laker haters are a dime a dozen.

**Steamroller** · 12-14-12, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

when lakers lose they suck. when they win the refs helped them. lol. laker haters are a dime a dozen.

No no, refs helped them and they still sucked.

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

when lakers lose they suck. when they win the refs helped them. lol. laker haters are a dime a dozen.

I dont think you saw the call we were talking about. Wiz were coming back from 16 down (only down by 5) and kobe gets a foul awarded to him (from beyond the arc) with the defender about a foot away (kobe missed the shot, wiz had the rebound), instead kobe shot 3 FT's with about under 4 mins left and pushed the lead to 8. Pretty much a done deal after that..

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Steamroller

Yep that foul call was just ridiculous. Kobe is so fkin bad with 8/26 shooting so refs are doing everything to help him out.

Story of Kobes entire career. 9-29, 1-8 from 3. Absolutely terrible.

Dwight only getting 8 shots is a joke.

**lakerboy** · 12-14-12, 09:30 PM

calls go both ways. it all evens out. lakers won.

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by zsr

If kobe wasnt there they would just be running the offense through dwight instead and he would probably be averaging 30 and 10. Its there inability to defend.

Thats not really guaranteed though, Mike D wants to run (not run a half court offense). There are many things wrong with the Lakers right now and taking Kobe out of the equation would not help (just my humble opinion and im not even a laker fan).

**Eagles27** · 12-14-12, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

calls go both ways. it all evens out. lakers won.

Nah, also depends on when the calls are made (as it dictates the tempo of the game). Lakers did win though, so im not going to argue, still well below 500 and struggled against the worst team in the NBA.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

calls go both ways. it all evens out. lakers won.

Both sides may get calls, but you don't see straight shit calls where there isn't a foul on the smaller francise playing the Lakers. Lakers have always gotten Stern's love. Just watch that video above. Lakers wouldn't have won that year if not for the refs and Stern giving them that game. Almost every publication in the US was calling the game rigged in Lakers favor. Even Stern said his dream Finals matchup was Lakers vs Lakers. Trying to say that it gets called evenly both ways is laughable. Lakers have always gotten the better end of the stick and everyone but Lakers fans can see it.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Eagles27

Nah, also depends on when the calls are made (as it dictates the tempo of the game). Lakers did win though, so im not going to argue, still well below 500 and struggled against the worst team in the NBA.

Agreed, I only saw 2 laughable calls (that I saw anyways) that were given to the Lakers (granted at very key moments) but like you said Lakers won that one. However if a Lakers struggling victory over a team with the worst NBA record in the league right now is something to cheer about then cheers.

**Steamroller** · 12-14-12, 09:47 PM

Kobe kobe kobe those commentators really likes sucking his dick, almost like he played a good game.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 09:58 PM

Here's some better vids for that Game 6

Everyone always talking about Lakers championships and how many rings Kobe has, they need to understand that it should be less if not for the Kings getting cheated out of winning the WCF's in 2002 in Game 6. That game would have gone to the Kings giving them the WCF and they would most likely have won the finals that year. What a stain and a laugh that this championship and ring are even included by Lakers fans although many Lakers fans I have talked to agree that Lakers would never have won that game and gotten that ring that year.

**zsr** · 12-14-12, 10:01 PM

That Kings series, plus Kobes terrible playoff numbers, plus Kobes terrible playoff "Clutch time" numbers all will not change Laker fans minds about how great Kobe is. i have no clue why. The advanced stat movement is fantastic and allows us too appreciate how great MJ, Magic, Shaq, LBJ, and KD are, and how overrated Kobe is and always has been. but they still ignore all the facts and say, "5 ringss bro" "kobe was better than shaq broo" its unreal.

**brainfreeze0** · 12-14-12, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by zsr

That Kings series, plus Kobes terrible playoff numbers, plus Kobes terrible playoff "Clutch time" numbers all will not change Laker fans minds about how great Kobe is. i have no clue why. The advanced stat movement is fantastic and allows us too appreciate how great MJ, Magic, Shaq, LBJ, and KD are, and how overrated Kobe is and always has been. but they still ignore all the facts and say, "5 ringss bro" "kobe was better than shaq broo" its unreal.

Agreed. Of course you got the rings and championships, but you didn't actually earn them all like the rest have to. It's like the rich kid who's daddy has to payoff the teachers so he has a diploma. Pathetic really and if anyone is delusional its those Lakers fans.

TBH, Lakers make more revenue for the NBA and themselves than the majority of other organizations in the NBA. This is why Daddy Stern gives them so much love and even cheated in giving them a championship and ring they were not able to win on talent and ability alone like every other team has to do. Things like the luxury tax really don't phase the Lakers and they can buy up talent and coaching staff other organizations only wish they could. The fact Laker fans brag on the amount they have won is laughable in comparison to the extra edge they have and still fail on the other years. It's like the smart kid who obviously has the better advantage of not being handicapped bragging he made a better grade than the mentally retarded kid, except in this case the mentally retarded kid makes better grades than him on many occasions (and even had to cheat on one test to beat him lol).