Goldvictory stole my winnings- 459 euros

[GVstaff2]

Dear TruckerJoe,

As you noticed I m referring to you as “Trucker Joe” not by your surname. As the policy act prohibits me to releasing information about your own account to public places. Now think about what you’re asking me! I can’t past your surname in here and you want me to past private information about other users accounts?

I m sorry but that is impossible from my end, as I told you before I m still waiting for your email to submit you all the history of your account. You are free to obtain your own history and place it here. That would help lot of individuals viewing this post understand why some of your statements in here does not correspond to our evidence.

Once more I invite you to request for your history and place it online for the view of all visitors in here.

As stated server times this is your own right to do so, if you feel this will help you go ahead.

Rgs
GV

[GVstaff2]

Hi Santo,

Let’s forget my stated example of the seconds and minutes logins and focus on a better question! Is it possible to be abroad and conflict with the same user which is back home?
In addition lets think of another example.. can you be always moving from one place to another and you conflict again with the same user?

Let’s see a different example

Day1 you conflict with time and date with UserX
Day2 you don’t conflict with anyone
Day3 your IP is the same and you conflict again with the same UserX
Day4 your IP changes and you conflict again with the same UserX
Day 4 you login again and with the same IP you again conflict with the same UserX
And so on and on and on and on

So you dail-in your ip is 1.1.1.1 then userX dail-in and gets ip 1.1.1.1 then you dail-in back in and the ip is 1.1.1.1 and then userX dail-in and the ip is again 1.1.1.1, all this in less than three hour. Now considering a massive network like 3mobile is this in any way possible?

Now let’s say I bring you attention on this matter via email, do you come back to me and ask for proof or do you go onto a forum make a story on it and then the next day you come back to us saying you been on a forum before coming to us?

To be clear this is not Mr. TruckerJoe case but an example, as I cannot be specific as I don’t have to right to divulge Mr.Trucker information.

Rgs
GV

[Santo]

Hi Santo,

Let’s forget my stated example of the seconds and minutes logins and focus on a better question! Is it possible to be abroad and conflict with the same user which is back home?

No, this isn't possible. If it happened then the poster has a case to answer. Foreign mobile providers have different IP address ranges to UK ones.

In addition lets think of another example.. can you be always moving from one place to another and you conflict again with the same user?

Let’s see a different example

Day1 you conflict with time and date with UserX
Day2 you don’t conflict with anyone
Day3 your IP is the same and you conflict again with the same UserX
Day4 your IP changes and you conflict again with the same UserX
Day 4 you login again and with the same IP you again conflict with the same UserX
And so on and on and on and on

So you dail-in your ip is 1.1.1.1 then userX dail-in and gets ip 1.1.1.1 then you dail-in back in and the ip is 1.1.1.1 and then userX dail-in and the ip is again 1.1.1.1, all this in less than three hour. Now considering a massive network like 3mobile is this in any way possible?

Yes, this is possible. 3Mobile (and all UK phone operators) usually only have a few (sometimes as low as 10) IP addresses. Traffic is routed through a central location from the mobile phone, meaning that at any one time, hundreds of people could be using the same IP address.

It would raise suspicion, and I would probably request ID, verify that ID, and speak with each party concerned before paying out.

Now let’s say I bring you attention on this matter via email, do you come back to me and ask for proof or do you go onto a forum make a story on it and then the next day you come back to us saying you been on a forum before coming to us?

I would handle things privately, until such time as the e-mail is making no progress. I agree, the documentation should have been requested first.

[TruckerJoe]

woodg8 give me some time i will reply to all the post one by one dont worry

Whats with the smiley face? I don't find this situation very f**king funny, do you?

[TruckerJoe]

And are you still standing by this statement that you wrote to Josh?

Because our logs then show that 3 other account holders always happen to be wherever he is…and use his unique IP as well.

[GVstaff2]

Dear TruckerJoe,

You stated that you conflicted with other 3 account long before i got in this forum... when i answered i was not refering to your account.. again i will never note any info related to your account but you can.

rgs

[GVstaff2]

Dear Santo,
It is really my pleasure to speak with you, infect we did contact both and we also did investigated the range of 3Mobile. Which is much larger range then I expected for a mobile network.
inetnum: 217.171.129.0 - 217.171.129.255
netname: H3G-UK
descr: Internal Use Requiring Public
country: gb
route: 217.171.128.0/20
descr: Hutchison 3G UK Production Network Supernet
On one single 217.171.129.X there are 253 possible Ip’s
Rgs

[GVstaff2]

Dear TruckerJoe,

I m lost;

1st post… you stated that you just deposited 150Euros and you want your winnings! You forgot to state the amount of the bonus!

2nd post…in October you stated you deposited 200Euro? And you stated you lost it plus lost the bonus. Here it looks you want to state that if you lose we don’t care that you conflict and we let you lose if you win we do care and we lock you…  so in October activity which we don’t know the duration you ONLY lost always!!! You never made a single WIN… I assume that at some point your account was with a plus so it worth for us closing it or not? Second do you think we pay some on to check thousands of account to see who is winning, or do you imagine we have an automated system that coasted us thousands of Euro to develop and servers, just to close one or two account per month which have your same scenario?

Or is this just a way to try to put a bad imagine on GoldVictory for fun and then you expect me in the first place to help you? Have you tried with LGA telling them “ Dear aint much cops, GoldVictory the thieves stole my winnings  that a nice email .. or you just place these non sense statements in the forum for fun?

3rd post you then posted… that you are logging in and logging out from 4 different account for fun… Can you provide state were this information was granted to you? Do you have the email from GoldVictory that states that you conflicting with 4 accounts as I doesn’t result in my records?

4th post … you wrote “They have sent me a laughable 125 Euros, my deposit minus a 25 Euro charge (****I notice they didn't return my only other deposit with them of 200euros - which I lost to them*****).”…… why you asked for the other deposit? Indirectly it looks to me that you now are stating you did breach the rules but to be fair GoldVictory must to give you back the first deposit as well that you lost over 8 months ago!

Then you involved someone else with a complete different scenario… and you are trying to compare yourself to him.. is this some strategy to lose track of what you are really asking for?

So what are you exactly asking form us!

Here first you state your innocent and you want 500Euro of winning where again you forgot to state the stake of the bonus in the amount of the winning… then once you got the deposit you played it to be guilty and that if guilty you want us to give you back the October deposit … can you take a stand guilty or not? You want your winning or your October 2007 deposit…

Sorry that I may sound sarcastic but I m trying to figure out a way how to assist you but I can’t as you lost me.


Rgs

[TruckerJoe]

Dear TruckerJoe,

You stated that you conflicted with other 3 account long before i got in this forum... when i answered i was not refering to your account.. again i will never note any info related to your account but you can.

rgs

Forgive me for being stupid here, but what good is it going to do if I get my own log in times and ip addresses from you?

[tomcowley]

My last post explained clear our operates. With regards to your question, if you are inactive for 5 years and you breach the rules and you are still in play YES!!! You will be refunded in full for all deposits in conjunction with the bonus. If you are still with money in your account it means you are still within the bonus T and C so there is no further way to go rather then submitting back all his deposits.

With regards to bonus and winning again… if you satisfied the T and C you can enjoy your winnings, but if on your second bonus you breach the T and C we don’t ask for money back as it simple logic that what had been obtained in the past in a legitimate way had nothing to do with the breach in the second one.

So in one case, it's "simple logic" that the earlier bets are valid, and should have been paid, and that you have no claim to the money because those bets have nothing to do with bonus abuse later. But in the case where you can realistically steal those winnings because you still have custody of them, you will steal them. Your position is perfectly clear- steal anything that isn't tied down (and claim that because your Maltese Muppet license hasn't been revoked over it, that it's fair).

Your defense of "still in the bonus T&C" is complete nonsense to the point that the words have no meaning. I've already explained why only penalizing early losing play is completely unfair.

Moreover Note that the stupid way we operate is strictly licensed and regulated by the LGA Malta. Where over 150 other registered companies are licensed the same way we do.

Proof that the Maltese license is a joke from a player security standpoint, nothing more. I suppose you also support Betway's recent confiscations as well, detailed here:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/SR.aspx?s=betway

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/84689-betway-continues-confiscate-winnings-sbr-lowers-rating.html?highlight=betway

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/84005-problem-payout-betway.html?highlight=betway

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/77765-betway-confiscates-winnings-multiple-players.html?highlight=betway

After all, they're under the same Maltese license, so they must be playing fair. Right??? So either you agree BetWay is justified, or you have to admit that the Maltese license is a joke. Which will it be?

(and BetChance, which operated as a scam shop for about a year under a Maltese license..)

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/SR.aspx?s=betchance

My question here is why this case is so at heart to you? Do you have any issues with your account so far? As I don’t recon any complaints from you at this stage!!

I wouldn't deposit at your book with somebody else's money. Your operation steals from players and then comes on here with nonsense justifications, which should bother any online gambler. What's my purpose here? To make it crystal clear that you're a bunch of greedy lying thieves- and with your responses so far, you've pretty much proven my case for me. You've demonstrated no interest in doing the right thing, or even trying to understand what the right thing is. All you've done is assert nonsense justifications for stealing every bit of money you can get your hands on and then hide behind your BetWay license when the nonsense is exposed. A++++++++

[Santo]

Dear Santo,
It is really my pleasure to speak with you, infect we did contact both and we also did investigated the range of 3Mobile. Which is much larger range then I expected for a mobile network.
inetnum: 217.171.129.0 - 217.171.129.255
netname: H3G-UK
descr: Internal Use Requiring Public
country: gb
route: 217.171.128.0/20
descr: Hutchison 3G UK Production Network Supernet
On one single 217.171.129.X there are 253 possible Ip’s
Rgs

Yes that's much larger than Virgin Mobile's used to be (who I used). But still, that's 253 IP's across many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of customers, many of whom will leave their mobile connected to the network almost 24/7 for e-mail etc..

[GVstaff2]

Dear Tomcowley,

You made your point clear and loud and it is crystal clear.. There is no need for me to reply back to your post as you made it more than crystal clear that you NEVER HAD AN ACCOUNT WITH GOLDVICTORY. So you are just call thieves someone that you never experiences, but you like the fact to come into forums and enjoy posting posts just to ridiculed Malta operations. Which company do you work for? here it is free advertising J

Sorry but we have no connections with BetWay.

Rgs

[Santo]

Forgive me for being stupid here, but what good is it going to do if I get my own log in times and ip addresses from you?

You can then paste the log here, allowing us all to look over them and see what the conflicting issues were, and if they're explainable.

[tomcowley]

Awesome. You can come in here and state how you would handle certain situations/disputes, but... get this.. because I've never had those procedures applied to me *personally*, I'm in no position to comment, and you don't feel the need to justify yourselves. Brilliant. A+.

So if I see a restaurant serving rotting meat covered in rat droppings, I'm in no position to call that a health hazard because I haven't personally eaten there and gotten sick. Nice logic. Really. You guys just keep coming off better and better.

[GVstaff2]

Yes that's much larger than Virgin Mobile's used to be (who I used). But still, that's 253 IP's across many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of customers, many of whom will leave their mobile connected to the network almost 24/7 for e-mail etc..

Yes but to have more than one IP simultaneously 3M must use proxy server. Let’s do it some other way maybe we get it clear once and for all, I ll contact 3M to structure their Ip’s system, and ask if they use multipoint access to a single proxy. According to the published stricter they don’t, if that published structure and registrations Ip’s are correct then there is no way to have that convidence of logging in and out. But as this my help out to clear Mr. Trucker case I ll give it another try.

[GVstaff2]

Tomcowley… thanks for your assistance… you are really helping us all to sort out Mr. TruckerJoe matter. As mentioned before you made your point crystal clear. You never came near to my restaurant so you never had the smell of my food. Thanks for making your point. Again if you want to recommend your own restaurant in this post your are welcome! Free advertising.

[Santo]

Yes but to have more than one IP simultaneously 3M must use proxy server. Let’s do it some other way maybe we get it clear once and for all, I ll contact 3M to structure their Ip’s system, and ask if they use multipoint access to a single proxy. According to the published stricter they don’t, if that published structure and registrations Ip’s are correct then there is no way to have that convidence of logging in and out. But as this my help out to clear Mr. Trucker case I ll give it another try.

How do they claim it works, if not Multipoint access? Surely they can't limit it to 253 people online at at a time?

[tomcowley]

I'm not using firsthand experience (personal), or secondhand experience (hearsay), to comment on your shop. I'm using the words RIGHT OUT OF YOUR OWN MOUTH on what your procedures are, and they're unfair theft.

Seriously, if you're reduced to calling me a biased shill with a vendetta against Maltese books I've never played at (I've never worked for a book, or even played at any Maltese book, I'm just a bettor).. ROFL. What's next?

[GVstaff2]

How do they claim it works, if not Multipoint access? Surely they can't limit it to 253 people online at at a time?

basically this is a set of pool out a /20 mask. So the range is much larger then 253 users. Malta is too small compared to UK and we use Dyanmic Ip no provider uses multipint access via proxy else you will end up with hundreds of users with the same IP at the same time. If it was a company structure using a gatway that would be another case but here we are discussing 3Mobile. According to internet publications and also other users IP using 3mobile it is standard dynamic IP.

usally proxy servers are used for other scopes no need to mention them.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

How do they claim it works, if not Multipoint access? Surely they can't limit it to 253 people online at at a time?

Nope :-) Not sure of their exact number of customers, but they've got a national network, and are the most popular national mobile broadband provider (ie laptop hsdpa dongle) cos they're so cheap: 10 pounds/mth, or half that for phone customers.

At a guess, maybe 50 thousand customers?

[GVstaff2]

tomcowley....nothing my friend. thanks you made your point.

[GVstaff2]

so if that is the figure they assign 200 user the same ip at once? it s a bit hard for the proxy to handle all those requests. but got your point another reason to request for clarification to 3 Mobile. Hope you dont mind Mr. Trucker maybe this will help out in your matter.

rgs

[TruckerJoe]

so if that is the figure they assign 200 user the same ip at once? it s a bit hard for the proxy to handle all those requests. but got your point another reason to request for clarification to 3 Mobile. Hope you dont mind Mr. Trucker maybe this will help out in your matter.

rgs

In the meantime, I have sent a letter to the owner of Goldvictory,

xxxxxx

which he should be receiving fairly soon.

And I have emailed him through his website xxxxxx

[GVstaff2]

you are welcome TruckerJoe for you effert Mr. Drosos is a very nice person. You are welcome to email him.

[TruckerJoe]

OK, here they are. This looks roughly correct at first glance.

My June 2008 IP log ins to Goldvictory:

Definitely in Manchester here
1262 Jun 4 2008 03:16:27:577PM ***
Deposit
1262 Jun 6 2008 02:06:33:670PM ***
1262 Jun 6 2008 06:21:14:077PM ***
1262 Jun 8 2008 01:36:15:390PM ***
1262 Jun 8 2008 06:43:59:247PM ***
your last bet was placed

I was in Stevenage here - 311 km from Manchester!
1262 Jun 9 2008 02:10:37:123AM ***
1262 Jun 12 2008 11:07:16:170AM ***
1262 Jun 13 2008 05:40:32:610PM ***
1262 Jun 13 2008 06:18:59:187PM ***

In central London from the 14th June to afternoon of 15th june
I went to Ipswich late afternoon 15th June

1262 Jun 15 2008 03:12:31:327PM
1262 Jun 16 2008 02:36:14:510PM
up till here only visits.

I'm a bit confused about these last two times though. It says I logged in at 3.12pm in the afternoon on the 15th, and then 2.36pm on the 16th. Is that correct?

There's no way I logged in at 3.12pm (2.12pm UK?) on the 15th June. Maybe I'm reading that wrong.

I will email goldvictory.

[GVstaff2]

Dear TruckerJoe,

To be fair with everyone who is viewing the post especially Santo you should also paste your activity during October.

By doing so views will understand what was your pattern and the last login. This will sort out why your where not locked during October.

With regards to London logins the system logged you on at that time. It is 100% correct it is impossible that the time is incorrect. If you did not logged on during that time please check who was using your pc during that time.

Rgs

[TruckerJoe]

October IP Static.

1262 Oct 13 2007 10:29:30:127AM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 13 2007 10:37:10:967AM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 13 2007 10:48:15:267AM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 14 2007 01:37:15:827PM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 15 2007 01:58:51:920PM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 17 2007 03:32:33:500PM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 17 2007 04:37:24:077PM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 17 2007 05:04:23:610PM 86.12.***.***
Account presented winnings
1262 Oct 20 2007 05:59:52:890PM 86.12.***.***
1262 Oct 25 2007 06:44:06:967PM 86.12.***.***
No Conflicts - balance 0

*** are all the same

June 15th at 3.12pm (is that Malta time?) I was shopping in London. My laptop was in the boot of my car. I will double check.

June 16th you had already closed my account. So this was an attempted log in? Well, I attempted to log in to my account on the evening of 15th June (before I posted on sportsbookreview), so where is that attempted log in? In addition, I have attempted to log in a couple of times in the past month, where are they?

[TruckerJoe]

Think about this for a second. Why would I possibly log in and out of several accounts? If you had some outstanding odds and an abuser placed the same bets on each account then I could understand why someone may do this.

But, I didn't place any bets on my account. So why would I log into other peoples accounts?

A bit of common sense wouldn't go amiss here, instead of protecting your beloved IP detection system.

[GVstaff2]

Correct it is Malta time. Please submit an email to support@goldvictory.com and i will answer your question and then you can past the answer here yourself. Once more i can not release your information.

[GVstaff2]

Dear Mr. TruckerJoe,

As all seams to be clear with IP's and logon i did emailed 3mobile asking them if it is possible to have more then one user with the same IP at one time. If you can get in touch with them to obtain this information quicker it would be appricated.

rgs

[TruckerJoe]

Dear Mr. TruckerJoe,

As all seams to be clear with IP's and logon i did emailed 3mobile asking them if it is possible to have more then one user with the same IP at one time. If you can get in touch with them to obtain this information quicker it would be appricated.

rgs

I have contacted them. Will post when I get answers.

[GVstaff2]

Hi TruckerJoe,

I tried requested the information three times and yet no answer.

Rgs

[Jamie_UK]

Hi TruckerJoe,

I tried requested the information three times and yet no answer.

Rgs

Seeing as your here, any chance you could make your over/under and baseball vig a bit more competitive , i'm sure you can do better than 40c! lines , thanks in advance.

[GVstaff2]

Seeing as your here, any chance you could make your over/under and baseball vig a bit more competitive , i'm sure you can do better than 40c! lines , thanks in advance.

I will forward your request directly to the managment.

[TruckerJoe]

An update here. xxxxxxx, the owner of Goldvictory, has been in contact with me. I am trying to get in touch with him again to finish sorting out this mess. He has put 500 Euro cash back in my account (near enough correct!). However, I obviously don't really want to bet here anymore, so have asked if I can forfeit the bonus and withdraw my 400 Euro.

Hopefully, this can be laid to rest very soon. Hopefully.