Message from ThePrick - 2010 BTP: $160k Football Contest

[Dark Horse]

If you listen between 1:15 - 1:50 he is very specific in that only cash funded players will share the loot and free loaders can kiss his ass..

I don't think there's any doubt that it goes against the spirit of gambling. Imagine a poker table with players who bought in, and bystanders raking large quantities of chips off the table. They can't turn those chips into money, however. lol

[tltaylor89]

As a player who funds accounts every year I would love the weekly cash payouts to go to the other fellow cash funding posters who support DSI (the sponsor) with their money. Like Dark Horse said if I was the only cash winner beating all the other free rollers and have my cash price being watered down with points awarded to other posters who did not cash fund the sponsor I would be extremely pissed off.

There is no need to keep the free rollers in the same pool with cash funding players. I'm not saying they shouldn't participate in the contest..they just need to keep their own points prizes separated from the cash funded players pot.

Absolutely

[tltaylor89]

Hell the Prick said if he puts up a 4-0 Week he gets $10,000 I want the same.

[playersonly69]

Guys it isnt that big of a deal with the $50 or $200.


Just make a deposit of $300 and you are covered no matter what. Then make sure and have at least $50 in it each week that you win. It isnt rocket science guys

[ronjon619]

Guys it isnt that big of a deal with the $50 or $200.


Just make a deposit of $300 and you are covered no matter what. Then make sure and have at least $50 in it each week that you win. It isnt rocket science guys

thats not the issue corky.

[kroyrunner89]

BD if there are 5 winners and only 1 has an account, that guy with a DSI account would get $2,000 and the other 4 would get 2,000 points each. Not a bad scoop of points for those without an account. If all 5 have a DSI account then they would get $2,000 each. Thats the way the sponsor wants it.

Not a fan of this at all I know my opinion will have no swing in this whatsoever but honestly it's pretty ridiculous that people who enter the contest for free can still take money out of the hands of those who deposit. If people want to play for free then have two BTP contests, one for them and one for the serious players

[milwaukee mike]

I don't think there's any doubt that it goes against the spirit of gambling. Imagine a poker table with players who bought in, and bystanders raking large quantities of chips off the table. They can't turn those chips into money, however. lol

that is exactly the case
i agree with the majority here that there should be two pools, even if each pool was $2k instead of 10k total it would be a MUCH better deal for those of us funding an account

[SBR_John]

Well let's see. Some would rather win 400 points instead of $400. Smart move. But I'll guarantee ya the real players will be collecting cash, not points. If you go 4-0 we are probably talking about 375 smackers. If you want points instead then by all means don't fund an account.

[TWEETS]

John,

How much do we have to fund, no one has answered this.

[SBR_John]

$50 bucks

[Pegasus]

Does deposited balance of $50 have to be maintained as a threshold throughout the 14 weeks? If we lose it, do we have to redeposit $50 again?

[TWEETS]

There sure is a lot of people bitching about $50, it will weed out a few people that are contest whores. Those that would rather play for points, whatever, I bet they will feel stupid at the end of the season if they have 1000 points instead of 1000 dollars.

[pavyracer]

There sure is a lot of people bitching about $50, it will weed out a few people that are contest whores. Those that would rather play for points, whatever, I bet they will feel stupid at the end of the season if they have 1000 points instead of 1000 dollars.

Actually no single poster in this thread is bitching about the cash the account needs to be funded whether is $50 or $200. The majority of the people who planned to fund their accounts do not like their winnings being water downed by free loaders. The more the free loaders the more the cash prizes are watered down.

[TWEETS]

Actually no single poster in this thread is bitching about the cash the account needs to be funded whether is $50 or $200. The majority of the people who planned to fund their accounts do not like their winnings being water downed by free loaders. The more the free loaders the more the cash prizes are watered down.

I understand your point Pavy, but if they keep it last year, 95% of the people are freeloaders and I'm sure the books figured that out. I bet most people fork out the money and play for $$$

[tltaylor89]

Yeah I really hated sharing $25 with 2000 people/

[losturmarbles]

Well let's see. Some would rather win 400 points instead of $400. Smart move. But I'll guarantee ya the real players will be collecting cash, not points. If you go 4-0 we are probably talking about 375 smackers. If you want points instead then by all means don't fund an account.

So what do the free-rollers have to do to get in on this? Just sign up?

Maybe you guys should host a poker tourney, have anyone that wants to win cash buy-in for $50, and anyone that wants to win points, just sign up. I'm sure it'll be cool when every hand you have 7 guys pushing all-in preflop.
And instead of just having a few hundred serious players to contend with, the real players will have about a thousand landmines to avoid.

Out of a 1000 free-rollers, 62 of them are going to go 4-0 picking coin flips.

[kroyrunner89]

I understand your point Pavy, but if they keep it last year, 95% of the people are freeloaders and I'm sure the books figured that out. I bet most people fork out the money and play for $$$

Right the books have every right to do that, no problems there. I'm annoyed by the fact that those who play the contest anyways without making the deposit will affect my winnings the weeks I do win

[SBR_John]

Well last year everyone split the pot with free loaders. This year will be much better. The pot is doubled as well.

Ifyou dont have an account and you go 4-0 sometime during the year you will win 375 points instead of $375 and that includes factoring in everyone. If a few guys do not set up DSI accounts then all cool with SBR and DSI, they will get points when they win. For the guys who can afford the $50 and can beat ThePrick a few times during the year they will make in the $600 range or more or 600 points if they dont have an account. Totally up to each individual, if he can afford $50 he will make around 10 times that. If he can't or has some other -even hang up then he will get points. Either way it will be a blast.

[losturmarbles]

Will the free loaders be designated as such somehow on the leaderboard? Or at least will their winnings be shown as points instead of $ like the rest?

Are paid posters or mods allowed to enter?
Are their ghost handles allowed to enter?

[Reload]

"No more sucking titty dry"

[tltaylor89]

The Entry requirement should be $200

[SBR_John]

Will the free loaders be designated as such somehow on the leaderboard? Or at least will their winnings be shown as points instead of $ like the rest?

Are paid posters or mods allowed to enter?
Are their ghost handles allowed to enter?

1 Yes
2 Yes
3 No (they can enter in play for free mode including no points or prizes of any kind)
4. Ghosts will not get by DSI's deposit/ withdraw process. SBR, like the past 5 years, will be skilled ghost busters.

[tltaylor89]

You know what would be a cool big prize .What is DSI matches all the posters who gave $50 and award it to the person in 1st place at the end of the season.

[JerseyShop101]

I wish the $10K was guaranteed to be given out each week among the DSI deposit players who beat the prick.

The way it is stated, the more freeloaders that beat the prick, the more cash SBR saves.

I think its wrong that 1 real player can beat the prick by himself, but instead of winning the $10K himself, the prize gets watered down by each freeloader who beats the prick as well.

For example. if its one real player and 19 freeloaders that beat the prick:

The 1 player gets $500 cash
19 freeloaders get 500 points each
SBR save $9500 in cash.

[ronjon619]

I wish the $10K was guaranteed to be given out each week among the DSI deposit players who beat the prick.

The way it is stated, the more freeloaders that beat the prick, the more cash SBR saves.

I think its wrong that 1 real player can beat the prick by himself, but instead of winning the $10K himself, the prize gets watered down by each freeloader who beats the prick as well.

For example. if its one real player and 19 freeloaders that beat the prick:

The 1 player gets $500 cash
19 freeloaders get 500 points each
SBR save $9500 in cash.

[FrozenMAN]

that sounds a lot better after last year's mooch fest that was this contest..

[THEGREAT30]

I totally appreciate this contest and will most likely deposit at the book even though I have never used it, but there are too many loopholes. A freeloader can win 500 pts, go buy a Freeplay wherever and come out just as well or better than a paying contributor. Makes you kinda want to freeload.

[TWEETS]

I totally appreciate this contest and will most likely deposit at the book even though I have never used it, but there are too many loopholes. A freeloader can win 500 pts, go buy a Freeplay wherever and come out just as well or better than a paying contributor. Makes you kinda want to freeload.

500 points will buy you a 100 freeplay at the worst book listed, not near as good as $500 in cash. I really think everyone is getting worked up about this and most of the freeloaders will scrape together $50 to send to DSI. Hell if they want to play for points, let 'em

[THEGREAT30]

500 points will buy you a 100 freeplay at the worst book listed, not near as good as $500 in cash. I really think everyone is getting worked up about this and most of the freeloaders will scrape together $50 to send to DSI. Hell if they want to play for points, let 'em

True, but to a freeloader a $100 FP is brilliant, what more can you ask for when you didn't put a penny up?

[Dark Horse]

Well last year everyone split the pot with free loaders. This year will be much better. The pot is doubled as well.

No way of knowing. If there are three free loaders for every paying player, last year's pot was not doubled, but halved. So in that sense, perhaps you could use the ratio between paying players and free loaders to determine a payout scheme.

[8550937]

whats the rollovers for the cash i think if you go 4-0 and beat the prick that week you should get cash that you can take out especially when yoy make a deposit.

[rookie]

Yeah I really hated sharing $25 with 2000 people/

Since it's only one book and only $50 deposit, there will not be many free loaders. So, get ready for the same sharing arrangement.

[aceking]

so we only need $50 in DSI ?

is that EUR or USD ?

fresh funds or existing balance ?

[pavyracer]

There needs to be a better incentive for the cash funding account players.

For example lets say the 1st week there were 10 winners (5 cash funding and 5 free loaders). $5,000 was awarded to cash funding players and 5,000 points to free loaders. Then the $5,000 cash which was not awarded the 1st week needs to be rolled over to the next week. So 2nd week should have $15,000 available for cash funding players. Since every week there will be free loaders watering down the cash prizes then by rolling over the remaining cash prizes the cash players have more cash to win.

It will be an embarrassment for SBR if one week there are 19 free loaders winning and 1 cash funding player beating the prick and he gets only $500.

[pokernut9999]

Amazing how John acts like he does not understand everyones complaint here

Simple to see everyone is on the same page but him