Green Bay to win the NFC @ -150 is as close to free money as you get

[Mr Handicapable]

Either way you slice it...GB leads the NFL in interceptions. Matthews/Woodson/Shields/Bishop/Raji have all made huge plays in big games. What is the big argument here? Packer bandwagoners brings on haters too....I get that but this team is HEAD & SHOULDERS above the NFC unless the game is played in the Superdome.

[doin]

would that bet be the same as what my little book is offering....
nfc east
<table class="table_lines" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="98%"><tbody><tr class="offering_pair"><td colspan="3" nowrap="nowrap">12282 Giants wont win</td><td nowrap="nowrap"> </td><td nowrap="nowrap"> <input name="M2_0" id="M2_0" size="4" maxlength="5"> +150</td></tr></tbody></table>

[slacker00]

Either way you slice it...GB leads the NFL in interceptions. Matthews/Woodson/Shields/Bishop/Raji have all made huge plays in big games. What is the big argument here? Packer bandwagoners brings on haters too....I get that but this team is HEAD & SHOULDERS above the NFC unless the game is played in the Superdome.

Any way you slice it, GB is dead last in yards per play allowed. GB is nearly last in defensive fumbles recovered. GB is 2nd worst in 1st downs allowed. GB is nearly last in Pass TDs allowed. Any way you slice it, GB has some problems on defense which would be a huge problem if not for Aaron Rodgers' arm making the other offense one-dimensional.

Anyone else reminded of the Peyton Colts? Defense is playing just good enough, relying on offense to carry them. Peyton's Colts went 13-0 in 2005 & 2009 and couldn't win it all, but won it all in 2006 after a 10-3 start. Look now when Peyton is gone.

[Stevedore]

Woodson and Matthews are not top 5 defenders.

The old man is having a better year then your boy Revis, it's not even close!

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=INTERCEPTIONS&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG

[Emily_Haines]

Any way you slice it, GB is dead last in yards per play allowed. GB is nearly last in defensive fumbles recovered. GB is 2nd worst in 1st downs allowed. GB is nearly last in Pass TDs allowed. Any way you slice it, GB has some problems on defense which would be a huge problem if not for Aaron Rodgers' arm making the other offense one-dimensional.

Anyone else reminded of the Peyton Colts? Defense is playing just good enough, relying on offense to carry them. Peyton's Colts went 13-0 in 2005 & 2009 and couldn't win it all, but won it all in 2006 after a 10-3 start. Look now when Peyton is gone.

Are you one of those guys that buys into that defense wins championships crap? That's not how the game is played any more. It's all about offense and big offenses win championships. Green Bay's is not only the best it is the best in NFL history and by a good margin.

[Stevedore]

Any way you slice it, GB is dead last in yards per play allowed. GB is nearly last in defensive fumbles recovered. GB is 2nd worst in 1st downs allowed. GB is nearly last in Pass TDs allowed. Any way you slice it, GB has some problems on defense which would be a huge problem if not for Aaron Rodgers' arm making the other offense one-dimensional.

Anyone else reminded of the Peyton Colts? Defense is playing just good enough, relying on offense to carry them. Peyton's Colts went 13-0 in 2005 & 2009 and couldn't win it all, but won it all in 2006 after a 10-3 start. Look now when Peyton is gone.

Yards? Are you serious? It's all about turning the ball over and points ALLOWED genius. GB is ranked 15th in the league in points allowed and 1st in interceptions. BTW, the Patriots are ranked 14th in the league in points allowed and 3rd in interceptions.

Yeah, yards are real important, the two best teams in the league are 31st and 32nd in yards given up; keep trying.

[rockhardfister]

Are you one of those guys that buys into that defense wins championships crap? That's not how the game is played any more. It's all about offense and big offenses win championships. Green Bay's is not only the best it is the best in NFL history and by a good margin.

Best in NFL History and they wont even get it done this year. Too Funny!

[Stevedore]

Woodson and Polamalu have to be one of the most overrated DB's of all time.

Thought someone had a good piece on woodson how badly he plays, can't cover anything, just interferes every play.

Same as Polamalu, overplays and gets burned all the time, then people praise him because he takes twenty chances and gets one int out of it.

So, the guy who is one pick 6 away from tying his HOF cousin Rod Woodson for the all time lead is overrated? You're focusing too much on Woddson's cover corner skills RIGHT NOW; he was a far better cover corner 3 or 4 years ago when he was younger and strictly played outside the numbers. He doesn't play outside much anymore, mostly in the slot. He's morphed into a hybrid safety/LB/DB as he's gotten older, and is still playing at a very high level, not sure what you are watching.

[slacker00]

Yards? Are you serious? It's all about turning the ball over and points ALLOWED genius. GB is ranked 15th in the league in points allowed and 1st in interceptions. BTW, the Patriots are ranked 14th in the league in points allowed and 3rd in interceptions.

Yeah, yards are real important, the two best teams in the league are 31st and 32nd in yards given up; keep trying.

We don't know the two best teams yet. That's what the playoffs and Super Bowl is for, that's the whole point.

[slacker00]

Are you one of those guys that buys into that defense wins championships crap? That's not how the game is played any more. It's all about offense and big offenses win championships. Green Bay's is not the best in NFL history and by a good margin.

2011 Packers thru 13 games: 466 pts (35.8 ppg)
2007 Pats thru 13 games: 503 pts (38.7 ppg)

[Emily_Haines]

2011 Packers thru 13 games: 466 pts (35.8 ppg)
2007 Pats thru 13 games: 503 pts (38.7 ppg)

Patriots used hurry up offense that year.

When you look at ypp and ppp their is no comparison

Plus Patriots play home games and division opponents where elements are less likely to be a factor

[slacker00]

Patriots used hurry up offense that year.

When you look at ypp and ppp their is no comparison

Plus Patriots play home games and division opponents where elements are less likely to be a factor

Why don't you quote the ypp & ppp thru 13 games for the 2007 pats. I don't feel like always looking this stuff up.

You've gotta be kidding. 2/3 of Packers division opponents play in a dome! Weather hasn't been a factor yet in 2011.

[Emily_Haines]

Why don't you quote the ypp & ppp thru 13 games for the 2007 pats. I don't feel like always looking this stuff up. You've gotta be kidding. 2/3 of Packers division opponents play in a dome! Weather hasn't been a factor yet in 2011.

2011 Green Bay 6.49 ypp
2007 New England 6.22 ypp

2011 Green Bay .57601 ppp
2007 New England .55671 ppp

Throw in the weather factors and strength of schedule and there is really no comparison in these offenses. Green Bays is hands down WAY better.

[Muscles]

Yea this is a pretty darn good bet...they will obviously have home field advantage, which is huge there, and they clearly can beat anybody anywhere...I don't see any NFC teams that can compete except for the Saints in NO, which can't happen.

[Stevedore]

We don't know the two best teams yet. That's what the playoffs and Super Bowl is for, that's the whole point.

I'm out of line for calling GB the best team in the NFC after starting 13-0, yet you can make assumptions about GB defense? Don't think so buddy..

[Goat Milk]

Any way you slice it, GB is dead last in yards per play allowed. GB is nearly last in defensive fumbles recovered. GB is 2nd worst in 1st downs allowed. GB is nearly last in Pass TDs allowed. Any way you slice it, GB has some problems on defense which would be a huge problem if not for Aaron Rodgers' arm making the other offense one-dimensional. Anyone else reminded of the Peyton Colts? Defense is playing just good enough, relying on offense to carry them. Peyton's Colts went 13-0 in 2005 & 2009 and couldn't win it all, but won it all in 2006 after a 10-3 start. Look now when Peyton is gone.

2009 Saints SB team. How was their defense ranked? They were #1 in takeaways just like GB but I don't remember their defense being good.

Post stats if you get a chance

[slacker00]

I'm out of line for calling GB the best team in the NFC after starting 13-0, yet you can make assumptions about GB defense? Don't think so buddy..

I'm posting stats that are widely available, no assumptions at all. Feel free to quote any of my "assumptions".

As for your magical 13-0, ask the 2007 Pats, 2009 Colts, 2005 Colts, etc. None of them ended up being #1 in the end.

[slacker00]

2009 Saints SB team. How was their defense ranked? They were #1 in takeaways just like GB but I don't remember their defense being good.

Post stats if you get a chance

Yeah, I was looking this over this afternoon. Here's some interesting stats:

Super Bowl Champion rankings in points allowed, yards allowed, 1st downs allowed
2010 GB (pts: #2, yards: #4, 1st downs: #5)
2009 NO (pts: #20, yards: #25, 1st downs: #22)
2008 PIT (pts: #1, yards: #1, 1st downs: #2)
2007 NYG (pts: #17, yards: #7, 1st downs: #10)
2006 IND (pts: #23, yards: #21, 1st downs: #28)
2005 PIT (pts: #3, yards: #4, 1st downs: #9)
2004 NE (pts: #2, yards: #9, 1st downs: #10)
2003 NE (pts: #1, yards: #7, 1st downs: #17)
2002 TB (pts: #1, yards: #1, 1st downs: #1)

By comparison:
2011 GB (pts: #15, yards: #31, 1st downs: #28)


So, yeah, it can be done. The 2006 Colts & 2009 Saints did it with marginal defenses. But it's the exception, not the rule.

[Lock Of The Aeon]

[Sunde91]

how many posts is slacker going to go on arguing about nothing

75% of this clown's posts are hating on GB trying to find anything that shows them in a negative light. I recall before the season he said GB would let down huge, Rodgers would get hurt, and GB to win the North -250 and Super Bowl +700 were dumb bets. Meanwhile he'd focus on longshots like the Bears lol

[Goat Milk]

2009 NO (pts: #20, yards: #25, 1st downs: #22, #1 in Takeaways) sb champs

Packers this year are very similar. i bet they finish around the same stats

[PAULYPOKER]

2 teams can beat the Pack in the NFC..........

Giants

Saints


3 teams in the AFC can beat the pack..........

Steelers

Ravens

Jets,yes the Jets they are starting to jell at the most crucial time of the season..............

[Goat Milk]

2 teams can beat the Pack in the NFC.......... Giants Saints 3 teams in the AFC can beat the pack.......... Steelers Ravens Jets,yes the Jets they are starting to jell at the most crucial time of the season..............

saints won't beat the packers

[Outhouse Tim]

Season not over but if GB's pass D% slips even a little bit then yes, Saints take over as team to beat. GB is a GREAT team, but not bullet proof.

[Fishhead]

how many posts is slacker going to go on arguing about nothing

75% of this clown's posts are hating on GB trying to find anything that shows them in a negative light. I recall before the season he said GB would let down huge, Rodgers would get hurt, and GB to win the North -250 and Super Bowl +700 were dumb bets. Meanwhile he'd focus on longshots like the Bears lol

[crustyme]

isnt this the same she-male that predicted north korea would attack the us, uss carl vinson would be bombed, stock market would crash to 0 and that the world would end on may & oct 2011?

[Emily_Haines]

odds on this prop up to -170 at 5dimes, so lots of other must agree.

[PaperTrail07]

that bet is $

[Stevedore]

I'm posting stats that are widely available, no assumptions at all. Feel free to quote any of my "assumptions".

As for your magical 13-0, ask the 2007 Pats, 2009 Colts, 2005 Colts, etc. None of them ended up being #1 in the end.

The problem with your stats is you conviently leave out the two most important stats for a defense, points allowed and forcing turnovers. As for those 3 teams you mentioned, the Colts let off the gas in both 09 and 05 killing their momentum and the Pats started trending downward very late in the year. GB will not let off the gas and it remains to be seen if they start trending downward.

[BernardMadoff]

When I think of great DB I think of great cover guys, getting alot of INT's does not make you a great cover guy.

[Fishhead]

When I think of great DB I think of great cover guys, getting alot of INT's does not make you a great cover guy.

Woodson DOES IT ALL.................

COVER, TACKLE, INTERCEPTIONS, FUMBLES, FORCED FUMBLES, LEADERSHIP..................he is one of the best football players of his era.

[Stevedore]

When I think of great DB I think of great cover guys, getting alot of INT's does not make you a great cover guy.

I guess that Heisman trophy he won as a DEFENSIVE player at Michigan and winning defensive POY
in 2009 were just flukes.

[warriorfan707]

3 teams in the AFC can beat the pack..........

Steelers

Ravens

Jets,yes the Jets they are starting to jell at the most crucial time of the season..............

whatever you're smoking feel free to ship me some

[slacker00]

how many posts is slacker going to go on arguing about nothing

75% of this clown's posts are hating on GB trying to find anything that shows them in a negative light. I recall before the season he said GB would let down huge, Rodgers would get hurt, and GB to win the North -250 and Super Bowl +700 were dumb bets. Meanwhile he'd focus on longshots like the Bears lol

Quote me. I never said this. Funny how I quote exact stats but you have to make up information. Who's the clown?

[slacker00]

The problem with your stats is you conviently leave out the two most important stats for a defense, points allowed and forcing turnovers. As for those 3 teams you mentioned, the Colts let off the gas in both 09 and 05 killing their momentum and the Pats started trending downward very late in the year. GB will not let off the gas and it remains to be seen if they start trending downward.

Do you mean 2007 week 17 Pats 38 Giants 35? Yeah, that should've been a warning sign to everyone.

I quoted the turnovers earlier in this thread, so you're wrong about that. Points allowed? Packers are #13 in 2011.