Does anyone here believe in christ?

[onetrickpony]

It's been a long process, but I believe. I started at the end of the spectrum and asked myself if there was a God. Of course there's a God. The earth doesn't revolve in perfect symmetry around a random minor star on its own. Then I went from there. I saw that there is true evil in the world. I have twin nieces that I love very much and there is a risk everyday that someone will rape, abuse, or kill them. There is true evil in the world. Since I know there is evil, there has to be good. And since I know there is good, it has to be defined. I know that I'm a pretty good person in a lot of respects, but I know that when I go before a perfect God, he will know everything that I've done, and I am guilty before a Holy God. I started reading the Bible for myself and I saw the truth. That evil has a name and he is the god of this world, Satan. I read about the sinful nature that is in everyone, and how it's obvious. Sexual immorality, anger, envy, selfishness, etc. Then when I read all 4 Gospels, faith came to me. What I read, man could not make up. The Gospel and salvation is a miracle. Having my sins forgiven and instantly given the righteousness of Christ not of my works but because of Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection...it's awesome. Romans 5:8 says that while were dead in sin, Christ died for us. When we come to Christ, we are justified before God. It is not of works but in faith alone. The more I read the Bible, I love learning about the Lord and his great love for me. How rich is God? He is better than sin, and better than life itself. Our life here on earth is just a vapor, and will be gone in an instant. But a treasure beyond imagination is looming just around the corner for those who believe and follow Jesus.

ur a fool get help soon pal

[Iced]

They are all dead. My God died on a cross and rose from the dead.

I feel sad for you that you're actually serious.

[King Mayan]

religions are based on fear. god has to scare people to get them to worship him.

Your whole life is based on fear and insecurities...

Believing in Jesus actually helps me with that fear...

[King Mayan]

I feel sad for you that you're actually serious.

don't feel sad, it's not your brain....

[chilidog]

Your whole life is based on fear and insecurities...

Believing in Jesus actually helps me with that fear...

if you dont believe in jesus, you get to suffer in eternal damnation. you burn forever in a lake of fire and brimstone, with no cessation of the pain. fear. funny, satan doesnt have to make such claims to get followers, but the supreme almighty has to? doesn't seem logical

[Fishhead]

Did JESUS gamble?

[Albert Pujols]

I feel sad for you that you're actually serious.

I would bet that you haven't thought about or studied any evidence for the resurrection.

[Iced]

I would bet that you haven't thought about or studied any evidence for the resurrection.

I have. Let's hear the evidence pal. Enlighten me.

[Albert Pujols]

ur a fool get help soon pal

Of course I'm a fool to the world. Paul said that if there were no resurrection, we Christians should be pitied more than anyone. The Gospel will always be foolishness to those that don't understand.

[JohnGalt2341]

Your whole life is based on fear and insecurities... Believing in Jesus actually helps me with that fear...

I've never met a Christian that actually knows this but... the STORY of Jesus is not an original one. Watch this video. Then, do YOUR OWN research. Come back and tell me where this video is wrong.

This is what I predict you and all Christians on this board will do: First off, I'd be shocked if you watch the entire video as soon as you find out that it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #2 If you do happen to watch the entire video you won't do any research on anything mentioned in the video because it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #3 If you do happen to do the research... well... let's not kid ourselves. None of you have done that, have you? If you CLAIM that you have, please indicate anything mentioned in this video that is incorrect.

I'm honestly not trying to offend any Believers out there. But the belief in God reminds me of people's belief in their favorite sports team. No matter how awful your favorite sports team is people almost always believe that "THIS YEAR THEY WILL BE GOOD!". It's like the old SNL skit about Da Bears. They would always predict the score something like... Da Bears... 98 Patriots 3. It's what they wanted to believe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's exactly like people's belief in their Religion.

[ThaWoj]

There are thousands of Gods and deities that have been invented throughout humanity.

Atheists/agnostics don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods.

Christians don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods either.

Well, minus one. Curious to see how their process of elimination brought them to Yahweh rather than Rah, Zeus, or Muhammad.

mannn you are stupid. get your shit straight before you start making every other post on this thread. first off, agnostics dont necessarily 'dont' believe, they are considered 'skeptics' and face their skepticism on lack of proof. Christians dont believe in any other gods because they are instructed not to do so.

Lastly, Muhammad isnt a 'god' douchebag, he's a prophet and was a human just like Jesus. Muslims have the same God as Christians (yes Allah is the same thing as the Christian God - just for the uneducated)... you need to know some things about religion before bashing it

[King Mayan]

Did JESUS gamble?

Yes. His life.

[onetrickpony]

mannn you are stupid. get your shit straight before you start making every other post on this thread. first off, agnostics dont necessarily 'dont' believe, they are considered 'skeptics' and face their skepticism on lack of proof. Christians dont believe in any other gods because they are instructed not to do so. Lastly, Muhammad isnt a 'god' douchebag, he's a prophet and was a human just like Jesus. Muslims have the same God as Christians (yes Allah is the same thing as the Christian God - just for the uneducated)... you need to know some things about religion before bashing it

ur calling him stupid over some fairly tales

[bleek88]

I sure hope so

[Iced]

mannn you are stupid. get your shit straight before you start making every other post on this thread. first off, agnostics dont necessarily 'dont' believe, they are considered 'skeptics' and face their skepticism on lack of proof.

One can either believe or not believe in something. I'd like you to show me a definition of agnosticism that includes belief in a god. Sure, some agnostics may claim that knowing whether or not God exists is unknowable, but no agnostics "believe" in an individual God.

Christians dont believe in any other gods because they are instructed not to do so.

Right, that's my point. How did Christians come upon the conclusion that there one God is the correct God among the other thousands.

Lastly, Muhammad isnt a 'god' douchebag, he's a prophet and was a human just like Jesus.

I never made the claim that Muhammad is a God. Nice try looking smart though.

Muslims have the same God as Christians (yes Allah is the same thing as the Christian God - just for the uneducated)...

No, they're not the same God. Islam and Christianity are each Abrahamic religions, and their view on God is similar, but they're not the same.

you need to know some things about religion before bashing it

Maybe you should heed your own advice. You just embarrassed yourself.

[Albert Pujols]

I've never met a Christian that actually knows this but... the STORY of Jesus is not an original one. Watch this video. Then, do YOUR OWN research. Come back and tell me where this video is wrong.

This is what I predict you and all Christians on this board will do: First off, I'd be shocked if you watch the entire video as soon as you find out that it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #2 If you do happen to watch the entire video you won't do any research on anything mentioned in the video because it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #3 If you do happen to do the research... well... let's not kid ourselves. None of you have done that, have you? If you CLAIM that you have, please indicate anything mentioned in this video that is incorrect.

I'm honestly not trying to offend any Believers out there. But the belief in God reminds me of people's belief in their favorite sports team. No matter how awful your favorite sports team is people almost always believe that "THIS YEAR THEY WILL BE GOOD!". It's like the old SNL skit about Da Bears. They would always predict the score something like... Da Bears... 98 Patriots 3. It's what they wanted to believe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's exactly like people's belief in their Religion.

I haven't watched the video yet, because I'm at work. But I will watch it. I do know that there were tons of messiah stories preceding Christ. They all died and that was the end. But then came Jesus, and we now base our calendar on before Christ and after.

[Albert Pujols]

Ok, I just watched the video. I would agree that the god of this world, Satan himself, devised these stories and false messiahs. He will go to no end while trying to deceive humanity. Nothing in this video discourages me. The years before Christ are forever labeled BC because he was the most influential person in the history of the world.

[ThaWoj]

One can either believe or not believe in something. I'd like you to show me a definition of agnosticism that includes belief in a god. Sure, some agnostics may claim that knowing whether or not God exists is unknowable, but no agnostics "believe" in an individual God.
Right, that's my point. How did Christians come upon the conclusion that there one God is the correct God among the other thousands.
I never made the claim that Muhammad is a God. Nice try looking smart though.

No, they're not the same God. Islam and Christianity are each Abrahamic religions, and their view on God is similar, but they're not the same.
Maybe you should heed your own advice. You just embarrassed yourself.

Originally Posted by Iced
There are thousands of Gods and deities that have been invented throughout humanity.

Atheists/agnostics don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods.

Christians don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods either.

Well, minus one. Curious to see how their process of elimination brought them to Yahweh rather than Rah, Zeus, or Muhammad.

[ThaWoj]

And of course Islam and Christianity are based on different beliefs dumbass, but my point is that Allah = God which is the same God. Some people think that its a whole 'nother God. When my friend Ahmad prays to Allah and I pray to my God, we're talking to the same God. Its not like saying our God and the Hindu's Buddah are the same God.

Don't try to sound like you have an answer for everything because bullshit doesnt equal answers.

[Illusion]

I can not honestly answer this question because my feelings on this subject change constantly. The science for believeing in (a god) just don't seem to be there, but I have wittnessed some shit that makes me scratch my head.

[Albert Pujols]

I've never met a Christian that actually knows this but... the STORY of Jesus is not an original one. Watch this video. Then, do YOUR OWN research. Come back and tell me where this video is wrong.

This is what I predict you and all Christians on this board will do: First off, I'd be shocked if you watch the entire video as soon as you find out that it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #2 If you do happen to watch the entire video you won't do any research on anything mentioned in the video because it doesn't agree with what you already believe. #3 If you do happen to do the research... well... let's not kid ourselves. None of you have done that, have you? If you CLAIM that you have, please indicate anything mentioned in this video that is incorrect.

I'm honestly not trying to offend any Believers out there. But the belief in God reminds me of people's belief in their favorite sports team. No matter how awful your favorite sports team is people almost always believe that "THIS YEAR THEY WILL BE GOOD!". It's like the old SNL skit about Da Bears. They would always predict the score something like... Da Bears... 98 Patriots 3. It's what they wanted to believe. It has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It's exactly like people's belief in their Religion.

Even though you reject my beliefs and ultimately my God, I respect the fact that you have researched, something very few Christians do. I think it's an absolute travesty that most Christians celebrate Easter, and have no idea that it is a pagan holiday with origins in direct opposition to Christianity. Please call out any Christians you know that celebrate Easter instead of the Passover. It's an embarrassment.

[Iced]

Originally Posted by Iced
There are thousands of Gods and deities that have been invented throughout humanity.

Atheists/agnostics don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods.

Christians don't believe in any of those thousands of Gods either.

Well, minus one. Curious to see how their process of elimination brought them to Yahweh rather than Rah, Zeus, or Muhammad.

Once again, where in this post do you see I make the claim that Muhammad is a God?

And of course Islam and Christianity are based on different beliefs dumbass, but my point is that Allah = God which is the same God. Some people think that its a whole 'nother God. When my friend Ahmad prays to Allah and I pray to my God, we're talking to the same God. Its not like saying our God and the Hindu's Buddah are the same God.

The idea that each Abrahamic religion (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) believe in the same exact God is debated. Besides, I never disagreed in the first place. You brought it up to look smart or something, I'm not sure what your point is by bringing this up.

Don't try to sound like you have an answer for everything because bullshit doesnt equal answers.

No need to get all worked up pal. I never made the claim to have the answer to have everything. I'm simply trying to discuss religion with solid logic, but you're letting your emotions get the best of you.

And good job not responding to any of my other points, I figured that would happen.

[Iced]

Almost 200 posts in the thread now and still no proof of the existence of God. We're all waiting.

[Albert Pujols]

Almost 200 posts in the thread now and still no proof of the existence of God. We're all waiting.

Romans 1 already did that. No need. Just kidding, don't get all worked up.

[chilidog]

Almost 200 posts in the thread now and still no proof of the existence of God. We're all waiting.

God is in the TV.

[chilidog]

Romans 1 already did that. No need. Just kidding, don't get all worked up.

Show the proof without using his book.

[King Mayan]

Almost 200 posts in the thread now and still no proof of the existence of God. We're all waiting.

And you still don't have that YouTube video of when the world was created...

[Albert Pujols]

Show the proof without using his book.

I could probably list a hundred things that prove the existence of God to me without a shadow of a doubt. That's what Romans says. Duh.

Atheists are never going to be convinced by oral arguments when they see the creation and still don't believe. I won't waste my time.

[Iced]

And you still don't have that YouTube video of when the world was created...

This Latin fallacy is known as argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try though.

[King Mayan]

This Latin fallacy is known as argumentum ad ignorantiam. Nice try though.

you have no proof that god doesn't exist....

End of story.

[Rod1010]

what proof do you have that air exists? you cant see it but it is there.

[stevenash]

I do, if you don't so be it.
Make you guys a deal, I won't tell you what or who to believe in if you do the same.

[Iced]

you have no proof that god doesn't exist.... End of story.

Negative proof fallacy. Keep 'em coming Kinger.

[King Mayan]

Negative proof fallacy. Keep 'em coming Kinger.

Damn your smart Iced....

You can categorize..

[ChileCheese]

what proof do you have that air exists? you cant see it but it is there.

For real Rod?
This is sarcasm right?