Anyone using food stamps?

[Willie Bee]

So do you think we "really" went there to change their enviorment..?

Are you asking me what the official reason was or what the real result has been? I'm not sure what you call it, but when Country A's objective is to invade Country B, depose its current leader and install a completely new form of government, then by my logic the end result, assuming Country A is successful, will be a drastic change in Country B's political environment.

So now I ask you: What exactly should the federal, state and local governments in this country do to change the environment for those on welfare that will magically cause everything to fall into place?

[swede96]

Most people who truly need/deserve the help are embarrassed of that fact. Welfare Queens generally are not: the stigma attached to public assistance does not affect them. So it does seems natural that a casual (or even not-so-casual) observer may have the impression that the Welfare Queen-to-deserving individual ratio is too heavy on the Welfare Queen side.

I'm just doing my best to point out that the system, while clunky and naturally inefficient (being that government wouldn't know efficient if it jumped up and bit them in the ass), works much better than lots of people think it does. I was no fan of welfare myself when I took this job (history BAs, stunningly, don't offer many options in the workforce!), but have gradually come to appreciate it more and more over time.

I would wager that you, I, and anybody else in here would be surprised at how many people we've come across that were on, or had once been on, public assistance of some form.

That makes sense. I do know a few people that were on it at some point just to get through a rough time.

[swede96]

I didn't say it was or was NOT ok.... I am simply saying that money is not going to fix that problem no matter how much you give them... You are not getting the point you are too worried about what YOU think they are taking from you..

A-D are useless output as a result of useless imput...

WHEN I SAY YOU PEOPLE THINK IN TERMS OF MONEY THAT IS SERIOUSLY UNDERSTATED!!!!

Which is what I've been trying to say. Handing them money isn't going to fix anything. Helping them go to school and get jobs (and putting conditions on the money the get in the mean time) might.

[swede96]

If bosses actually paid most people for the time they SPENT WORKING most wouldn't make sh*t but have the nerve to act like someone is taking something away from them...

Please Nina don't act like you're shoveling coal... geez...

**** yeah they're taking something! I don't care if I'm sending out financial reports or on here playing with you fine people....I'm not sitting on my couch smoking a bowl like I want to be...I'm at work. I get up every morning and come here...then I go home, change, feed the dog and go to my second job. Sure, some nights we're not busy and I stand around all night...I still have to be there...and I still have to clean the damn place when I leave. I'm not saying I do manual labor all day, but I went out, got a job, got another job, and I show up to both when I'm told.

[swede96]

Generally, there are employment requirements...in a sense. For cash welfare, all adult members of the grant group are required to participate in employment/training activities (whether it's actual work or attending training workshops run by companies that contract with the state to do it) at least 30 hours a week if they are not exempt for other reasons (there are four exemptions: disability, care of a newborn [limited to twelve months lifetime], lack of available childcare, and something else that I can't even remember, so it must not be common).

Here's the thing with the employment requirements: if a member of the grant group refuses to participate, it does not create ineligibility for the other members of the grant group, just for the refusing individual. If the grant group is mom and her kid, they would normally get $305 (in my county) per month. If mom is sanctioned due to noncompliance, we change the grant size to that for a family one less, (in this case $195 for a group of 1, the kid). The government's theory is that while we would prefer everybody participate, we ultimately want that family to get something in the hopes that some of it will get to the kid. If we give them nothing, it's guaranteed the kid will get: nothing.

Adults are also limited to receiving cash assistance to five years over their lifetime. When that time is up, we treat them like somebody not participating in work activities and don't count them in the grant group size (although any income they have would still count).

Currently, the federal government requires states to have 50% of all families participating in work-related activities, and 90% of all two-parent families. States can get reductions in those requirements if they experience a reduction in the number of people receiving TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families).

Which brings me to another aside: most cash welfare is directed towards families with children (that's what TANF is). It is very difficult for individuals without children to qualify for cash assistance. Non-family related cash welfare generally comes from the states. In mine, an individual pretty much needs to be disabled (in which case they are required to apply for Social Security Disability or Supplemental Security Income [which is federal cash welfare ONLY for disabled or aged people]) or in a recognized drug-treatment program (nine-month lifetime limit).

Most of the Welfare Queen types are either a) sanctioned, i.e. refuse to participate in work, in which case their grant is reduced in the hopes that at least some of the money helps the kid(s) [they may also be sanctioned for not being compliant with court costs and fines] or b) exempt due to disability and can't work.

Well, I don't know how they get around it, but the peole I'm referring to are sitting on thier asses doing nothing and have been for quite some time. And I can tell you right now, more money goes to momma's nails and wrdrobe than to those children.

[swede96]

This is why it is great to talk to people in the field...

Thanks for posting the info..

You mentioned drugs as the biggest factor.. I agree but that is an element in the enviroment which could be changed but if it was then our criminal justice system would be like the subprime market with layoffs so that's not an option...

What the hell are you talking about?

[swede96]

ok...then EVERYONE should have the breath analyzer for alcohol placed in their car if they work and pay taxes here in the united states

all this talk about pot....ooooo....its such a bad drug

"ok marty lets head down to the local bar and get shitfaced....start a couple of fights....then after that....we'll go drive around and run some red lights....its ok though...because its "legal" and we arent smoking pot"

I'd really like to know where drunk driving, assault and running red lights is legal.

Yer cute when you have no idea what the grown ups are talking about.

[swede96]

First of all, testing isn't foolproof. All results can be manipulated...including hair follicle test. We have clients who "cheat" them all the time. Bottom line is that whether you agree or not, illegal drug is that...illegal. Not everyone who gets a check from Uncle Sam is a lazyass. I have handled a lot of Social Security Appeals to know that. And you know what, there are a lot of people out there that I think should get more food stamps than they do because they don't get crap. I know of one lady who is disabled, draws around $650 a month and gets $30 a month in food stamps. That is what she is expected to live on month to month. But then we've had clients who are capable of working but don't and are content to sit back and "draw their check". Oh well...no one said life was fair.

I agree...and again, this is from someone who actually partakes in an illegal drug. That's a luxury I can afford because I WORK. And AGAIN, if I was cought doing it, my checks would stop coming in...why should somebody on state assistance that is supposed to be used for their CHILDREN be any different?

I do. And I'll be sure to pass along your thanks to all my military pals. I know they will happy to receive them.

Right. My best friend shipped off to Katar today. Whether any of us agree with the war or not, the troops joined in order to serve their country and the believe they are doing that. They deserve our respect at the very least.

[swede96]

sooo...even though marijuana has been PROVEN to help people with chronic illness (I can speak about this first hand because someone close to me has MS and when she smokes it makes her feel better) your logic is "because it is 'illegal' its bad and people should be penalized for smoking it"....regardless if they have a doctors prescription??

Wowsers. Yeah....that's kinda what ILLEGAL means...if you do it you get in trouble. Duh. People with perscriptions are a different story...totally not the point of the discussion. Lets be honest here...probably about 5% of pot smokers have perscriptions....and more then likely....half of the perscriptions aren't legit. But hey, good for them...I wish I could get a perscription for it!

and according to your logic its ok to get drunk all day and drink your life away at the bar because its "legal" as long as you pay the tax on that shot of jack daniels...and those people are seen as 'good' people....because the drug that they are doing is "legal"...and yes if you didnt know...alcohol IS a drug

No, it is not okay to get drunk all day. Yes, I know alcohol is a drug...hell, I even think it's MORE harmful than pot. But pot is illegal. I don't like it, but those are the rules. Furthermore, if you had READ my posts, you'd know that I don't agree with people on welfare spending that money on alcohol either. Of course, you have no idea what I'm talking about because you came in here and saw a few comments about pot...now it's a "legalize it" discussion. Seriously, dude...put down the pipe...you're giving us pot smokers a bad name over here.

let me ask you this....if the government told you it was ok to eat cloned beef...would you eat it?....lmfao....dont answer that

Let me ask you this: What does cloned beef have to do with the price of tea in China?

And can you please pass that shit already? I think you've had enough.

[swede96]

Are you asking me what the official reason was or what the real result has been? I'm not sure what you call it, but when Country A's objective is to invade Country B, depose its current leader and install a completely new form of government, then by my logic the end result, assuming Country A is successful, will be a drastic change in Country B's political environment.

So now I ask you: What exactly should the federal, state and local governments in this country do to change the environment for those on welfare that will magically cause everything to fall into place?

First, Willie...we should give them more money. Then we should give them ALL hugs. Then we should stop sending "the man" in there to harrass them every time there is a tiny little stabbing or shooting.

[ShamsWoof10]

Are you asking me what the official reason was or what the real result has been? I'm not sure what you call it, but when Country A's objective is to invade Country B, depose its current leader and install a completely new form of government, then by my logic the end result, assuming Country A is successful, will be a drastic change in Country B's political environment.

Political is not exactly what I was after here Willie... Country A is not successful with their OWN so no they haven't been successful unless the definition of success is very loose...

So now I ask you: What exactly should the federal, state and local governments in this country do to change the environment for those on welfare that will magically cause everything to fall into place?

Well now we are getting somewhere... Well since I have the power, influence, and money of the federal goverment I would first hit media of course... You can call it tax breaks, incentives, or just stuffing cash in directors/producers/writers?CEO's pockets to make a few changes... So keep that in mind when I say encouraged...

Song writers would be "encouraged" to change the format of their lyrics... Artists would be "encouraged" to use a dress code as well as using better language when making public appearences... TV "Programs" would be geared towards the following themes: first ..formost >>>>"EDUCATION!!!", "family structure", "proper behavior", "responsiblity", and "quality of life"...

Basically less "Ellen" and more "Cosby Show"....

There would be dozens of local officers on foot in the neighborhoods (only needed in the beginning).. To stop the drug tracking (illegal drugs) I would simply command the CIA to stop bringing it in and distributing it... PERSCRIPTION DRUGS WILL BECOME VERY LIMITED!!!!

I would shift the economy into mostly a service economy... I would "encourage" ONLY solar and wind power...

This is just to start!!!

If I could not "encourage" them then I would tell them to call their loved ones and tell them they loved them because that would be the last time they talked to them...

I think I'm officially obsessed with Hankie Webber and his videos. I probably check his youtube page 20 times a day, hoping for a new video. When I see there's a new one up there, I get so excited. I pop in a nice, juicy dip of Copenhagen longcut and just sit back and watch the video...and usually laugh my ass off. When he doesnt post a video for awhile, I get sad. It's the same feeling I used to have when I was in Junior High and I would wait all night for a girl to call me, and then when she finally called me I'd be so happy. That's how I feel with Webber's videos. But it's also ruining my relationships with people. I was out with Baus a few days ago and we met these broads. I just kept adding "dot com" to the end of every sentence. They thought I was totally screwed up. "Yea...come over and lets make out....makeout.com!!!!" Then I kept calling people at the bar "Buzzy" and "Sickler" and I would just get the weirdest looks. At one point I was in the bathroom and I just looked at myself in the mirror and yelled: "Kenny!! Where's my money Kenny!?!?!" People thought I was just messed. Finally I kicked this broad out of my house and I told her it was because I had to get up early to work at the docks and then settle up with my bookies by 11am. No wonder I havent got any tail yet in 2008. Hankie Webber's videos have messed up my brain...but I can't wait for the next one...and the next one...and the next one.

Keep it up Coach.

This is an excellent example... This poster admits copying JJ's remarks... JJ is no one either . this should give you an idea of how influential the combination of celebs. and media have on shaping society as a whole...

[ShamsWoof10]

**** yeah they're taking something! I don't care if I'm sending out financial reports or on here playing with you fine people....I'm not sitting on my couch smoking a bowl like I want to be...I'm at work. I get up every morning and come here...then I go home, change, feed the dog and go to my second job. Sure, some nights we're not busy and I stand around all night...I still have to be there...and I still have to clean the damn place when I leave. I'm not saying I do manual labor all day, but I went out, got a job, got another job, and I show up to both when I'm told.

That's it..? Be lucky anyone is willing to pay you.. "I work HARD" she says... oh please...

[Willie Bee]

Ok Shams, good luck with all of that encouragement. Stuffing cash into the media's pocket and enforcing a dress code for artists should have an incredible impact on the welfare soakers in ths country. Would love to discuss your magic plan more, but I have to return to reality now.

[swede96]

That's it..? Be lucky anyone is willing to pay you.. "I work HARD" she says... oh please...

Excuse me? Who the hell are you to tell me how hard I work? How many hours a week do you put in? I'm gainfully employed, which is more than I can say for the people I'm referring to in my posts. I am at work for 8:30 in the morning and don't get home on the nights I go to my second job until 10:30 or 11:00...then I have to be up and at work at 8:30 the next day. Yes, SOME nights we are slow and I don't have many table to help...and some I rack up over $1100 in sales. Do you have any idea how much work that takes in a 5-6 hour shift at a reasonably priced establishment. Probably not. I can deal with a lot of your egotistical ranting, Shams. But NO ONE EVER is allowed to question my work ethic. I worked a 55 hour week with a sinus infection. It wasn't all that long ago that I only got a day off once every three weeks.

[Sportsgirl]

That's it..? Be lucky anyone is willing to pay you.. "I work HARD" she says... oh please...

Shams, sweetie, you're sorta starting to sound like an asshat now. I mean, seriously, how could you possibly know how hard Swede works or doesn't work. And beyond that, the real point here is the employed VS the jobless, regardless of how hard they work - the employed are still working.

[RageWizard]

[QUOTE=swede96;502200]Wowsers. Yeah....that's kinda what ILLEGAL means...if you do it you get in trouble. Duh. People with perscriptions are a different story...totally not the point of the discussion. Lets be honest here...probably about 5% of pot smokers have perscriptions....and more then likely....half of the perscriptions aren't legit. But hey, good for them...I wish I could get a perscription for it!


Your in luck ther Swedes, I wish my state had the medical marijuana like Rhode Island. Below are some links that explain the deal.

http://www.health.ri.gov/hsr/mmp/index.php

http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/PublicLaws/law05/law05443.htm

http://www2.sec.state.ri.us/rules/released/pdf/DOH/DOH_3902.pdf

[swede96]

Well now we are getting somewhere... Well since I have the power, influence, and money of the federal goverment I would first hit media of course... You can call it tax breaks, incentives, or just stuffing cash in directors/producers/writers?CEO's pockets to make a few changes... So keep that in mind when I say encouraged...

Song writers would be "encouraged" to change the format of their lyrics... Artists would be "encouraged" to use a dress code as well as using better language when making public appearences... TV "Programs" would be geared towards the following themes: first ..formost >>>>"EDUCATION!!!", "family structure", "proper behavior", "responsiblity", and "quality of life"...

Wow, I thought i was going to pee my pants laughing at this. Shams, how much money do you think we should give these already multi millionares? They make more money when they're walking around half naked and singing about "bling" than the government would ever pay them. Are you really dense enough to be another one of "those" that thinks that Manson made kids shoot up schools too?

I listened to some pretty offensive music when I was younger...it didn't make me go out and dress like a whore or shoot cops. If music or TV is influencing a child like that, it is the PARENT'S job to pick up on that and restrict what they listen to. It is a PARENT'S job to make sure their kid is living a moral life, not the TV. You made a comment about people letting their kids grow up on Fox News...hell, that's a lot better than BET.

When I was in Jr. High, I bought Offspring: Smash with my allowance. I left it out on the counter one day. My dad read the lyrics, sat me down and talked to me about violence, then threw it away. He didn't want me singing along to "...kids are strappin' on the way to the classroom, gettin' weapons with the greatest of ease..." At the time, I thought he was going overboard, but now I know that he was just being a GOOD parent. There is no excuse for 10 and 11 year olds going around singing 50 Cent. None. There is no excuse for not knowing what your child is up to. It's not the government's job to protect and guide YOUR children, it's yours.

I, for one, would be pretty pissed off if all the music, TV shows and movies were about bunnies and love and rainbows. I love my SVU and reality TV...it does not make me go out and commit sex crimes or spit on people.

Basically less "Ellen" and more "Cosby Show"....

What's wrong with Ellen? She's a caring person and I think she puts on a pretty good show.

There would be dozens of local officers on foot in the neighborhoods (only needed in the beginning).. To stop the drug tracking (illegal drugs) I would simply command the CIA to stop bringing it in and distributing it... PERSCRIPTION DRUGS WILL BECOME VERY LIMITED!!!!

Do you REALLY think these neighborhoods wouldn't protest having cops on foot all over their streets? Do you REALLY think they would welcome that? I see a lot of riots and harrassment claims coming from this idea. I was trying not to play the race card at all...so I'll be very careful here: In my town, most of the cops are white and most of the residents of low income housing are black. That's fact, not an assumption. You know damn well that if white cops started patrolling the streets of predominantly black neighborhoods there would be a different story of how horribly these people are being treated because they're black...not because there's a high crime rate in that area...it would turn into a race war in a matter of days.

I used to work for a pizza delivery place. We did not deliver to the neighborhood I'm speaking of after dark. One night a woman called from there for a delivery and I had to tell her: "I'm sorry maam, we don't deliver there after dark." To which I got: "What?! Why da **** not?! We have a right to eat!!! My kids are hungry!! (Ummm...she only ordered one sandwich, but whatever.) ****in' racists!!" My response? "Maam, I'm sorry, but our delivery drivers have been beaten and robbed more than once in that neighborhood and we can't run the risk of sending them in there anymore." Then she started in with a "We're good people!..." rant. And on and on. My point is: anytime someone tries to say ANYTHING about cleaning up these places or the crime rate in them, the race card gets pulled. Sending in an army of cops is probably the owrst idea I've heard yet...wait..not...censoring the madia so people don't actually have to be parents is. Yup.

I would shift the economy into mostly a service economy... I would "encourage" ONLY solar and wind power...

What the hell does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

[RageWizard]

Shams, sweetie, you're sorta starting to sound like an asshat now. I mean, seriously, how could you possibly know how hard Swede works or doesn't work. And beyond that, the real point here is the employed VS the jobless, regardless of how hard they work - the employed are still working.

I have to second that, I bet nobody sits on their ass more than me all day usually in a meeting. Hell I'm in a meeting right now doing nothing listening to people whine about shit that isn't my department and doesn't really pertain to me, but I gotta be their in case they have a tooling question. Which is rare because I keep the ship tight so it may seem that I don't work that hard but in reality my responsiblities are taking care of. Its not how hard you work, its how smart you work.

[swede96]

I have to second that, I bet nobody sits on their ass more than me all day usually in a meeting. Hell I'm in a meeting right now doing nothing listening to people whine about shit that isn't my department and doesn't really pertain to me, but I gotta be their in case they have a tooling question. Which is rare because I keep the ship tight so it may seem that I don't work that hard but in reality my responsiblities are taking care of. Its not how hard you work, its how smart you work.

[ShamsWoof10]

Ok Shams, good luck with all of that encouragement. Stuffing cash into the media's pocket and enforcing a dress code for artists should have an incredible impact on the welfare soakers in ths country. Would love to discuss your magic plan more, but I have to return to reality now.

I think the problem is most people have your perspective... Granted I am not going to take the WHOLE page to point out every detail on how people on welfare would gain but I "guessed" that you would see the bigger picture here... Guess NOT!

Listen to some of these people especially the case worker... They are not saying the money is not there (in 90%+ of the cases) they are saying their priorities are out of line... THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED not some more stupid programs.. The one in place is just fine....

You are looking to target one group (financial) of people... IMO this is an incorrect approach... Target everything people see and hear... Change what they see and hear to more suite the type of society you want and over time it will happen... There is no quick fix here...

Of all the things I listed why did you just target the dress code..? You honestly can't see how that would help them ? Yeah Willie I don't want my black people and whites trying to copy them wearing their sh*t half way down their as*... Try going to a job interview looking like that.. By paying attention to their appearance it gives them confidence which is ONE ingredient of many that needs to be redone to get them in the job market... The system in place now will remain in place but HOW the person acts and thinks about what to do with the assistance will change...

Black people (as an example) have MORE schooling, money, and opportunities then before (as a whole) and they have become WORSE not better in the English Language... Why is that ???? How did A.i. even get into college..?

[ShamsWoof10]

I listened to some pretty offensive music when I was younger...it didn't make me go out and dress like a whore or shoot cops. If music or TV is influencing a child like that, it is the PARENT'S job to pick up on that and restrict what they listen to. It is a PARENT'S job to make sure their kid is living a moral life, not the TV. You made a comment about people letting their kids grow up on Fox News...hell, that's a lot better than BET.

Who the hell said I would be in favor of BET..? You also might be too busy "working" but it was not me who made that comment... You're boss should pay you by the post you "HARD" worker you...

Why do you keep assuming that everyone has PARENTS or a GOOD PARENT..? Based on what ..because they "SHOULD"..?

What are your ideas people on how to change the "environment" for the welfare people as well as everyone else..?

Let's see what you got..

[Sportsgirl]

Who the hell said I would be in favor of BET..? You also might be too busy "working" but it was not me who made that comment... You're boss should pay you by the post you "HARD" worker you...

Why do you keep assuming that everyone has PARENTS or a GOOD PARENT..? Based on what ..because they "SHOULD"..?

What are your ideas people on how to change the "environment" for the welfare people as well as everyone else..?

Let's see what you got..

No. 1: All women who have a child and are on welfare must get a Depo shot in the arm before they can pick up their check. If you can't afford the child you currently have, having anymore isn't a good plan for you. This way, it gives the mom a chance to get on here feet and hopefully, eventually take care of her child on her own.

No. 2: Confiscate the drivers licenses of all deadbeat Dad's. There has got to be more serious reprecutions in place for Dads that make babies they don't pay for. If you'r listen on the birth certificate as the father, then you've gotta be made to pay.

No. 3: Stop just handing out checks to people. Find avenues to really help people become employed. Offer acceptable attire for job hunting and have them come each week with proof of at least 3 job interviews they've been on proving their attempt to become employed. Offer courses in rudimentary things like computer and typing skills. The expense of this will be offset by people becoming employed more quickly and therefore not just taking the check for years to come.

[ShamsWoof10]

No. 1: All women who have a child and are on welfare must get a Depo shot in the arm before they can pick up their check. If you can't afford the child you currently have, having anymore isn't a good plan for you. This way, it gives the mom a chance to get on here feet and hopefully, eventually take care of her child on her own
.

WOW.... I am not in favor of putting things that are NOT neccessary in people because of MONEY! You are talking about f*ckin' with a person's body not to mention the reproductive system.... What if something goes wrong like it usually seems to with these drugs..? Can we be a little more human..?

..and I thought cops on foot instead of a car was a police state...geeeez

I would be interested in hearing "Matskr's" response to all of our comments...

AGAIN ALL OF YOU THINK OF EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF MONEY GOOD F*CKIN' GOD!!!!

[swede96]

Who the hell said I would be in favor of BET..? You also might be too busy "working" but it was not me who made that comment... You're boss should pay you by the post you "HARD" worker you...

Why do you keep assuming that everyone has PARENTS or a GOOD PARENT..? Based on what ..because they "SHOULD"..?

What are your ideas people on how to change the "environment" for the welfare people as well as everyone else..?

Let's see what you got..

My bad...I have a little trouble keeping all the bleeding hearts and blame-passers straight...

My ideas? In addition to those I've already stated:

1. Give them less cash and more items they need. (ie. coats, shoes and clothing for children in addtion to food and medical care, obviously.)

2. Enforce the employment requirements already in place better.

3. Offer cheap/free GOOD childcare so that single mother CAN work without having to pay out the ass or bring their chidren to sub-standard day cares.

4. Offer education assitance so people in these environments can get better jobs. Also, let being a full time student supliment their employment requirement if they maintain a high GPA.

5. (And this goes for EVERY parent) Start holding parents accountable when their children commit crimes.

That's just to start...

[swede96]

No. 3: Stop just handing out checks to people. Find avenues to really help people become employed. Offer acceptable attire for job hunting and have them come each week with proof of at least 3 job interviews they've been on proving their attempt to become employed. Offer courses in rudimentary things like computer and typing skills. The expense of this will be offset by people becoming employed more quickly and therefore not just taking the check for years to come.

That's a GREAT idea, Sporty. I worked with a charity that did just that. We put donation boxes at many office parks and collected hundreds of ladies business suits and work attire. It was called the "Dress for Sucess" program. Good name.

[ShamsWoof10]

Shams, sweetie, you're sorta starting to sound like an asshat now. I mean, seriously, how could you possibly know how hard Swede works or doesn't work. And beyond that, the real point here is the employed VS the jobless, regardless of how hard they work - the employed are still working.

There is a differance between going to work and working hard... I had a job at Priscilla's (lingerie store) here in Toledo acrossed from an all girls catholic school LOL and I worked 40 hours a week... The hardest part about that job was getting to work... I would NOT insult the people that actually "WORK HARD" by saying I work hard... I went to a place of work and sat there for hours on this chair that looked like a high heel (it was cool) and waiting for people to come in... Banged the manager (that b*tch is still there) in the bathroom but that's another story... I hired her she fired me...ain't that a b*tch!

I was not shoveling coal... I tell people that all the time and I told my cousin's wife once.. You watch kids all day it's not like you're shoveling coal... She actually said "Hey I shoveled coal before.." I was stunned..only time I ever got that response in 20 years... "Are you serious..?" She had a job at one of the coal plants in Monroe Michigan and I asked "well...hehe is it harder watching kids all day or shoveling coal..?" She said.."no shoveling coal is absolutely a b*tch and is truly hard work so yeah I know what you mean "...

[swede96]

WOW.... I am not in favor of putting things that are NOT neccessary in people because of MONEY! You are talking about f*ckin' with a person's body not to mention the reproductive system.... What if something goes wrong like it usually seems to with these drugs..? Can we be a little more human..?

..and I thought cops on foot instead of a car was a police state...geeeez

I would be interested in hearing "Matskr's" response to all of our comments...

AGAIN ALL OF YOU THINK OF EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF MONEY GOOD F*CKIN' GOD!!!!

YOU are the one thinking in terms of money, Shams, WE are thinking in terms of the quality of life for those children AND providing a medication that can be very expensive to women trying to get back on their feet. How is somebody on welfare supposed to support a second or third child if they can't even support the ones they already have? We're not talking about forcing anyone to take the shot...they don't HAVE to come pick up the check. Birth control is pretty damn safe, so you can tone down the drama.

WE are humans. Humans weigh the consequences of their actions and take responsibility for them. I, as a human being, know that I am not in a financial or emotional position to have a child right now, so I take my pill. Animals breed with no regard for what will happen to their offspring or how they will take care of them...and even most animals do what it takes to provide them with food and shelter...without getting a check every month.

[swede96]

There is a differance between going to work and working hard... I had a job at Priscilla's (lingerie store) here in Toledo acrossed from an all girls catholic school LOL and I worked 40 hours a week... The hardest part about that job was getting to work... I would NOT insult the people that actually "WORK HARD" by saying I work hard... I went to a place of work and sat there for hours on this chair that looked like a high heel (it was cool) and waiting for people to come in... Banged the manager (that b*tch is still there) in the bathroom but that's another story... I hired her she fired me...ain't that a b*tch!

I was not shoveling coal... I tell people that all the time and I told my cousin's wife once.. You watch kids all day it's not like you're shoveling coal... She actually said "Hey I shoveled coal before.." I was stunned..only time I ever got that response in 20 years... "Are you serious..?" She had a job at one of the coal plants in Monroe Michigan and I asked "well...hehe is it harder watching kids all day or shoveling coal..?" She said.."no shoveling coal is absolutely a b*tch and is truly hard work so yeah I know what you mean "...

1. Watching kids all day IS hard work.

2. You have no idea what I do all day, so don't pretend to.

3. If you think waiting tables after you've already worked for 8 hours that day isn't hard work, you are too stupid to even continue this discussion with.

4. I am exhausted at the end of my week. Did I mention that I also have to come home and do my homework? And that my dog needs just about constant care at this point in his life? There are times when I work a 15 hour day and have to come home and carry all 80 pounds of him outside to pee bcause his hips are so sore.

5. I am baffled that you can feel SO sorry for people who sit on their asses and mooch off the system and then have the nerve to tell someone with two jobs, two colleges courses and a multitude of other daily chores that they don't work hard.

[ShamsWoof10]

1. Watching kids all day IS hard work.

2. You have no idea what I do all day, so don't pretend to.

3. If you think waiting tables after you've already worked for 8 hours that day isn't hard work, you are too stupid to even continue this discussion with.

4. I am exhausted at the end of my week. Did I mention that I also have to come home and do my homework? And that my dog needs just about constant care at this point in his life? There are times when I work a 15 hour day and have to come home and carry all 80 pounds of him outside to pee bcause his hips are so sore.

5. I am baffled that you can feel SO sorry for people who sit on their asses and mooch off the system and then have the nerve to tell someone with two jobs, two colleges courses and a multitude of other daily chores that they don't work hard.

1.. I watch a little toddler all day almost everyday for a f*ckin' year so don't tell me it's hard work... IT IS NOT HARD WORK! If it is you are one spoiled person...

2.. Like I said if you want a raise have your boss pay you by the post... You would probably consider your posting as hard work...

3.. Waiting tables is actually work... Gee how come you don't post then... because you are actually working...hard

4. You suggest if they can't take care of their kids then don't have them... If you can't take care of that dog then don't have one... Maybe you should have gotten a shot first before getting the dog... It needs almost constant care and you are gone 15 hours a day at times...? mmmmkkkayyyy!

5.. I'm not talking about your over all life but I don't expect you to realize that...

[RageWizard]

There is a differance between going to work and working hard... I had a job at Priscilla's (lingerie store) here in Toledo acrossed from an all girls catholic school LOL and I worked 40 hours a week... The hardest part about that job was getting to work... I would NOT insult the people that actually "WORK HARD" by saying I work hard... I went to a place of work and sat there for hours on this chair that looked like a high heel (it was cool) and waiting for people to come in... Banged the manager (that b*tch is still there) in the bathroom but that's another story... I hired her she fired me...ain't that a b*tch!

I was not shoveling coal... I tell people that all the time and I told my cousin's wife once.. You watch kids all day it's not like you're shoveling coal... She actually said "Hey I shoveled coal before.." I was stunned..only time I ever got that response in 20 years... "Are you serious..?" She had a job at one of the coal plants in Monroe Michigan and I asked "well...hehe is it harder watching kids all day or shoveling coal..?" She said.."no shoveling coal is absolutely a b*tch and is truly hard work so yeah I know what you mean "...

Again dude, you want to work smart. If you got a job shoveling shit in a cow field then maybe working hard is working smart. For myself, I went to college and got a job figuring out how to form metal parts for car and truck frames. My first year I was sent out with another engineer to see how he diagnosed tooling problems. In every case there were people already on the case trying to fix the problems that arise in this field. Most of these people were competent employees in their field of fixing stampings. People would spend days trying to fix problems with no progress. Several times the dude that I had to follow around would waltz in spend 30 minutes looking at the problem. Then tell everybody what to do ( kind of like in pulp fiction when they accidently shot the dude in the car.) and leave to go to the bar. 30 minutes of work, but problem solved. He's the one who made the BIG bucks because of his knowledge.

[ShamsWoof10]

2. Enforce the employment requirements already in place better.

You are missing one major thing... You may be able to enforce employment requirments but each day there is LESS and LESS employment.. duuuuhhh! "go get a job.." like there is an infinite amount of jobs out there...

You miss the point that you have even made along with everyone else... For the most part it's not that welfare people are short on getting things... If they OR THUGS steel for "Air Jordan" $200 shoes ...are you going to tell me they can't do it for a nice suite..? Why would it be done for shoes and not a suite..? Things are there..the motivation IS NOT! My sister buys my dad new clothes and he doesn't bother to wear them...WHY..???

1. Give them less cash and more items they need. (ie. coats, shoes and clothing for children in addtion to food and medical care, obviously.).

All your doing is going from giving people paper to cards to product... They can still trade any of those for drugs you can not stop that.... You must change their priorities and thinking all together...

This is the same type of thinking as someone who would hit a computer when it has a software program thinking you are going to fix something...

You do NOT understand human pycology whatsoever... I wonder if you even think it exists...

Too lazy to f*ck with the rest of your points... It's work...hehe!

[ShamsWoof10]

Again dude, you want to work smart. If you got a job shoveling shit in a cow field then maybe working hard is working smart. For myself, I went to college and got a job figuring out how to form metal parts for car and truck frames. My first year I was sent out with another engineer to see how he diagnosed tooling problems. In every case there were people already on the case trying to fix the problems that arise in this field. Most of these people were competent employees in their field of fixing stampings. People would spend days trying to fix problems with no progress. Several times the dude that I had to follow around would waltz in spend 30 minutes looking at the problem. Then tell everybody what to do ( kind of like in pulp fiction when they accidently shot the dude in the car.) and leave to go to the bar. 30 minutes of work, but problem solved. He's the one who made the BIG bucks because of his knowledge.

Let's face it... work in our society is anything that is considered a "job"... I was a volunteer coach and worked harder then I ever have in my life other then lifting but both of those were not considered work by ANYONE!!!... I sat on my as* for 8 hours at Priscilla's selling lingerie to people, stripper clothes to strippers, and once in a while hit a cash register...now suddenly that's work....? According to society ..yes!

[swede96]

1.. I watch a little toddler all day almost everyday for a f*ckin' year so don't tell me it's hard work... IT IS NOT HARD WORK! If it is you are one spoiled person...

2.. Like I said if you want a raise have your boss pay you by the post... You would probably consider your posting as hard work...

3.. Waiting tables is actually work... Gee how come you don't post then... because you are actually working...hard

4. You suggest if they can't take care of their kids then don't have them... If you can't take care of that dog then don't have one... Maybe you should have gotten a shot first before getting the dog... It needs almost constant care and you are gone 15 hours a day at times...? mmmmkkkayyyy!

5.. I'm not talking about your over all life but I don't expect you to realize that...

1. Give birth to a child and care for it from infancy and tell me it's not hard work.

2. Don't worry about my boss. I get glowing performance reviews and I still have time to play...because I DO work hard.

3. I don't post because amazingly, there is no computer there.

4. When I got my dog 12 years ago (being only 12 myself), I didn't really think about what was going to happen when his hips went...one reason why 12 year olds probably shouldn't have babies. Mt roommate and I work almost opposite schedules. He's rarely alone for more than a couple hours a day. She makes sure he doesn't fall and hurt himself, but she can't lift him. That's my job...and I do it, because I am a responsible person and I love my dog and care about his comfort.

5. I am at work 55-60 hours a week. When you say I don't work hard...you are talking about my life over all. My life is pretty much all work right now, but I don't expect YOU to understand that.

[BadNina]

So all of society is wrong, with you being the only exception.


Anyone missing that point?

[ShamsWoof10]

5. I am at work 55-60 hours a week. When you say I don't work hard...you are talking about my life over all. My life is pretty much all work right now, but I don't expect YOU to understand that.

The first four are pointless...

This one you got backwards... I think your overall life might be hard work but not the job you are at now... You are NOT working hard now although you may be working...

So all of society is wrong, with you being the only exception.


Anyone missing that point?

WHAAAAT!!>?????