Warning - Never play Blackjack on Pinnacle

**raiders72001** · 12-22-05, 07:47 PM

I've never played casino blackjack. Do they pay 2-1 on blackjack or lower as many Vegas casinos have changed?

**isetcap** · 12-22-05, 08:24 PM

i've never seen blackjack pay out higher than 3 to 2 except on specialty games.

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My point is you cant say the RNG is not rigged.
Can you make a profit playing at a online casino yes

Now pinnacle i had good runs at its casinos. But i perfer to play at real time gaming casinos. Only a few you can trust to put your money in and get paid

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**tacomax** · 12-22-05, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Taco- Many times you will see that there's a possible positive expectation because they take the standard deviation into consideration. This is why many slots say pays up to 101%. Blackjack is not +even. I guess they didn't teach math at your school.

Raiders, you're getting confused. Maybe you can ask isetcap to be your posting buddy for casino related postings.

Any game of blackjack can be manipulated into a player edge by the tweaking of the rules. However, as you might understand, the casinos ensure that the rules as such that it provides a house advantage - normally in the region of 0.5%. However, the SD BJ variant from Boss Media has a +ve player edge. A house advantage or a player advantage has nothing to do with bet size, standard deviation or the price of fish.

If you can prove to me and prove to isetcap that his figures are wrong and, in fact, the aforementioned Boss Media game doesn't have a player advantage then feel free to post your corresponding data.

I know they have a game of Blackjack with a player advantage.

isetcap knows they have a game of Blackjack with a player advantage.

Even the wizardofodds knows they have a game of Blackjack with a player advantage.

So, prove otherwise raiders. Let's see the extent of your "knowledge".

**tacomax** · 12-22-05, 08:42 PM

And since I'm in a charitable mood, raiders, I'll post the statement from the wizardofodds.

Kudos to Boss Media for offering a game with a player advantage, although not all Boss casinos opt to offer it. The single-deck blackjack game has the same rules as the six-deck except only one deck is used. Also, only one hand may be played at a time. This game has a player edge of 0.11%.

I eagerly await your reply. I'm fully confident that you know more about casino games than someone who has made a career of analyzing casino games and is a Professor of Casino Math at the University of Nevada.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 12:04 AM

Isetcap knows what he's talking about and has original ideas unlike you where you just regurgitate what others say.

What are the rules of Boss Media poker that make it a +EV game? 3-2 BJ, number of decks, double down and split rules.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 12:06 AM

've never seen blackjack pay out higher than 3 to 2 except on specialty games.

I actually meant 3-2 instead of 2-1 but so many Vegas casinos have now switched to 6-5. It keeps getting tougher and tougher for the BJ players.

**BuddyBear** · 12-23-05, 01:23 AM

The first thing I do everytime I open up an account with a sportsbook is disable the casino function.

In a live setting the house has a small advantage...now imagine playing online with very few or no regulations on an offshore sportsbook where you can't see anything.....imagine what the house's edge is now

**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Isetcap knows what he's talking about and has original ideas unlike you where you just regurgitate what others say.

What are the rules of Boss Media poker that make it a +EV game? 3-2 BJ, number of decks, double down and split rules.

Raiders, does your mother still wipe your ass? Go and find the information yourself, come back and then prove your logic that there isn't a game of blackjack with a 0.11% player edge.

I can't wait to see what you have to back this up although I'm sure that this will end up in a typical raiders back-down.

**imgv94** · 12-23-05, 06:48 AM

I am starting 2 think it's legit. I just made 5k on bodog. I started with a $300
bal. Had bal up 2 $475 then had a bad streak and went all the way down 2 a
$21 bal. Turned that $21 into $5,000. It was being very fair. I would double
down on 9,10,11 won almost every time. I've won everytime I have played
blackjack anywhere except Las Vegas on the strip,Downtown I've won.So
with me winning 5k prove it's legit?? I think so. I was on a roll. To me
the key is to bet big when you win and small when you lose. It's gotta
be legit. Well at least bodog's is.

**noyb** · 12-23-05, 08:41 AM

i don't get why you guys play at online casino's at all... whether it is rigged or it is not, fact is, like someone said, in the long term (with the exception of maybe card-counters) you will always lose.
I can see the high of losing money in a reallife casino in a nice atmosphere, i can't see the high of losing money at night alone behind your pc.

For me the biggest mystery is there are apparently so much people who play at online casino's to make it wortwhile to offer them, but i guess there are.

**isetcap** · 12-23-05, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by noyb

i don't get why you guys play at online casino's at all... whether it is rigged or it is not, fact is, like someone said, in the long term (with the exception of maybe card-counters) you will always lose.

take a day off from work and read the entire thread.

bottom line is it's MUCH easier to make money in casinos online than any land casino.

but your right, it sure is more fun to see the cuties in the real casinos.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 12:24 PM

Go and find the information yourself, come back and then prove your logic that there isn't a game of blackjack with a 0.11% player edge.

I have the information. The onus is on you to prove that it's players advantage. No one is going to take your word after you told all that Carib was down for 9 hours when it was 30 minutes. I'm willing to put up $1000 against you. That's proof enough.

**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

I have the information. The onus is on you to prove that it's players advantage. No one is going to take your word after you told all that Carib was down for 9 hours when it was 30 minutes. I'm willing to put up $1000 against you. That's proof enough.

Raiders, you've been challenged to prove your point but again you're backing down.

I'll help you again. Here's the quote from the wizardofodds. Remember he's a professor of Casino Math at the University of Nevada.

Originally posted by wizardofodds

Kudos to Boss Media for offering a game with a player advantage, although not all Boss casinos opt to offer it. The single-deck blackjack game has the same rules as the six-deck except only one deck is used. Also, only one hand may be played at a time. This game has a player edge of 0.11%. To add 0.03% to the player edge follow my basic strategy exceptions.

Also, you might want to try putting the game rules into the blackjack strategy engine where you can calculate the edge of any variation of blackjack.

Basic Blackjack Strategy Engine - Generate Charts for 1-8 Decks

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

Founded in 1998, our basic blackjack strategy engine generates optimal strategy charts for 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 decks. Allows custom filters for variations too

You'll see that it shows a player edge (or a negative house edge) of 0.15% for perfect play (which is basic strategy plus utilising the WOO basic strategy exceptions).

Now post the proof that the online gamers worldwide, including a professor of Casino Math, have been fooled. If you want, I can arrange for Koko the Gorilla to explain this to you.

I won't hold out any hope for it, though. This is going to be another raiders backdown - posting ludicrous information without a shred of proof.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 01:05 PM

It'll cost you $1000 for the proof. Reshuffle after every hand. No bonuses of any kind. Profit/Loss determined by black jack game only. Time to put up or is this another Carib lie?

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 01:09 PM

For the chart that you just posted

Estimated House Edge for these rules: 0.20%

**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 01:14 PM

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**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 01:16 PM

Raiders, post the proof or I'll consider it yet another backdown. I've posted the statistical proof for free. I'm not paying someone $1000 when they think that the martingale system is a proven winner. Have a read through this old thread and see the schoolboy errors you you made last time you thought you were a casino guru.

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http://forum.sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=1694

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Some come one raiders. Put up or shut up.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 01:22 PM

Martingale system LMAO. I leave that to clowns like you that also believe Blackjack is +ev. I let Dozer hold the $1000 for my last bet and will do it again. Are you in or out? If you are not in then you are wasting my time which is why I put you in Friday's assclownery thread.

**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 01:25 PM

You're not backing up your statement with any proof, you've backed down yet again.

I'll arrange for Koko the Gorilla to pay you a visit.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 01:29 PM

Backing a statement with cash means a lot more than your talk. You have to pay for lessons. They aren't free. Now run away little boy as you aren't willing to bet.

**isetcap** · 12-23-05, 01:33 PM

I can't even follow what the bet is about. If it is about whether or not there is a blackjack game whose rules give the player an edge; evidence clearly supports the fact that there is. No special system or card counting is required or even slightly helpful in order to have the edge. All one has to do is play the chart.

**tacomax** · 12-23-05, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by isetcap

I can't even follow what the bet is about. If it is about whether or not there is a blackjack game whose rules give the player an edge; evidence clearly supports the fact that there is. No special system or card counting is required or even slightly helpful in order to have the edge. All one has to do is play the chart.

I know there's a blackjack game whose rules give the player an edge. You know there's a blackjack game whose rules give the player an edge. The wizardofodds knows there's a blackjack game whose rules give the player an edge. However, raiders wants me to send him $1000 for the priviledge of "proving" that we're all wrong.

Raiders is an internet tout. He makes his money by fleecing players. He touts scam books and then is involved in the scam yet further by ensuring he leaves with his payments intact while the owner runs off with the money.

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 01:44 PM

Now that's funny. I want you to send the money to me. It would cut out the middle man. Send it to Dozer and we have a bet. Otherwise I'm through with this thread and your BS. How many hours was Carib down for? :+eyes-8+:

**raiders72001** · 12-23-05, 02:19 PM

I know that Taco won't put up the money.......... At one time there was a game using perfect strategy that was beatable but that game and rules are no longer available.

**RamblinRoyce** · 12-23-05, 07:37 PM

Ok, this thread has officially devolved into hearsay...so let's nip it in the bud. ramblinRoyce posted a defaming thread making audacious statements about the legitimacy of one of the most respected SPORTSBOOKS online. Isetcap knows what he's talking about, but takes himself a bit seriously, which implies he's much older than Raiders or Taco. Of course, this can be deduced by the nicknames chosen... and definitely deduced by the pissing contest Raider - Taco have ensued. I've lost track of what either of you are arguing about, but i think it's about who has lesser money...cuz you both seem to be losing gamblers in the long run. Relax, be patient, learn discipline and restraint, then you might win.

YOU ALL SUCK!

**isetcap** · 12-23-05, 08:24 PM

ATTACK! ATTACK!

I love this guy.

**imgv94** · 12-23-05, 08:35 PM

I agree.What are Taco and Raiders arguing about? If there is a edge in
blackjack? That question could be argued til the end of time,You can never
know for sure no matter where you go. So I think the discussion should
just end and everyone should have there mind on this weekends NFL games
and the college football bowl games. BJ means blowjob not blackjack LOL!!

**BuddyBear** · 01-04-06, 02:38 PM

yeah pinnacle's casino is definitely rigged :an_roll_l

This has to be the stupidest thread I've ever read....that's what happens when people lose a large sum of money they blame everything on others and don't accept responsibility for their own decisions.

You have to accept responsibility Ramblin

**RamblinRoyce** · 01-05-06, 03:43 AM

Responsibility? what? it's all god's will! Don't you know that? That's why the horns won!

**707782** · 01-21-06, 03:05 AM

Bodog casino, especially blackjack gets my first post on this forum:

Avoid Bodog casino unless you want to lose all your money. It's rediculous, when you hit, you bust; when you stay, then house win.

**Illusion** · 01-21-06, 03:12 AM

That's why I do not play online. Welcome to SBR by the way.

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 03:16 AM

I swear I won 5k on Blackjack @ Bodog. I lost 300 out of 320 hands
after that. Lucky I left up 1,000. But I have lost $50-60 here and
there I now swear never to play at Bodog.

**isetcap** · 01-21-06, 03:17 AM

Oh Illusion, based on this guy's first post I'm not sure we want to welcome him.

**imgv94** · 01-21-06, 03:22 AM

I welcome him. WELCOME.. I wanna see 12 posts by Sun O.k 876 5309

or 707?