Warning - Never play Blackjack on Pinnacle

[RamblinRoyce]

I recently lost a large sum of money on Pinnacle playing BlackJack. It may appear i'm just ranting after losing money, but i'm ok with it. I've lost plenty of money before. The point is, after playing several hundreds of hands on Pinnacle, the software was weighted towards the house...beyond the typical house odds. It could have been a bad luck streak, but I am very wary of the BlackJack Software on Pinnacle. I've played BlackJack at about 50 casinos, and Pinnacle strikes me as questionable.

CRIS, however, is reasonable and has fair odds.

Just an opinion.

[Aces]

Cris has fair odds I've lost my butt at Cris.

Dont play Black Jack anywhere anytime for any amount unless there's girls in short skirts bringing you drinks and pit bosses giving you rooms and meal comps.

[tacomax]

Can you post details (hands played, total units lost) of your play?

[Dead Money]

Do not quote me on this but I think that most of the casinos that sportsbooks have are not regulated or reviewed.

I'm not saying they are cheating but there are no checks and balances.

Two god casinos for playing blackjack are Intercasino and William Hill.
I have played at most of the online casinos and those two are very fair.

I actually feel like I have a fightng chance with those guys, and have done very well there in the last few months.

[juuso]

Well, i tried blackjack at cris with the minimum stake and lost all 6 hands. I play a little at online casinos with clearing up their sign-up bonuses with video poker and casino war or preferably blackjack if it's allowed. I'm atleast 300% on the plus. It seems to me most books don't have really good casino software comparing to some of the online casinos. I prefer microgaming software and haven't seen any bookie except ladbrokes using it. Haven't tried pinnacles casino, but read it should have pretty low house edge on blackjack. Hard to say anything conclusive based on few hundred hands. The games can be very streaky online.

[bigboydan]

these online casinos should be regulated in a better fashion than what they are. i mean, how many times do people have to ram there head into a brick wall, before they realize it hurts. well, that theroy goes for all these online casinos as well.

[juuso]

All the major software platforms like Microgaming, Cryptologic, Rtg, Playtech and such do deal a fair game and on many games the house edge is lower than on real casinos. Ofcourse the games have a negative expectancy because of the house edge, but bonus whoring in casinos can be extremely profitable if you're satisfied with winning a hundred or two at a time. The trick is to find honest and trustworthy casinos which have doable bonus terms. Casinomeisters page is good starting point. The 'accredited casinos' list is a good read for those looking to try a casino. Too bad many casinos just keep tightening the wagering requirements on bonuses.

Most casinos licensed in Gibraltar or Kahnawake should be fairly safe. Can't say the same about Costa Rica or even Antigua. A great care should be taken when deciding where to play.

[DamianDunlap]

No body can say any major software provider deals a fair game. No true indepentent company checks the rng out.

[isetcap]

Are you kidding me?!? Are you seriously kidding me?

Do you really think a book as rock solid as pinnacle would run casino software that somehow cheats?! Come on people. That is mindless. Their casino represents pennies to their action. It is an absolute certainty that their bj game is fair. Just because you play a few hundred hands and go down double digit units don't start opining that the game is not fair. Take a statistics class and learn about standard deviation. Once I lost 23 hands of Blackjack at a Microgaming casino utilizing perfect strategy and I never once considered that the casino might be cheating. In fact, I finished the session ahead. The casinos that cheat go out of business. Their advantage is built in so why would they want to cheat? Think about it.

Thanks for coming through with an intelligent response Juuso. Everyone else has apparently had their heads stuck in the books for too long.

[isetcap]

It's called a bad session.

The point is, after playing several hundreds of hands on Pinnacle, the software was weighted towards the house...beyond the typical house odds.

[juuso]

Yeah, completely agree with you isetcap. Even the simplest game can have huge deviance to their mathematical payout % in a session involving few hudred hands.

I just played a week ago at Casino Classic (microgaming)

They have a promotion of 500 $/£/€ free for an hour to try the games. You must make minimum of 100 bets during the hour with limited bet sizes. Anything you make up to 200 over the original 500 can be transferred to your real account with only a 20 deposit.

I deposited 20, got 220 to play with a 15x rollover (30x videopoker, 60x blackjack)
Because of the rollover restrictions i went to play casino war. Autoplayed atleast 2600 with a 1 euro bet. And played a few 50 and even 100 hands. Finished at 431 Euros. Not bad for a game with a house edge of about 2%. Sure looked like fair dealing. I usually don't play this risky, but considering it was only a 20 deposit i decided to risk a little with those 100 and 50 hands.

This promo can be found on most casino message boards. Needs an affiliate link to get it as it's not on their main page. But it is easy profit for sure if one can get lucky with the 500 freeplay hour. I got my withdrawal to my moneybookers account in 3 business days with no hassles.

[isetcap]

Thanks, Juuso. I've had an account with Classic for about 3 months now. Actually, I have accounts with just about all Microgaming casinos I can find but I really love the ones in the Casino Rewards group. They really take care of big players. I just checked my VIP account and the running total on bonus money they have given me is over $21,000. I really love their big limits...up to 2000 a hand on Vegas Strip BJ.

Casino Rewards = BJ Ballroom, Golden Tiger, Lucky Emperor, Strike It Lucky, Casino Classic, Virtual City, Zodiac, Yukon Gold, etc.

[LGBoots]

Well I played Baccarat a few days ago at Coral Casino & was 42 units down after 120 hands

But the software is fair there as I have had times when it has gone the other way as well.

It's just 'variance' at work & im sure there is no way Pin's Casino is 'rigged'

[pags11]

stories like these make me happy I have now disabled the casino option on all of my accounts...

[imgv94]

Alert Everyone!!! DO NOT PLAY ONLINE CASINOS!! I read somewhere that software
company can adjust odds in any of the casino games. Also
If Sportsbook had a bad day they can adjust the odds to
make up for it!! Please No one play any of these casino
games. They are rigged!!

[HAPPY BOY]

I agree I USED to play at on-line casinos (heres advice from uncle happy boy have your book service remove casino access for your own good) ,anyways how many times can you can blackjack at the same time the dealer does. All you cats that have played on-line casino know what I mean. right or wrong?

[isetcap]

Yeah i also read somewhere that the backside of a coat closet led to a mystical fairytale world enshrouded in eternal winter.

Look out for any casino that uses software from this vendor:

http://www.start-your-casino.com/

or
Netgaming

As you would with sportsbooks, do your research before you deposit into any casino. There are many that deal fair games and a savvy player can make significant money. Two resources I have found biblical are The Wizard of Odds and CasinoMeister.

[isetcap]

Well, both the player and the dealer have roughly the same statistical chance to hit BJ in each given hand, and each individual has roughly a 1/21 opportunity. That dictates a level of occurence around 1 time for every 441 hands dealt.

If you feel it happens more often than that, then play about 441,000 hands and wonder in amazement as it happens around 1000 times, or you could simply realize that the most memorable hands are always the bad beats and that's why you think it happens more often than it should.

anyways how many times can you can blackjack at the same time the dealer does. All you cats that have played on-line casino know what I mean. right or wrong?

[imgv94]

I agree I USED to play at on-line casinos (heres advice from uncle happy boy have your book service remove casino access for your own good) ,anyways how many times can you can blackjack at the same time the dealer does. All you cats that have played on-line casino know what I mean. right or wrong?

So true!! Listen to this, One time started with a casino
balance of $30,played craps my favorite game. by far the
best game in the casino if you understand all the rules.got
my balance up to $970 same night,gave back $400 still
logged out with $570.Next day Thought I was going to make
a living playin craps on the computer so i played again and
got into the unbelieveable cold streak and lost every dime.
I wasn't playing bad the thing was rigged. well made 2
more deposits into that casino trying to get my $ back
lost my ass!! I will never again play at any of these casinos.

[isetcap]

Oh man real players love how you guys keep them paid! A cold streak at craps?! That's a first. Had to be rigged. Whenever I'm playing max odds (the only way to correctly play craps if you want to minimize the house edge), I always experience a great deal of consistency, which is quite surprising considering the very nature of the bet is paying you off for accepting an odds factor proportional amount of deviation risk.

Simply stated craps is one of the streakiest games in the casino because a good player is accepting huge deviation swings in an effort to create a large win. Some people just aren't tall enough to ride the rollercoaster.

[imgv94]

Oh man real players love how you guys keep them paid! A cold streak at craps?! That's a first. Had to be rigged. Whenever I'm playing max odds (the only way to correctly play craps if you want to minimize the house edge), I always experience a great deal of consistency, which is quite surprising considering the very nature of the bet is paying you off for accepting an odds factor proportional amount of deviation risk.

Simply stated craps is one of the streakiest games in the casino because a good player is accepting huge deviation swings in an effort to create a large win. Some people just aren't tall enough to ride the rollercoaster.

There's a difference between fact and opinion. what
your saying is opinion. What i am saying is fact!! Don't
try to talk like I don't know whats up with craps. I've
played craps everywhere I know that game and I
win almost everytime I play in Vegas. The games are
rigged! Case closed. I wish I could find that article I read
that said the casino software companies advertise
that they can guarantee profit and you can adjust
the house's edge. I know all the in's and out's of the
game. And there was some unbelievable shit going on.
If you wanna sound like a genius cause u have won
on the sportsbook casino then go right ahead. Cause
I don't believe u. If you did It's luck.

[isetcap]

IMG...anytime anybody wins at a casino game, it is luck. The only exception to this is an individual who effectively counts cards while playing Blackjack. Craps has NO skill element involved and you are playing against the house, therefore if you are consistently winning then you are consistently lucky. In any casino you have ever visited, there was always a house edge you were working against and it was probably between 1 and 2 percent if you were playing using optimum strategy. That doesn't mean they are cheating. They don't need to cheat to make money and neither do the online casinos. Exactly the same concept is applied. They give you an opportunity to win, but the price you pay is 1-2% every time you roll the dice. That's not opinion, that's fact.

[isetcap]

if you're on the wrong side of a spread do you cry that the lines were rigged against you?

[isetcap]

don't play at pinnacle...i took minn-3 and pinnacle took all my money. the game was rigged

[RamblinRoyce]

Wow... a hot and never-ending debatable topic. It was very likely a bad session and I admit that i could have had a very bad streak. But you also have to admit, that it is likely a casino can easily adjust their odds in the software to acquire monies. There are no checks and balances. With this knowledge, it really is my fault for wagering so much and i was under the umbrella of Trust for Pinnacle. I figuered I could trust their casino and their software and then went on a terribly bad streak.

maybe it was bad luck, maybe Pinnacle lost a huge amount of money on the Baltimore game to some high stakes players and got a lot of it back from the unfortunate souls who played blackjack on Sunday night after the game...we'll never know. But if i were running an online sportsbook not regulated by government or by another entity, and lost a million bucks to some high stakes gamblers on an NFL game, then i admit i'd tweak the blackjack software to compensate for those losses. Cuz hey, who is gonna know? All those BlackJack players who lost -37 hands overall out of 48 hands played will never talk to each other, will never know they are ones of hundreds losing, and will never be able to prove it. We'll just tell them it was a 'bad streak'...

So in the end, it was my fault for trusting a casino as any casino is not really trustworthy...as well as any gambler. and it was my fault for assuming such a bad streak would not happen, as they do happen.

and that minnesota game was rigged, and i bet pinnacle had a hand in it...

[RamblinRoyce]

Ok...I gave Pinnacle another chance and i hate to admit it, but lost another good chunk of change. So I am on a really bad streak. But let's just say I have seen Pinnacle get an unreasonable amount of tens and aces. Maybe it's just bad luck, but then i also saw many great hands formed under conditions in which they should have busted. Maybe it's just really bad luck in my case, or maybe they have weighted the software in their favor... in either case, you can request that they block access to the Casino for your account. I requested this promptly after another bad session. I'd recommend this to all, but be warned that Pinnacle states that blocking access to the Casino for your account is irreversible...which seems unlikely to me because if they block your account, they can unblock your account... questionable...it's not as if by unblocking your account, Pinnacle is gonna lose money since you can play at their casino...cuz Their Casino is RIGGED.

Just an opinion.

[HAPPY BOY]

don't play at pinnacle...i took minn-3 and pinnacle took all my money. the game was rigged

Hey Einstein, bottom line is if the daeler is not in front of you while you watch his sorry ass shuffle thru the cigarette smoke while a fat pitt boss looks at you in his one time used to fit sear sucker suit and even then I look at them cross eyed, I wouldn't trust a on line casino as far as I can throw the fat pitt boss CASE CLOSED!

[RamblinRoyce]

I agree I USED to play at on-line casinos

(heres advice from uncle happy boy have your book service remove casino access for your own good)

,anyways how many times can you can blackjack at the same time the dealer does. All you cats that have played on-line casino know what I mean. right or wrong?

Yup - Agreed Happy Boy. Thus I blocked Casino access from my account.

[HAPPY BOY]

Yup - Agreed Happy Boy. Thus I blocked Casino access from my account.

Did it too it avoids the stupid temptation after 4 glasses of scotch while your doing nothing.

[tacomax]

The games are rigged! Case closed.

I've played hundreds of thousands of hands of blackjack at the major software providers and my results show that they are spot on with regard to payout.

You play a few games of craps, lose your money and declare that all casino games are rigged.

[isetcap]

Beautifully stated taco. As far as Pinnacle goes, someone would have to describe ten thousand losing sessions in a row before I would even slightly flinch in my trust for them. Independant audited payout percentages verify the authenticity of the games for major software providers, and to even begin to think that Pinnacle tries to cover bad action by fixing their casino is to have absolutely no idea how miniscule their casino dollars are in comparison to their book action.

[DamianDunlap]

Man micro starting off rigged, until it build it bank roll up, playtec as well. Rigged. I have won alot of money playing online black jack, but i been around long enough to know when to quit.
People always say cause they have alot of money, its a ok. Bull crap. Look at Eron.
There no true independant audits if you think that u a fool. Most of the companies pay for these so called Independant auditors to keep hush or show things in there favor.

Good example:http://www.mapau.com/fairgaming.asp

In addition to that, we have asked several leading international organizations such as the Online Players Association to review our casino systems. Millions of game rounds have been run and no irregularity in the game results has been detected. All the results were 100% random. To achieve this, we use a sophisticated Random Number Generator, which resides on a separate piece of hardware connected to the casino’s servers.

out right lie

[DamianDunlap]

For anyone to say any online casino is on the up and up is crazy, until there a real trusted group testing the RNG.
Anytime you put your money into a online casino its a real gamble

[isetcap]

I've placed millions of dollars worth of wagers on various blackjack tables online over the last 7 years, and I have documented results clearly showing that overall the house has made 0.5% on my action. I don't need anyone to tell me something I can see myself based on my own records. You can call it all a lie and be paranoid if you like, but a mountain of evidence can be produced by many sources that would suggest you are wrong. Not only that, common sense would suggest you are wrong.

[imgv94]

I've played hundreds of thousands of hands of blackjack at the major software providers and my results show that they are spot on with regard to payout.

You play a few games of craps, lose your money and declare that all casino games are rigged.

Who the hell are you? Captain Save A Casino? This isn't
the 1st time u came in on one of my conversations 2
talk some shit. Are you another envious person??
Are you envious cuz I've had picked more winners in
2 weeks than you picked in your lifetime? A few games
of craps you say??? Ignorant!! Ladies and Gentlemen
This is a perfect case of someone trying to redeem
themselves in a cheap way. After having a terrible record
picking sporting events this cpt savaboguscasino wants
2 make himself look smart for playing 100,000+ hands
of online blackjack and supposedly,key word supposedly
won.The games are rigged. You can come on here
and say anything,you can say you have never lost a
hand of blackjack.Doesn't mean I am going 2 believe u.
Look at my record compared to yours. Don't ever quote anything I say again.Keep out of my conversations.

P.S
Go get some vagasil-cause it looks like you
have too much cheese on your taco!!!! LOL!!!!!