Message from ThePrick - 2010 BTP: $160k Football Contest

[capitalist pig]

This is my 4th BTP contest, and Ive won something every year, and every year there are a whole bunch of guys who complain for a month before it starts. Its just $50 for crying out loud, if you dont like the format just dont play. It seems to me DSI pretty much set the cash winning rules and SBR is having to play by them. My guess is this is what happens after a mess like last year where no one had to deposit, and everyone just signed up for accounts and didnt fund them. JMO.

later

[SBR Lou]

so we only need $50 in DSI ?

is that EUR or USD ?

fresh funds or existing balance ?

$50 USD. You must make a new deposit to DSI to be real-money eligible for the BTP 2010 contest.

[pavyracer]

cap pig,

I agree with you..everyone should fund their accounts with the $50 to be able to play. But since a back door is left open for free loaders they will take advantage of it. I know you are an honest person and you will play by the rules. But I can see how other posters can double dip. A poster funds his account with $50 cash to be eligible for cash prizes. Then he uses his other 4-5 ghost accounts for free loading points. Do you see now why free loading is bad? There will be watering down of the prizes and there needs to be stricter rules. In fact I would go as far as saying if you can't fund an account with $50 you shouldn't be allowed to play!

[poker_dummy101]

$10,000 and 10,000 points is probably too much to pay out each week

2 categories

$5,000 and 5,000 points would be alot better

If you sign up for the dollar one and dont have money in the acct, then your winnings each week gets divided among the other cash winners until you have 50 again. this way 5k is guaranteed to go out like last year. otherwise, i think about $2,000 will be given out this year even though it says 10k

[caracalla]

$10,000 and 10,000 points is probably too much to pay out each week

2 categories

$5,000 and 5,000 points would be alot better

If you sign up for the dollar one and dont have money in the acct, then your winnings each week gets divided among the other cash winners until you have 50 again. this way 5k is guaranteed to go out like last year. otherwise, i think about $2,000 will be given out this year even though it says 10k

I agree 100%

[caracalla]

And where is the problem depositing $50? only for ghosts!!!

[SBR Lou]

A poster funds his account with $50 cash to be eligible for cash prizes. Then he uses his other 4-5 ghost accounts for free loading points.

I can assure you that our security methods are quite good. And, any poster found guilty of fraud would be permanently banned from contests/points and maybe even SBR all together.

We banned a few accounts in the last week of guys that were otherwise fair posters due to points fraud. It's simply not worth the risk for someone that enjoys hangin' at SBR.

[pavyracer]

$10,000 and 10,000 points is probably too much to pay out each week

2 categories

$5,000 and 5,000 points would be alot better

If you sign up for the dollar one and dont have money in the acct, then your winnings each week gets divided among the other cash winners until you have 50 again. this way 5k is guaranteed to go out like last year. otherwise, i think about $2,000 will be given out this year even though it says 10k

Very good posting!

SBR needs to come up with the ratio of CASH to POINTS awarded each week to make free loading a deterrent. As an example I played at a World Cup contest earlier this summer and all the cash funding players at the book split $10,000 in prizes and if you haven't funded an account you were only eligible for a $50 max freeplay prize.

I'd say leave the $10,000 cash prize as is and make only 1,000 points available to be split amongst free loaders. Then most of them will deposit cash to their accounts.

[capitalist pig]

cap pig,

I agree with you..everyone should fund their accounts with the $50 to be able to play. But since a back door is left open for free loaders they will take advantage of it. I know you are an honest person and you will play by the rules. But I can see how other posters can double dip. A poster funds his account with $50 cash to be eligible for cash prizes. Then he uses his other 4-5 ghost accounts for free loading points. Do you see now why free loading is bad? There will be watering down of the prizes and there needs to be stricter rules. In fact I would go as far as saying if you can't fund an account with $50 you shouldn't be allowed to play!

I would have no issues with people not being eligible to play who dont fund the account, actually that would be the right way to do it. But you know as well as I do, that SBR has to keep posters and if they dont have something for the guys who are points only people, those people will probably leave.

Actually this whole points thing may backfire in SBRs face one day, they have created a monster with it, and now have to keep feeding it.JMO.

later

[tltaylor89]

I think people who fund account should get cash and points.

[JerseyShop101]

I don't think the Prick got the message yet. His video is full of talk about real players. And now his prickly contest has been turned into the exact opposite.

What do you have to say about THAT, Kindergarten Prickster?!

If you listen between 1:15 - 1:50 he is very specific in that only cash funded players will share the loot and free loaders can kiss his ass..

So technically its still a welfare system: Real players get cash. Freeloaders get food stamps (points), lol.

And dependent on the number of welfare recipients that also win in a given week, the real players cash winnings are lowered. Just like real life economics, lol.

Msybe the SBR "taxes" (points rake) should be what pays the freeloaders, and not the cash.

[tltaylor89]

I think people who don't deposit shouldent be allowed in.

[hawk 5]

Pricker, you have a mug made for texting. I beg of you, no more videos.

[eidolon]

I think there should be a $50,000 deposit, that will shake out a lot of the non bettors out there.

[rake922]

There needs to be a better incentive for the cash funding account players.

For example lets say the 1st week there were 10 winners (5 cash funding and 5 free loaders). $5,000 was awarded to cash funding players and 5,000 points to free loaders. Then the $5,000 cash which was not awarded the 1st week needs to be rolled over to the next week. So 2nd week should have $15,000 available for cash funding players. Since every week there will be free loaders watering down the cash prizes then by rolling over the remaining cash prizes the cash players have more cash to win.

It will be an embarrassment for SBR if one week there are 19 free loaders winning and 1 cash funding player beating the prick and he gets only $500.

In a random week, if the prick goes 2-2 and +0.5 units, there are gonna be alot more than 20 winners......

[jonmic]

great video, prick going down bitch

[rake922]

when is week 1

[pavyracer]

In a random week, f the prick goes 2-2 and +0.5 units, there are gonna be alot more than 20 winners......

Which it may actually equate the rewards for free loaders and cash players. You win $10 or 10 points.

[SBR Lou]

when is week 1

Week 1 of the NFL season.

[tltaylor89]

A premium contests deserves a premium entry fee or post up $200 is very fair and it will only reward the loyalists.

[hhsilver]

I wish DSI was friendly toward book to book transfers:

look at these fees I got from chat:

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you: do you have book-to-book transfers for funding an acct?

CS - Alison: Yes that is something you can do..

you: i don't see it on your site ---- what books?

CS - Alison: That is because the option needs to be requested via chat or over the phone..

CS - Alison: We do have that possibility for many Sportsbooks..

you: are there fees involved?

CS - Alison: Yes there are. It depends on the amount that you wish to transfer..

you: do you have it with matchbook or betjamaica

CS - Alison: Allow me to verify that for you..

CS - Alison: Yes that is correct, we have the option for both Matchbook and BetJamaica...

CS - Alison: Though Matchbook isn't available for Diamond Sportsbook customers..

CS - Alison: Meaning from Matchbook to DSI

you: so mb to dsi is not possible?

you: how about betjam to dsi?

CS - Alison: Ok actually, allow me to double check that...

CS - Alison: I apologize, the option wasn't available from Matchbook to DSI, but it now is..

CS - Alison: so you do have that option as well..

CS - Alison: Yes, BetJamaica can be done as well..

you: for a transferTO dsi , is there a fee?

CS - Alison: Yes there is..

CS - Alison: For BetJamaica the fees vary depending on the amount..

CS - Alison: How much do you have in mind?

you: but i see on the your cashier page that "We’ll even cover your deposit fees*."

CS - Alison: Yes that is correct, when it is a deposit.. but in this case a transfer from one account to another is a service that we offer so it is not considered a deposit..

you: i don't understand that --- money coming into a new account from a place unrelated to you seems like a depossit

you: so -- give me some examples of fees --- say, $300 from MB to Dsi. same for Betjam to dsi.

CS - Alison: I see your point... but that is the reason why we do not have that option under the deposit methods. Our company offers the service of transferring from one book to another and for that there will be a fee..

CS - Alison: Sure..

you: and also tell me the fee for same amount going from dsi to MB or betjam

CS - Alison: The minium amount that can be transferred is $500..

you: ok -- fees?

CS - Alison: From MB to Dsi the fees are the following: $500 to $1000 - $200 fee

CS - Alison: $10000 and up - $300 fee

CS - Alison: In the case of Betjamaica, $500 to $5000 - $100 fee

CS - Alison: $5001 to $9999 - $200 fee

CS - Alison: and $10000 and up - $300 fee

you: and same fees for going the other way? from DSI to the others?

CS - Alison: In that case MB offers their own fees for this type of transaction.. as well as Betjamaica..

CS - Alison: For that it's better to verify with them..

you: and you charge no fee for outgoing b-to-b?

CS - Alison: Yes, the fees that I posted are the ones we charge when you transfer from DSI to other books..

CS - Alison: When it comes from other books to us, the other books have their own fees for that..

you: ok -- too expensive -- i won't be joining -- thanks

CS - Alison: You're welcome... it's my pleasure.

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I've transferred among betjam, 5dimes, and MB --- always smooth , never a fee --- haven't done it recently. I assume it's still the same - free.

If DSI is spending all that money to sponsor a contest in order to get new deposits. I would think they would consider a book-to book structure more like the other top books.

[JerseyShop101]

Its been known the transfer fees are ridiculous. I know I was stupid when I transfered 2K for the $300 fee. Something is wrong when its cheaper to withdrawal by ** and then send it yourself to a book.

[goldseeker]

I think there should be a $50,000 deposit, that will shake out a lot of the non bettors out there.

Good idea! I really can't see any difference between $50 and $0. Too much hassle to make deposits since Neteller was gone!

[SBR_John]

LOL!

As Cap Pig said this happens every year, most guys are like hey cool, great! And some whine. But the math is pretty simple. A guy will beat ThePrick 1 on 1 about 5 times out of 15 even if he picks randomly. Those 5 wins will yield him around 500 dollars or if he didnt drop $50 in a DSI account he will win 500 points. Pretty cool either way. The real players win cash and the rest win points, kindof the way it should be.

[tltaylor89]

LOL! As Cap Pig said this happens every year, most guys are like hey cool, great! And some whine. But the math is pretty simple. A guy will beat ThePrick 1 on 1 about 5 times out of 15 even if he picks randomly. Those 5 wins will yield him around 500 dollars or if he didnt drop $50 in a DSI account he will win 500 points. Pretty cool either way. The real players win cash and the rest win points, kindof the way it should be.

John whats the big Beat the Prick prize?

[Brick]

So the marble mouthed Prick says $200 to fund and John says $50 to fund?

How about this guys since this is still in the works.

Everyone who funds an account at DSI with $200 gets in BTP cash pot for the $10,000 weekly payout.

Everyone who doesn't fund an account gets in the BTP points pot for the 10,000 point (or whatever amount SBR wants to award weekly) payout.

In this way you don't mix apples and oranges (or cash and points). The ones who fund accounts with $200 should win the cash and the ones not funding accounts should win points.

beautifully said

[tltaylor89]

Brick SHit House glad to see ya

[Brick]

good to see you too buddy

[pavyracer]

One feature that needs to be explained is how are the free loaders being identified. Will there be an asterisk next to their name in the standings indicating they are just playing for points? When does the $50 have to be deposited? Before the first game starts in Week 1? What if someone deposits the $50 after he went 4-0 so he can earn cash instead of points? There are so many loopholes when you mix the cash funded accounts with the points accounts all in the same pool I can spend 2 days here showing you how ridiculously easy it is to scam the contest.

[BigDaddy]

LOL!

As Cap Pig said this happens every year, most guys are like hey cool, great! And some whine. But the math is pretty simple. A guy will beat ThePrick 1 on 1 about 5 times out of 15 even if he picks randomly. Those 5 wins will yield him around 500 dollars or if he didnt drop $50 in a DSI account he will win 500 points. Pretty cool either way. The real players win cash and the rest win points, kindof the way it should be.

that is fine but when you make comments like this on the 1st page of this thread it leads us posters to believe its a contest for loyal players and not free loaders.

but nothing has changed in this contest and again i can live with that but can't you understand what you said below means?


"Then those 100 will play for $10,000 a week. If you go 4-0 and The Prick is 3-1 that would be some pretty serious cash to cut up.

The sponsors want to focus on real money players so here we go.."

[losturmarbles]

LOL!

As Cap Pig said this happens every year, most guys are like hey cool, great! And some whine. But the math is pretty simple. A guy will beat ThePrick 1 on 1 about 5 times out of 15 even if he picks randomly. Those 5 wins will yield him around 500 dollars or if he didnt drop $50 in a DSI account he will win 500 points. Pretty cool either way. The real players win cash and the rest win points, kindof the way it should be.

The math is pretty simple. more freeloaders=smaller payout.

Why treat everyone like a bunch of dummies and try to sell it as anything different?

[SBR_John]

There is no more freeloaders this year than any year LM. There are however, a few more whiners. LM, don't play this year. The contest rules have not even been announced on the site and your whining. Dude, dont play this year. You and pavy skip this year and go find a better contest and report back right here in this thread.

[losturmarbles]

There is no more freeloaders this year than any year LM. There are however, a few more whiners. LM, don't play this year. The contest rules have not even been announced on the site and your whining. Dude, dont play this year. You and pavy skip this year and go find a better contest and report back right here in this thread.

whiners.

Don't be a fag, John. So this thread isn't on the site?

You're right. There is plenty of better contests out there. So you don't care if they advertise in this thread then?

[ronjon619]

When a person in charge /owner throws down the "if you don't like it, then go away" speech. It might be time to raise the white flag.

[bobbyfk]

How does the contest work? this will be my first year entering.