Obama. Did not vote for him but I'm coming around

[capitalist pig]

I didnt vote for him, and am not coming around to like him,JMO.

later

[pavyracer]

I get goosebumps thinking that this country would not have existed today if Obama didn't win the election. President McCoot and vice president Beauty Queen would have declared war to Russia, North Korea, China and Iran and the world would have ceased to exist.

[brooks85]

I get get goosebumps thinking about how great this county would be if people like you were not aloud to vote. You clearly can't not handle the responsibility.

[stc9357]

I get get goosebumps thinking about how great this county would be if people like you were not aloud to vote. You clearly can't not handle the responsibility.

I get goosebumps thinking how great this country would be if neither oof you were allowed to vote, it's just special interest group vrs. special interest group and I think neither of you qualify for any benefit (have to be a multi-millionaire)

[Extra Innings]

I get goosebumps thinking how great this country would be if neither oof you were allowed to vote, it's just special interest group vrs. special interest group and I think neither of you qualify for any benefit (have to be a multi-millionaire)

Nah...read the Constitution... apparent neither you or the Democrats do.

[jetsjets1028]

obama hasent done much of anything what joke...

[brooks85]

I get goosebumps thinking how great this country would be if neither oof you were allowed to vote, it's just special interest group vrs. special interest group and I think neither of you qualify for any benefit (have to be a multi-millionaire)

and what benefit am I getting by obama being in office?

[DwightShrute]

[brooks85]

^^^

[mtneer1212]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

And for you liberal folks........ I love JFK for the same reason. He didn't blink during the Cuban missle crisis.

[Extra Innings]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

[stc9357]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

And for you liberal folks........ I love JFK for the same reason. He didn't blink during the Cuban missle crisis.

What a bunch of dumb asses in this thread if you read my previous statement you would realize I side with no side in this jack-ass conversation. Regan was also responsible for the big move of companies offshore so thanks for that. I didn't vote for either jack-ass this election and probably won't next time either. I do agree Obama has a bunch of ****** of policies but so would the other president McCain if elected so I see no gold on the other side just stupidity by Americans who think there actually picking a side in a election.

[SRBI]

Anyone that voted for Obama now realizes what a massive mistake it was

Even some blacks realizing it

Do you people honestly think that things would be any different if McCain was voted in instead of Obama? You are flippin retarded. If anything it would be 10 times worse with that trigger happy lunatic in power.

[Hotdiggity11]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

And for you liberal folks........ I love JFK for the same reason. He didn't blink during the Cuban missle crisis.

Reagan was one of the biggest jokes ever. I guess cut and running from Lebanon and selling weapons off to our enemies is "not taking any shit from anyone?"

[robmpink]

voted for him but he has made things worse.

[DwightShrute]

Do you people honestly think that things would be any different if McCain was voted in instead of Obama? You are flippin retarded. If anything it would be 10 times worse with that trigger happy lunatic in power.

you know this how exactly?

[Thor4140]

Reagan was one of the biggest jokes ever. I guess cut and running from Lebanon and selling weapons off to our enemies is "not taking any shit from anyone?"

You think these nitwits who love Reagan even knew about those things? They don't hear those kind of things on Nitwit Neo-con radio or Fox News. Fox News? i love typing that Opinion news for the mentally challenge.

[Grandmaster B]

I get goosebumps thinking that this country would not have existed today if Obama didn't win the election. President McCoot and vice president Beauty Queen would have declared war to Russia, North Korea, China and Iran and the world would have ceased to exist.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Obama obviously doesn't want a second term...and the longer he goes the deeper he's digging the hole. Tonight his agreeing on the Muslim Center near Ground Zero is another blunder that he'll regret...not sure who's advising him, but they're failing...big time.

[Team Ramrod]

First off this past presidential election was the shittiest of all time. Both canidates sucked ass. With that being said we would have been better off with the old man.

[pavyracer]

You think these nitwits who love Reagan even knew about those things? They don't hear those kind of things on Nitwit Neo-con radio or Fox News. Fox News? i love typing that Opinion news for the mentally challenge.

Fox News is not news. It's right wing propaganda. They spin the news it is sickening.

[SBR_John]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

And for you liberal folks........ I love JFK for the same reason. He didn't blink during the Cuban missle crisis.

here,here!

Reagan showed that massive tax cuts for everyone would cause business to invest and allowed people to keep/spend more. JFK did the same thing. We need massive tax reform or the economy will continue to weaken and eventually end up completely in Asia and other areas that businesses do not have to share half their profits with a government.

[losturmarbles]

1. First of all, when governmental policies are responsible for disparity, yes, it is the job of the government to correct it. And the government, under both Republicans and Democrats, have more concern for corporations and lobbyists than they do for the average American.


2. First of all, I never claimed the USSR was "prosperous." I said it was a world power along with the United States. This is not disputable, after WW2, the United States and USSR were recognized as the two world powers that competed against each other with global alliances such as the Warsaw Pact and NATO revolving around these two countries. Please don't distort my words.


Secondly, no, we were not the most prosperous country in the world prior to income taxes. In fact, we didn't get that recognition until after World War II. Throughout most of our history, we were a near isolationist country while European countries like Great Britain and France were constantly expanding throughout the world.

What distortion was that again? And where does one get this "recognition" from?

Another thing, what the fuk does being "a near isolationist country" have to do with anything? So a country can't be prosperous if they mind their own fuking business?
...and expanding throughout the world? WHO?!? Governments? So government is the source of wealth and prosperity?

We were the most prosperous country in the world prior to income taxes and the federal reserve.

In 1820, US GDP was less than 2% of the world's GDP. By 1913, US GDP was more than double any other country and 1/5 of the world's. Funny thing about freedom, it works.

From 1820 to 1870, US GDP increased 784% while the world GDP had only increased 59%. From 1870 to 1913, US GDP increased 526% while the world GDP had only increased 246%.
Then in 1913, the US adopts an income tax and gives a private bank control of it's currency, growth dramatically drops close to the world average. Even the period you refer to as our best growth period following WW2 (1950-1973), we were below the world average.

The figures are calculated based on GDP numbers here:

http://www.theworldeconomy.org/MaddisonTables/MaddisontableB-18.pdf

[losturmarbles]

Right, that is why the government must be working on creating fair rules and not on changing the results once the game has already ended.



Right, and this will not change as long as the government can become that corrupted. The only way to change this is by NOT giving them money and limiting their role in distributing wealth. You position is logically flawed. You realize that the government is corrupt yet want to give them more money and power.

Data, don't try to inject rational thought and reason into the argument.

It's a proven fact that America's prosperity comes from the government stealing from the rich and giving to the poor!

[losturmarbles]

Fox News is not news. It's right wing propaganda. They spin the news it is sickening.

insightful as always.

There's plenty of talking heads on all the news stations that spin it both ways.
The "news" part of the stations is often absent. They lack any real journalists that produce real news, and only report current events from a naive and ignorant point of view.

The mindless masses would much rather watch Entertainment tonight or TMZ anyway.

[Hotdiggity11]

What distortion was that again? And where does one get this "recognition" from?

Another thing, what the fuk does being "a near isolationist country" have to do with anything? So a country can't be prosperous if they mind their own fuking business?
...and expanding throughout the world? WHO?!? Governments? So government is the source of wealth and prosperity?

We were the most prosperous country in the world prior to income taxes and the federal reserve.

In 1820, US GDP was less than 2% of the world's GDP. By 1913, US GDP was more than double any other country and 1/5 of the world's. Funny thing about freedom, it works.

From 1820 to 1870, US GDP increased 784% while the world GDP had only increased 59%. From 1870 to 1913, US GDP increased 526% while the world GDP had only increased 246%.
Then after the US adopts an income tax and gives a private bank control of it's currency, growth dramatically drops close to the world average. Even the period you refer to as our best growth period following WW2 (1950-1973), we were below the world average.

The figures are calculated based on GDP numbers here:

1. I already explained the distortion.

2. We truly became a prosperous country when we became a world power, which didn't occur until after WW2. And yes, being an isolationist country does limit how powerful a country can become.

3. How did prosperity come down to solely GDP [Which is an economical factor but doesn't take into account other things that would indicate prosperity]? Were we directing various international issues in the 19th century like we do today? No. Did we have the most powerful military in the world in the 19th century? No. Were we the sole world power in the world in the 19th century? No. Did we have the largest cache of nuclear weaponry in the world in the 19th century? Obviously not. There is no comparison.

[Goat Milk]

WELL BOYS LIKE I ALWAYS SAY MAN THESE COLORED PEOPLE CAN SPEND IT WHEN THEY HAVE IT.

MICHELLE OBAMA TOOK THE KIDS TO SPAIN LAST WEEK FOR 5 DAYS IT COST THE U.S. TAX PAYERS ABOUT 3 MILLION DOLLARS SHE HAD 70 SECRET SERVICE AGENTS AND RENTED 70 ROOMS F-CK THESE NIGERIANS THEY ARE KILLING THE COUNTRY SHE ALSO TOOK AIR FORCE 2 TO SPAIN WHAT THE F-CK THE F-CKING NIGERIANS DONT LIKE TO FLY COACH ANYMORE

BEANTOWNJIM IS NOT A RACIST HE IS A REALIST

if you are going to talk about realism, why don't we start with the Muslims before the blacks? You sound like a 50 year old conservy that just listens to what the media has to say Bean Town.

[Goat Milk]

I miss the days of Reagan...... he tore down the wall, shoved a missle up Khadafi's ass, freed the Iranian hostages, and didn't take any shit from anyone. There wouldn't be any Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan annoyances -- it would have been carpet bomb and move on....... America is most effective when they have a leader who is just a little bit crazy, and a bit of a cowboy...... makes the other threats think twice.

And for you liberal folks........ I love JFK for the same reason. He didn't blink during the Cuban missle crisis.

bro Reagen is one of the most overrated leaders of all time. If you have a sack, but no brain, does that make a good leader?

Back to the issue.....Obama is not feared, that is a big problem.

[losturmarbles]

1. I already explained the distortion.

2. We truly became a prosperous country when we became a world power, which didn't occur until after WW2. And yes, being an isolationist country does limit how powerful a country can become.

3. How did prosperity come down to solely GDP [Which is an economical factor but doesn't take into account other things that would indicate prosperity]? Were we directing various international issues in the 19th century like we do today? No. Did we have the most powerful military in the world in the 19th century? No. Were we the sole world power in the world in the 19th century? No. Did we have the largest cache of nuclear weaponry in the world in the 19th century? Obviously not. There is no comparison.

No distortion, You just made the same link again. Prosperity = Big Military.

So we only truly became prosperous when the US went in massive debt spending for the war. Not when we were living within our means and producing wealth.
It's ignorant dipshits like you that got us where we're at now.

From 1917 to 1919 (WWI), debt grew 759% (3.61B to 27.39B)
From 1941 to 1946 (WWII), debt grew 627% (42.97B to 269.42B)
War debt was almost 98% of the increase in debt the first half of the century.

BTW, Stop distorting my words. I said we became the RICHEST country by NOT taxing. Your original argument was about "best growth period" or some other bullshit.

...And that doesn't explain why our best growth periods were when the rich were paying high taxes

And sure, prosperity may encompass other things (none of which you mentioned), but wealth is by far the greatest indicator. And considering our GDP was double any other country, you can safely assume we were the most prosperous as well.

[Z_Wipf]

I get get goosebumps thinking about how great this county would be if people like you were not aloud to vote. You clearly can't not handle the responsibility.

Aloud to vote..........ALOUD!? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you ******* retard. Can't handle responsibility, you're just some redneck who thinks he has intelligence.

[linedrivr]

he will do good for now, and dwight u have a great point.."Obama looks like he will be a disaster in the making and will be regarded as such for decades to come, long after we're gone"

It wouldn't have mattered who took that seat in office after the Bush administration debacle. They were doomed from day 1 because of what they inherited from Bush and his cronies over the course of 8 years of bad decisions.

[Hotdiggity11]

No distortion, You just made the same link again. Prosperity = Big Military.

So we only truly became prosperous when the US went in massive debt spending for the war. Not when we were living within our means and producing wealth.
It's ignorant dipshits like you that got us where we're at now.

From 1917 to 1919 (WWI), debt grew 759% (3.61B to 27.39B)
From 1941 to 1946 (WWII), debt grew 627% (42.97B to 269.42B)
War debt was almost 98% of the increase in debt the first half of the century.

BTW, Stop distorting my words. I said we became the RICHEST country by NOT taxing. Your original argument was about "best growth period" or some other bullshit.


And sure, prosperity may encompass other things (none of which you mentioned), but wealth is by far the greatest indicator. And considering our GDP was double any other country, you can safely assume we were the most prosperous as well.

Actually, I made military as one of the important indicator. Having enormous influence after international matters would another and it doesn't require a military. Also, I said "most prosperous."


Also, you can stop using Ad Hominem now by attacking me. That's usually the sign of a losing argument.

[Extra Innings]

Fox News is not news. It's right wing propaganda. They spin the news it is sickening.

What programming do you recommend?

[losturmarbles]

Also, you can stop using Ad Hominem now by attacking me.

You can stop using red herrings and admit your 100% wrong.

You can also stop using words you have no fukin clue the meaning of.

[Hotdiggity11]

You can stop using red herrings and admit your 100% wrong.

You can also stop using words you have no fukin clue the meaning of.

1. You have been dodging my points for a while now. Screaming about "red herrings" is hilarious.


2. You have resorted to Ad Hominem because you lack a legitimate argument.