Green Bay to win the NFC @ -150 is as close to free money as you get

[p19101]

gb is not winning the nfc.

way to jinx the field

[Fishhead]

Woodson and Polamalu have to be one of the most overrated DB's of all time.

Thought someone had a good piece on woodson how badly he plays, can't cover anything, just interferes every play.

Same as Polamalu, overplays and gets burned all the time, then people praise him because he takes twenty chances and gets one int out of it.

WOODSON is better than Polamalu...............both could certainly be OVERrated because like many great players, they receive great attention from the media.

But make no bones about it, both are better than just ALL-PRO and HALL OF FAME players..............they are both great, Woodson slightly more so.


Not sure if WOODSON is OVERrated actually.................some would state he is UNDERrated.

[slacker00]

He is being considered for DEFENSIVE PLAYER of the year currently, an award he won just two years ago if not mistaken................and how is a SAFETY not considerd a DEFENSIVE BACK???

WOODSON is one of a select few GREAT DEFENSIVE players we have seen in the past 30 years..............

The knock on Woodson is his durability. He seems to finish every season with an injury and fades down the stretch every year. At age 35, he's getting towards the end and every game from here on out is a gift.

Sure Woodson won a DPOY award but so did Bob Sanders and sucked ever since. I wouldn't even have him in the top 5 for DPOY this year, 1.Allen 2.Suggs 3.JPP 4.Willis 5.VonMiller. I know he's got some nifty fantasy numbers, but he's not even a top 5 NFL DB anymore.

[yisman]

Plus, Woodson didn't even deserve DPOY.

People who actually know something about defensive back play mostly agreed DARRELLE REVIS deserved it.

[Goat Milk]

Woodson and Matthews are not top 5 defenders.

you're right. woodson might be the best cornerback the league has ever seen. no corner in the history of the nfl can tackle like charles woodson

[Goat Milk]

The knock on Woodson is his durability. He seems to finish every season with an injury and fades down the stretch every year. At age 35, he's getting towards the end and every game from here on out is a gift. Sure Woodson won a DPOY award but so did Bob Sanders and sucked ever since. I wouldn't even have him in the top 5 for DPOY this year, 1.Allen 2.Suggs 3.JPP 4.Willis 5.VonMiller. I know he's got some nifty fantasy numbers, but he's not even a top 5 NFL DB anymore.

I'm pretty sure that woodson is the leading cornerback tackler in the NFL EVERY YEAR

He is also up there in picks this year.

Fades down stretch? I remember Woodson almost taking the shitty fukin raiders to through the AFC when he sacked Brady and then they invented that "tuck rule"



You guys don't remember woodson on the raiders, do you. People were scared to throw his way.

Also heisman winner. For a CB. Let me know when else that has happened.

[rockhardfister]

When somebody stops Rodgers from being timely and accurate....you let me know!

They had problems at Soldier field last year before Cutler got hurt. That game was close. Additionally, Philly had a chance to beat them in Philly on Cold night. That game came down to a Vick INT in last minute. Rodgers has admitted that he does not like playing in the Cold. When people start dropping his missles because its 0 degrees out do you think that Starks and Grant can deliver? Maybe. Im just saying, this team is built for indoor conditions. Bad weather is the only chance the field has to take down the Pack and now they are getting 2x games at home in Jan. You tell me?

[dlunc3]

this is the dumbest bet i have ever seen... -150? really?

[Sunde91]

giants have the best shot. tough RBs, clutch QB. If the whole team (Eli already has it) finds the heart they had in 2007, they can do it

saints are soft and not worth shit outside Brees. Brees needs to go like 32/35 3 TDs 0 INTs to win

Niners have 0.00% chance to win in Lambeau -3 degrees. Smith would choke to death on that stage. O/U 3 INTs. Pass D is horrible (torn up by SKELTON last week). No way in hell they are ready for a win like that

[PAULYPOKER]

NFL 12/29/2007

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[PAULYPOKER]

NFL 02/03/2008

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[Mr Handicapable]

[quote=rockhardfister;12779164]They had problems at Soldier field last year before Cutler got hurt. That game was close. Additionally, Philly had a chance to beat them in Philly on Cold night. That game came down to a Vick INT in last minute. Rodgers has admitted that he does not like playing in the Cold. When people start dropping his missles because its 0 degrees out do you think that Starks and Grant can deliver? Maybe. Im just saying, this team is built for indoor conditions. Bad weather is the only chance the field has to take down the Pack and now they are getting 2x games at home in Jan. You tell me?[/quote

GB struggles with Chicago somewhat because Soldier Field is one of the most torn up fields in the NFL and the Bears know them so well. On your other point...who likes playing in sub freezing weather? I get what you're saying but what power running/great defensive team are you speaking of from the NFC that can overpower them? There isn't one. The Giants are probably worse running the ball than the Packers. Saints and Falcons are southern dome teams. Reality is catching up with SF. The Bears are done....who else is there? Finally....Pro Bowl Tackle Chad Clifton will be back shortly to protect Rodgers blind side. I'd say GB makes the SB atleast 65% of the time which makes -150 a decent value

[Jonah]

I like Woodson, but he holds and is very prone to being exposed. D coordinator is a genius for putting him in great spots.

[soccerzyko]

Probably true

[Stevedore]

Horrible advice. Just horrible.

I wouldn't take Green Bay to make the Super Bowl at -120. Significant flaws on D, no running game to speak of and injuries all over the place.

They didn't have a running game all last year either and won it all. Injuries all over the place? Do they have 16 guys on IR likethey did last year?

Let me know the name of your dealer, I want want ever you're consuming!

[Stevedore]

Not sure why people put so much stock in getting the playoff bye. As a Pats fan I've seen firsthand how badly that extra week can throw off a teams rhythm and momentum. When its one and done, there is nothing more important than those 2 things.

Obviously GB has tremendous talent and the QB who is easily best in the league right now, but this team is probably not even as good as the 07 Pats, and we all know how that turned out. Having that extra week will hurt more than help.

That 2007 Pat's team was trending downward the latter part of the year, both teams are very similar; great offenses
and average defenses, but until GB starts to trend downward.......

[rockhardfister]

[QUOTE=Mr Handicapable;12781682]

They had problems at Soldier field last year before Cutler got hurt. That game was close. Additionally, Philly had a chance to beat them in Philly on Cold night. That game came down to a Vick INT in last minute. Rodgers has admitted that he does not like playing in the Cold. When people start dropping his missles because its 0 degrees out do you think that Starks and Grant can deliver? Maybe. Im just saying, this team is built for indoor conditions. Bad weather is the only chance the field has to take down the Pack and now they are getting 2x games at home in Jan. You tell me?[/quote

GB struggles with Chicago somewhat because Soldier Field is one of the most torn up fields in the NFL and the Bears know them so well. On your other point...who likes playing in sub freezing weather? I get what you're saying but what power running/great defensive team are you speaking of from the NFC that can overpower them? There isn't one. The Giants are probably worse running the ball than the Packers. Saints and Falcons are southern dome teams. Reality is catching up with SF. The Bears are done....who else is there? Finally....Pro Bowl Tackle Chad Clifton will be back shortly to protect Rodgers blind side. I'd say GB makes the SB atleast 65% of the time which makes -150 a decent value

Agree its a good bet and they should get there. However, the Giants and the Falcons are both capable of playing great defense and eating the clock up. GB blew the doors off ATL last year and also handled them this year but that doesnt mean its always going to be like that. ATL may look like a dome team but they can run and they they have an effective short passing game, the #2 rush def and #10 pass def. I dont know how anyone can discount the Saints! common man. Giants D is capable of taking over any game but they havent been healthy in the secondary. This thing is wide open.

[Fishhead]

I'm pretty sure that woodson is the leading cornerback tackler in the NFL EVERY YEAR

He is also up there in picks this year.

Fades down stretch? I remember Woodson almost taking the shitty fukin raiders to through the AFC when he sacked Brady and then they invented that "tuck rule"



You guys don't remember woodson on the raiders, do you. People were scared to throw his way.

Also heisman winner. For a CB. Let me know when else that has happened.

He is also THE MASTER at stripping the football................he practically invented it.

Guy is so good it's unbelievable.

By the way, he is also a GREAT LEADER............he has more leadership qualities in his little pinky than Revis does in half his body.

Woodson is do darn good!

[rockhardfister]

They didn't have a running game all last year either and won it all. Injuries all over the place? Do they have 16 guys on IR likethey did last year?

Let me know the name of your dealer, I want want ever you're consuming!

Your starting to sound like Patriot fans. In the last decade your Pack got beat by NY in the NFC championship game and VICKtimized by the Falcons at Lambeau.

[Fishhead]

Your starting to sound like Patriot fans. In the last decade your Pack got beat by NY in the NFC championship game and VICKtimized by the Falcons at Lambeau.

...........and in the history of the NFL, they have the most championships....................13!

[LT Profits]

You can count out Houston.

No you can't. Great defense and great running game can carry mediocre QB. Trent Dilfer anyone?

[LT Profits]

TEBOW plays in the AFC...........




Everything considered, this forum may have the largest contingent of nitwits in gaming forumville.

So? Field is +101 to win Super Bowl.

[k13]

No you can't. Great defense and great running game can carry mediocre QB. Trent Dilfer anyone?

"Great" is relative.

You don't play Jax/Colts/Browns/Bengals/etc. in the playoffs.

[LT Profits]

"Great" is relative.

You don't play Jax/Colts/Browns/Bengals/etc. in the playoffs.

Patriots are only offense that will give them trouble among current playoff teams, bigger concern is scoring vs. Balt/Pitt defenses

[nyplayer33]

they will be 10.5 to 11 pts first game and depending who they play in nfc title game and how they played id say -8 to minus 9...

[Fishhead]

Patriots are only offense that will give them trouble among current playoff teams, bigger concern is scoring vs. Balt/Pitt defenses

The SAINTS and PACKERS will cause trouble for any current defense in the NFL.................

[LT Profits]

The SAINTS and PACKERS will cause trouble for any current defense in the NFL.................

I meant AFC, sorry. I was indirectly responding to guy that said only teams that can beat Pack are in AFC, and more directly to yisman that Houston is not one of them.

[slacker00]

I'm pretty sure that woodson is the leading cornerback tackler in the NFL EVERY YEAR

He is also up there in picks this year.

Fades down stretch? I remember Woodson almost taking the shitty fukin raiders to through the AFC when he sacked Brady and then they invented that "tuck rule"



You guys don't remember woodson on the raiders, do you. People were scared to throw his way.

Also heisman winner. For a CB. Let me know when else that has happened.

Charles Woodson is ranked #39 in tackles amongst DBs in 2011.
He has never been ranked higher than #20 in tackles amongst DBs.

If you want to ignore his 35 year age and pretend he's still 25, I guess you can dream.

[Goat Milk]

Charles Woodson is ranked #39 in tackles amongst DBs in 2011. He has never been ranked higher than #20 in tackles amongst DBs. If you want to ignore his 35 year age and pretend he's still 25, I guess you can dream.

i said cornerbacks, not db's. there's a huge difference....

woodson might be the leading cornerback tackler in nfl history.

[OTL]

When somebody stops Rodgers from being timely and accurate....you let me know!

They don't have to, he could get sidelined with another concussion. If that happens = Green Bay is done. Especially against an aggressive and hard hitting defence like the Giants, I would be shitting me pants on a futures bet like this.

[Mr Handicapable]

They don't have to, he could get sidelined with another concussion. If that happens = Green Bay is done. Especially against an aggressive and hard hitting defence like the Giants, I would be shitting me pants on a futures bet like this.

This same monster Giants D that just gave up 4 tds/no picks to Tony Romo with receivers running downfield all by themselves.

Rodgers could get hurt....anyone could get hurt but the original thread is about the line of (-150). That means that 40% of the time Rodgers would be knocked out of the game and Flynn would be unable to win it. He missed 1 game last year because his head got bounced off the Detroit turf. These will be on grass....you people are grasping at straws. Huge HUGE upset if anyone beats GB in Lambeau this year.

[Fishhead]

They don't have to, he could get sidelined with another concussion. If that happens = Green Bay is done. Especially against an aggressive and hard hitting defence like the Giants, I would be shitting me pants on a futures bet like this.

The one that just surrundered 38 pts to the Packers?

[Fishhead]

If you want to ignore his 35 year age and pretend he's still 25, I guess you can dream.

He won the defensive MVP a mere two years ago.........and is contending for the award again this year.

By the way, Clay Matthews won the defensive MVP last season..........

The Packers are the defending Superbowl champions.

[slacker00]

He won the defensive MVP a mere two years ago.........and is contending for the award again this year.

By the way, Clay Matthews won the defensive MVP last season..........

Woodson is NOT contending for the award this year, there's at least a dozen guys higher. He's not even DMVP of his team.

Clay Matthews did NOT win the defensive POY award last year, Troy Polamalu did. There is no "defensive MVP".

[slacker00]

i said cornerbacks, not db's. there's a huge difference....

woodson might be the leading cornerback tackler in nfl history.

Total Tackles by cornerbacks in 2011:
87 Jason McCourty TEN
86 Charles Tillman CHI
79 Deangelo Hall WAS
72 Kyle Arrington NE
71 Devin McCourty NE
69 Tim Jennings CHI
67 Ronde Barber TB
63 Cortland Finnegan TEN
62 Cedric Griffin MIN
62 Ladarius Webb BAL
62 Cary Williams BAL
61 Charles Woodson GB

Woodson is 12th on this list, which is no where near elite considering the NFL only has 64 starting CBs.


Total Tackles by cornerbacks career (active)
1157 Ronde Barber (1997-2011)
991 Antoine Winfield (1999-2011)
886 Charles Woodson (1998-2011)

Woodson is 3rd on the total tackles active career list for CBs, but it's mostly a tribute to his longevity over 14 seasons.

I also did a search of career active CB tackles/game (min 100 tackles) and Woodson is only #24 on that list.