Clemson v. Alabama - Pick

[thomorino]

You’re missing the point as usual. He got first team reps.

I'm talking about when he came in against ND, there's no way he got any significant amount of 1st team reps when he wasn't likely to even see the field.

[DJK]

Lol. You never make a mistake with Alabama. Superior coaching and talent . You would need your head examined if you were to ever ML against Alabama.

It was only 01/01/2015, when Ohio State beat Alabama 42-35 when Alabama was favored by -7.5. I made money off that game and on the final when Ohio State destroyed Oregon for the title.

[thomorino]

It was only 01/01/2015, when Ohio State beat Alabama 42-35 when Alabama was favored by -7.5. I made money off that game and on the final when Ohio State destroyed Oregon for the title.

And that's the point - the only thing holding Alabama back has been QB play, like in that game, iBlake Sims and Jalen Hurts were both inconsistent passers, Tua is great.

[Cuse0323]

Clemson is not at Bama's level, they just appeared to be because they had Watson - the best dual threat QB to play in college in a long time.

And Lawrence is trash because he’s not a dual threat? Kid could go number 1 in the draft right now.

[Cuse0323]

The one thing you don’t realize is that the Bama D is not as elite as they were. Clemson will move the ball just fine. These teams are equals.

[thomorino]

And Lawrence is trash because he’s not a dual threat? Kid could go number 1 in the draft right now.

No way. Lawrence isn't ready for the NFL right now, watch the first half against Duke or much of the Boston college game. The quarterbacks coming this year are bad but even in a year like this he wouldn't go 1.

[thomorino]

The one thing you don’t realize is that the Bama D is not as elite as they were. Clemson will move the ball just fine. These teams are equals.

No shit, everyone knows when you replace 6 starters in the secondary you aren't going to be elite, but Alabama's defense is still very good, they just didin't look as good as they are because they played prevent with 30 point leads much of the year.

[thomorino]

Bama has struggled with dual threat quarterbacks, even this year A&M and Oklahoma had some success, but Lawrence isn't a dual threat QB.

[Cuse0323]

Bama has struggled with dual threat quarterbacks, even this year A&M and Oklahoma had some success, but Lawrence isn't a dual threat QB.

Doesn’t mean he can’t beat them. I know it’s mighty Alabama and all, but they can be beat. They have a ridiculous offense this year with Tua, but the D is down from their usual expectations. They may struggle with dual threats, but they will still give up points to a great pocket passer and a run game that is better than you think.

Just like Clemson will give up points to a great QB, and a run game behind a great OLine. Georgia isn’t as good as Clemson and they had it.

I’d bet Lawrence would still go 1 if he could. Without the Oregon kid especially.

[Da Manster!]

well, I took Clemson (+6)...not only do I think they will cover but they have a good chance to win the game outright...as Cuse said, they have just as much talent as Alabama does...remember, ND was supposed to have a "great" O-line also and the Tigers front four basically raped and sodomized them the whole game...if they can do the same thing to Alabama's O-line by getting consistent pressure with their front 4 and dropping 7 back in coverage, it will be a long night for Tua and the Crimson Tide...even without Dexter Lawrence, the Tigers go 6-7 deep on their D-line and can constantly rotate players, stay fresh, and don't miss a beat...all I can say is may the best team win!..(or at least cover the spread...)

[Da Manster!]

Bama has struggled with dual threat quarterbacks, even this year A&M and Oklahoma had some success, but Lawrence isn't a dual threat QB.

he doesn't have to be...he's a pro style QB that has a cannon for an arm...and an extremely accurate one at that..and he can make all of the throws with relative ease that are required at the next level in order to be successful...no use in going back and forth...good luck and we shall see who comes out victorious...

[thomorino]

he doesn't have to be...he's a pro style QB that has a cannon for an arm...and an extremely accurate one at that..and he can make all of the throws with relative ease that are required at the next level in order to be successful...no use in going back and forth...good luck and we shall see who comes out victorious...

You're overrating Lawrence, he's not Peyton Manning, he's more read option than a great pocket QB right now, I don't see Clemson running the ball consistently with a 200 pound back either.

[Da Manster!]

You're overrating Lawrence, he's not Peyton Manning, he's more read option than a great pocket QB right now, I don't see Clemson running the ball consistently with a 200 pound back either.

Clemson basically has a 4-headed monster running back by committee...Etienne, Dixon, Choice, and Feaster...all of them are more than capable of getting the job done...ditto for their WR's...another 4-headed monster with Higgins, Ross, Renfrow, and Rodgers...all dangerous and exceptional...and unlike Oklahoma, the Tigers have a great defense...#2 in the country as a matter of fact...and oh, by the way, Clemson is #3 in total offense as well...do you know where the Sooners rank in total defense?!...#114!...

[Da Manster!]

and the only reason I bring up the fact that the Sooners were ranked #114 in total defense is because they basically shut down the Tide's offense in the second half...I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

[Cuse0323]

Well said, Manster! Better in a few posts than I could do in a few dozen.



Best of luck to all. It will be a great game.

[thomorino]

Clemson basically has a 4-headed monster running back by committee...Etienne, Dixon, Choice, and Feaster...all of them are more than capable of getting the job done...ditto for their WR's...another 4-headed monster with Higgins, Ross, Renfrow, and Rodgers...all dangerous and exceptional...and unlike Oklahoma, the Tigers have a great defense...#2 in the country as a matter of fact...and oh, by the way, Clemson is #3 in total offense as well...do you know where the Sooners rank in total defense?!...#114!...

Etienne got the overwhelming majority of the carries and at 200 pounds I dont' see him breaking many tackles against Alabama. The other Clemson running backs got very few carries. Alabama's running game is much stronger.

[dmncnlou]

The best player on the field is Tua. He will handle the ball on 70 plus plays. Dont over think it.

[Slipknot26]

and the only reason I bring up the fact that the Sooners were ranked #114 in total defense is because they basically shut down the Tide's offense in the second half...I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

No the fukk they didn't
Bama went into prevent
A 6 minute and 8 minute drive rushing to run clock

If you don't think a guy 24 for 27 / 320 yards / 3 TDs could've done what he wants , you're lost on that one .
Hey let's be up big and get Tua hurt while up 18-24
Come on man

[Da Manster!]

No the fukk they didn't
Bama went into prevent
A 6 minute and 8 minute drive rushing to run clock

If you don't think a guy 24 for 27 / 320 yards / 3 TDs could've done what he wants , you're lost on that one .
Hey let's be up big and get Tua hurt while up 18-24
Come on man

I'm not talking about Saban running the ball and milking clock...no shit he doesn't want to get Tua hurt...I'm talking about the other side of the ball where Oklahoma moved the ball at will on the vaunted Bama defense...there is no excuse for that...don't matter what the score is...if you want to call it prevent, so be it...who's fault is that?

[2daBank]

Whatever you say. Just read your little stats but don’t actually watch the game. It was 28-13 going into the 4th. Was never in doubt. And in a hostile environment. Again with your selective criticism. Bama gets outscored by OU substantially after their big lead but you got an excuse for those stats.

Agree Clemson controlled that gm from the jump and was never any doubt bout it. Don’t think it makes sense to take anything away from what happened in the bama game after they went up 28-3, game was over and they kinda played that way. Whenever Ou got anywhere near making it a game bama scored., both games were pretty equally dominated imo. Bama faced the vastly better offense and prob better team and Clemson faced the better defense and game played that way.

[2daBank]

I'm not talking about Saban running the ball and milking clock...no shit he doesn't want to get Tua hurt...I'm talking about the other side of the ball where Oklahoma moved the ball at will on the vaunted Bama defense...there is no excuse for that...don't matter what the score is...if you want to call it prevent, so be it...who's fault is that?

Lot of teams at every level start to move the ball when they get down 28-3., sooners offense which is really good didn’t do shit till bama had game essentially put away.

Damn sure not saying bama the play, i think they win but who knows. Just don’t think a excellent sooners offense scoring a bunch after game was out of reach (as in bama had huge lead and were capable of scoring any time sooners got even close to making it a game) means all that much.

[Cuse0323]

Agree Clemson controlled that gm from the jump and was never any doubt bout it. Don’t think it makes sense to take anything away from what happened in the bama game after they went up 28-3, game was over and they kinda played that way. Whenever Ou got anywhere near making it a game bama scored., both games were pretty equally dominated imo. Bama faced the vastly better offense and prob better team and Clemson faced the better defense and game played that way.

I think Bama definitely let off the gas. Saban is an old school stall ball type coach. They had the game from the beginning. Just fun to mess with this fool.

I think it’s gonna be a battle. I like the points because I think it ends up being decided by a FG either way. I’d go with Clemson though if I had to decide straight up.

[2daBank]

I think Bama definitely let off the gas. Saban is an old school stall ball type coach. They had the game from the beginning. Just fun to mess with this fool.

I think it’s gonna be a battle. I like the points because I think it ends up being decided by a FG either way. I’d go with Clemson though if I had to decide straight up.

Only time I can ever remember not siding w bama was the Watson games and that just cause I was huge fan! Lol., I have a osu/bama ml parlay that went big enough on. I’m not doing anything else. That gives me plenty of action on who I think wins. No interest getting carried away on it tho! I’m not that sure.

[Unwritten Law]

Wow these guys convincing each other that Clemson is the play, trying their hardest to justify taking the kittens.

[dmncnlou]

Wow these guys convincing each other that Clemson is the play, trying their hardest to justify taking the kittens.

I know right. Especially when Clemson has played absolutely no one all year! You really think Nick Saban is gonna lose to a freshman quarterback?! I see why the books clean up.

[navyblue81]

I'm not talking about Saban running the ball and milking clock...no shit he doesn't want to get Tua hurt...I'm talking about the other side of the ball where Oklahoma moved the ball at will on the vaunted Bama defense...there is no excuse for that...don't matter what the score is...if you want to call it prevent, so be it...who's fault is that?

Oklahoma moved the ball because they have a good offense. They're a much better offense than Clemson. Alabama's got a solid D, but they're not invincible. However, they will give Clemson headaches and keep them from scoring a lot.
I do agree with the notion that Bama got very conservative up 28-0 and then picked it back up when Oklahoma started to get within striking distance. They could do what they wanted to that game from an offensive standpoint.

[2daBank]

Oklahoma moved the ball because they have a good offense. They're a much better offense than Clemson. Alabama's got a solid D, but they're not invincible. However, they will give Clemson headaches and keep them from scoring a lot.
I do agree with the notion that Bama got very conservative up 28-0 and then picked it back up when Oklahoma started to get within striking distance. They could do what they wanted to that game from an offensive standpoint.

I think guys focusing on sooners moving up and down after 28-3 making a huge mistake as what I took from that Game is bama held a incredibly good if not best offense around to zilch until they scored 4x and put game away!! I didn’t expect that!!

[navyblue81]

I think guys focusing on sooners moving up and down after 28-3 making a huge mistake as what I took from that Game is bama held a incredibly good if not best offense around to zilch until they scored 4x and put game away!! I didn’t expect that!!

If you study Bama this year, they pounce on you very early in games. They had 21-point leads after the first quarter in a majority of their games this year. If you study Clemson, they get off to very slow starts and struggle out of the game before hitting their stride later in the half. Something to keep an eye on Monday night. Clemson's goal needs to be to hang in there in the first quarter. That, and blitz early and blitz often. The more they get to Tua and hit him, the better they will shake him up and cause mistakes.

[2daBank]

If you study Bama this year, they pounce on you very early in games. They had 21-point leads after the first quarter in a majority of their games this year. If you study Clemson, they get off to very slow starts and struggle out of the game before hitting their stride later in the half. Something to keep an eye on Monday night. Clemson's goal needs to be to hang in there in the first quarter. That, and blitz early and blitz often. The more they get to Tua and hit him, the better they will shake him up and cause mistakes.

For sure. Think we were all riding that bama 1st half for some time! Lol. I didn’t realize Clemson was traditionally slow starters, didn’t watch them much which why I asked guys what they thought bout the fresh qb. Just wasn’t interested watchin tigers play bunch of mostly weak acc teams

[Da Manster!]

there seems to be a 50-50 split on this forum about this game...that's what books love...equal action on both sides...house cleans up...line has now dropped to Clemson (+5) at most shops...one final thought and all I can say is this...if you like Alabama, then lay the goddamn points...if you like the Tigers, then take the goddamn points and let the chips fall where they may...we shall see come Monday night...

[navyblue81]

For sure. Think we were all riding that bama 1st half for some time! Lol. I didn’t realize Clemson was traditionally slow starters, didn’t watch them much which why I asked guys what they thought bout the fresh qb. Just wasn’t interested watchin tigers play bunch of mostly weak acc teams

Yeah, they are. I mean, Notre Dame had them tight most of the first half. Duke kept it tight most of the first half. So did SC. Pitt was there with them midway into the second quarter. The most obvious one is Syracuse who dominated them in the first half. So yeah, it takes them a little while to get their motor running, unlike Bama whose motor is in full swing as soon as that ball is in the air.

[Da Manster!]

Yeah, they are. I mean, Notre Dame had them tight most of the first half. Duke kept it tight most of the first half. So did SC. Pitt was there with them midway into the second quarter. The most obvious one is Syracuse who dominated them in the first half. So yeah, it takes them a little while to get their motor running, unlike Bama whose motor is in full swing as soon as that ball is in the air.

well Alabama hasn't seen a defense as good as Clemson's either...so don't be surprised if that motor stalls early and often...

[2daBank]

well Alabama hasn't seen a defense as good as Clemson's either...so don't be surprised if that motor stalls early and often...

Mississippi st defense was pretty darn good wasn’t it? Seems like they had quite a bit of nfl talent on that side of ball.

[Da Manster!]

Mississippi st defense was pretty darn good wasn’t it? Seems like they had quite a bit of nfl talent on that side of ball.

well yes...and they held Bama to 24 points if I'm not mistaken...as a matter of fact, the score was indeed 24-0!...getting back to the point, Clemson has just as much if not more NFL caliber talent on defense as the Bulldogs do and there isn't much separation between the two...however the biggest difference is that Clemson has a much better offense than Miss ST does!..they are ranked #3 in the country while Miss ST is #70!...do the math my friend...take Clemson and the points and let's cash in!...thank me later......of'course the Tide can win by a FG and we are both winners and very happy!

[2daBank]

well yes...and they held Bama to 24 points if I'm not mistaken...as a matter of fact, the score was indeed 24-0!...getting back to the point, Clemson has just as much if not more NFL caliber talent on defense as the Bulldogs do and there isn't much separation between the two...however the biggest difference is that Clemson has a much better offense than Miss ST does!..they are ranked #3 in the country while Miss ST is #70!...do the math my friend...take Clemson and the points and let's cash in!...thank me later......of'course the Tide can win by a FG and we are both winners and very happy!

Yea that bulldogs offense was pitiful (seem like I was playing a under on them all the time!).

I’m perfectly happy w bama by 1-2-3-4-5. Don’t matter to me, I can cash the parlay i got a the bama ml to close it out and ya’ll can have the cover!!!

Under seems tempting no?