How about retards and rednecks? Can they vote if they marry their cousins?
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what about people who have never worked a day in their life and survive solely on their parents trust fund
should they be allowed to vote?
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Obama can be no more than a -150 fav to be relected(my own line...might be a better one out there?)
He may be smarter than liberals think and move towards the center by the election. That's the frustrating thing is you know those dems are smarter than to want to always raise taxes. They know it will devestate the economy and hurt the guys at the bottom the most but yet they do it anyway. Will Obama give in to the liberals and just be another tax&spend Mondale, Carter type or move toward Bush/Clinton-ish centrist fiscal policy??? If he proposes across the board tax cuts in his re election he will win by a landside, if not he is a short favorite.Comment -
The problem is the opposition right now doesn't have a charismatic leader. People do not want to relieve the Bush years again where he was a puppet and Cheney and Ramsfeld run the country. They have fresh memories. Maybe by year 2016 they will forget the previous regime and bring the war thirsty regime back.Comment -
richard nixon was the worst president in US history.Comment -
War thirsty? Ohhhh.... you mean like Johnson?? OK
Its early, Obama was flipping burgers this time 4 years ago. The Republicans have time on their side and people will tire of a stagnant economy so we will see.Comment -
Well Bush started 2 wars while he was a president without finishing either. And he had 8 years to do it. Also Bush Sr started a war he didn't finish. At least Clinton the only war he started in the Balkans he finished it.Comment -
Pavy wars are not started anymore by democrats than republicans. It was a democrat that lost us 55,000 US soldiers lives fighting for what? oil? not even. Nothing. It was the tax and spend (on everything but military) congress that brought us to a near depression in the late 70's. Reagan cut taxes by 30% and the economy roared like never before. At least we can all agree we need another Reagan.
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Originally posted by pavyracer
You'll note the accompanying deficit digging and deficit solving.
Presidents these days are puppets. If the powers that be want war, they'll have it. Preferably a perpetual war, like Vietnam. Countries that fight wars dig deficits, while enriching bankers and their pals in the weapon industry. A total disgrace, but as long as the People swallow it wholesale, it's great business for a few.Comment -
to quote a certain redneck adviser to our horniest president
"it's the economy stupid"Comment -
I really like this idea.Originally posted by curiousComment -
You need some courses in reading comprehension. I made it quite clear. In order to vote you have to be gainfully employed and pay income taxes, retired and paid income taxes at least 50% of your working years, or own a small business employing more than 2 full time people.Originally posted by Grandmaster Bwhat about people who have never worked a day in their life and survive solely on their parents trust fund
should they be allowed to vote?
A person who does not work, has never worked, and lives off a trust fund does not meet any of those conditions.Comment -
Actually the award for worst president is a toss up between Woodrow Wilson and FDR.Originally posted by ericthegangsterComment -
Obama is not going to move to the center. His whole life he has been immersed in far left wing radicalism. He's not going to suddenly change his core belief system.Originally posted by SBR_John
To understand this person (Hussein Obama) you really need to read up on African Liberation Theology as preached by Obama's pastor, Reverend Wright. Obama sat in that church for twenty years. No one can tell me that he doesn't agree with that teaching.Comment -
Let me recommend a reading primer for you, since you lack reading comprehension skills, "Hookers on Phonics".Originally posted by Grandmaster Bso what about upper execs and ceo's (that got rich by mastering the art of legal scamming taxpayer dollars) who get corporate welfare bailouts?...are they allowed to vote???
Corporations can't vote. It was the corporation that got the bailout.
If the CEO in question pays income taxes then they can vote.
You just love this class warfare BS don't you crackhead?Comment -
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Obama is just dealing with the mess the Republicans left us:
Two wars,Wall Street, unemployment,housing, states and cities collapsing and carrying with them schools, services,pensions…
It took Japan over a decade to get over its own housing bubble boom and bust. Meanwhile all those socialist countries in Europe are doing better than we are in many aspects, so maybe the problem was the unfettered capitalism-at-any-cost, business-can-do-no-wrong notion of the period from 2001-2009. Even China regulates its markets more than the US did.
He is dealing with something much worse than 9/11, and he deserves at least the same support we gave Bush through his eight years.Comment -
FDR?? lmfaoooo. Raygun mr angry.Originally posted by curiousComment -
I guess you never heard of the Carter Depression. 10% unemployment, 20% interest rates, 12% inflation, 0 money supply.Originally posted by golfrulz
President Reagan saved us.
As the joint economic committee reported in April 2000:
"President Ronald Reagan's record includes sweeping economic reforms and deep across-the-board tax cuts, market deregulation, and sound monetary policies to contain inflation. His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs. As the Joint Economic Committee reported in April 2000:2
In 1981, newly elected President Ronald Reagan refocused fiscal policy on the long run. He proposed, and Congress passed, sharp cuts in marginal tax rates. The cuts increased incentives to work and stimulated growth. These were funda-mental policy changes that provided the foundation for the Great Expansion that began in December 1982.
As Exhibit 1 shows, the economic record of the last 17 years is remarkable, particularly when viewed against the backdrop of the 1970s. The United States has experienced two of the longest and strongest expansions in our history back to back. They have been interrupted only by a shallow eight-month downturn in 1990-91."
Next time you shoot off your mouth maybe you should know what the **** you are talking about.Comment -
Ahhh ok maybe a break through. You guys don't really care that the US gets in wars here and there, just as long as they finish them within a presidential term?Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
It's amazing that some folks just turn their head to these facts...they can't stand them. In Reagan's relection I believe he won 49 states and it was a near dead heat in the 50th. We need to not look away from what worked, we need to return to it.Originally posted by curiousI guess you never heard of the Carter Depression. 10% unemployment, 20% interest rates, 12% inflation, 0 money supply.
President Reagan saved us.
As the joint economic committee reported in April 2000:
"President Ronald Reagan's record includes sweeping economic reforms and deep across-the-board tax cuts, market deregulation, and sound monetary policies to contain inflation. His policies resulted in the largest peacetime economic boom in American history and nearly 35 million more jobs. As the Joint Economic Committee reported in April 2000:2
In 1981, newly elected President Ronald Reagan refocused fiscal policy on the long run. He proposed, and Congress passed, sharp cuts in marginal tax rates. The cuts increased incentives to work and stimulated growth. These were funda-mental policy changes that provided the foundation for the Great Expansion that began in December 1982.
As Exhibit 1 shows, the economic record of the last 17 years is remarkable, particularly when viewed against the backdrop of the 1970s. The United States has experienced two of the longest and strongest expansions in our history back to back. They have been interrupted only by a shallow eight-month downturn in 1990-91."
Next time you shoot off your mouth maybe you should know what the **** you are talking about.Comment -
facts tend to get in the way for some peopleComment -
Originally posted by nasaki
This why voting will never work. People are stupid.Comment -
Here is what you need to do to fix the economy. Find the 1,000,000 richest persons in the US. From the multi-billionaires to the multi-millionaires. Take half their money in taxes in one lump sum. Use the money to create jobs for the 10% that are unemployed. Do not use the money for welfare. Use it to build roads, dams, power plants, parks, schools, hospitals, harbors, etc. Do not use the money to build bombs or chase the illegals out of the country.
The US economy will rebound in 2-3 years using my economic stimulus plan.Comment -
why is everyone blaming bush for these wars, there was no wars when 9-11 happened
do you think there were be any wars if 9-11 DID NOT HAPPEN
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Interesting question WTF.Comment -
Do you think 20 uneducated arabs with no formal training in flying jumbo jets can sneak in to the best country in the world and leave simultaneously from 4 different airports and hijack and crash these jumbo jets at precise targets at the same time by themselves without inside help from the US?Originally posted by wtfComment -
Uh yeah. Do you think they have it stored in warehouses, and you just send in a few trucks to haul away half of it? Did it ever occur to you their net worth is just "on paper," and that this paper sustains millions of private sector jobs?Originally posted by pavyracer
Without even getting into the inefficiency and wastefulness of government, and that this would be a very short term fix, and that you could only do it once because the "rich" will move their assets elsewhere, and that it would completely wreck the nation's economy Zimbabwe style, do you really think an unemployed financial consultant or engineer would want to to work for $10 an hour as a road worker?Use the money to create jobs for the 10% that are unemployed. Do not use the money for welfare. Use it to build roads, dams, power plants, parks, schools, hospitals, harbors, etc. Do not use the money to build bombs or chase the illegals out of the country.
Libtards are such, well, tards,Comment -
Originally posted by pavyracer
back then, easyComment -
OK I get. everyone who doesn't agree with a neocon is a libtard.
Does it ever occur to you that the unemployed engineers will be used to design these projects and not work as road workers?Comment -
So you agree that Bush did nothing to prevent this. He left the country unsecured.Originally posted by DwightShruteComment -
I was a young adult during the Carter Depression. I can distinctly remember President Reagan explaining how he was going to fix the economy. His main policy was to increase the money supply (Volker had basically turned the M1 money supply off). He also talked about how cutting taxes for business owners and upper income taxpayers would stimulate the economy. The President called this "supply side economics", his detractors called it "trickle down economics". The left tried to ridicule President Reagan's fiscal policies by calling them "Voodoo Economics". The idea behind President Reagan's fiscal policy was pretty simple, if people are paying less taxes they have more money to invest in constructive things that create jobs instead of throwing the money down the rathole that is the federal government. And it worked. And the more it worked the more rabid (and insane) the left's denunciation of President Reagan's economic policies became. It is almost as if the left does not want the United States to prosper economically. Studies have proven that every tax dollar given to the federal government takes 3 dollars out of the private economy for investment in things that produce jobs.Originally posted by SBR_John
It is true that Reagan did not keep spending under control to ensure a budget surplus and I fault him for that. But, the economy grew so much larger and healthier from 83 to 99 due to Reagan's fiscal policies that I think the budget deficits were worth the economic growth that was achieved.
Reagan wasn't the first President to promote the trickle down or supply side theory, JFK used it, of course the left would have a stroke if you called JFK's fiscal policies supply side or trickle down, but that's what it was. Coolidge used it also. And each time it worked. Of course, the left tries to blame the depression on Coolidge's fiscal policies. The depression was actually caused by the money supply reductions put in place by Roosevelt, Carter made the exact same mistake and gave us the Carter Depression. If you read up on the GLOBAL depression that started in 29, the US is the only country to call it the Great Depression. The US was affected by the depression far more than the rest of the industrialized world. The reason was the drastic reduction in the money supply coupled with FDR's bone headed social engineering programs which made the depression MUCH worse and made it last much longer than it would have. Read up on the NIRA sometime if you doubt that. What a genius idea that was.
JFK also used investment tax credits which were a big factor in the economic recovery. But Congress killed the goose that lays the golden eggs by eliminating the investment tax credits and making the elimination RETROACTIVE. So, companies made long term investments partly due to the investment tax credits and then Congress comes along and gets rid of them but doesn't grandfather in the investments made under the tax credit law. So, many companies suffered serious financial setbacks due to the investments now being upside down. This is what destroyed the savings and loan industry. Huge investments were made based on tax credits and then Congress with one stroke of the pen did away with the tax credits and thousands of multi million and multi billion dollar projects were now bankrupt and the savings and loan industry had loaned money to build those projects. So, with one stroke of the pen Congress put thousands of companies and the entire S&L industry out of business.
I wish that the American voters would wise up to the fact that this class warfare against business is devastating to our economy because sound fiscal policies such as investment tax credits can never survive the "we have to punish the rich" nonsense that politicians like to spout.
Obama is making all the same mistakes that FDR and Carter made. Social engineering projects, insane policies that change day to day so businesses have no idea how to plan for the future, "punish the rich" policies that make it increasingly harder to compete in a global economy, higher taxes, uncontrolled spending, elimination of tax incentives for investment and creation of jobs in the name of "punish the rich". The only mistake that Obama has not made so far is to restrict the money supply. But with the runaway spending that is going to cause a huge increase in the inflation rate at some point.
One good economic policy that Congress has been trying to get passed, but they even goofed this up (idiots), but Obama is opposed to it, is to put a tax on foreign profits of US companies. Now, I say that Congress goofed it up because this type of tax only works if US companies can repatriate foreign profits with zero tax penalty. That makes US companies with foreign operations have to make a choice: 1) leave the profits overseas and pay a tax, or 2) repatriate the profits and invest them and pay no tax. DUH. Why in the **** would anyone not see the benefit of this and be opposed to it?Comment -
nice try.Originally posted by pavyracer
It has nothing to do with Bush. I can say Clinton had 8 years to secure the airports to prevent it from happening but that too would be weak.Comment -
Clinton could have destroyed al-Qaeda and Bin laden in their early days when they were based in the Sudan. We knew exactly where they were and the Sudanese government was friendly to us. The President of Sudan President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir came to the United States and offered to arrest Bin Laden and the entire al-Qaeda network along with operatives of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad. A major communications and computer operations center for Hezballah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad was in the Sudan.Originally posted by DwightShrute
President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir had all of these groups under close surveillence and offered them to Bill Clinton on a silver platter. And Clinton said no. Here is a link to an article written by the man who was the laison between President Bashir and the Clinton administration in these negotiations. http://www.infowars.com/saved%20page..._bin_laden.htm
So, Pavy the next time you want to blame someone for not protecting the United States against our enemies, blame Bill "I did not have sex with that woman who sucked my dick everyday" Clinton.
Why don't you read some ******* books so that you can know what the **** you are talking about once in a while? ******* idiot.Comment -
Originally posted by curious
good article and the last paragraph says a lot ... Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.Comment
