Anyone using food stamps?

[swede96]

Have you ever thought that those decisions and sacrafices were based on your up-bringing..? You must have had a mom/and/or dad that instilled sacrafice in you... What do you think I meant when I said all that sh*t above.. Do you think I am trying to rack up posts for the trip..?

Of course, I was raised right. I know this. My parents instilled work ethic and sacrifice (as well as many other values) in me. They could have afforded to buy me everything I wanted and not make me work, but they wanted me to grow up to be a respnsible and caring human being. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach that some parents don't seem to care how their kids turn out...and there's no excuse for it in my eyes.

Your argument is to just let people mooch off of everyone else because that's all they know. Unacceptable. This is exactly why I think there should be drug tests and mandatory birth control for those accepting certain government benefits...to SHOW their kids that there's a price to pay for sitting around on your ass. If the parents aren't goign to do it, someone has to. Kids have made it out of the ghetto to go to ivy league schools and become successful, responsible adults...doctors....lawyers...it can be done.

As for the jail comparison...those people put themselves there, so they should suffer the consequenses whatever they may be. People come out of jail to lead normal lives all the time.

Bottom line: You can sit around an pout about the hand you were dealt (ala LT), OR you can take being passed over until the 6th round of the draft and use that as motivation to prove to the world that you deserve respect (ala Tom Brady). That, my friends, is how you make it to the Super Bowl of life.


Damn I'm deep.

[swede96]

Princess Prissy Paws....? Noo kidding... She prefers it huh..? interesting...

By the way if you're 24.... I'm Tom Brady!

Tom, have I mentioned lately that I want to lick every inch of your body? Don't tell my boyfriend.

Shams, were you in any of the threads where I posted pics?

[swede96]

Swede, you're confusing a person who readily accepts their responsibility (like yourself) with those who don't and their enablers who are constantly there for them with a gunny sack of excuses for them to use.

I know...it's a futile debate....but I love to argue.

[ShamsWoof10]

Tom, have I mentioned lately that I want to lick every inch of your body? Don't tell my boyfriend.

Shams, were you in any of the threads where I posted pics?

Ok ok I'll give you that one.. good come back.. cute!

Just for that I'll put your name on the back of one of the 12 T-Shirts I wear/change during the same...

No what threads..?

Your argument is to just let people mooch off of everyone else because that's all they know. Unacceptable. This is exactly why I think there should be drug tests and mandatory birth control for those accepting certain government benefits...to SHOW their kids that there's a price to pay for sitting around on your ass. If the parents aren't goign to do it, someone has to. Kids have made it out of the ghetto to go to ivy league schools and become successful, responsible adults...doctors....lawyers...it can be done.

To be clear "your deepness"..and my c*** would know... My argument is money or mooching doesn't make any differance one way or the other... First the government should change their environment and once that is done the rest will fall into place by itself... They will make better decisions...

I used to hang out in the projects because most of my friends lived there... Most of the project was on Welfare and actually the mother/parents spent the money on the things they "should" but there was a little abuse here and there... This was 25 years ago and it's differant people there now but the ENVIORMENT has changed that's the differance and that causes everything else...

This is like "Coach" wanting to squeeze in all these new plays in for the next game... My reply: "Hey COACH why not try teaching your linemen how to get in a ***** stance first"... His reply: "F****************CK YOOOOOU!!!"...

[matskralc]

I think that most on here are simply asking for validation of where their money is going for welfare.I don't have a problem with helping anybody thats down on their luck and is trying to put themselves in a better position,but I do have a problem with people using tax dollars to support their lazy asses when they have no intention of seeking employment to help themselves.

Looking at my own caseload, there are a few main groups, roughly in order:

1) The disabled. Lots and lots of people receiving food stamps, cash, and/or medical assistance are disabled. The disabilities I've seen range anywhere from extreme bipolar disorder to terminal cancer to amputated legs. This group is generally incapable of holding down gainful employment.

2) The elderly. A huge number of elderly people on fixed incomes receive medical assistance and food stamps.

3) Single mothers ditched by their children's deadbeat father(s). Most of these single mothers, contrary to much of the rhetoric in this thread, hold jobs and make sacrifices for their children. The ones who don't generally fall into category #1 (mostly) or #4...

4) Drug addicts. A not-insignificant number of people on welfare are drug addicts, no doubt. Nonetheless, the number who are tend to be blown way out of proportion. This group is where, most often, you'll find people whose parents were on welfare. They're usually the lifers, or the ones who were brought up believing welfare was The Way.

5) The temporarily-down-on-their-luck. The people whose companies went out of business and are now jobless. Who were laid-off or fired and don't qualify for unemployment (or don't qualify for enough unemployment to pay the bills). These people exist and while their numbers aren't quite as large as #s 1, 2, or 3, or even 4, they exist.

6) Grandparents suddenly stuck taking care of grandkids (or aunts/uncles with nieces/nephews, etc). Usually the parents are in jail, or fall into #4. Sometimes the parents are dead. While some of these parents aren't willing to own up and take responsibility for the kids themselves, they are cognizant enough of their terrible situation and parenting skills to allow their kids' grandparents to raise the kids. While it is a tragedy that many in our older generations are forced to raise their children's children, this is a far better situation for the children than forcing their crack-addled parents to keep them.


The image of the Welfare Queen, popularized by Reaganites in the 1980s, is just that: an image. It is far from the truth or the norm. Obviously, there are abusers of the system. No sane caseworker can deny that, and I have plenty of people in my filing cabinet I suspect are exploiters of the system.


Ultimately, I believe the problem is not particularly the welfare system, but drugs. I once believed in the whole "people can put whatever they want in their bodies, who is Uncle Sam to hold us down blah blah blah" libertarian philosophy regarding drug usage until I took this job. Drugs destroy individuals, they destroy families, they destroy neighborhoods, they destroy entire cities. The cost to society of drug use is absolutely enormous, and the fact that we focus on pursuing and punishing the users and victims and not the perpetrators of the problem (the dealers and smugglers) is distressing.

[MBENZ]

I know...it's a futile debate....but I love to argue.

Keep your ethics Swede and when the whip comes down,you will have something,and the panhandelers will still be panhandlers.I am a firm believer that the working class heroes will still maintain this country.I retire in 2 years at 55 and never got one handout and am proud of it.

[swede96]

matskralc, please know that I'm not generalizing all people getting assistance. I speak from what I have seen with my own eyes. I've met quite a few "welfare queens"...more of them that the people that truly deserve the help, unfortunately.

[swede96]

Keep your ethics Swede and when the whip comes down,you will have something,and the panhandelers will still be panhandlers.I am a firm believer that the working class heroes will still maintain this country.I retire in 2 years at 55 and never got one handout and am proud of it.

I've joked about stoping the pill and getting knocked up so I could "retire early", but I could never do it. I'm a worker, that's what I do. Sure, I feel almost punished for it at times, but shit...having respect for myself is the most important thing for me. That's what keeps me going. I actually AM a caring person. My friends and family know that I would give them the shirt off my back if they asked.

I'd also like to add that I may have been brought up in a nice, middle class neighborhood...but that doesn't mean I didn't have my share of obstacles to overcome. That is why I have no sympathy for people that don't even try.

[RageWizard]

I think it might be time to sing a song to end the day on a high note now that everybody is O.K. with everybody else.

Good luck and I hope everybody wins the lottery tonight.

[swede96]

I'm outta here. It's quitting time.

[swede96]

To be clear "your deepness"... My argument is money or mooching doesn't make any differance one way or the other... First the government should change their environment and once that is done the rest will fall into place by itself... They will make better decisions...

It's not the government's job. Only the people IN the community can change it. You know damn well that if the government came through trying to clean up the projects all hell would break loose. I'll elaborate tomrrow.

No what threads..?

I showed a couple of the guys my picture. Ask the Seer how old I am.

[matskralc]

matskralc, please know that I'm not generalizing all people getting assistance. I speak from what I have seen with my own eyes. I've met quite a few "welfare queens"...more of them that the people that truly deserve the help, unfortunately.

Most people who truly need/deserve the help are embarrassed of that fact. Welfare Queens generally are not: the stigma attached to public assistance does not affect them. So it does seems natural that a casual (or even not-so-casual) observer may have the impression that the Welfare Queen-to-deserving individual ratio is too heavy on the Welfare Queen side.

I'm just doing my best to point out that the system, while clunky and naturally inefficient (being that government wouldn't know efficient if it jumped up and bit them in the ass), works much better than lots of people think it does. I was no fan of welfare myself when I took this job (history BAs, stunningly, don't offer many options in the workforce!), but have gradually come to appreciate it more and more over time.

I would wager that you, I, and anybody else in here would be surprised at how many people we've come across that were on, or had once been on, public assistance of some form.

[MBENZ]

I think it might be time to sing a song to end the day on a high note now that everybody is O.K. with everybody else.

Good luck and I hope everybody wins the lottery tonight.

Point taken,have a good evening Rage.

[RageWizard]

Hey Swedes I thought that you were going to leave, we almost had a kumbi-ya type of ending then you piped in with the parting rant. Whats up with that? You have to stir the pot don't you. Fiesty people excite me, sorry.

[BadNina]

Ok, Shams, let me make sure I have this straight.

That's its ok for people to become permanent suckers off the government tit and blow their money that I and millions of other Americans earn for them in any fashion they see fit; let me and millions of other Americans pay for their health care and for their spawns; and make sure they have toys for Christmas, turkeys for Thanksgiving, and mani/pedi's all because A) their mommas didn't teach them any better B) their mommas didn't hug them enough C) their mommas smacked them around as kidlets D) all of the above and they just don't know any better?

That is a whole load of crap but save it cause in a few months I'll need it for my flower garden.

[matskralc]

Ask the Seer how old I am.

Old enough to know better???

[LVHerbie]

I just read like half this thread and realize why I only come here once a every three or four days now and usually just skim the the first page of post...

[Willie Bee]

First the government should change their environment and once that is done the rest will fall into place by itself... They will make better decisions...

Yes, the US Govt has done a wonderful job changing the environment in Iraq, huh? Like swede said, what a load of crrrrrrrrrrrap!

I'll be more than happy to give someone a hand up. But the lazy sonsabitches that are just looking for handouts without trying to pull themselves up a little? Sorry, I have not one ounce of sympathy nor one thin dime to offer them.

MBENZ and matskralc - Excellent posts

[ShamsWoof10]

Ok, Shams, let me make sure I have this straight.

That's its ok for people to become permanent suckers off the government tit and blow their money that I and millions of other Americans earn for them in any fashion they see fit; let me and millions of other Americans pay for their health care and for their spawns; and make sure they have toys for Christmas, turkeys for Thanksgiving, and mani/pedi's all because A) their mommas didn't teach them any better B) their mommas didn't hug them enough C) their mommas smacked them around as kidlets D) all of the above and they just don't know any better?.

I didn't say it was or was NOT ok.... I am simply saying that money is not going to fix that problem no matter how much you give them... You are not getting the point you are too worried about what YOU think they are taking from you..

A-D are useless output as a result of useless imput...

WHEN I SAY YOU PEOPLE THINK IN TERMS OF MONEY THAT IS SERIOUSLY UNDERSTATED!!!!

[ShamsWoof10]

Yes, the US Govt has done a wonderful job changing the environment in Iraq, huh? Like swede said, what a load of crrrrrrrrrrrap!

I'll be more than happy to give someone a hand up. But the lazy sonsabitches that are just looking for handouts without trying to pull themselves up a little? Sorry, I have not one ounce of sympathy nor one thin dime to offer them.

MBENZ and matskralc - Excellent posts

Mataskalc that break down was just SOLID!!!

No Willie what is a load of crap is that you must think that's what they went there to do... If that is the case with anyone then don't even bother with this thread!

I just read like half this thread and realize why I only come here once a every three or four days now and usually just skim the the first page of post...

What a useless post!

[Willie Bee]

No Willie what is a load of crap is that you must think that's what they went there to do... If that is the case with anyone then don't even bother with this thread!

There you go again trying to be a mind reader. But since it will be good for a laugh at least, please tell me what we're still doing there if it's not trying to change their environment?

[BadNina]

I didn't say it was or was NOT ok.... I am simply saying that money is not going to fix that problem no matter how much you give them... You are not getting the point you are too worried about what YOU think they are taking from you.

I agree with the government not giving people who are capable of working a handout. There are situations that arise to where people need assistance for a period of time. I am all for that. Otherwise...nope.

And I know what they are taking from me. It's called time that I spend working and money that I earn working. My boss doesn't pay me to sit here and look pretty. OK...sometimes that does happen but still...I make the effort every morning to get up, get dressed and look pretty while I'm sitting here. There have been occasions I have worked more than one job at a time. Why? Cause there were things I wanted so I earned the means the get them with.

Since you keep bringing up Iraq, let me say I don't mind a penny of money taken from my paycheck to help support anything our military does. They lay it all on the line so I can sit here, looking pretty and type words on the internets when I should be doing a little work. They can have my money along with my gratitude.

[ShamsWoof10]

There you go again trying to be a mind reader. But since it will be good for a laugh at least, please tell me what we're still doing there if it's not trying to change their environment?

Ummm I did say "IF" that is the case.. meaning I am asking.. So do you think we "really" went there to change their enviorment..?

Change it from what to what..?

[matskralc]

I agree with the government not giving people who are capable of working a handout. There are situations that arise to where people need assistance for a period of time. I am all for that. Otherwise...nope.

Generally, there are employment requirements...in a sense. For cash welfare, all adult members of the grant group are required to participate in employment/training activities (whether it's actual work or attending training workshops run by companies that contract with the state to do it) at least 30 hours a week if they are not exempt for other reasons (there are four exemptions: disability, care of a newborn [limited to twelve months lifetime], lack of available childcare, and something else that I can't even remember, so it must not be common).

Here's the thing with the employment requirements: if a member of the grant group refuses to participate, it does not create ineligibility for the other members of the grant group, just for the refusing individual. If the grant group is mom and her kid, they would normally get $305 (in my county) per month. If mom is sanctioned due to noncompliance, we change the grant size to that for a family one less, (in this case $195 for a group of 1, the kid). The government's theory is that while we would prefer everybody participate, we ultimately want that family to get something in the hopes that some of it will get to the kid. If we give them nothing, it's guaranteed the kid will get: nothing.

Adults are also limited to receiving cash assistance to five years over their lifetime. When that time is up, we treat them like somebody not participating in work activities and don't count them in the grant group size (although any income they have would still count).

Currently, the federal government requires states to have 50% of all families participating in work-related activities, and 90% of all two-parent families. States can get reductions in those requirements if they experience a reduction in the number of people receiving TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families).

Which brings me to another aside: most cash welfare is directed towards families with children (that's what TANF is). It is very difficult for individuals without children to qualify for cash assistance. Non-family related cash welfare generally comes from the states. In mine, an individual pretty much needs to be disabled (in which case they are required to apply for Social Security Disability or Supplemental Security Income [which is federal cash welfare ONLY for disabled or aged people]) or in a recognized drug-treatment program (nine-month lifetime limit).

Most of the Welfare Queen types are either a) sanctioned, i.e. refuse to participate in work, in which case their grant is reduced in the hopes that at least some of the money helps the kid(s) [they may also be sanctioned for not being compliant with court costs and fines] or b) exempt due to disability and can't work.

[ShamsWoof10]

And I know what they are taking from me. It's called time that I spend working and money that I earn working. My boss doesn't pay me to sit here and look pretty. OK...sometimes that does happen but still...I make the effort every morning to get up, get dressed and look pretty while I'm sitting here. There have been occasions I have worked more than one job at a time. Why? Cause there were things I wanted so I earned the means the get them with.

If bosses actually paid most people for the time they SPENT WORKING most wouldn't make sh*t but have the nerve to act like someone is taking something away from them...

Please Nina don't act like you're shoveling coal... geez...

Since you keep bringing up Iraq, let me say I don't mind a penny of money taken from my paycheck to help support anything our military does. They lay it all on the line so I can sit here, looking pretty and type words on the internets when I should be doing a little work. They can have my money along with my gratitude.

Oh sh*t now I gotta clean up all this puke... Thanks Nina there went my lunch...

Please Nina ..your comments can set society back quite a ways...

baaaaah baaaaah baaaaah!!!

[ShamsWoof10]

Generally, there are employment requirements...in a sense. For cash welfare, all adult members of the grant group are required to participate in employment/training activities (whether it's actual work or attending training workshops run by companies that contract with the state to do it) at least 30 hours a week if they are not exempt for other reasons (there are four exemptions: disability, care of a newborn [limited to twelve months lifetime], lack of available childcare, and something else that I can't even remember, so it must not be common).

Here's the thing with the employment requirements: if a member of the grant group refuses to participate, it does not create ineligibility for the other members of the grant group, just for the refusing individual. If the grant group is mom and her kid, they would normally get $305 (in my county) per month. If mom is sanctioned due to noncompliance, we change the grant size to that for a family one less, (in this case $195 for a group of 1, the kid). The government's theory is that while we would prefer everybody participate, we ultimately want that family to get something in the hopes that some of it will get to the kid. If we give them nothing, it's guaranteed the kid will get: nothing.

Adults are also limited to receiving cash assistance to five years over their lifetime. When that time is up, we treat them like somebody not participating in work activities and don't count them in the grant group size (although any income they have would still count).

Currently, the federal government requires states to have 50% of all families participating in work-related activities, and 90% of all two-parent families. States can get reductions in those requirements if they experience a reduction in the number of people receiving TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families).

Which brings me to another aside: most cash welfare is directed towards families with children (that's what TANF is). It is very difficult for individuals without children to qualify for cash assistance. Non-family related cash welfare generally comes from the states. In mine, an individual pretty much needs to be disabled (in which case they are required to apply for Social Security Disability or Supplemental Security Income [which is federal cash welfare ONLY for disabled or aged people]) or in a recognized drug-treatment program (nine-month lifetime limit).

Most of the Welfare Queen types are either a) sanctioned, i.e. refuse to participate in work, in which case their grant is reduced in the hopes that at least some of the money helps the kid(s) [they may also be sanctioned for not being compliant with court costs and fines] or b) exempt due to disability and can't work.

This is why it is great to talk to people in the field...

Thanks for posting the info..

You mentioned drugs as the biggest factor.. I agree but that is an element in the enviroment which could be changed but if it was then our criminal justice system would be like the subprime market with layoffs so that's not an option...

[Cloak & Dagger]

It is still on food stamps and handouts. All that I'm saying is how about a little accountablity for your actions if you are gonna get a handout. If the government wants to pay you to sit at home and watch Springer, Maury, Price is Right, Oprah, etc... then the least you can do is pass a drug test, or maybe take some birth control.

ok...then EVERYONE should have the breath analyzer for alcohol placed in their car if they work and pay taxes here in the united states

all this talk about pot....ooooo....its such a bad drug

"ok marty lets head down to the local bar and get shitfaced....start a couple of fights....then after that....we'll go drive around and run some red lights....its ok though...because its "legal" and we arent smoking pot"

[BadNina]

Oh sh*t now I gotta clean up all this puke... Thanks Nina there went my lunch...

Please Nina ..your comments can set society back quite a ways...

baaaaah baaaaah baaaaah!!!

If supporting the men and women who are fighting for the US sets back society, then its a move in the right direction.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Well let's see... they don't want you smokin' pot and you do knowing this anyway... So is it ok for your boss to watch your personal life more closely to ensure that you don't..? My point is freedome of choice work or no work!



First of all I am not complaining... If war is what people chose then so be it... We are at 6.5 and have 5 to cut...

Secondly, why is it I don't hear anyone b*tch that "THEIR" tax dollars are going to pay for a war.(not to mention other worthless things) Are those differant tax dollars..? "YOU'RE" so called tax dollars are being spent FIRST by your government and the LITTLE of it that gets to the people is what you are talking about... You are b*tching about a fraction of your so called tax dollars because you are all haters... Insensative citizens that are more worried about how their penny is being spent then the health and well being of their own people...

Lastely you WORK because you chose to and are rewarded with a higher standard of living... Don't even think for a second ANY OF YOU looking down on your own citizens that they have the quality of life you do... They don't have much to look forward to and are swimming in their own addictions... To boot their neighbors are more worried about their ficticious dollar then their own people who they spent countless hours looking down on... Most people don't drink and smoke for the f*ck of it... Most do it to get away from reality for a bit... Most of you do it and have an easier life then the people in the projects... What would you do in their shoes..?

Typical thinking of a selfish nations citizens!

wise words from a wise man....this guy just broke down about 75% of our population...so worried about eveyone else...while their kid gets babysat by fox news

people wanna cry about their tax dollars going to welfare....but yet....no crying about their tax dollars going twords a "war on terror" that can NEVER be won?

then again....these people knew what they were voting for 8 years ago....please dont whine about it now.....just sit back and wait until hilary takes office...if you make over $100,000 year and you were crying now....OOOOOOOOOOH MAN I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE TEARS STREAM COME 09 TAX TIME......WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA

[ShamsWoof10]

ok...then EVERYONE should have the breath analyzer for alcohol placed in their car if the work and pay taxes here in the united states

all this talk about pot....ooooo....its such a bad drug

"ok marty lets head down to the local bar and get shitfaced....start a couple of fights....then after that....we'll go drive around and run some red lights....its ok though...because its "legal" and we arent smoking pot"

That's the plan boss... People that work or get paid to show up think others on assistance since they THINK it's their money should be monitored for drug use... The others think if you are going to test us then test them... Well everyone is going to be monitored to the extreme to ensure it doesn't happen with anybody...

All the yahoo's thought the Patriot Act was for towel heads but are just starting to realize it is for EVERYONE!!! WEEF!

wise words from a wise man....this guy just broke down about 75% of our population...so worried about eveyone else...while their kid gets babysat by fox news

I could NOT have said it better myself.. Then when those kids grow up smart people like me wonder why they are so stupid..

If supporting the men and women who are fighting for the US sets back society,.

Ummm nooooooooo.. it's the fact that you actually believe that!!!

[MBENZ]

Ummm I did say "IF" that is the case.. meaning I am asking.. So do you think we "really" went there to change their enviorment..?

Change it from what to what..?

Some semulence of freedom maybe?

[ShamsWoof10]

Some semulence of freedom maybe?

No not maybe!

[Cloak & Dagger]

That's the plan boss... People that work or get paid to show up think others on assistance since they THINK it's their money should be monitored for drug use... The others think if you are going to test us then test them... Well everyone is going to be monitored to the extreme to ensure it doesn't happen with anybody...

All the yahoo's thought the Patriot Act was for towel heads but are just starting to realize it is for EVERYONE!!! WEEF!



I could NOT have said it better myself.. Then when those kids grow up smart people like me wonder why they are so stupid..



Ummm nooooooooo.. it's the fact that you actually believe that!!!

shhh...dont talk about that...fox news dosent talk about that....and they dont show us any dead american bodies....so they dont exist!

[BadNina]

That's the plan boss... People that work or get paid to show up think others on assistance since they THINK it's their money should be monitored for drug use... The others think if you are going to test us then test them... Well everyone is going to be monitored to the extreme to ensure it doesn't happen with anybody...

First of all, testing isn't foolproof. All results can be manipulated...including hair follicle test. We have clients who "cheat" them all the time. Bottom line is that whether you agree or not, illegal drug is that...illegal. Not everyone who gets a check from Uncle Sam is a lazyass. I have handled a lot of Social Security Appeals to know that. And you know what, there are a lot of people out there that I think should get more food stamps than they do because they don't get crap. I know of one lady who is disabled, draws around $650 a month and gets $30 a month in food stamps. That is what she is expected to live on month to month. But then we've had clients who are capable of working but don't and are content to sit back and "draw their check". Oh well...no one said life was fair.

Ummm nooooooooo.. it's the fact that you actually believe that!!!

I do. And I'll be sure to pass along your thanks to all my military pals. I know they will happy to receive them.

[Cloak & Dagger]

First of all, testing isn't foolproof. All results can be manipulated...including hair follicle test. We have clients who "cheat" them all the time. Bottom line is that whether you agree or not, illegal drug is that...illegal. Not everyone who gets a check from Uncle Sam is a lazyass. I have handled a lot of Social Security Appeals to know that. And you know what, there are a lot of people out there that I think should get more food stamps than they do because they don't get crap. I know of one lady who is disabled, draws around $650 a month and gets $30 a month in food stamps. That is what she is expected to live on month to month. But then we've had clients who are capable of working but don't and are content to sit back and "draw their check". Oh well...no one said life was fair.





I do. And I'll be sure to pass along your thanks to all my military pals. I know they will happy to receive them.

sooo...even though marijuana has been PROVEN to help people with chronic illness (I can speak about this first hand because someone close to me has MS and when she smokes it makes her feel better) your logic is "because it is 'illegal' its bad and people should be penalized for smoking it"....regardless if they have a doctors prescription??

and according to your logic its ok to get drunk all day and drink your life away at the bar because its "legal" as long as you pay the tax on that shot of jack daniels...and those people are seen as 'good' people....because the drug that they are doing is "legal"...and yes if you didnt know...alcohol IS a drug

let me ask you this....if the government told you it was ok to eat cloned beef...would you eat it?....lmfao....dont answer that