Obama. Did not vote for him but I'm coming around

[reno cool]

that says it all

[RonPaul2008]

Obama is no better than Bush.

[d2bets]

Obama is no better than Bush.

Of course he is.

[RonPaul2008]

Obama voted for Patiot Act II
Obama voted for the FISA bill/Absolving the telecoms of their involvement in breaking the law
Obama wants to send more troops to Afghanistan
Obama is all for huge bailouts for banks and big business
Obama is fine with detaining people indefintely without any charges, trial, or representation
Obama will leave 10's of thousands of troops in Iraq for a full 2 terms should he be reelected
Obama is an asshole

Of course he is.

[d2bets]

Obama voted for Patiot Act II
Obama voted for the FISA bill/Absolving the telecoms of their involvement in breaking the law
Obama wants to send more troops to Afghanistan
Obama is all for huge bailouts for banks and big business
Obama is fine with detaining people indefintely without any charges, trial, or representation
Obama will leave 10's of thousands of troops in Iraq for a full 2 terms should he be reelected
Obama is an asshole

Hey nobody's perfect.

[RonPaul2008]

Obama is very far from perfect

Hey nobody's perfect.

[DwightShrute]

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Some good shit in this thread!
Bump for Curious and others.

[Sunde91]

Sounds like you were proud of Obongo for the simple fact that the self-destructing leftist sheep in Holland were drooling over him because he's African and they get a feel good, self-righteous feeling inside when they worship Africans.

[nosniboR11]

obama will be found guilty of treason before its all over

[tltaylor89]

Yes we can spend trillions

[Extra Innings]

I was in Amsterdam when he held a short news conference. People scurried and crowded around the TV to get a glimpse of the new American President. For the first time in a while I was proud of my President.

I dont agree with many of his policies. But I am one conservative that can honestly say I'm glad he is the President of the USA.

I'm happy for you John

[mador]

Hip Hip Hurray for Obama!

[Chuck Sims]

I was in Amsterdam when he held a short news conference. People scurried and crowded around the TV to get a glimpse of the new American President. For the first time in a while I was proud of my President.

I dont agree with many of his policies. But I am one conservative that can honestly say I'm glad he is the President of the USA.

John, I've got a couple of cases of snake oil, how many bottles would you like?

[SBR_John]

Too bad the Republicans had no one to run.

I will admit I am not heavily into politics. Obama seems like a decent enough guy. He screwed me on my GM bonds but hey, wtf. The bailouts seemed to have worked, Hard to imagine if Bank America, Citi and most of the major banks and insurance companies failed and two of three autos also failed. I doubt in fact, check that, have no doubt that McCain would NOT have done a better job with the financial crisis. I still will not vote for people trying to over tax me but like I said, Obama seems like a decent enough guy.

[pavyracer]

I would love for presidents not to tax me a penny but I live in the USA and not in the Nation of Brunei.

[SBR_John]

I would love for presidents not to tax me a penny but I live in the USA and not in the Nation of Brunei.

Quite a difference between 'not a penny' and 41% (the highest tax rate in the world once it goes into effect next year). Reagan said it best; Democrats aim for the rich(with their high taxes) and always hit the poor.

[pavyracer]

Quite a difference between 'not a penny' and 41% (the highest tax rate in the world once it goes into effect next year). Reagan said it best; Democrats aim for the rich(with their high taxes) and always hit the poor.

Someone has to pay for policing the world and spreading democracy to third world countries. We are spending the most amount than any country in the world for the world's most advanced and powerful military. Well you don't build nuclear carriers and stealth bombers with pennies on the dollar. The freedom that we enjoy comes at a high cost and unfortunately the tax payers are carrying the burden. Even when the country was founded after the independence from the British Empire the citizens were heavily taxed and driven to bankruptcy. And everyone pays taxes. You may be paying 41% and other people are paying 31% but even though they are taxed less percentage it has a bigger effect on their lives because they don't make as much as the people who get taxed 41%. Because gas, housing, cars, appliances they all cost the same and both the ones with lots of money and the ones with less buy them for the same price. Last I heard you don't get a discount at the pump if you produce a 31% percent tax return at the cashier instead of a 41%.

[Extra Innings]

John...would you continue to give money to gamble if I hit @ 48%? Sad that I have to pay interest when I take a loan from a company I bailed out. And Government Motors with that POS "Volt" continues to remain political. Let the market do it's business.

[Naz18]

Quite a difference between 'not a penny' and 41% (the highest tax rate in the world once it goes into effect next year). Reagan said it best; Democrats aim for the rich(with their high taxes) and always hit the poor.

I don't know about the highest tax rate in the world....USA tax has been pretty low, especially compared to a lot of the European countries.

[dherd]

obama is the man and dems are the party - back them and they will get online gambling passed and return out neteller to us.

[craig4nr]

Quite a difference between 'not a penny' and 41% (the highest tax rate in the world once it goes into effect next year). Reagan said it best; Democrats aim for the rich(with their high taxes) and always hit the poor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

I see a lot of numbers on there higher than 41.

Obama isn't the greatest president. He hasn't lived up to my expectations either, but he was a much better choice than McCain and a ton better than Bush. Ultimately, all politicians suck.

[DwightShrute]

Obama isn't the greatest president. He hasn't lived up to my expectations either, but he was a much better choice than McCain and a ton better than Bush. Ultimately, all politicians suck.

based on what?

[Extra Innings]

based on what?

A "feeling"

[JohnAnthony]

SBRJohn, You were happy Obama is your president because a bunch of people in AMSTERDAM were cheering for him? besides the fact this guy is driving America towards a financial gutter - I don't think this is the relevant way to look at it.

I don't really care since I'm not American, but just my 2 cents.

[Hotdiggity11]

obama will be found guilty of treason before its all over

Ah yes, another prediction that won't come true.

Quite a difference between 'not a penny' and 41% (the highest tax rate in the world once it goes into effect next year). Reagan said it best; Democrats aim for the rich(with their high taxes) and always hit the poor.

Back when our nation was growing exponentially in the mid-20th century, income tax rates were exorbitant.

[SBR_John]

Ah yes, another prediction that won't come true.






Back when our nation was growing exponentially in the mid-20th century, income tax rates were exorbitant.

High taxes led to a near depression despite the technological revolution. When Reagan took office there was 18% interest rates, 12% inflation and 11% unemployment. After the Reagan tax cuts the economy surged. Its not rocket science; if you take money out of the system pretty soon everyone will be broke like a poker table with an extreme rake.

[pavyracer]

But when Reagan left office the stock market crashed. That means the economic recovery was artificial and was created by ballooning the budget deficit without regards to federal government incomes. So when the shit hit the fun and the stock market crashed Bush Sr had to raise the taxes to try and fix the mess Reagan left behind.

[Andy117]

obama will be found guilty of treason before its all over

That's ridiculous.

[Hotdiggity11]

High taxes led to a near depression despite the technological revolution. When Reagan took office there was 18% interest rates, 12% inflation and 11% unemployment. After the Reagan tax cuts the economy surged. Its not rocket science; if you take money out of the system pretty soon everyone will be broke like a poker table with an extreme rake.

Reaganomics is the reason our wealth disparity gap is the largest since the late 1920s. Turns out, the money didn't trickle down quite like the people claimed it would. And that doesn't explain why our best growth periods were when the rich were paying high taxes [Reagan only put a temporary band-aid on the problem while tripling the deficit].

But when Reagan left office the stock market crashed. That means the economic recovery was artificial and was created by ballooning the budget deficit without regards to federal government incomes. So when the shit hit the fun and the stock market crashed Bush Sr had to raise the taxes to try and fix the mess Reagan left behind.

Stock market crashed in '87. Reagan was still president.

[statnerds]

i just think it is bullshit what this country did to Barry Sr.

i mean it was just unthinkable



what the fukk kind of country makes a 9 year old child go kill some slopes?

America sucked before they instituted an age requirement on military service...

[pavyracer]

Reaganomics is the reason our wealth disparity gap is the largest since the late 1920s. Turns out, the money didn't trickle down quite like the people claimed it would. And that doesn't explain why our best growth periods were when the rich were paying high taxes [Reagan only put a temporary band-aid on the problem while tripling the deficit].






Stock market crashed in '87. Reagan was still president.

What I meant it was towards the end of his 8 years. Didn't mean it was after.

[dodger33]

Tax rate doesn't mean shit if the Government does not control its spending. I do not have a problem with slightly higher taxes but I know it doesn't work because they will just find a way to spend that extra money instead of paying off debt and beginning to create a surplus again.

[DwightShrute]

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter etc

Obama is the president unfortunately for the next 907 days no matter what. He isn't making things better, he's made things worse. He has lied about nearly everything he said to get elected. Why aren't all you Obama supporters mentioning that?

I wish he was the real thing because I hate seeing the USA going 4 years in the complete opposite direction with this arrogant self righteous unqualified anointed man who knows what is best for all. He is a total failure unlike any other president in history.

I know many will hate this next part but in Germany, not that long ago, Hitler had a lot of unconditional followers that despite his evils way, wouldn't denounce him but rather support him to the end. No matter the obvious signs. Thankfully many saw him for what he was. Thankfully more US citizens are seeing the same trend here and will end this moron's reign of impenitence this November. If so, America will finally start to recover because Obama will be powerless to further fuk up this country and hopefully a more comptent person will take his place in 2012.

[losturmarbles]

Someone has to pay for policing the world and spreading democracy to third world countries. We are spending the most amount than any country in the world for the world's most advanced and powerful military. Well you don't build nuclear carriers and stealth bombers with pennies on the dollar. The freedom that we enjoy comes at a high cost and unfortunately the tax payers are carrying the burden. Even when the country was founded after the independence from the British Empire the citizens were heavily taxed and driven to bankruptcy. And everyone pays taxes. You may be paying 41% and other people are paying 31% but even though they are taxed less percentage it has a bigger effect on their lives because they don't make as much as the people who get taxed 41%. Because gas, housing, cars, appliances they all cost the same and both the ones with lots of money and the ones with less buy them for the same price. Last I heard you don't get a discount at the pump if you produce a 31% percent tax return at the cashier instead of a 41%.

Pavy, stop spreading mis-information.
The only part of your post that has any merit is the part about the cost of policing the world and nation building.
We have over 900 military bases in other countries. And that's about 900 too many.

And I'm not sure where you get "Even when the country was founded after the independence from the British Empire the citizens were heavily taxed and driven to bankruptcy." ??? Please do tell. Considering one of the main forces of rebellion was to escape the taxes and money manipulation imposed by Britain to pay for their national debt from their wars with France.

And everyone pays taxes? Not according the IRS. 50% of tax filers have a negative tax liability, meaning that after credits and deductions, they owed negative tax. They get everything they payed in during the year back plus some more.

And save the whole diatribe about bigger effect on their lives. That's bullshit. And besides that, your complete argument there is based on an illogical premise. The theme of Marx and Engels, From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Maybe you should be complaining about the SS and Medicare tax, since it's a FLAT rate of 15%.

Truth is the income tax is nothing but government theft.
Let's say someone sees you that video of you racing pavycars down your street in front of your house. They come to you and want you to train their kid on how to pavy-race. So they pay you $200 for your service for a couple of hours. Now how much of that money do you owe the government? 40%??? What if instead of paying you $200, you made a deal that the guy would do some landscape work for you. What is the difference? Do you now owe the government 40% of the value of his service and he owes the government 40% of the value of yours? NO. It was an exchange of goods and services, just like it was for the $200. An exchange of something of value for wages, ie income.
We don't need an income tax to run the federal government. 100% of it goes to pay the interest on the national debt (which increases on average 4 BILLION a day). And the debt is nothing but a manipulation of our currency created by the federal reserve. 1913- A private bank is given the power to create the only legal currency and loan it to the government at interest. 20 years later, the government is bankrupted. They confiscate all the gold at $20/ounce. Then inflate the price to $35/ounce. In 1975, they make it legal to own gold again. Now gold is around $1200/ounce, meanwhile the US Dollar has lost about 95% of it's purchasing power.
We didn't have income tax for over a century and we became the richest country in the world because of it. Now we are nothing but slaves to government who use class warfare to justify stealing more of the wealth that individuals produce.