Anyone using food stamps?

[ShamsWoof10]

Shams,I don't like alot of the ways my tax dollars are spent,but not paying them isn't an option.

You should NOT view the money you pay to the goverment as "your tax dollars"... You should view it as the goverments allowance from you ...to them...

Not paying may not be an option that's why I think people should look at it as "paying goverment rent" to be a part of their state...

How can you even compare the two? I WORK hard for my money. I don't ask the state for a dime. If you are enrolled in a government assitance program geared towards helping FAMILIES and CHILDREN then that's what the money should be spent on. If you want manicures, beer, drugs, etc....get off your ass and EARN some money for them.

It's quite simple... It's a matter of perspective... Most employers don't want their workers smokin' pot hence the drug test even if those workers ARE WORKING for their drugs... Your boss might not want you to be on any drugs he feels may get in the way of your job...

Sitting on your ass and doing nothing on the governments dime is never better.

I think Iraq would be better off if our boys sat home doing NOTHING! Hell some of our boys and some of their citizens might even be alive to enjoy doing nothing but since we "GOTTA" do something positive or negative then what the hell... Well there are 6.5 BILLION people in this world, plenty of guns, and plenty of propaganda on both sides... Anyone that says they can't find something to do for money is not looking hard enogh...

It always amazes me how someone can validate doing something as a positive by bring harm on to others...

[swede96]

You should NOT view the money you pay to the goverment as "your tax dollars"... You should view it as the goverments allowance from you ...to them...

Not paying may not be an option that's why I think people should look at it as "paying goverment rent" to be a part of their state...

So why do some of us have to pay rent while others not only live here for free, but get PAID to be part of the state?

It's quite simple... It's a matter of perspective... Most employers don't want their workers smokin' pot hence the drug test even if those workers ARE WORKING for their drugs... Your boss might not want you to be on any drugs he feels may get in the way of your job...

You're right. My company doesn't want me smoking pot. That's why they have a drug test policy. I could be randomly drug tested at any time. Why is it wrong to do that to welfare recipients? Here's the kicker: If I'm caught using the money my company pays me to do drugs, THEY STOP PAYING ME. Why should it work any different for those collecting from the government? They get special treatment for not being able to support their own habits. That, my friend, is simple.

I think Iraq would be better off if our boys sat home doing NOTHING! Hell some of our boys and some of their citizens might even be alive to enjoy doing nothing but since we "GOTTA" do something positive or negative then what the hell... Well there are 6.5 BILLION people in this world, plenty of guns, and plenty of propaganda on both sides... Anyone that says they can't find something to do for money is not looking hard enogh...

We're not talking about Iraq...we're talking about what's going on here at home. Sooo....I can't complain about where my tax dollars go, but it's okay to complain about where troops that volutarily signed up for the military go?

It always amazes me how someone can validate doing something as a positive by bring harm on to others...

I'm not talking about harming anyone. I'm talking about helping our country get out of this welfare mess we've made.

[RageWizard]

Bring it on Swedes, I have about 10 people that work under me and I almost laugh when hiring a person because I need to have them take a drug test. If I'm serious about hiring a person, and their background check comes back a little shaky, I will give them a month to be clean before the test is scheduled.
Random testing is always hung over everybodies head, but my company only uses it when somebody gets hurt, or they have been placed on the hit list for downsizing. I expect that if my job performance were to turn for the worse, I would be targeted since I think my bosses already know that I smoke the good bud. The only reason they don't test me is because of the money that I save for the company.

[MBENZ]

This topic is getting spun,it started about food stamps and handouts,and now we are in Iraq

[RageWizard]

It is still on food stamps and handouts. All that I'm saying is how about a little accountablity for your actions if you are gonna get a handout. If the government wants to pay you to sit at home and watch Springer, Maury, Price is Right, Oprah, etc... then the least you can do is pass a drug test, or maybe take some birth control.

[swede96]

Bring it on Swedes, I have about 10 people that work under me and I almost laugh when hiring a person because I need to have them take a drug test. If I'm serious about hiring a person, and their background check comes back a little shaky, I will give them a month to be clean before the test is scheduled.
Random testing is always hung over everybodies head, but my company only uses it when somebody gets hurt, or they have been placed on the hit list for downsizing. I expect that if my job performance were to turn for the worse, I would be targeted since I think my bosses already know that I smoke the good bud. The only reason they don't test me is because of the money that I save for the company.

When I started working here, they didn't test at the time of employment. We do now because we were bought out by a bigger company. We also have a policy of random testing, but I don't know anyone who knows anyone that's been tested. You have to either get hurt on the job and sent to the hospital, or give them a reason to test you.

One of my friends asked me once: "What would you do if they tested you and you failed?" Easy. Start crying and tell them I have a problem. They have to let me seek treatment.

[swede96]

This topic is getting spun,it started about food stamps and handouts,and now we are in Iraq

My thoughts exactly.

[BadNina]

Swede and I have a mutual friend who, at one point in her life, found herself pregnant and alone. Her louse of a husband (ex now naturally) walked out on her while she was pregnant and their young son. Her child was born prematurely. She (and others who find themselves in situations beyond their control) are what this system was designed for. To offer assistance so you can regain your footing. Unfortunately, we have raised up generation after generation of people who sit back with an "Whatcha gonna do for me now?" attitude.

[ShamsWoof10]

This topic is getting spun,it started about food stamps and handouts,and now we are in Iraq

Oh all of you just f*ckin' stop! Iraq was an example OK..???? I can also talk about all the sh*t industries that do nothing but harm to the public HERE IN AMERICA!!!

[MBENZ]

I think that most on here are simply asking for validation of where their money is going for welfare.I don't have a problem with helping anybody thats down on their luck and is trying to put themselves in a better position,but I do have a problem with people using tax dollars to support their lazy asses when they have no intention of seeking employment to help themselves.
As far as the comment that these are not my tax dollars,that is bullshit,I work My ass off to pay My money to the government so therefore they are My tax dollars.

[ShamsWoof10]

You're right. My company doesn't want me smoking pot.

Well let's see... they don't want you smokin' pot and you do knowing this anyway... So is it ok for your boss to watch your personal life more closely to ensure that you don't..? My point is freedome of choice work or no work!

We're not talking about Iraq...we're talking about what's going on here at home. Sooo....I can't complain about where my tax dollars go, but it's okay to complain about where troops that volutarily signed up for the military go?

First of all I am not complaining... If war is what people chose then so be it... We are at 6.5 and have 5 to cut...

Secondly, why is it I don't hear anyone b*tch that "THEIR" tax dollars are going to pay for a war.(not to mention other worthless things) Are those differant tax dollars..? "YOU'RE" so called tax dollars are being spent FIRST by your government and the LITTLE of it that gets to the people is what you are talking about... You are b*tching about a fraction of your so called tax dollars because you are all haters... Insensative citizens that are more worried about how their penny is being spent then the health and well being of their own people...

Lastely you WORK because you chose to and are rewarded with a higher standard of living... Don't even think for a second ANY OF YOU looking down on your own citizens that they have the quality of life you do... They don't have much to look forward to and are swimming in their own addictions... To boot their neighbors are more worried about their ficticious dollar then their own people who they spent countless hours looking down on... Most people don't drink and smoke for the f*ck of it... Most do it to get away from reality for a bit... Most of you do it and have an easier life then the people in the projects... What would you do in their shoes..?

Typical thinking of a selfish nations citizens!

[RageWizard]

Well let's see... they don't want you smokin' pot and you do knowing this anyway... So is it ok for your boss to watch your personal life more closely to ensure that you don't..? My point is freedome of choice work or no work!



First of all I am not complaining... If war is what people chose then so be it... We are at 6.5 and have 5 to cut...

Secondly, why is it I don't hear anyone b*tch that "THEIR" tax dollars are going to pay for a war.(not to mention other worthless things) Are those differant tax dollars..? "YOU'RE" so called tax dollars are being spent FIRST by your government and the LITTLE of it that gets to the people is what you are talking about... You are b*tching about a fraction of your so called tax dollars because you are all haters... Insensative citizens that are more worried about how their penny is being spent then the health and well being of their own people...

Lastely you WORK because you chose to and are rewarded with a higher standard of living... Don't even think for a second ANY OF YOU looking down on your own citizens that they have the quality of life you do... They don't have much to look forward to and are swimming in their own addictions... To boot their neighbors are more worried about their ficticious dollar then their own people who they spent countless hours looking down on... Most people don't drink and smoke for the f*ck of it... Most do it to get away from reality for a bit... Most of you do it and have an easier life then the people in the projects... What would you do in their shoes..?

Typical thinking of a selfish nations citizens!

I really don't know where to start with this one. Yes I'm pissed about alot of other spending programs that the government has embarked on but , for the purposes of this thread, I was trying to refrain from a BRENTCRUDE like rant.

Whether somebody has my quality of life or not doesn't concern me. I actually hope that most people would try to strive for a higher standard of living no matter how their standard is now.

I'll stop for now as I'm sure that the Swedes will be in here laying down the hammer soon if not already done.

[ShamsWoof10]

Whether somebody has my quality of life or not doesn't concern me. I actually hope that most people would try to strive for a higher standard of living no matter how their standard is now..

Hey that is great.. now let's get back to reality!

[RageWizard]

Hey that is great.. now let's get back to reality!

Dude that is my reality. The only reason I work and invest in the stock market/ NFL is to raise my standard of living. I won't be happy until I can safely wipe my ass with paper with Ben Franklin's picture on it with out worrying about how I'm gonna pay the morgage and provide for the family.

[ShamsWoof10]

Dude that is my reality. The only reason I work and invest in the stock market/ NFL is to raise my standard of living. I won't be happy until I can safely wipe my ass with paper with Ben Franklin's picture on it with out worrying about how I'm gonna pay the morgage and provide for the family.

Well maybe I said something to make it sound like quality of life is directly proportional to quantity of money...

You make this "sound" like the case... I don't believe this to be true...

I won't be happy until I can safely wipe my ass with paper with Ben Franklin's picture on it.

By that time, not that we're not close now, you'll have to get a new sayin' because money won't be paper it will be digits...

[swede96]

Swede and I have a mutual friend who, at one point in her life, found herself pregnant and alone. Her louse of a husband (ex now naturally) walked out on her while she was pregnant and their young son. Her child was born prematurely. She (and others who find themselves in situations beyond their control) are what this system was designed for. To offer assistance so you can regain your footing. Unfortunately, we have raised up generation after generation of people who sit back with an "Whatcha gonna do for me now?" attitude.

Once again, Miss Nina...you seem to convey my opinions better than I do.

[swede96]

Well let's see... they don't want you smokin' pot and you do knowing this anyway... So is it ok for your boss to watch your personal life more closely to ensure that you don't..? My point is freedome of choice work or no work!

Shams...you're logic is all over the place here. Is it okay for them to come into my house, peek in my windows, interrogate my friends? No. Is it okay for them to drug test me randomly, monthly weekly or even daily if they see fit? Yes. I was fully aware of the conditions of my employment when I took the job. If I chose to violate the conditions and run the risk of getting caught, I can...but you won't see me complaining when they fire me. I knew full well I shouldn't have been doing that. That's my choice. I feel welfare recipients should be subjects to drug tests as well. Sure, it's their choice to run the risk if they choose, but there shouldn't be any complaining if their benefits get cut off because they got caught. I can't understand why you think it's okay for someone to spend money designated for people who need help providing for their children on drugs. Their kids deserve better than that.

I love kids. I want little booger machines of my own very much. I am in a stable relationship with a man I love more than I ever thought I could love anyone....and I'm on birth control....why? Because I can barely support myself right now. I know I'm in no position to support a child...and if I did get pregnant, the first thing to be cut out of my budget would be pot and beer.

Secondly, why is it I don't hear anyone b*tch that "THEIR" tax dollars are going to pay for a war.(not to mention other worthless things) Are those differant tax dollars..? "YOU'RE" so called tax dollars are being spent FIRST by your government and the LITTLE of it that gets to the people is what you are talking about... You are b*tching about a fraction of your so called tax dollars because you are all haters... Insensative citizens that are more worried about how their penny is being spent then the health and well being of their own people...

I don't agree with all the money being spent in Iraq, but that's not what we're talking about. I think almost all government spending needs to be evaluated.

Insensative? Insensative is snorting your welfare check up your nose while your kids is running around with no shoes.

A few years ago, I was driving through one of the low income housing areas in my town. All of a sudden, a little girl came running across the street without even looking. She was about 3 years old and I had to slam on my breaks to avoid her. Now, I was expecting to see a distraught mother chasing after her...nope. No one to be found. This kid was barefoot in the street...unattended...in pretty much the only neighborhood in town that even HAS a crime rate. No one even taught that kid how to look both ways...not that she was old enough to understand anyway. How can you defend these people?

Lastely you WORK because you chose to and are rewarded with a higher standard of living...

I don't choose, Shams. I'm not eligable for any state aid even if I wanted it. I don't breed like an animal.

Don't even think for a second ANY OF YOU looking down on your own citizens that they have the quality of life you do...

Like I said, I've seen people swiping those EBT cards and they sure have more expensive clothes and manicures than I do. If they have money for that, they're ahead of me.

They don't have much to look forward to and are swimming in their own addictions... To boot their neighbors are more worried about their ficticious dollar then their own people who they spent countless hours looking down on... Most people don't drink and smoke for the f*ck of it... Most do it to get away from reality for a bit... Most of you do it and have an easier life then the people in the projects... What would you do in their shoes..?

Typical thinking of a selfish nations citizens!

Excuse me? First of all, the dollar isn't ficticious...I see it every two weeks in my paycheck...right there in plain print. I earn about $1400 and I see $990. Sooo...it's okay to spend the money the goverment gives you for your children's food on drugs if you're really really sad? Are you f*cking kidding me? In their shoes I would be trying to get OUT of the projects...which starts with getting a job and not spending money on luxuries like pot, beer, satelite TV, Nikes, fancy cars, etc...

There are plenty of programs to help addicts. They don't want help. I don't even feel a little sorry for people that are unhappy with their lives and do nothing to improve the situation....let alone people who knowingly make it worse.

[swede96]

Hey that is great.. now let's get back to reality!

It's really sad that people don't strive to make a better life...and we let them sit and wallow in their laziness. I'm constantly striving to make my life better. I could pay my bills on one job, but I work two because I want to have a savings account and a reliable car. I WORK for the things I need.

[ShamsWoof10]

Believe me Razz you're not the only one that makes it sound that way....

"Coach" calls me up last week and we are talking about his home... He claims because him being able to live in a house as opposed to an apartment gave him a higher quality of life... My reply was loud: "WTF Coach it isn't that house you are putting a lot of work and money into it's that other 335 pound (down from 450) HOUSE you should be working on... If you move out of the one you are working on and you can buy another but if you move out of that 335 pound one the game is over... a higher quality of life COACH!!!!! is NOT to have an artifical hip at your age... get a clue "... Thinking to myself "no wonder we spent so many years at around 5-5"...

The wealth (artifical as f*ck) has increased in the last 25 years but the quality of life has gone down for the majority... Why are most of you people so F*CKIN' FAT NOW GOD DAMN!!!!! Stop eating people geeez....

[swede96]

Hey, if he feels his quality of life is higher in that house, who are you to say it isn't?

I own my home and I have a little yard for my dog and everything. I think that's a much better quality of life than a second floor apartment somewhere.

[ShamsWoof10]

A few years ago, I was driving through one of the low income housing areas in my town. All of a sudden, a little girl came running across the street without even looking. She was about 3 years old and I had to slam on my breaks to avoid her. Now, I was expecting to see a distraught mother chasing after her...nope. No one to be found. This kid was barefoot in the street...unattended...in pretty much the only neighborhood in town that even HAS a crime rate. No one even taught that kid how to look both ways...not that she was old enough to understand anyway. How can you defend these people?.

Holly sh*t we might have a winner fokes.. If she wasn't taught that as a result of her environment then how on earth do YOU EXPECT her to know any better when she is the mother..? Let me guess because you know means she should...

I know IRAQ is not what we are talking about but it's an example...again I point that out again..it's an exmaple people of worthless government spending... If I were to give all the examples this post would be long as f*ck!

Like I said, I've seen people swiping those EBT cards and they sure have more expensive clothes and manicures than I do. If they have money for that, they're ahead of me.

Excuse me? First of all, the dollar isn't ficticious...I see it every two weeks in my paycheck...right there in plain print. I earn about $1400 and I see $990. Sooo...it's okay to spend the money the goverment gives you for your children's food on drugs if you're really really sad? Are you f*cking kidding me? In their shoes I would be trying to get OUT of the projects...which starts with getting a job and not spending money on luxuries like pot, beer, satelite TV, Nikes, fancy cars, etc....

I like said if I counted how many times you people's posts compare yourselves to "them" and what they have in comparison to what you have I would have to be an octapus.s.y.and a totally shaved one at that... It sounds to me like "haterism"...

You people see only in terms of money and material it's unreal!!! Most of you seem to have a better quality of life physcially, mentally, and emotionally but all you see is they spent my penny on something I don't have or they shouldn't have... You don't see that you are lucky enough to have had someone to teach you better and how lucky you are for having the ability to think and reason at a higher level...

In case you people missed it ...It's the environment not the money... They have more money and a MUCH worse enviorment or programming...

Sure glad you guys are not couselors!

[ShamsWoof10]

I own my home and I have a little yard for my dog and everything. I think that's a much better quality of life than a second floor apartment somewhere.

How is having a yard a better quality of life..?

Geeee maybe I was out of line with the "You people see only in terms of money and material" comment... How can I say such things...

[RageWizard]

Sure glad you guys are not couselors!

You're right there dude. My wife tells me that I'm lucky that I don't have to deal with stupid people all day like she does at her job, because I would have been fired already for chronic assholism. Its true, I generally don't like people or the things that they do. I don't really care that the government takes a giant chunk out of my earnings every year to pay for what they feel like they have too. I just think they should leave me alone and not tell me how to conduct my business as far as investments and personal freedoms go.

[swede96]

Holly sh*t we might have a winner fokes.. If she wasn't taught that as a result of her environment then how on earth do YOU EXPECT her to know any better when she is the mother..? Let me guess because you know means she should...

Yes, I do. I expect humans to be smart enough as adults to know that you have to look both ways before they cross the street...and to care about their children enough to pass that lesson along. Do you think the kids mom just runs across streets? No, she looks first. It's common sense. I'm not asking for rocket science here. I also expect and adult to WATCH a child that age.

I know IRAQ is not what we are talking about but it's an example...again I point that out again..it's an exmaple people of worthless government spending... If I were to give all the examples this post would be long as f*ck!

Make up your mind. Do the people on welfare need the money, or is it worthless spending?

I like said if I counted how many times you people's posts compare yourselves to "them" and what they have in comparison to what you have I would have to be an octapus.s.y.and a totally shaved one at that... It sounds to me like "haterism"...

You people see only in terms of money and material it's unreal!!! Most of you seem to have a better quality of life physcially, mentally, and emotionally but all you see is they spent my penny on something I don't have or they shouldn't have... You don't see that you are lucky enough to have had someone to teach you better and how lucky you are for having the ability to think and reason at a higher level...

In case you people missed it ...It's the environment not the money... They have more money and a MUCH worse enviorment or programming...

Shams, I'm pretty happy with where I am financially. I bring up the things they have because they are supposed to be on assistance to support their kids, not their drug habit or love of manicures. I have no problem with people WORKING and buying these things for themselves.

If the environment is so bad, why don't they even try to get out of it? Look for section 8 sanctioned apartments outside of the projects....look for a job...apply for financial aid to go to school so they can get a good job and support their children. Again, I don't feel sorry for the people that do nothing to get themselves out of that environment. It's a whole "The government owes me" attitude. The goverment supports them...then they have the nerve to complain that the projects aren't safe or they're not getting enought money? The government can only do so much to help....sometimes people have to help themselves.

[swede96]

You're right there dude. My wife tells me that I'm lucky that I don't have to deal with stupid people all day like she does at her job, because I would have been fired already for chronic assholism. Its true, I generally don't like people or the things that they do. I don't really care that the government takes a giant chunk out of my earnings every year to pay for what they feel like they have too. I just think they should leave me alone and not tell me how to conduct my business as far as investments and personal freedoms go.

I used to work at a bank...I'd see these women come in with their kids with their tax returns. I STILL don't understand why the government should support them all year then give them a bonus every January...but that's a different debate, I guess. Anywho, they come in with the advance checks thinking we'll just cash them (umm, no...they aren't a state check and you only have $5 in your savings, I'm not handing you $3,000 cash...you can wait three business days like everyone else). So mom in her fancy weave comes in with her little boy wearing dirty clothes and flips out because I can't just cash the check for her claiming "I gots to pay my rent!". No shit. I heard this one a few times. I actually said to one extremely rude woman: "Isn't your rent due every month?" I thought she was going to jump over the counter and kill me. Shit, I don't care. I felt like saying: "Maam, that's not my problem...MY rent is my problem...and I won't be able to pay it if I lose my JOB for violating policy just because you chose to blow your rent money counting on your tax returns."

[swede96]

How is having a yard a better quality of life..?

Geeee maybe I was out of line with the "You people see only in terms of money and material" comment... How can I say such things...

How is it not? If it's not about money, isn't about your mental and physical health? I have a sanctuary to relax in. I can be outdoors in private. Furthermore, I don't have to drag my 12 year old dog up and down the stairs. That's good for HIS quality of life too.

[MBENZ]

Yes, I do. I expect humans to be smart enough as adults to know that you have to look both ways before they cross the street...and to care about their children enough to pass that lesson along. Do you think the kids mom just runs across streets? No, she looks first. It's common sense. I'm not asking for rocket science here. I also expect and adult to WATCH a child that age.



Make up your mind. Do the people on welfare need the money, or is it worthless spending?




Shams, I'm pretty happy with where I am financially. I bring up the things they have because they are supposed to be on assistance to support their kids, not their drug habit or love of manicures. I have no problem with people WORKING and buying these things for themselves.

If the environment is so bad, why don't they even try to get out of it? Look for section 8 sanctioned apartments outside of the projects....look for a job...apply for financial aid to go to school so they can get a good job and support their children. Again, I don't feel sorry for the people that do nothing to get themselves out of that environment. It's a whole "The government owes me" attitude. The goverment supports them...then they have the nerve to complain that the projects aren't safe or they're not getting enought money? The government can only do so much to help....sometimes people have to help themselves.

Exactly

[ShamsWoof10]

You're right there dude. My wife tells me that I'm lucky that I don't have to deal with stupid people all day like she does at her job, because I would have been fired already for chronic assholism. Its true, I generally don't like people or the things that they do. I don't really care that the government takes a giant chunk out of my earnings every year to pay for what they feel like they have too. I just think they should leave me alone and not tell me how to conduct my business as far as investments and personal freedoms go.

Exactly what my point was Razz thanks... If you don't care what they do with what they are given then they shouldn't care about what you do... agreed they should leave you alone...

I just feel that you have to see things from another perspective and not just your own... I think it's also commonly known as "being understanding"...

I look at people like they are..bio-computers... They repeat only what they know... The enviroment or programming is the MOST important...

I used to watch my little niece when she was a toddler.. She was so cute... I programmed her to know that when she needed changed she was to bring me a diper and go to the place where I always changed her... When she was hungry she pointed to the bottle where I had it placed... When she was tired she would set a blanket and pillow in a corner and make her own little bed... Once programmed she is completely self sufficent... When she cries because something is bothering her she can't tell me and she can only cry... It's my position to try and understand what she is trying to communicate to me...

[swede96]

Exactly what my point was Razz thanks... If you don't care what they do with what they are given then they shouldn't care about what you do... agreed they should leave you alone...

But they never will, Shams. Why should those of us that work be more closely monitored than those that sit around waiting for a hand out?

[ShamsWoof10]

But they never will, Shams. Why should those of us that work be more closely monitored than those that sit around waiting for a hand out?

WHAAAAAT..???? Ask that again.. and think about it first... Let me give you a hint.. the pot head sitting on his porch smoking off the goverments money (not yours) doesn't concern me like an AIRLINE PILOT ...maybe..??????

I work ..I work ...I work... SOOOOOO WHAT!!!!!

Make up your mind. Do the people on welfare need the money, or is it worthless spending?.

Umm leave my mind alone it's made up... Show me where I "said" welfare doesn't need the money... I think enviroment is more important then money.. farrrr more... I said IRAQ and plenty of others are a waste...yes...

If the environment is so bad, why don't they even try to get out of it? Look for section 8 sanctioned apartments outside of the projects....look for a job...apply for financial aid to go to school so they can get a good job and support their children. Again, I don't feel sorry for the people that do nothing to get themselves out of that environment. It's a whole "The government owes me" attitude. The goverment supports them...then they have the nerve to complain that the projects aren't safe or they're not getting enought money? The government can only do so much to help....sometimes people have to help themselves.

HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

How many times do you see people get out of jail but have been there so long that they are more confortable in that bad environment... That's all they have come to know... You can't seem to understand their perspective...

Man I sure hope they don't give these goverment jobs to just anyone...

[swede96]

Maybe I can better illustrate my point about bringing up the material things some of the people on welfare have...

I don't have any children, but I DO have an elderly dog (Max) and two cats (Frankie and Sexy). When I adopted each of these little beasts, I was promising to take care of them...I was taking on a BIG responsibility.

A few weeks ago, Max's hips went...which cost me $140 at the vet's office and is going to cost me another $85 a month for his hip meds for the rest of his life. Two weeks ago, Sexy needed her shots..there's $74 right there...and she needed to go back in to get her teeth cleaned. That visit ran me $185 (I picked up a week's worth of Max's meds too). Now, I also had a sinus infection last week that I'm still fighting off. Could I have gone and gotten some neds and been well sooner? Yup, but I would have had to cancel Sexy's appointment and lord knows when I'd be able to get her back in. So I toughed it out and made sure she had everything she needed. I made that unofficial promise the day I got each of my pets...and they're not even humans.

The point of my story is: I've had to go without things that I want to pay these bills. I haven't had a haircut in almost 3 months. My work shoes are falling apart, but I've been making it work. I'd love to go out and have a couple drinks with my friends, but I know I can't afford it. If I can make these small sacrifices for my PETS, then people should be able to do that to give their CHILDREN a better life.

[ShamsWoof10]

(Frankie and Sexy).

Frankie and Sexy >???? Seer is too cool for you... I have another poster in mind that will love you and you'll get a pot of gold too. Material..right up your alley...

The point of my story is: I've had to go without things that I want to pay these bills. I haven't had a haircut in almost 3 months. My work shoes are falling apart, but I've been making it work. I'd love to go out and have a couple drinks with my friends, but I know I can't afford it. If I can make these small sacrifices for my PETS, then people should be able to do that to give their CHILDREN a better life.

Have you ever thought that those decisions and sacrafices were based on your up-bringing..? You must have had a mom/and/or dad that instilled sacrafice in you... What do you think I meant when I said all that sh*t above.. Do you think I am trying to rack up posts for the trip..?

[Willie Bee]

Swede, you're confusing a person who readily accepts their responsibility (like yourself) with those who don't and their enablers who are constantly there for them with a gunny sack of excuses for them to use.

[swede96]

Frankie and Sexy >???? Seer is too cool for you... I have another poster in mind that will love you and you'll get a pot of gold too. Material..right up your alley...

Yes, it's a stupid name. I was 19 when I named her...and my roommate at the time actually had final say. It was her cat. Now that she's grown, she prefers to be called Princess Prissy Paws....I swear that cat can tell the difference between my cashmere sweaters and the $5 Walmart specials. Spoiled little brat.

[ShamsWoof10]

Yes, it's a stupid name. I was 19 when I named her...and my roommate at the time actually had final say. It was her cat. Now that she's grown, she prefers to be called Princess Prissy Paws....I swear that cat can tell the difference between my cashmere sweaters and the $5 Walmart specials. Spoiled little brat.

Princess Prissy Paws....? Noo kidding... She prefers it huh..? interesting...

Let me give you an example of "Coach" again... His wife nags him so hard about losing weight and he should because it would help his health issues better then anything... He KNOWS IT... but he's so far out of shape that his mentality to give up is embedded in him... He no longer believes... Now from my perspective I can't understand why the hell he just don't workout.. well duuuhhh ...but not duuuh you have to be in his shoes to understand what it's like to reach what he feels is the point of no return... People grow to believe that about their life too...

You don't think crack users know it's bad for them and may kill them..?

By the way if you're 24.... I'm Tom Brady!