Is Derek Jeter a First Ballot Hall of Famer???

[dynamite140]

I seen many yankee games and braves games.


Majority of Jeter's hits are when the game is decided. Like if Yanks are up 8-3 in the 7th inning and he hits his usual singles.

[gryfyn1]

Mike Young ( how many casual sports fans even know who he is)
My point isn't that Jeter isn't good, or Jeter is worse than Mike Young or Miguel Tejada, my point is that he's had more advantages than anybody and that he isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is or as much as he's talked about.

Who the **** Doesn't know Micheal Young?? for about a 4 year span he was one of the most talked about young shortstops in the game! Who the **** care what a casual fan thinks.

No one here is stunned by Jeter's shiny teeth or commercials, people here are talking what he actually did on the actual field, and by all of those measures there is no doubt that he belongs in the hall of fame.

No one is claiming that he is the best ever so, you can quote guys who weren't as good a Jeter for far less time and continue to prove nothing.

[Bob Loblaw]

He is an above average singles hitter and thats it.


599 Postseason at bats? Are you serious?


Of course he is going to have the most AB's of any baseball player when his team is loaded with stars and THEY win every year and Jeter hits 1st or 2nd in the lineup.

You are really starting to give me a headache. At least the other guy makes some sense from time to time. I'm not bringing up his at bats as a statistic. I brought them up because the other guy said something about 0-1 and 1-1 and you can't take anything from that sample size (honestly not sure what he was talking about). So I brought up 599 assuming that should be a big enough sample size to draw a conclusion from.

[gryfyn1]

I seen many yankee games and braves games.


Majority of Jeter's hits are when the game is decided. Like if Yanks are up 8-3 in the 7th inning and he hits his usual singles.

You realize saying stupid shit like this just proves how stupid you are correct?

[C-Gold]

So Jeter can do no good then? How many times does he need to score for it to mean anything? How many hits does he need to have for it to mean anything? Homers, Rbi's, stolen bases, etc? Enlighten me please. A-Rods stats meaningless too because he's on one of the best offenses year after year?

A-Rod is the best player on his team, and was arguely the best player in the game for years. His body of work could statistically put him amoungst the best of all-time. Jeter? Not even close. He was never the best guy on his team, never the best in the game ( not even close) and never the best short stop. Overall, offensively or defensively.



What's going to happen if A-Rod doesn't make the hall because he took roids, and Jeter does make the hall assuming he never gets caught? Jeter couldn't hold A-Rods jock.

[gryfyn1]

What's going to happen if A-Rod doesn't make the hall because he took roids, and Jeter does make the hall assuming he never gets caught? Jeter couldn't hold A-Rods jock.

So seeing how Bonds wont make the Hall because of 'roids issue, and he was the best hitter of the last 50 years, no one should make the HOF?

[Bob Loblaw]

I seen many yankee games and braves games.


Majority of Jeter's hits are when the game is decided. Like if Yanks are up 8-3 in the 7th inning and he hits his usual singles.

It's fun to make things up to support your argument isn't it? Numbers say the exact opposite. In a tie game he's a .318 hitter. In a game within a run he's a .322 hitter. In a game within 2 runs he's a .318 hitter. And in a game with a margin of 4 runs or more runs he's a .289 hitter.

[C-Gold]

Who the **** Doesn't know Micheal Young?? for about a 4 year span he was one of the most talked about young shortstops in the game! Who the **** care what a casual fan thinks.

No one here is stunned by Jeter's shiny teeth or commercials, people here are talking what he actually did on the actual field, and by all of those measures there is no doubt that he belongs in the hall of fame.

No one is claiming that he is the best ever so, you can quote guys who weren't as good a Jeter for far less time and continue to prove nothing.

Jeter is the most overrated player of all-time in terms of being overpaid, over talked about, over appreciated, over marketed, and over generalized. He was a good player on a great team of stars for a long long time. That's grounds for the hall. He was never the best on his team, his position, or the game. He was never really truly great. That's where the arguments come in. He was never the best in any way shape or form. Just a solid guy for a long time on a team of stars that was given every advantage. There were other guys that were similar that didn't receive those advantages and that hype.

[Bob Loblaw]

A-Rod is the best player on his team, and was arguely the best player in the game for years. His body of work could statistically put him amoungst the best of all-time. Jeter? Not even close. He was never the best guy on his team, never the best in the game ( not even close) and never the best short stop. Overall, offensively or defensively.



What's going to happen if A-Rod doesn't make the hall because he took roids, and Jeter does make the hall assuming he never gets caught? Jeter couldn't hold A-Rods jock.

Again, why are you so obsessed about him not being the best player in the league or on his team. Who ******* cares? He's a great player regardless.

[C-Gold]

It's fun to make things up to support your argument isn't it? Numbers say the exact opposite. In a tie game he's a .318 hitter. In a game within a run he's a .322 hitter. In a game within 2 runs he's a .318 hitter. And in a game with a margin of 4 runs or more runs he's a .289 hitter.

I'd bet a majority of his at bats are within 0, +1 -1, +2 -2 of his at bats.

On the road his 1st at bat that will always be the case. Probably still true with his 2nd at bat, maybe even his 3rd. His 3rd or 4th is where you can see that variance. I'd bet that the majority of his career bats were in that -2 to +2 run range.

[dynamite140]

I watched more yankees games than you and i cannot believe the amt of yankee fans that love Jeter. I'm a yankee fan. But the only player i hate on the team is Jeter.

Look at Jeter's incident with the fake ball hitting him and his acting. And do you see how everytime he comes up to the plate, he tells the umpire with his hands to hold up until he is ready? Then when a ball is close to him but doesn't even hit him, he looks at the ump like WTF.

[Bob Loblaw]

I'd bet a majority of his at bats are within 0, +1 -1, +2 -2 of his at bats.

On the road his 1st at bat that will always be the case. Probably still true with his 2nd at bat, maybe even his 3rd. His 3rd or 4th is where you can see that variance. I'd bet that the majority of his career bats were in that -2 to +2 run range.

Obviously. What does it matter? It's a batting average. He's still a better hitter in a close game then a blowout game. Exact opposite of what that poster claimed.

[C-Gold]

Again, why are you so obsessed about him not being the best player in the league or on his team. Who ******* cares? He's a great player regardless.

Because you're talking about hall of fame and greatness.

If there was a robo shortstop
that automatically hit 20 hr per year
Was automatically below average fielding ( somewhere between 50% and 25%)
played for the #1 most talented team in the league and they automatically won 100 games per year.

If he played enough seasons he'd
-win a lot of games
- hit a lot of home runs

What if the robo short stop played 20 years? Then he'd have 400 home runs and 2,000 career wins and probably a few championships? What if robo short stop really took care of his health and played 26 seasons? He'd hit 520 home runs and win 2,600 games and probably a few titles.

Now would that robo short stop be a better home run hitter than the other 500 home run club guys? Would he be such a winner playing for the best team in the league that won a lot of games? Would you call him a GREAT player?

Jeter has been a good player on a great team of stars for a long time. You seriously underestimate the imact that has on his "stock". Jeter is hyped out of this statosphere. He's the most overpaid and overrated player in any sport because of suckers like you.

[Bob Loblaw]

I watched more yankees games than you and i cannot believe the amt of yankee fans that love Jeter. I'm a yankee fan. But the only player i hate on the team is Jeter.

Look at Jeter's incident with the fake ball hitting him and his acting. And do you see how everytime he comes up to the plate, he tells the umpire with his hands to hold up until he is ready? Then when a ball is close to him but doesn't even hit him, he looks at the ump like WTF.

Well, you just convinved. I didn't know this. Man this guy sucks.

[EaglesPhan36]

No doubt he goes in. Guy hit right about .300 or better for 13 straight years. Will get 3,000 hits and was the face of the Yankees. Shortstop is a very different position for the HoF. You don't have to be a power guy or even a lifetime .300 guy to get in. If you have a reputation for success or stellar play, you make it. Look at the list of SS in the HoF and their stats, all over the place for how you get in.

[Bob Loblaw]

Because you're talking about hall of fame and greatness.

If there was a robo shortstop
that automatically hit 20 hr per year
Was automatically below average fielding ( somewhere between 50% and 25%)
played for the #1 most talented team in the league and they automatically won 100 games per year.

If he played enough seasons he'd
-win a lot of games
- hit a lot of home runs

What if the robo short stop played 20 years? Then he'd have 400 home runs and 2,000 career wins and probably a few championships? What if robo short stop really took care of his health and played 26 seasons? He'd hit 520 home runs and win 2,600 games and probably a few titles.

Now would that robo short stop be a better home run hitter than the other 500 home run club guys? Would he be such a winner playing for the best team in the league that won a lot of games? Would you call him a GREAT player?

Jeter has been a good player on a great team of stars for a long time. You seriously underestimate the imact that has on his "stock". Jeter is hyped out of this statosphere. He's the most overpaid and overrated player in any sport because of suckers like you.

Just How Good is Derek Jeter?

April 21, 2010 by Michael Hoban · 3 Comments

Here is the short answer. At the end of the 2009 season, Derek Jeter moved into 6th place among the best shortstops of the modern era (since 1920). For more details, keep reading.
Bill James’ Win Shares system is the most comprehensive tool available to understand how good a season a player had. It includes offensive and defensive contributions and adjusts for all relevant factors. The CAWS Career Gauge (Career Assessment/Win Shares) uses win shares to measure how good a career a player has had.
According to the CAWS Gauge, as of the end of the 2009 season, only ninety-seven (97) position players (not pitchers) have put together obvious HOF numbers during their playing careers (since 1920). Thirteen of these players have been shortstops. Of these thirteen, Derek Jeter is in the 6th spot and moving up.
At the conclusion of the 2008 season, Jeter was in 8th place among these elite shortstops. Given his outstanding 2009 season he was able to move up two places in a single season.
Here are the thirteen shortstops who have put together obvious HOF numbers during their careers (since 1920). The first number is career win shares, the second is core value (the win shares for the ten best seasons) and the third is the CAWS score. Bold print indicates the player is in the Hall of Fame. A CAWS score of 250 is needed to establish obvious HOF numbers for a shortstop.

Player Years CWS CV CAWS 1. Alex Rodriguez 1994- 422 329 352 2. Arky Vaughan 1932-1948 356 308 320 3. Robin Yount
1974-1993 423 278 314 4. Cal Ripken Jr.
1981-2001 427 276 314 5. Luke Appling
1930-1950 378 275 301 6. Derek Jeter 1995- 348 273 292 7. Joe Cronin
1926-1945 333 275 290 8. Barry Larkin 1986-2004 347 258 280 9. Ernie Banks
1953-1971 332 247 268 10. Pee Wee Reese
1940-1958 314 246 263 11. Lou Boudreau
1938-1952 277 255 261 12. Alan Trammell 1977-1996 318 238 258 13. Ozzie Smith
1978-1996 325 226 251 Yes, Alex Rodriguez is still considered a shortstop since (through 2009) he has played more games at that position than at any other.
Note that Jeter has a core value of 273. That means that for his ten best seasons he averaged better than 27 win shares per season. To appreciate how good that really is consider that in 2009, only six American Leaguers and seven National Leaguers had 27 or more win shares.
As an aside, note where Barry Larkin appears on this list. He is the 8th best shortstop of the modern era. He has very obvious HOF numbers. Yet, in his first year on the HOF ballot (2010), he got only 51.6% of the vote. And, of course, Alan Trammell still languishes at 22.4% in his ninth year on the ballot. It does appear that many of the voters need to do some homework before voting.
It is reasonable to say that if Derek Jeter can have one or more really solid seasons there is no reason to believe that he cannot continue to pass some of these other shortstops – although that gets increasingly difficult to do as he moves higher. And, as you can see, there is almost no chance that his numbers will ever surpass those of ARod.
In case you are wondering where some other well-known shortstops stand in relation to these top performers, here are a few other names.
Player CWS CV CAWS Vern Stephens 265 239 246 Miguel Tejada
261 239 245 Joe Sewell 277 233 244 Jim Fregosi 261 226 235 Dave Bancroft 269 222 234 Tony Fernandez 280 219 234 Rabbit Maranville
302 206 230 Bert Campaneris 280 210 228 Maury Wills 253 218 227 Phil Rizzuto
231
218 221 Luis Aparicio
293
193 218 Omar Vizquel 273 182 205 Travis Jackson
211
191 196 Note that on this list there are six shortstops who are in the Hall of Fame but who do not have HOF numbers according to the CAWS Gauge. And also note that Miguel Tejada is fast approaching the 250 benchmark for shortstops.
Not only has Derek Jeter already posted obvious HOF numbers in his career, but he appears poised to finish that career ranked among the top five shortstops of the modern era.

[C-Gold]

I watched more yankees games than you and i cannot believe the amt of yankee fans that love Jeter. I'm a yankee fan. But the only player i hate on the team is Jeter.

Look at Jeter's incident with the fake ball hitting him and his acting. And do you see how everytime he comes up to the plate, he tells the umpire with his hands to hold up until he is ready? Then when a ball is close to him but doesn't even hit him, he looks at the ump like WTF.

I'm a yankee fan too and Jeter is the only Yankee I don't like.

I Hate hate hate the Red sox. I hate that cry baby rat boy Pedroa the most. I hate that gay camper looking Youkilys and his gay manuerisms. I hate that hot head Josh Becket. I hate that former Rays hot head Matt Garza. I never had a problem with David Ortiz and Manny Ramerez, papi was classy and Manny didn't give a F about the gay ass broke back redsox. I have nothing against Jacoby Ellsbury. I hate but respect Jonathan Papelbon. I hated Mike Lowell and that stupid catcher they have.

I love A-Rod, love Posada, always loved andy pettie, Lover Mo Rivera, Love Nick Swisher, Love the rest of the team. I always hated Kyle Farnsworth and I lost a lot of respect for Jeter this offseason. I had some suspicions about him but this offseason was just too much. He acted like a prick of all pricks when he had no legs to stand on.

I just watch those Redsox games and wonder how anybody could cheer for those punks like Pedroa or Youkalis. How could anybody cheer for them to do good? I say man, if they were Yankees I'd still hate them. Then I look over there at Jeter pretending to get hit by the ball... and all the other crap and I lost a lot of respect for him.

A-Rod is an easy target but he's a man. He makes mistakes. He's got so much pressure and he just wants to win, he wants to do good so yeah, he tries his best and takes losing and strikesouts and all that bad stuff to heart. He's happy when he wins and sad when he loses. I look at A-Rod and see that competitive spirt and think that's what I'd be like.

Jeter tries to come off with this holier than though appearance but he's a class A jerk in how he treated A-Rod, how he cheated, how he cried for A-Rod money when he wasn't even worth 5 million per year. Jeter was given everything and everything is not enough. They talk about what a great guy he is but that's not the case. He never backed up A-Rod when the reporters were swarming around him and he was having a sub par year. Jeter is a me me me guy and I don't like him anymore. I always thought he was overrated as he always got way too much hype but now I personally dislike him.

[dynamite140]

That said, if you're not a Yankees fan - that is, if you have a soul - there are plenty of reasons to despise Mr. Jeter. Let us count the ways:
1. The Fist-Pump - Jeter's trademark celebration for a home run, key single, stolen base, finding a nice parking spot...
2. The Number - When he joined the Yankees, Jeter wanted a single-digit number, noting that there weren't many left, and insinuating himself into such company as Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and Berra. Not shy, our Derek.
3. His range - and lack of it - By almost any measure, Derek Jeter is a below average defensive shortstop. He consistently ranks near the bottom of the league in most defensive categories. The debate about Jeter's defense isn't about good or bad, it's whether he's merely below average or the worst in the league.
4. The fact that many (Yankees fans) think he has great range - Jeter is a very good player, so there is a tendency for his supporters to think he is good at everything. He's not. If the stats don't convince you, just watch him. Ground balls up the middle go for base hits at an alarming rate - hence the joke: "What do you call a slow roller to Derek Jeter's left?" "Single up the middle!"
5. The Jump-Throw - Exhibit A in case of the illusion of Derek Jeter's fantastic defense. Here, he ranges to his right, backhands the ball, leaps into the air and fires the ball to first. Hey it looks nice, never mind the fact that if he just planted and threw, he'd still nab the runner by 20 feet.
6. Jeter the Base Coach - He's not the only major leaguer to wave his fellow baserunners around as he crosses the plate, but he's the only one who does it like a windmill in need of Ritalin.
7. Be like Derek? - Jeter's wristbands and shoes are part of Michael Jordan's Nike "Jumpman" line. That Jeter is part of such a line implies that he could be considered the Michael Jordan of baseball. That's just spooky...
8. Mariah
9. Born in 1974 - the same year that gave us the Watergate scandal, Dungeons and Dragons and the Volkswagen Golf.
10. His middle name is Sanderson
11. Has played in an appalling 23 post season series - 22 of the 30 major league franchises haven't played in that many.
12. He's really quite overrated - Yes, Jeter does a large number of things well on a baseball field. But to justify the adulation he receives, he needs to add about 20 homers a year, 30 walks and a Nobel Peace Prize.
13. Overrated does not mean bad - Yankees fans flip out when the "o-word" comes up in relation to Jeter. But Tony Gwynn was overrated, too. So was Joe DiMaggio, in that he's a top 20 all-time player, rather than a top 5. Both are still deserving Hall of Famers.
14. Has never missed the Playoffs in his career.
15. Salary - $19 million per year. Jeter has ranked in the top 5 in salary for the past 4 seasons. It's the only category in which he has placed in the top 5 for those four seasons.
16. Fox sports - They've given us baseball playing robots, and glowing pucks, and they are the undisputed world leaders in Jeter worship.
17. Guest Commentator - The first time Jeter misses the playoffs, Fox will hire him as an analyst.
18. The body armour - the huge elbow pad, shin guard, hand guard for running the bases - this guy comes with more accessories than Metrosexual GI Joe.
19. Not even the best shortstop on his own team
20. Yankees fans - you know them. The bluster. The obnoxious sense of entitlement. The cute way they pretend that their team has faced adversity. They are Jeter's most ardent defenders, but at least they follow the team with the same degree of misguided passion.
21. "Yankees" fans - these are the people who aligned themselves with the Yankees when they started winning in the 90s. They buy the camouflage Yankee hats and think that Shawn Chacon is a blend of coffee offered at Starbucks.
22. Jeter fans - a subsection of "Yankees" fans; These people identify the Yankees entirely through Jeter, generally pay little attention to baseball and have actually tried to order a Shawn Chacon at Starbucks.
23. Originally from New Jersey
24. "Mr. Clutch" - well, not really. Jeter's career numbers are .314/.386/.461. His postseason numbers are .307/.379/.463, which is about what you'd expect. Yes, he was MVP of the 2000 World Series, and has batted .400 or better in 7 post season series. He's also batted under .250 in 7 post season series.
25. Moved ARod - to 3B, despite the fact that he was both the reigning AL MVP and Gold Glove shortstop. Not a very Captain-like move, especially considering that Jeter's strengths - a strong arm and the ability to track pop ups - would make him a good third baseman and thus improve the team.
26. 2004 Gold Glove - Thanks to Nomar being dealt to the NL, incumbent gold glover ARod being moved and the highlight of Jeter's face plant catch against the Red Sox being played ad nauseum.
27. Gold Glove voters - With their lemming-like tendencies (see Palmeiro, Rafael) and now that Jeter has been honoured, he'll probably win another one.
28. 2005 Gold Glove - aw, crap...
29. "The Play" - The infamous Oakland flip-throw in game 3 of the 2001 ALDS. A nice play, but A) I'm curious to see what would've happened if he hadn't cut off the throw, since it looked like it might have been on line anyway, and B) it wouldn't have mattered if Giambi had SLID!!! Probably didn't want to break the family vial of testosterone in his back pocket.
30. Comparing "The Play" - to Willie Mays' robbery of Vic Wertz in the '54 Series, or any other famous post season play. Such comparisons overlook one important thing: the Mays ball didn't have the option of SLIDING!!! Freakin' Giambi...
31. "And you are?" - on the Giambi play, there is no mention of the catcher who A) held his position, B) fielded the flip-throw and C) slapped a perfect tag on Giambi. Jorge Posada gets zero credit for this play.
32. Top step dugout Cheerleading - Whenever a Yankee gets a hit, or - God forbid - a home run, cameras will inevitably catch Jeter leaping onto the field like a dugout Whack-a-mole - pumping his fist, naturally.
33. "Talk to the hand" - Cocky little gesture he gives the plate umpire prior to every pitch of every at-bat to signal time. Can't wait for someone to quick pitch him when he does this. First, an umpire will have to remind him that you don't call time in baseball, you ask for it.
34. Gum chewing - Hey Derek, it's gum, not cud - close your mouth once in a while.
35. Jeffrey Maier - Part of Jeter's clutch status is owed to a 12-year-old little leaguer with bad hands. Without Maier, Jeter's first big clutch hit - in game 1 of the 1996 ALCS, would be a long fly out. Umps didn't make the interference call and the legend was born.
36. Grounds into DP - double figures in every season of his career. They are all "clutch" double plays, naturally.
37. Game 4 of the 2005 ALDS - Jeter sends a dribbler to 3B Chone Figgins, who comes up throwing to the plate - the throw is offline, and routine grounder turns into heroic game-winning RBI.
38. More post-season games - than Ruth, Cobb, Aaron and Mays... combined
39. The face of baseball - Jeter can be found in virtually every ad, montage and highlight package for Major League Baseball.
40. 2002 ALCS against Anaheim - Slow grounders up the middle repeatedly ended up in centre field and the Angels pounded the Yankees.
41. Jeter the Foxbot? - For the black helicopter conspiracy theorists, you can make an argument that Jeter is in fact an android built in secret by Rupert Murdoch's minions. Consider that his rookie year and first World Series win took place in 1996, the first year Fox had MLB broadcast rights. It would also help to explain Tim McCarver's raging Jeterphilia.
42. Man-love from other broadcasters - Pat Tabler, who is otherwise completely likeable, is particularly nauseating when it comes to this, and will even lapse into speechless admiration.
43. "Catalyst" - Say Jeter leads off an inning with a routine grounder and reaches on an error. Two batters later, Gary Sheffield belts a 3-run homer. The announcers will invariably trace the rally to Jeter's inherent "clutchness."
44. Face-plant catch - Jeter's snag of a foul pop up in extra innings vs. Boston. Nice play, but he took about three full steps before leaping into the stands. Dude, pull the chute! This play did clinch the 2004 Gold Glove for him, but Juan Uribe made a better catch in the '05 World Series, and he managed to save his face, too.
45. Derek Jeter: sex symbol. Sure, he's clean cut, but he also looks "like the Rock had sex with a muppet." This quote is actually from Jeter himself, in drag as a Yankees fan during a Saturday Night Live sketch. Granted, he gets a little bit of credit for poking fun at himself. That said...
46. He hosted Saturday Night Live - Consider the athletes from other sports who've done this: Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana. Is Jeter really considered in the same sphere as those guys?!? Why not Barry Bonds? Now THAT would be some comedy.
47. His contract - The Yankees will be pay $21 million for a 36-year-old Jeter in 2010. That kind of deal will have even the Yankees hollering "Albatross!" louder than John Cleese at the Hollywood Bowl.
48. World Series rings - more than Hall of Famers Ernie Banks, Ted Lyons, Gaylord Perry, Luke Appling, George Sisler, Jim Bunning, Bobby Wallace, Billy Williams, Rod Carew, Jack Chesbro, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Fergie Jenkins, Addie Joss, George Kell, Ralph Kiner, Nap Lajoie, Ryne Sandberg, Robin Yount, Carlton Fisk, Carl Yazstremski, Robin Roberts, Bob Feller, Nolan Ryan and Walter Johnson combined.
49. Captain of the Yankees - the Yankees didn't need a captain during the DiMaggio or Mantle eras, and they seemed to do just fine.
50. #2 Jeter jerseys - the Yankees have always insisted it's the name on the front of the jersey that matters, but the fans are so insecure that they need the name plastered on the back, for fear that someone might not know who they're supporting.
51. Pink #2 Jeter jerseys - Dressing your daughter in one of these isn't child abuse per se, but it's close.
52. Tim Kurkjian Man-Crush - The ESPN writer named Jeter "The Face of Baseball" in part citing the following: "Jeter has a nice face, a rugged face, a handsome face." That's some fine baseball journalism there, Tim.
53. Derek Sanderson Jeter - is an anagram for "A Rendered Jerk So Sent"
54. "Why would he have MY cell number?" - Jeter's jerk-athlete response after being injured on Opening Day 2003 by Jays' catcher Ken Huckaby, and being told that Huckaby had called to apologize. The play was exactly the hard working type that has made Jeter a deity in New York, but how dare a career minor leaguer lay his hands - and shin pads - on the Derek.
55. Will likely one day manage the Yankees - we'll have to put up with him for another 20 years after his playing career ends.
56. If not, he'll go into politics - President Jeter, anyone?
57. Jeter on-base reaction cam - Fox has taken to showing slow-motion replays of Jeter on base after a team mate's home run, which he celebrates with a fist-pump, naturally.
58. Jeter-looking-thoughtful-in-the-dugout-cam - Fox once spent a solid 30 seconds panning in on a pensive Jeter sitting on the bench while the game was in progress. This wasn't Jeter sharing sage advice with the manager, or having words with a team mate, mind you - he was literally just sitting there. Sadly, they had to go back to the field for the next pitch, but as soon as it was delivered, presto! - right back to Jeter.
59. "Mr. November" - He did hit the first home run in the history of November baseball in 2001, but he also hit .148 overall in the Series - not exactly Reggie-like.
60. Mr. Yankee? Not so much - Has been the best player on his team exactly once in 11 full seasons - 1999, when he led the club with a .990 OPS.
61. Inclusion in the Shortstop Trinity - which could more accurately be described as "Alex Rodriguez and a couple of guys who aren't nearly as good."
62. Never won a Silver Slugger Award - that's right, despite being a shortstop whose value is largely tied to his offense, he's never been the best offensive shortstop in his league.
63. 2006 Gold Glove - Bobby Crosby and Miguel Tejada better start throwing themselves into the stands with reckless abandon.
64. Born in June - same month as Kenny G., Barry Manilow, John Dillinger. I'm not drawing any conclusions here, I'm just sayin'...
65. The Short Porch - the perfect spot for Jeter's particular brand of middling, opposite field power. 12 of his 19 homers were at Yankee Stadium in 2005.
66. Derek the Homer - Jeter has hit a Hall of Fame-like .334/.405/.505 at Yankee Stadium, but just .280/.350/.411 on the road over the past three years.
67. Home cooked scoring - Jeter would have to hoof the ball off ARod's noggin' and toss it into the 3rd deck before getting an error from the Yankee scorekeeper.
68. Fox Sports director's instructions - The shot list during a typical Fox playoff broadcast:
Batter
Pitcher
Jeter
Batter
Jeter close-up
Manager
Pitcher
Star of brand-new-soon-to-be-cancelled-Fox series
Jeter
Batter
Billy Crystal
Jeter
Jeter
Note: does not necessarily have to be a Yankees playoff game.
69. Never been the best player at his position - for even a single season. This would seem to be a prerequisite if you're going to be a legend.
70. Pyrite Glove, part 1 - Among AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Range Factor (putouts + assists divided by innings) in 2001, 2002 AND 2003.
71. Pyrite Glove, part 2 - Among AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Zone Rating in 2001, 2002 and 2003.
72. Pyrite Glove, part 3 -Jeter's range factor and zone rating have improved over the last two seasons. It's almost like he has a gold glove shortstop playing next to him...
73. Strikes out a fair bit - More than 100 Ks 6 times, and 3 more seasons with exactly 99.
74. "Strike three? Surely you jest" - The look of disbelief he gives umpires EVERY TIME he's rung up on strikes, a mixture of "that almost hit me" and "don't you know who I am?"
75. Name rhymes with "cheater."
76. That almost hit me! - His exaggerated little dive out of the way whenever a pitch comes remotely close to him.
77. Jeter the Guru - Here's a quote from Jeter's 2004 Playboy interview: "has a knack for elevating the play of his teammates." What exactly are they basing this on? ARod came to the Yankees and immediately had his worst season. Randy Johnson declined in his first season in pinstripes. Pavano, Weaver, Rondell White. Not that Jeter's to blame, but where are the guys who improved dramatically because of him? And what exactly did he do?
78. Premature Ejeterlation - this is when a broadcaster, oh let's say Tim McCarver, forecasts a Yankee rally before Jeter even steps to the plate.
79. Jeter the owner - It's one of Jeter's post-baseball goals. He won't have the money, even given his ridiculous contract, but who knows? Steinbrenner is volatile - he could become estranged from his own children, and he's always treated Jeter something like a son.... you see where this is going...
80. Tim McCarver Man-crush - There are a few dozen quotes that could be cited here, but I think I'll go with "Jeter has the calmest pair of eyes under pressure." Where's Deion Sanders with that bucket of water?
81. First guy to the Dog pile - makes sense, since he's the first guy to the top of the dugout. Just get him some pom-poms already.
82. 2.62 million hits on Google - That's more than ARod, Bonds, Pujols, Sosa, Clemens or any other player in Major League Baseball.
83. **** commercial with Steinbrenner - only St. Derek could turn a criticism from his owner - partying too late - into a marketing opportunity.
84. "Past a diving Jeter!" - Your defensive rep suffers less when you dive for everything that's going to roll past you. Slowly.
85. Astrological sign is Cancer - Just like David Duke, OJ Simpson, Lizzy Borden. Once again, I'm just sayin'...
86. Intangibles - Jeter fans and most announcers will tell you that it's his intangibles that separate Jeter from everyone else. Of course, you can't measure intangibles - that's why they're intangibles - and so you can credit Jeter with anything without being able to prove or disprove it. Fall of Communism? Jeter. Human Genome Project? also Jeter. iPod? That's right...
87. "Jeter makes that play" - Actually, unless you're talking about beer league softball, he probably doesn't. See also "Jeter woulda' had it."
88. Will one day be on the Yankees all-time team. Meanwhile there's only room for one of Mickey Mantle or Joe DiMaggio and one of Bill Dickey or Yogi Berra.
89. The Yankees $200 million payroll - See, it's this, and not Jeter's leadership that makes the players around him better. It turns Aaron Boone into Alex Rodriguez and Raul Mondesi into Gary Sheffield.
90. "Knows how to win" - perhaps the single most oft-cited and utterly ridiculous of Jeter's mystical abilities. Apparently the secret formula is a 200-HR offense, mercenary Cy Young winner de jour and the best closer in the history of baseball.
91. Bat toss - the way Jeter discards his bat as though it contains anthrax whenever he draws a walk.
92. John Kruk Man-crush - In his 2004 article "Jeter is the Ultimate Winner," Kruk wrote that he would take Jeter over Rodriguez. He repeated these thoughts later on radio: ""Right now, Derek Jeter is the best player in the game today. Hands down. I would take him over Alex Rodriguez any day." In terms of accuracy and lucidity, this quote ranks just behind "Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job!"
93. 15,000 or so - the number of Yankees fans who pack the Rogers Centre every time the Yankees are in town and cheer obnoxiously as Jeter flawlessly handles grounders hit right at him.
94. Endorsements - for Nike, Gatorade, Fleet Bank, **********, ****, Skippy Peanut Butter and XM Satellite Radio among others. Miguel Tejada, meanwhile, can't score a deal for "Time Life's Polka Hits of the '70s."
95. Forbes 100 - Jeter ranks 38th on the Forbes list of top 100 Celebrities, tops among all baseball players.
96. Derek Jeter.com - hosted by mlb.com. Chock full of stats, highlights and of course, you're greeted by a fist-pumping Jeter.
97. Most Marketable Baseball Player - Jeter was so-voted by the 2005 Sports Business Journal. This has to be a concern for Major League Baseball, when they have more talented young stars out there. This is kind of like Chauncey Billups being named the NBA's most marketable player.
98. "Jeter's Journal" - Guess it sounds a little tougher than "Derek's Diary." This is the spot on Jeter's website where you can be treated to such pearls of wisdom as "You play one game at a time," and such whining as "it's always an easy thing for people to say, 'They have a high payroll, which is why they win.'" Yep, it's awful when people latch on to the truth like that.
99. Irony, thy name is Nike - The Derek Jeter Nike shoe is called the 6-4-3, despite the fact that Jeter is consistently below average in double plays. Coming soon, the Shaquille O'Neal Free Throw 5000...
100. Jeter the Leader - Hannibal, Churchill, Washington - rank amateurs compared to the Yankee captain. No player gets more credit for his leadership. Not that leadership is non-existent, but where's the love for Bernie Williams, who's been a Yankee just as long and hit just as well in the post season? And where was Jeter's leadership in 2001? Or when the Yankees collapsed against Boston? Incidentally, the Yankees haven't won the Series since Jeter was named captain.
Thanks to Sean Doyle for his editorial suggestions

[dynamite140]

Don't say number 43 isn't true with his clutchness

[C-Gold]

Pretending to get hit
Not backing a-rod up
Media hype
Crying for more money
commentators going on and on about him
snore

[Bob Loblaw]

Pretending to get hit
Not backing a-rod up
Media hype
Crying for more money
commentators going on and on about him
snore

Ignore the article I posted and instead say a bunch of things that have nothing to do with how great of a player he actually was. Good job.

[C-Gold]

Ignore the article I posted and instead say a bunch of things that have nothing to do with how great of a player he actually was. Good job.

Ignore all the first pitch fly outs
all the strikeouts
all the grounding into double plays
the stars on his team
his team's impact on his personal success
His cities impact on his success
cheating

Just close your eyes, cover your ears and yell la la la la la la CLUTCH!!!!!!!!

[Bob Loblaw]

Ignore all the first pitch fly outs all the strikeouts all the grounding into double plays the stars on his team his team's impact on his personal success His cities impact on his success cheating Just close your eyes, cover your ears and yell la la la la la la CLUTCH!!!!!!!!

You act like because he played on great teams it's not possible for him to be a great player which is just absurd.

The article pretty much proves all your dumb statements wrong. Baseball reference also lists Jeter as 54th all time among WAR leaders. He's was a great player and a no doubt hall of famer. Your hatred for him won't change that fact.

[fakeandthedrive]

no way !

[Living The Dream]

Will someone tell me how many 3000 hit multiple world series title holders weren't 1st ballot?

[MartinBlank]

Anyone else love how C-Gold and Dynamite completely passed over Loblaw's post with facts in it?

That was brilliant.

[C-Gold]

Love how he passed over our posts with facts in them.

This thread is 4 pages long. I've said all along that Jeter is a hall of famer but that he's overrated. This DA is arguing with me thinking I'm saying he doesn't belong in the hall. Big difference. He's too dumb to even realize it. 15 million bucks for a .270 slap hitter is a joke.

You tell me what Jeter's going to do this year and I'll be the over or under.

[Bob Loblaw]

Love how he passed over our posts with facts in them.

This thread is 4 pages long. I've said all along that Jeter is a hall of famer but that he's overrated. This DA is arguing with me thinking I'm saying he doesn't belong in the hall. Big difference. He's too dumb to even realize it. 15 million bucks for a .270 slap hitter is a joke.

You tell me what Jeter's going to do this year and I'll be the over or under.

What facts have you given that hold any relevance did I ignore? That he played on great teams? I'm sorry but that doesn't hold relevance. Great players like Jeter can play on great teams. In fact, that's what makes great teams great. Guys like Jeter. Not rocket science.

Or was it that he played in a hitter's park? Oh ya, that "fact" is incorrect.

Or was it that his hits came in garbage time? Oh ya, another "fact" proven incorrect.

Or that he once acted like a ball hit him when it didn't? I can't believe you guys seriously brought that up

Now in your last post you're starting to talk about him being overpaid this year. No shit. Everyone agrees. What does that have to do with his great last 15 years?

Unless people are comparing Jeter to Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, etc. (which nobody is) I really can't understand how you can agree that he belongs in the hall of fame but at the same time call him overrated. Makes no sense.

[Alfie B]

2.49 pm there goes another slap, hit home run by Jeter.

[HoulihansTX]

Lot of fail, mixed with facts in this thread.

[C-Gold]

2.49 pm there goes another slap, hit home run by Jeter.

Actually Jeter hit a ball right to the short stop. Easy out but LUCKY FOR JETER Brett Gardner the fastest player in MLB was on base and the SS tried to throw him out at 3rd and failed. So if the bases were empty that would be an easy out for Jeter but since Brett Gardner was on base Jeter gets credited with a hit. Yeah, playing for the NYY doesn't help Cheater. What's he hitting now... .250 and making 15 million bucks? 0 home runs for the slap hitter? Yeah that's some positive Return on Investment.

Most overrated player ever. 15 million bucks for hits that should be outs.

[realog1]

I'd have to say yes

[Alfie B]

Lot of fail, mixed with facts in this thread.

I hear ya. The question posed was is Jeter a first ballot HOF'er. Not if he was better than Ichiro or Young or Tejada ( or how ever the fuk you spell that ).
The question is also not about him playing for a team with a $200 milli pay-roll. Jeter obviously had no control over the pay-roll. Or the line up he played with.
The question is, is he a HOF'er.
The answer is with his stats and career, clearly yes, no doubt.

I posted on this thread yesterday morning and was really suprised to see how far it had come by today.

I do gotta say after reading all those pages since yesterday, C-Gold is really good at saying the same thing over and over again.
But bottom line Jeter is in.

[Alfie B]

Actually Jeter hit a ball right to the short stop. Easy out but LUCKY FOR JETER Brett Gardner the fastest player in MLB was on base and the SS tried to throw him out at 3rd and failed. So if the bases were empty that would be an easy out for Jeter but since Brett Gardner was on base Jeter gets credited with a hit. Yeah, playing for the NYY doesn't help Cheater. What's he hitting now... .250 and making 15 million bucks? 0 home runs for the slap hitter? Yeah that's some positive Return on Investment.

Most overrated player ever. 15 million bucks for hits that should be outs.

I was talking about the home run he just hit.

[C-Gold]

I was talking about the home run he just hit.

You mean Curtis Grand-Jeterson? You don't like that Jeter is overrated eat out Adam Lind's wife. I said Jeter is a HOF-er but Cheater is overrated and not 1/2 the man of A-Rod or Ichiro.