If Boise St makes the BCS championship over a 1 loss team major conference is a joke

[BiffTFinancial]

at this point, Boise, in fact, has not proven that they are one of the top 2 teams. no one could possibly argue right now that Boise should be ahead of Auburn or Oregon, and the TCU/Utah winner will likely be ahead of them. have they shown that they are of the same class as those teams? yes. guess what? no one cares. they are a legit top perennial top 20 team. so is Iowa, and Iowa has no business being anywhere near the national championship. why? they have 2 losses. and don't talk about no one playing them when they asked for 7 figures from UNL for a series. that's bush league.

a shot at a national title isn't some retarded lifetime achievement award. this isn't the fkn Grammies. it's about this year, period. it doesn't matter if they've won every game since their first I-A effort against mighty Humboldt State. Boise has 1.5 losses relative to teams in real conferences (ie, not ACC or Big East this year), period. they'd better hope that enough teams lose to get them a shot against the Bama/Auburn winner for the title. if not, they can get lost. again. to a BCS bowl with a huge payout.

the worst part are the idiots who argue in favor of a playoff because of Boise and TCU. when Petersen and Patterson hear stuff like that, it makes their blood boil. a playoff only aids BCS conference teams, not the "little guy."

Christ you know it's election season when you can't stop speaking in platitudes and cliches.

[BiffTFinancial]

Boise State has proved that they are one of the top two teams for the second year in a row, they increased their strength of schedule by playing VT although VT dropped severely in the polls. Had VT not lost to JMU, Boise would be much more highly regarded. Boise State deserves to be in championship this year over any 1 loss team.

chalk me up for one vote for JMU for the national title. they beat VT by 5 in Blacksburg, Boise beat them by 3 in Landover. see, the transitive property doesn't work in sports.

VT will win the ACC and be high enough in the polls at year-end that there will be little to no adverse impact upon Boise, assuming Hokies keep winning.

[BadNina]

Boise plays weak teams because the strong ones are afraid of them. So why should Alabama play Boise? To get some respect.

It is my understanding that the reason major teams don't play Boise State is that Boise State demands too much money guaranteed. Like millions of dollars guaranteed. Boise is the one acting like a prima donna. Bama isn't afraid to play big teams. We've played Penn State this year and Michigan on future schedules.

Bravo!! ...and i am soooo tired of hearing about the SEC's "brutal" schedule, totally overrated. They have one or two really good teams like every other major conference. SEC apologists can SUCK IT!!

Let's see. 3 out of Bama's last 4 games are against teams ranked in the top 25. They are all SEC teams. That kinda disproves your premise.

[rm18]

Boise plays two top 28 teams within the WAC though

[Donkwin47]

Boise loses to Hawaii

[samdapatriotsfan]

we have playoffs. Wisky knocked Iowa out last weekend, and Auburn eliminated LSU. just because other sports have it doesn't mean CFB should adopt it. quick: name your favorite FCS playoff game. if you don't like it, don't watch. i don't care for the Tour de France but you don't hear me proposing to change it to make it more to my liking. what's more, as has been detailed over and over in the prior pages, any playoff beyond an optional plus-one serves the Ohio States and Bamas and Oklahomas of the world far more than Boise or TCU. no, no one wants to see Va Tech or Florida State or Iowa or West Virginia anywhere near the chase for the national title after their previous failures this season. they had their chances and blew them.

the bowl games are cool because 34 teams get to finish their seasons and careers with a win (and the other ones got a nice trip and a bag of goodies). if you know any college football players, ask them how much that means. a ton. and again, if you don't care about UCLA/Temple, don't watch. i will.

I don't really like the BCS too much but Biff is 100% right. It is great that 34 teams get to end with a win and the players get goodie bags.

If you have researched what the players get, they can get some really nice gifts. They can get game systems, clothes, gift cards, electronics of all types and who knows what other good stuff.

It is all about $$$ but that does not make it a bad thing.

[tony_come]

Every year public/media enjoyed debating this matter but in reality it's just a debate...

[KKoz9]

at this point, Boise, in fact, has not proven that they are one of the top 2 teams. no one could possibly argue right now that Boise should be ahead of Auburn or Oregon, and the TCU/Utah winner will likely be ahead of them. have they shown that they are of the same class as those teams? yes. guess what? no one cares. they are a legit top perennial top 20 team. so is Iowa, and Iowa has no business being anywhere near the national championship. why? they have 2 losses. and don't talk about no one playing them when they asked for 7 figures from UNL for a series. that's bush league.

a shot at a national title isn't some retarded lifetime achievement award. this isn't the fkn Grammies. it's about this year, period. it doesn't matter if they've won every game since their first I-A effort against mighty Humboldt State. Boise has 1.5 losses relative to teams in real conferences (ie, not ACC or Big East this year), period. they'd better hope that enough teams lose to get them a shot against the Bama/Auburn winner for the title. if not, they can get lost. again. to a BCS bowl with a huge payout.

the worst part are the idiots who argue in favor of a playoff because of Boise and TCU. when Petersen and Patterson hear stuff like that, it makes their blood boil. a playoff only aids BCS conference teams, not the "little guy."

Christ you know it's election season when you can't stop speaking in platitudes and cliches.

This could be the most ridiculous post in this whole thread.


Boise is as deserving as anyone THIS YEAR, PERIOD.


Wins vs. ranked opponents 2010:

Auburn - 3 (1 remaining)

Oregon - 2 (1 remaining)

Boise St - 2 (1 remaining)




Boise has 1.5 losses relative to teams in real conferences (ie, not ACC or Big East this year), period.

Where did you pull this gem out of?



And I guess you're also insinuating Boise should not take the money when they go to a BCS game because they didn't deserve to be there.



I didn't see Humboldt State on Boise's schedule this year but I hope Auburn can get by mighty Chattanooga this week.

[KKoz9]

Let's see. 3 out of Bama's last 4 games are against teams ranked in the top 25. They are all SEC teams. That kinda disproves your premise.

Uh, probably not.

I agree that Bama is the class of the SEC but, let's see...LSU could have 5 losses, Mississippi St (2 losses) is ranked? Really? There's many two loss teams much better than them...so Alabama has one tough game left against Auburn, big deal, and we all know that Bama will expose Auburn in that one anyway.

[KKoz9]

not really. Think about this. They played an Oklahoma team that blew their shot at a National Title (kinda like Utah/Bama). They beat a TCU team who was snubbed from the National Title game. They end up getting teams that aren't really motivated to be there and play them, yet, it is their Super Bowl. If they played in the title game it would be a totally different story. No way they could stop Bama's power running game in a title game. Bigger. stronger, faster athletes wouldn't get beat if motivated.

You people will say anything not to give Boise their due. Boise's wins are against unmotivated teams in BCS games?

I sure hope Boise can "undeservedly" get to the title game this year to play against one of the "real" teams...that is motivated this time.

And bigger, stronger, faster teams get beat all the time, it's called coaching, execution, and gameplanning, not that there is that big a disparity in this case anyway.

[KKoz9]

I agree with Seer. And if it all takes it a perfect season then Bama needs to schedule 2 mispack nonconference teams, leave the SEC and join the Sun Belt. Viola! National Champion Game every year.

And who did Alabama play in non-conference this year?

San Jose St
Duke
Georgia St

[TexansFan]

Oregon won't lose any games. If Alabama wins out they'll leapfrog everyone and get in. If Auburn happens to win out they'll get in. If TCU wins out they would get in over Boise St.

Boise St. wouldn't be an underdog to anybody except Alabama, probably around -3.

[newguy]

Here is all the analysis we need to do re: Boise. Boise will likely go un-defeated. Lets also look at a middle of the road team from a real conference, Mississippi State. Do you think MSU loses any of those games on Boise's schedule? What about Wisconsin? No - they don't lose those games either, but neither of those teams deserve to even think about being in the National Championship game. Boise State flat out doesn't play enough competition week in and week out to deserve a 1-game shot at being NC - cause thats all it is - they have to really only beat one good team to be NC? Come on - this shouldn't even be a point of discussion.

[newguy]

Oregon won't lose any games. If Alabama wins out they'll leapfrog everyone and get in. If Auburn happens to win out they'll get in. If TCU wins out they would get in over Boise St.

Boise St. wouldn't be an underdog to anybody except Alabama, probably around -3.

Not for long they wouldn't be -3 - that would be up to 10 pt favs before the cheap casino's even wrote the line on the chalkboard.

BSU would hang with the good teams - same as Florida would hang with them and Wisconsin would hang with them - but in the end - they aren't the best team in the country and that would be proven

[TexansFan]

Not for long they wouldn't be -3 - that would be up to 10 pt favs before the cheap casino's even wrote the line on the chalkboard.

BSU would hang with the good teams - same as Florida would hang with them and Wisconsin would hang with them - but in the end - they aren't the best team in the country and that would be proven

Are you saying Alabama would be favored by 10 over them?

[hanco21]

I think the BCS will be pressured to bring one of the mid-major conference teams this year. (Boise St. TCU, Utah), Only if there undefeated

[hanco21]

Are you saying Alabama would be favored by 10 over them?

pretty close....more like 7.5

[BiffTFinancial]

This could be the most ridiculous post in this whole thread.


Boise is as deserving as anyone THIS YEAR, PERIOD.


Wins vs. ranked opponents 2010:

Auburn - 3 (1 remaining)

Oregon - 2 (1 remaining)

Boise St - 2 (1 remaining)




Boise has 1.5 losses relative to teams in real conferences (ie, not ACC or Big East this year), period.

Where did you pull this gem out of?



And I guess you're also insinuating Boise should not take the money when they go to a BCS game because they didn't deserve to be there.



I didn't see Humboldt State on Boise's schedule this year but I hope Auburn can get by mighty Chattanooga this week.

1. not as deserving as Oregon or Auburn, obviously.

2. 1.5 losses = elementary logic. it's how the current system works. figure it out and get on-board. or don't. nobody cares.

3. i don't know how you logically got that anyone says Boise shouldn't accept a BCS bowl payout. they'll earn it. the point was that the whole "it's about money" argument is specious when 2 non-AQ teams were in the BCS bowls last year. people are up in arms about Boise's terrible screwing as if it's such a profound crime against humanity. after this weekend, Boise may not even be able to argue that they've proven they're better than the TCU/Utah winner, nor even have an opportunity to do so given their shitastic schedule. Boise is not the poster child for some egregious wrong, nor do they want to be. As has been much discussed, a playoff arguably hurts TCU and Boise and Utah more than it helps them. Boise has never played 4 real teams in a row in their history. look it up. and there's no way to do a playoff with more than 4 teams, and how do you determine when it should be used? last year, no plus-one was necessary. if you've got answers, i'm all ears.

4. Auburn deserves a week off. they play a real schedule.

[TexansFan]

pretty close....more like 7.5

We'll agree to disagree. The line would open at 3 imo.

[AMcBoarder]

We'll agree to disagree. The line would open at 3 imo.

It would be 3. That's been discussed on Las Vegas local am radio. This coming from actual odds makers.

[TexansFan]

It would be 3. That's been discussed on Las Vegas local am radio. This coming from actual odds makers.

I don't get local Vegas radio here in Houston but thanks.

[KingJIM]

TCU beats Utah and they probably would jump Boise in BCS standings.

If TCU or Boise make the Mythical National Championship game then every Major College will demand a playoff.

If there isn't one then a smart team or two should go join the WAC or MAC or SWAC or something just to pile up wins and play 2 tough out of conference games.

[TexansFan]

TCU beats Utah and they probably would jump Boise in BCS standings.

If TCU or Boise make the Mythical National Championship game then every Major College will demand a playoff.

If there isn't one then a smart team or two should go join the WAC or MAC or SWAC or something just to pile up wins and play 2 tough out of conference games.

TCU is already ranked ahead of Boise in the BCS rankings.

[venice2222]

i think a one loss SEC champ makes it, not sure about a one loss big 12 or big 10 team.

[rossta4i]

I think Boise can play with any team in the nation IF givin the time to game plan. But, to play in the SEC week in and week out.....NO WAY! Also if you give a non AQ team the same amount of budget for recruiting and facilities maybe get chance. College football is like any other business...all about the money.

[newguy]

It would be 3. That's been discussed on Las Vegas local am radio. This coming from actual odds makers.

It can open at 3, but I really can't see it staying there. Maybe I am wrong - but I would absolutely pummel the Bama -3 for as much as I could get my hands on. We are talking two different classes of teams here!!

[k13]

Bama -3 vs Boise

They can talk about it, no one would actually post it.

[jayroy25]

I hope boise gets there chance and proves the polls the voters and the nation wrong and they do work in the title game

[Patrick McIrish]

Even if they go undefeated how can they surpass a 1 loss SEC, Big 12, Big Ten or Pac 10 team?

This team will be 10 points dog vs any 1 loss team from these conferences. They are average.

Not reading the whole thread but I completely agree. In fact the top 4 or 5 teams in the SEC would beat the entire WAC all-star team with no trouble.

[dice]

Oregon versus TCU should be the championship game this year. Assuming that Oregon and TCU win out.

[+Even]

If Boise State goes undefeated this year that'll be two straight years and they beat up on a good TCU team last year and their only chance against a big school was a win against Oklahoma...Alabama lost to a slightly above average S. Carolina team and they got beat up pretty good.

The only crime will be an undefeated Boise State team not finally getting the chance at the big dance....they've paid their dues

[pavyracer]

What will Boise St record be if they had to play Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Auburn this year?

[+Even]

What will Boise St record be if they had to play Arkansas, Florida, South Carolina, LSU and Auburn this year?

on a neutral field I would take Boise St. as a pickem against any of those teams. Florida sucks ass, south carolina aint shit, LSU is a joke, and Auburn has been fairly lucky but is the best of the teams you mentioned. Would Boise lost as S. Carolina like Alabama? I would take Boise ML in that game

But we will never know cause those schools are too cowardly to schedule them....even at home. If you're telling me that a team goes undfeated two straight seasons and can't get a chance at the National Championship then College Football is the shittiest ******* most crooked sport of all time.

Look I'm not saying that their schedule isn't way easier than those teams....but how can you allow a team to go undefeated two straight season with wins against TCU, Va. Tech, Oregon St... etc. and not have a change to play for the championship. What kind of piss poor ******* championship is that.

What else do they have to do. They do everything they can, and if they could they would schedule those teams but those teams refuse to schedule them because they know there is a good chance that they will lose....doesn't that tell you something???????

[StraitShooter]

every year its the same bias shit

I watched this before and UTAH kicked Alabamas ass and Boise beat Oklahoma

its time to give them credit they are just as good

[pavyracer]

on a neutral field I would take Boise St. as a pickem against any of those teams. Florida sucks ass, south carolina aint shit, LSU is a joke, and Auburn has been fairly lucky but is the best of the teams you mentioned. Would Boise lost as S. Carolina like Alabama? I would take Boise ML in that game

But we will never know cause those schools are too cowardly to schedule them....even at home. If you're telling me that a team goes undfeated two straight seasons and can't get a chance at the National Championship then College Football is the shittiest ******* most crooked sport of all time.

Look I'm not saying that their schedule isn't way easier than those teams....but how can you allow a team to go undefeated two straight season with wins against TCU, Va. Tech, Oregon St... etc. and not have a change to play for the championship. What kind of piss poor ******* championship is that.

What else do they have to do. They do everything they can, and if they could they would schedule those teams but those teams refuse to schedule them because they know there is a good chance that they will lose....doesn't that tell you something???????

No you didn't understand my post. What will Boise St do if they had to play all of these teams in 6 weeks consecutively in one season like Alabama is doing this year.