very plausible College Football Playoff chaos scenario next weekend

Da Manster! · 12-02-23, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

Texas and Alabama bring more eyes to the TV. It sucks for FSU, but there is no way they are going to keep an SEC team out, and lose higher ratings with an unappealing FSU team. It sucks for the Seminole kids but that is actually the reality. NCAA doesn't want another ratings killer like TCU or like their SDSU/UConn Basketball championship.

solid points and definitely can't argue with those sentiments. it's all about the ratings and money, not about equity and who's more deserving!

coop-dog · 12-02-23, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

sec is the glamor conference won over half the titles what, the last 4 need 1

I think texas get in might seee bama and georgia out

Mr KLC · 12-02-23, 08:19 PM

When the weekend is over, take a look at the ratings of all Big 5 conference games. ACC will be dead last by a mile even though they have a prime time game, and one of the conference is officially gone after this year. That tells you all you need to know as to why an undefeated FSU will not get in.

Da Manster! · 12-02-23, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

They beat two top-12 teams lol FSU didn’t beat anyone in the top 12.

Rankings are overinflated, overhyped, and overrated. we all know the biased and prejudice factors that go into them. furthermore, the Noles whooped up on LSU and Florida. Last time I checked both of those teams were in the SEC. again if my math is correct, that makes the Noles 2 - 0 against the vaunted and mighty SEC!

navyblue81 · 12-02-23, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

Lol, Missouri and Miss? Big deal. Clemson and LSU are every bit as good or better than those two. Rankings are meaningless.

Big deal? We use these rankings as a basis for our final 4 lol. How can you say big deal? If the committee says they're in the top-12 and LSU is not, then we have to take that seriously. And FSU actually got outplayed by Clemson, and Clemson stinks.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by coop-dog

I think texas get in might seee bama and georgia out

big ratings drop if no sec team

Mr KLC · 12-02-23, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

Rankings are overinflated, overhyped, and overrated. we all know the biased and prejudice factors that go into them. furthermore, the Noles whooped up on LSU and Florida. Last time I checked both of those teams were in the SEC. again if my math is correct, that makes the Noles 2 - 0 against the vaunted and mighty SEC!

I'll give you LSU, but come on now, Florida is not even bowl eligible this year.

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

Big deal? We use these rankings as a basis for our final 4 lol. How can you say big deal? If the committee says they're in the top-12 and LSU is not, then we have to take that seriously. And FSU actually got outplayed by Clemson.

Yeah the top 4 matter. When you're talking about the 12th ranked team, for instance, there's really no hard lines.

On a neutral field Clemson would be favored over Missouri and LSU over Mississippi. That's all you need to know.

Da Manster! · 12-02-23, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Mr KLC

I'll give you LSU, but come on now, Florida is not even bowl eligible this year.

Yes, but they are from the almighty, all powerful SEC right? (see what I did there?)...that was my whole point! you go 2 - 0 against the SEC, you proved yourself against the best of the best, the creme dela creme, the mecca of college football! (just a wee bit of sarcasm there)

navyblue81 · 12-02-23, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

Yeah the top 4 matter. When you're talking about the 12th ranked team, for instance, there's really no hard lines.

On a neutral field Clemson would be favored over Missouri and LSU over Mississippi. That's all you need to know.

Well, next year they do matter haha.

I just don't think FSU a very good team. Watched them a lot this year. Saw them barely beat BC. Struggled vs. Pitt. Clemson outplayed them. Gators woulda beat them if they had a coach who knew how to discipline their team. And now they have a third string qb. I just find it a joke they're going to be in the top 4 if they win tonight. The ACC is about as comparable to the MAC this year.

Mr KLC · 12-02-23, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Da Manster!

Yes, but they are from the almighty, all powerful SEC right? (see what I did there?)...that was my whole point! you go 2 - 0 against the SEC, you proved yourself against the best of the best, the creme dela creme, the mecca of college football! (just a wee bit of sarcasm there)

I get where you went with that.

getaloadoffatso · 12-02-23, 08:37 PM

I miss the old BCS days when the committee would somehow find a way to put a horrible Notre Dame team in and then they would get beat by 100 pts

navyblue81 · 12-02-23, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by getaloadoffatso

I miss the old BCS days when the committee would somehow find a way to put a horrible Notre Dame team in and then they would get beat by 100 pts

Huh? ND only got into BCS final once in like 20 years of the system. Way to show your bias.

navyblue81 · 12-02-23, 08:53 PM

FSU vs. Louisville may be the ugliest game I've seen in a long time. This feels like I'm watching Umass vs. Southern Miss.

Mr KLC · 12-02-23, 08:55 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Acc championship game is depressing to watch lol 9 3 and outs one turn over on downs just now starting the second quarter! �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ass?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#A ss</a></p>— Hogwild (@Hogwild_YT) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hogwild_YT/status/1731129203863539976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">if you're a prayer warrior, the ACC QBs could use it.</p>— Candace Cooper (@CandaceDCooper) <a href="https://twitter.com/CandaceDCooper/status/1731129203511198076?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

FSU vs. Louisville may be the ugliest game I've seen in a long time. This feels like I'm watching Umass vs. Southern Miss.

Yeah but only one of the two teams had to trot out a true freshman at quarterback.

getaloadoffatso · 12-02-23, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

Huh? ND only got into BCS final once in like 20 years of the system. Way to show your bias.

Huh????
The BCS bowls weren't all for the national championship, and they were coveted because they were high paying New Years Day games

Notre Dame was selected 3 times for lesser games when most thought they didn't deserve it and got blown out every time

Then they went to the title game on a weak schedule and got blown off the field

Then after it switched to the CFP they have played in 4-5 big 6 NYs day games and lost all of them

Their current BCS/Big 6 bowl streak is 0-8

Tell me you know nothing about college football without telling me you know nothing about college football

Mr KLC · 12-02-23, 09:01 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder if these guys are at the Louisville Florida State ACC title game today instead of Iowa Michigan. <a href="https://t.co/qKlUmxcw0o">pic.twitter.com/qKlUmxcw0o</a></p>— Andrew Bensch (@BenchWarmerView) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenchWarmerView/status/1731129198746702186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >December 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

navyblue81 · 12-02-23, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by getaloadoffatso

Huh????
The BCS bowls weren't all for the national championship, and they were coveted because they were high paying New Years Day games

Notre Dame was selected 3 times for lesser games when most thought they didn't deserve it and got blown out every time

Then they went to the title game on a weak schedule and got blown off the field

Then after it switched to the CFP they have played in 4-5 big 6 NYs day games and lost all of them

Their current BCS/Big 6 bowl streak is 0-8

Tell me you know nothing about college football without telling me you know nothing about college football

Okay, so we're talking about meaningless BCS bowls? Who the frick cares about those? Thought you were talking about national title games, which is what people care about.

Again, why you so obsessed with Notre Dame dude? You have an ex-girlfriend that cheated on you or something that goes there? People and their anti-ND bias. I don't get it.

But hey, way to be a dick. Don't like a post, so bash someone's football knowledge. Real classy. Asshole.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 09:17 PM

forget rankings. i give a choice of 4 teams

michigan, washington, fla st, texas

or

ohio st, georgia, bama, oregon

who you taking.

enough said

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 09:20 PM

My only stake in the ACC championship game right now is the Under so I'm sitting pretty in that regard, but at this point I'd love to see Florida State win and crash the CFP party just because I can already tell there's gonna be line value galore against whomever they face.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 09:20 PM

if they have michigan texas fla st wash

then 2 non bcs games will be bigger ratings than the bcs games

getaloadoffatso · 12-02-23, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by navyblue81

Okay, so we're talking about meaningless BCS bowls? Who the frick cares about those? Thought you were talking about national title games, which is what people care about.

Again, why you so obsessed with Notre Dame dude? You have an ex-girlfriend that cheated on you or something that goes there? People and their anti-ND bias. I don't get it.

But hey, way to be a dick. Don't like a post, so bash someone's football knowledge. Real classy. Asshole.

So you can't read and comprehend a simple post, then bust my balls for it, and then when I factually correct you, somehow I become the bad guy

Fire up another one

budwiser · 12-02-23, 09:43 PM

fla st winning 3 0 won't do it. as i said they gotta win by 10+ and show some offense

otherwise i see michigan Washington texas bama. maybe the best 2 teams in the country ga and ohio st out

swordsandtequila · 12-02-23, 09:47 PM

Since when did tv ratings matter to anyone but tv executives? Unless most of you work for the networks, fuk 'em. Merit should be the only consideration, that's why most sports, i.e. all but Division 1 Football have a playoff. Fuk the committee, fuk the networks, fuk opinions. Play the games, you lose you sit. What you do on the field is the only true barometer. Otherwise just take a vote and call it a day.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 09:56 PM

ratings don't matter?

of course they matter.

behind the scenes to a lot of important people that is ALL that matters

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

fla st winning 3 0 won't do it. as i said they gotta win by 10+ and show some offense

otherwise i see michigan Washington texas bama. maybe the best 2 teams in the country ga and ohio st out

It was never going to be a "pretty" win once Rodemaker was ruled out. They are clearly limited with a true frosh under center. But you roll this defense out there and Rodemaker, with a month of 1st team reps under his belt, and the Noles are as good as the next team.

Why does Michigan get a pass? Does 10-0 over Iowa at halftime get your motor humming? Without the punt return it'd be 3-0, same score as the ACC. What's Michigan's excuse?

budwiser · 12-02-23, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Eddy Munny

It was never going to be a "pretty" win once Rodemaker was ruled out. They are clearly limited with a true frosh under center. But you roll this defense out there and Rodemaker, with a month of 1st team reps under his belt, and the Noles are as good as the next team.

Why does Michigan get a pass? Does 10-0 over Iowa at halftime get your motor humming? Without the punt return it'd be 3-0, same score as the ACC. What's Michigan's excuse?

margin of victory

sagarin ratings michigan 1 fla st 12

sagarin doesn't care about anything but numbers

budwiser · 12-02-23, 10:10 PM

i have nothing against fla st

if they get in or not i got a grand total of $0 on it

but it's becoming clear 3 0 won't do it

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

margin of victory

sagarin ratings michigan 1 fla st 12

sagarin doesn't care about anything but numbers

You're the only one obsessed with the Sagarin ratings.

I already dismissed your "margin of victory" position and you quietly tucked your tail, now you revert back to it? Well I guess I'll revert back to my original response. Unless you can explain that away I don't know what it even means to you.

Michigan didn't play Florida State nor do they have any common opponents.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 10:13 PM

and that brings up a great point

to many professionals, for power ratings margin of victory is more important than wins and losses

swordsandtequila · 12-02-23, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by budwiser

ratings don't matter?

of course they matter.

behind the scenes to a lot of important people that is ALL that matters

My point is they shouldn't matter, least not to you and every other fan. And who are these "important people"? A bunch of suits who have taken a great game and reduced it to a reality tv show. Fuk them.

And to clarify, I'm not nor ever have been an FSU fan. But the fact their inclusion (should they win of course) is only a question because they lost their qb is ridiculous. What about the other 21 starters, their fukked because some lawyer/politician/celebrity thinks they know what the best matchup will be? Once again, forget playing the games and just take a vote.

Smarter people than the committee (lines makers) had Oregon better than Washington. They lost (twice). Georgia better than Alabama. They lost. Miami (OH) and SMU both dogs, both won. Ratings/stats ain't the end-all be-all. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards, "That's why we play the games."

budwiser · 12-02-23, 10:14 PM

straight from sagarin

PREDICTOR, is such that the score is the only thing that matters.
PREDICTOR is also known as PURE_POINTS, BALLANTINE, RHEINGOLD, WHITE OWL
and is a very good PREDICTOR of future games.

Eddy Munny · 12-02-23, 10:14 PM

Any ratings system that currently has Michigan 1 and FSU 12 is obviously flawed anyways... don't care what the numbers say.

budwiser · 12-02-23, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by swordsandtequila

My point is they shouldn't matter, least not to you and every other fan. And who are these "important people"? A bunch of suits who have taken a great game and reduced it to a reality tv show. Fuk them.

people who hire and fire people. those we don't see. hundreds of million$ are at stake in these decisions