If Boise St makes the BCS championship over a 1 loss team major conference is a joke

[BiffTFinancial]

You know a lot of people would have said the same thing about Butler's basketball schedule....and guess what they almost pulled it off.

I'm not saying that Boise is week in and week out the best team in the country and yea they play and easier schedule. But they DESTROY that easier schedule impressively and at this point to not give them the shot is a ******* crime and makes me hate the sport and the way they decide their national champion.

Again if these big conference schools are so much better why don't they schedule Boise State at home? I'll tell you why, it's because they know there's a good chance they'll lose.

Stop sucking the SEC's dick because they arent nearly as good as they've been in the past. If Boise plays Auburn, Florida, Georgia, or LSU they would beat the hell out of them simple as that.

Give the team a chance....and I can't wait for it to happen because they will destroy whoever it is they play for the national championsip. They are so hungry to show the world how much credit they really deserve that it's going to be a blowout

UNL tried to schedule Boise, and those small-timers wanted $1 million+. screw a chance, they can wait in line and earn their chance like everyone else, and right now they're behind TCU. go watch Rudy if you want a feel-good underdog story so badly.

the comparison to CBB is ludicrous. apples to oranges. in CFB, those situations happen when App State or Richmond or William & Mary upsets a FBS team. in college football, the regular season is the playoff. Virginia Tech nor Iowa nor Florida nor any other team who forfeits their chance in the regular season need be allowed back in, and that's what an 8 or 16 team playoff does. ruins the whole thing.

[BernardMadoff]

That's the price you pay when you schedule a team. Oregon State and VaTech could very well be leading the Pac10 and ACC with only 1 losses each right now which would have boosted BSU's argument. Unfortunately for them, both teams are trash. If I'm Boise, I don't schedule teams that are known to choke (VaTech, OU). I'd go after teams that are good almost every year nationally (Ohio State, Bama, USC, etc.) Plus if my conference sucks then I would play 4 tough OOC games to offset the suckitude. I'd play at least 2 teams that are always competing for their conference and 2 other teams that are national names.

Boise made a mistake IMO by only playing VaTech and Oregon State. It's not enough. They are not alone, several teams have been left out of the MNC because of schedule. It's always been this way. Noone's singling BSU out. You have to play a quality schedule. That's just the way it is. BSU still might get a BCS bid which I think is wrong because they make a ton of money by not having to play much. It's unfair to other teams.

Nothing wrong with a home and away, teams dont want that because their scared to lose to Boise, I give VTech and Oregon State props for having the guts to be on the schedule. VTech and Oregon St. is enough, look how many teams play cupcakes for nonconference games, Boise said ok I see what everybody has been complaining about so they went and scheduled some pretty good schools. Like I said scheduling is done years in advance, they have no way of knowing who will be good at that time. If you dont think Boise deserves a title game, where should they be ranked in your opinion as of right now?

[BiffTFinancial]

Nothing wrong with a home and away, teams dont want that because their scared to lose to Boise, I give VTech and Oregon State props for having the guts to be on the schedule. VTech and Oregon St. is enough, look how many teams play cupcakes for nonconference games, Boise said ok I see what everybody has been complaining about so they went and scheduled some pretty good schools. Like I said scheduling is done years in advance, they have no way of knowing who will be good at that time. If you dont think Boise deserves a title game, where should they be ranked in your opinion as of right now?

they should be 4th. that's where they are. and only 2 teams can play for the title. i'm not saying they don't deserve the title game, i'm saying that it's the first of November, and right now, they're 4th. i know that the suspense is killing you, but you'll just have to wait until January to find out how this ends.

also, be forewarned, if Bama beats Auburn and wins the SEC title game, they'll probably leapfrog Boise and maybe TCU (if they beat Utah). that's the way it goes.

i honestly don't get the "give-em-a-shot" logic. was Boise better than Auburn and Oregon in 2009? yes. so what?

[BernardMadoff]

they should be 4th. that's where they are. and only 2 teams can play for the title. i'm not saying they don't deserve the title game, i'm saying that it's the first of November, and right now, they're 4th. i know that the suspense is killing you, but you'll just have to wait until January to find out how this ends.

also, be forewarned, if Bama beats Auburn and wins the SEC title game, they'll probably leapfrog Boise and maybe TCU (if they beat Utah). that's the way it goes.

i honestly don't get the "give-em-a-shot" logic. was Boise better than Auburn and Oregon in 2009? yes. so what?

Ive heard analysts say that about bama and if that happens it would be a joke.

[BiffTFinancial]

Ive heard analysts say that about bama and if that happens it would be a joke.

why? because Boise didn't lose last year? if Boise played Bama's schedule this year, including the SEC championship game in this hypothetical, how many losses would they have? if you don't say "well, probably at least 1 or 2," you're delusional. if Bama goes 12-1, they should leapfrog Boise.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Nothing wrong with a home and away, teams dont want that because their scared to lose to Boise, I give VTech and Oregon State props for having the guts to be on the schedule. VTech and Oregon St. is enough, look how many teams play cupcakes for nonconference games, Boise said ok I see what everybody has been complaining about so they went and scheduled some pretty good schools. Like I said scheduling is done years in advance, they have no way of knowing who will be good at that time. If you dont think Boise deserves a title game, where should they be ranked in your opinion as of right now?

The only problem is that Boise's conference games are the cupcake games everyone else feeds off of. Knowing that, BSU should play ALL their OOC games against top teams. That would give them 4 good games and the rest cupcakes.

I think the BCS ranking for Boise is about right. I'd have them tied at #4 behind Oregon, Auburn and TCU. Tied with Utah. The winner of TCU/Utah would be my solid #3 next week.

In the coming weeks, I'd have to move the 1 loss teams ahead of Boise as their schedules get better and Boise's get's worse. The only chance I'd give Boise for a national title would be for teams to have at least 2 losses. I'd have to move all the 1 loss BCS teams, including a team like Mizzou ahead of BSU if they keep winning.

I honestly couldn't put BSU in the title game with that schedule. I can't get past them not playing even 1 top 20 team the entire year.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Nothing wrong with a home and away, teams dont want that because their scared to lose to Boise, I give VTech and Oregon State props for having the guts to be on the schedule.

Bronco stadium holds 33,500. They don't have the capacity for an Ohio State, Texas, etc... Why would an Ohio State go to Idaho to play Boise? What would they stand to gain? National recognition? They already have that. A big payday? Not with that poor stadium capacity. A lot of people to watch the game? Boise isn't a big TV attraction. To gain more recruits? Please, Idaho doesn't put out any 5 star athletes.

There is no upside for a big name team to go play in Bronco stadium. Boise has to go on the road and build their program. It's the only way.

[zephyr]

Bronco stadium holds 33,500. They don't have the capacity for an Ohio State, Texas, etc... Why would an Ohio State go to Idaho to play Boise? What would they stand to gain? National recognition? They already have that. A big payday? Not with that poor stadium capacity. A lot of people to watch the game? Boise isn't a big TV attraction. To gain more recruits? Please, Idaho doesn't put out any 5 star athletes.

There is no upside for a big name team to go play in Bronco stadium. Boise has to go on the road and build their program. It's the only way.

I agree that appears to be the thinking. Personally, though, I'd be very impressed by any big conference program that has the cajones to schedule Boise State on the blue rug and the team to get a convincing win there. My vote doesn't mean much though.

[+Even]

UNL tried to schedule Boise, and those small-timers wanted $1 million+. screw a chance, they can wait in line and earn their chance like everyone else, and right now they're behind TCU. go watch Rudy if you want a feel-good underdog story so badly.

the comparison to CBB is ludicrous. apples to oranges. in CFB, those situations happen when App State or Richmond or William & Mary upsets a FBS team. in college football, the regular season is the playoff. Virginia Tech nor Iowa nor Florida nor any other team who forfeits their chance in the regular season need be allowed back in, and that's what an 8 or 16 team playoff does. ruins the whole thing.

Why should they allow a big time school to make a shit ton of money having them play in their stadium with getting nothing in return? If you won't play them their also then **** you why should you profit off us when we get nothignt.

I thought they were behind TCU last year too.....until they beat up on them in their BCS bowl game. That game was played last year and Boise State has essentially the same team only better and more experienced. This is Boise States year....there are no real dominating teams in CFB especially considering no big time schools will even be undefeated. If you don't give them a chance this year then no non BCS team will EVER have a chance.

This team was a top 3 team last year and went undefeated and have been a top 3 team all year this year and are so far undefeated. If they win out and beat up on all the bad teams (which they will) there is no possible way that they shouldn't get a chance to play for the national championship. That would be an absolute crime.

Forget talking about people wanting a cinderella story and just want to root for an underdog. Stop thinking about it as a bunch of people that run around for your entertainment. This is a group of young men that have poored their blood, sweat, and tears into football their whole lives, and for the past two years they have been one of the top 3 college football teams nonstop. If you don't think these kids are deserving of getting a chance to do what they are obviously DYING to do which is prove they are the best team once and for all, then you must be absolutely crazy. Especially when you consider that you would have to put two one loss teams ahead of them (Auburn and Oregon will lose or at least Auburn and that's not even in question...Oregon is a tad more iffy) which means that both teams that would jump them would have lost and been knocked to at least 7th in the poles all while Boise St. has been up at the top for two years.

I know you have this opinion locked in your mind right now.....and I get like then a lot too. But if you think about it there is no more deserving team in the country.....and it's really not close.

[+Even]

The only problem is that Boise's conference games are the cupcake games everyone else feeds off of. Knowing that, BSU should play ALL their OOC games against top teams. That would give them 4 good games and the rest cupcakes.

I think the BCS ranking for Boise is about right. I'd have them tied at #4 behind Oregon, Auburn and TCU. Tied with Utah. The winner of TCU/Utah would be my solid #3 next week.

In the coming weeks, I'd have to move the 1 loss teams ahead of Boise as their schedules get better and Boise's get's worse. The only chance I'd give Boise for a national title would be for teams to have at least 2 losses. I'd have to move all the 1 loss BCS teams, including a team like Mizzou ahead of BSU if they keep winning.

I honestly couldn't put BSU in the title game with that schedule. I can't get past them not playing even 1 top 20 team the entire year.

Dude I love having discussions but when you say and use flat out wrong information it's frustrating. The first game of the year they beat the number 10 team in the country (that is in the top 20) and they beat them. That same Va. Tech team is now ranked #22 and will be ranked in top 20 again after tonights win. Not only that but Boise has the same team from last year only better. Same players and more experienced. They beat TCU last year on a neutral field so you can't say TCU is ahead of them (regardless of the scheduled theyve played which includes two solid wins and dominating performances against the cupcakes...which a lot of big schools don't even do consistantly when they take game less seriously) and when TCU beats Utah this weekend they're gone. Read my post one up then to see why they are more deserving than any one loss team

[Donkwin47]

Bronco stadium holds 33,500. They don't have the capacity for an Ohio State, Texas, etc... Why would an Ohio State go to Idaho to play Boise? What would they stand to gain? National recognition? They already have that. A big payday? Not with that poor stadium capacity. A lot of people to watch the game? Boise isn't a big TV attraction. To gain more recruits? Please, Idaho doesn't put out any 5 star athletes.

There is no upside for a big name team to go play in Bronco stadium. Boise has to go on the road and build their program. It's the only way.

While your post made some good points, who the hell wouldn't watch Boise St. vs a major conference team ranked in the top 5 or even 10? I know that would be my #1 priority for that night. I'd love to see the Broncos stomp the Buckeyes.

[BiffTFinancial]

Why should they allow a big time school to make a shit ton of money having them play in their stadium with getting nothing in return? If you won't play them their also then **** you why should you profit off us when we get nothignt.

I thought they were behind TCU last year too.....until they beat up on them in their BCS bowl game. That game was played last year and Boise State has essentially the same team only better and more experienced. This is Boise States year....there are no real dominating teams in CFB especially considering no big time schools will even be undefeated. If you don't give them a chance this year then no non BCS team will EVER have a chance.

This team was a top 3 team last year and went undefeated and have been a top 3 team all year this year and are so far undefeated. If they win out and beat up on all the bad teams (which they will) there is no possible way that they shouldn't get a chance to play for the national championship. That would be an absolute crime.

Forget talking about people wanting a cinderella story and just want to root for an underdog. Stop thinking about it as a bunch of people that run around for your entertainment. This is a group of young men that have poored their blood, sweat, and tears into football their whole lives, and for the past two years they have been one of the top 3 college football teams nonstop. If you don't think these kids are deserving of getting a chance to do what they are obviously DYING to do which is prove they are the best team once and for all, then you must be absolutely crazy. Especially when you consider that you would have to put two one loss teams ahead of them (Auburn and Oregon will lose or at least Auburn and that's not even in question...Oregon is a tad more iffy) which means that both teams that would jump them would have lost and been knocked to at least 7th in the poles all while Boise St. has been up at the top for two years.

I know you have this opinion locked in your mind right now.....and I get like then a lot too. But if you think about it there is no more deserving team in the country.....and it's really not close.

make your case, based upon this season, that they're one of the top 2 teams, and that "it's really not close." you can't, but go ahead and give it a shot. they are in the same class as Oregon, Auburn, TCU, Utah, Bama, sure. that doesn't make them far and away top 2. Oregon and Auburn aren't far and away top 2 either. they're just, deservedly, in line ahead of the other 3. seems to me that most of your argument says that they are top 3, then concludes that they are far and away top 2. i'm not hating on Boise, or TCU, or Utah. i'm hating on the logically-challenged mongoloids who can't make a cogent argument for their inclusion beyond "give-em-a-shot-they've-earned-it." no wonder democracy doesn't work. if you have a solution, i'm all ears, but Boise/playoff/anarchy/this-is-all-a-conspiracy supporters are long on bitches, short on solutions. and FYI, the conspiracy argument falls hard when the MWC and WAC are both signatories to the BCS contract. i'm simply not swayed by outcome-focused reasoning, and i'm completely unconvinced that we should change the entire system to suit the present interests of one or two teams (i.e., the position of Utah supporters will surely change when they join the Pac-10). and it's not even the teams asking for it: Boise and the WAC agreed to the BCS, it's really only their whiny fans who would be served. if i have to repeat one more time that a 8-team or 16-team playoff helps Bama, OSU and Oklahoma much more than non-AQs, i'll scream.

the schools themselves don't want a playoff. why you think that your opinion matters more than theirs, i'll never know, but keep banging your head against the wall and ignoring reality. reality is, with Bama's schedule, Boise almost certainly sustains a couple of losses. and they can't complain that no one will play them when they demanded SEVEN FIGURES from UNL for a series. and people said last year that if Boise or TCU didn't get in, they never would. now, this year is the best case. these things simply don't resolve themselves in early November.

leave prior seasons out of it. this isn't some retarded lifetime achievement award. you want a playoff, great. real CFB fans don't, and don't want our sport ruined with a playoff (larger than an optional/springing plus-one, which hardly affects the season at all and is worth considering). if you want easy-to-grasp playoffs and a sport marketed to 8 year-olds, well, you're in luck: the NBA just started.

[Patrick McIrish]

Stop thinking about it as a bunch of people that run around for your entertainment. This is a group of young men that have poored their blood, sweat, and tears into football their whole lives, and for the past two years they have been one of the top 3 college football teams nonstop. If you don't think these kids are deserving of getting a chance to do what they are obviously DYING to do which is prove they are the best team once and for all, then you must be absolutely crazy.

No offense but if you are a player and really want to compete for a title you don't go to Boise State in the first place. These players aren't robbed of anything, they all knew playing the likes of San Jose State, La Tech, Idaho, New Mexico State and so on is probably not going to afford them the chance of playing for a National Championship. To be the best you need to play the best, going to a WAC school is not going to get that done. If you want to prove yourself (and hopefully compete for a title) go to a place where you play top competition, if you aren't gifted enough to play in the SEC and are forced to play in the WAC then that sort of speaks for itself in this whole argument about quality of play.

[Patrick McIrish]

All Boise can do is beat the big boys early in the season Oregon, Va Tech and beat the big boy at the end of the season Oklahoma, and the best team in Texas right now TCU!

Hopefully one day Boise will be in a big conference and all this talk will go away.....or a playoff but I dont see that happening!

When did you guys beat Oregon? Or for that matter TCU and/or Oklahoma? Yeah you beat Virginia Tech this year but so did a 4-4 Division AA James Madison team. This season is all that counts, hell I went to the University of Florida and we won 2 titles in the last 4 years but none of that matters this year. We all have our own bias, had I went to Boise I'd probably be saying the same types of thing you are saying. Frankly though I think most fans greatly underrate the level of competition a team is playing against when they try to determine how good someone is. Most DE's in the SEC will outrun 70% of the WAC corners that Boise plays against, LOL. Anyway I like watching you all play, you have a disciplined, innovative and entertaining well coached program. But IMO you do not have a team that could line it up every week in the SEC and remain unbeaten, not even close. Until you play the best on a regular basis you probably won't be thought of the best by the vast majority of informed football fans.

[pavyracer]

After last night's pathetic performance by Virginia Tech it makes you wonder how bad really Boise St is. I will say it again they will be a +10 dog vs Oregon or Alabama this year if they play them at the end.

[Mac4Lyfe]

^^^Boise state is all smoke and mirrors. They have successfully fooled the public into thinking they are a national championship caliber team. Fueled by ESPiN, uninformed voters have drinked the koolaid. Alabama will have more quality wins this year than Boise has had in the last 6 or 7 years but somehow the public thinks Boise is one of the best???

What is Boise's bowl record the past few years? You would think they've never lost a bowl game with all the Boise zombies. Boise has won 2 games and lost 4 the past few years. Sure they beat Choklahoma, that's all we keep hearing about. How come we don't here about them losing to East Carolina or Louisville or Boston College or even the TCU that they are now trying to hang their hats on from last year?

Now they are hanging their hats on a horrible VaTech team that plays in a horrible ACC which is just as bad as the WAC. I could care less if Vatech goes undefeated the rest of the way. I know and you know Vatech sucks ass and will get exposed in whatever BS bowl game they play in.

[StraitShooter]

I live in Miami and was a SEC ass kisser all my life..Than, like an idiot I took Alabama Moneyline in the bowl game they played Utah

Utah beat the fuk outta Bama and I learned my lesson..So Boise finally gets a shot at oklahoma and beat asses in the game of the decade

..good day

[StraitShooter]

After last night's pathetic performance by Virginia Tech it makes you wonder how bad really Boise St is. I will say it again they will be a +10 dog vs Oregon or Alabama this year if they play them at the end.

your eageress to prove your point will make this years bowl season all the funner on sbr..

Boise will beat the tar outta whoever they play..hopefully a SEC top team ..

all in good fun guys..I feel rage in this thread and it would be great to sit down and watch bama play boise with the folks in this thread

everyone thinks they are right..time will tell

..good day

[prm223]

I want to see Boise make it just to end this argument

[Mac4Lyfe]

While your post made some good points, who the hell wouldn't watch Boise St. vs a major conference team ranked in the top 5 or even 10? I know that would be my #1 priority for that night. I'd love to see the Broncos stomp the Buckeyes.

Sure if the game was on a Tuesday/Thursday night. Are you really watching that game if there's other games on at the same time? No freaking way. The fact is that these nonAQ teams are horrible draws in bowls. They don't travel well and the tv ratings are awful. Go look at Boise's last 4 or 5 bowl games and look at their Nielsen ratings. Hell even the Fiesta bowl game win over Choklahoma only got an 8. Louisville vs Wake Forrest almost got the same rating that same year and Notre Dame vs LSU out did them. If you were in charge of a bowl, would you really want Boise in it? If you were the mayor of a city, would you really want Boise coming to your city for a bowl game or a Texas or Ohio State and their legion of fans??? Come on man.

The only reason Boise state vs VaTech did well on tv this year was because...

1) It was the only football game on and being the start of a new season, everyone just wants to see football

2) 99% of the people were hoping and praying that VaTech would beat Boise so we wouldn't hear the same bullshit we're hearing in this post.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I want to see Boise make it just to end this argument

I want to see Boise play 2 top 20 teams back to back. I want to see Boise for once play a top 10 team. I want Boise to play 3 or 4 top 25 teams in their season. I want Boise to play a better schedule than currently #78 in the country.

Go back and look at all the national champions and look at their SOS. Then tell me how Boise deserves consideration.

[newguy]

Here is the thing. Boise st might be able to beat bama or oregon at end of season. With a month to prepare anything can happen. That being said, if bsu plays in that game, i am going to write the florida athletic director and request he withdraw from sec and seek admittance to sun-belt conference. Then all UF has to do every year is win one game against a top 20 team (also the only game he plays against top 20 team) and prep to play a beat up team from real conference. Is that what we want from our teams?

[Patrick McIrish]

I live in Miami and was a SEC ass kisser all my life..Than, like an idiot I took Alabama Moneyline in the bowl game they played Utah

Utah beat the fuk outta Bama and I learned my lesson..So Boise finally gets a shot at oklahoma and beat asses in the game of the decade

..good day

You went from SEC ass kisser to SEC hater all because of 1 game? LOL! That's a very small sample size my friend. The last 4 years I don't think any reasonable fan can argue that the best teams and best conference won national titles. This year the disparity between the SEC and the rest is not as big but I still believe top to bottom they are the best overall conference.

[rm18]

38-34 Hawaii cant wait for the game

[sweethook]

its not gne happen

[Donkwin47]

38-34 Hawaii cant wait for the game

[newguy]

This year the disparity between the SEC and the rest is not as big but I still believe top to bottom they are the best overall conference.

Anyone remember the uf/osu game? That almost didnt happen because osu and mich were "clearly" the best two teams. That year everyone talked about how big buckeye was going to beat florida. We all know what happened there. Same thing this year. Sec looks down but its likely there is more parity within sec, not between sec and other conferences

[KKoz9]

What will Boise St record be if they had to play Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Auburn this year?

They would lose less than Bama has already!!

[KKoz9]

every year its the same bias shit

I watched this before and UTAH kicked Alabamas ass and Boise beat Oklahoma

its time to give them credit they are just as good

[KKoz9]

make your case, based upon this season, that they're one of the top 2 teams, and that "it's really not close." you can't, but go ahead and give it a shot. they are in the same class as Oregon, Auburn, TCU, Utah, Bama, sure. that doesn't make them far and away top 2. Oregon and Auburn aren't far and away top 2 either. they're just, deservedly, in line ahead of the other 3. seems to me that most of your argument says that they are top 3, then concludes that they are far and away top 2. i'm not hating on Boise, or TCU, or Utah. i'm hating on the logically-challenged mongoloids who can't make a cogent argument for their inclusion beyond "give-em-a-shot-they've-earned-it." no wonder democracy doesn't work. if you have a solution, i'm all ears, but Boise/playoff/anarchy/this-is-all-a-conspiracy supporters are long on bitches, short on solutions. and FYI, the conspiracy argument falls hard when the MWC and WAC are both signatories to the BCS contract. i'm simply not swayed by outcome-focused reasoning, and i'm completely unconvinced that we should change the entire system to suit the present interests of one or two teams (i.e., the position of Utah supporters will surely change when they join the Pac-10). and it's not even the teams asking for it: Boise and the WAC agreed to the BCS, it's really only their whiny fans who would be served. if i have to repeat one more time that a 8-team or 16-team playoff helps Bama, OSU and Oklahoma much more than non-AQs, i'll scream.

the schools themselves don't want a playoff. why you think that your opinion matters more than theirs, i'll never know, but keep banging your head against the wall and ignoring reality. reality is, with Bama's schedule, Boise almost certainly sustains a couple of losses. and they can't complain that no one will play them when they demanded SEVEN FIGURES from UNL for a series. and people said last year that if Boise or TCU didn't get in, they never would. now, this year is the best case. these things simply don't resolve themselves in early November.

leave prior seasons out of it. this isn't some retarded lifetime achievement award. you want a playoff, great. real CFB fans don't, and don't want our sport ruined with a playoff (larger than an optional/springing plus-one, which hardly affects the season at all and is worth considering). if you want easy-to-grasp playoffs and a sport marketed to 8 year-olds, well, you're in luck: the NBA just started.

I've come to the conclusion that, not only is your OPINION wrong, you are also a pompous ass