Obama. Did not vote for him but I'm coming around

[HedgeHog]

Are you familiar with the Constitutional requirements of Presidential election?

Any knowledgeable person would recognize you for the dumbass you are.

Well aware of the Electoral College System and its failure. It originated to protect States rights in the late 18th century, but serves no purpose today. BTW, the Constitution can be amended. Had Gore been rightly elected per popular vote in 2000, Bush would have never been allowed to fukk this country. W/O Bush's eight years, there would be no Iraq War and the national debt would be about half of today's staggering amount.

[DwightShrute]

Well aware of the Electoral College System and its failure. It originated to protect States rights in the late 18th century, but serves no purpose today. BTW, the Constitution can be amended. Had Gore been rightly elected per popular vote in 2000, Bush would have never been allowed to fukk this country. W/O Bush's eight years, there would be no Iraq War and the national debt would be about half of today's staggerring amount.

Al Gore!!

Can you actually imagine him being president????? The guy who claims he invented the internet and travels around in his private jet, polluting the air, with his propaganda bullshit about global warming. Did you watch "the inconvenient truth?" Come on.

Al Gore (IMO) would have been the biggest disaster since Jimmy Carter

[HedgeHog]

I'd trade the 8 years of severe damage caused by Bush for the unknown result of 4-8 years of Gore's presidency.

[ryanXL977]

Al Gore!!

Can you actually imagine him being president????? The guy who claims he invented the internet and travels around in his private jet, polluting the air, with his propaganda bullshit about global warming. Did you watch "the inconvenient truth?" Come on.

Al Gore (IMO) would have been the biggest disaster since Jimmy Carter

when did he claim that he invented the internet?

all i know is this, bush freed iraqis, after killing close to 150k of them, and i think we can all sleep better at night knowing the iraqis are freed. thank god for bush!

[DwightShrute]

I'd trade the 8 years of severe damage caused by Bush for the unknown result of 4-8 years of Gore's presidency.

What severe damage did Bush do? Forget it, I have heard it all. If you believe it, that is your right to do so.

I can think for myself however and refuse to get sucked into the bias media who's agenda was obvious and sadly still is. Common sense is something too many people aren't born with. Some have it but for what ever reason, choose not to exercise it.


Bush is a good man who did a pretty darn good job during his presidency. I know I am right and history will dictate that.

We agree to disagree

[DwightShrute]

when did he claim that he invented the internet?

all i know is this, bush freed iraqis, after killing close to 150k of them, and i think we can all sleep better at night knowing the iraqis are freed. thank god for bush!

Here's what Gore actually said, during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

[Dbldown11]

Don't forget that he has spent more $ in the first 100 days that any other president combined! I call that reckless and selling out the future.

I say that he hasn't shown anything yet to qualify him as a great president other than throwing good $ after bad. Shit, I can do that.

we agree to disagree

I hate useless facts!!!!!

Saying he has spent more money in his first 100 days than any other president in a combined term is USELESS....

It kinda works the same with movie revenues. Like when people say "such and such movie is the highest grossing movie of all time"....Ever wonder why every year there is a new movie that is the highest grossing of all time? I'll tell you: it's because ticket prices continually increase and the population increases year after year.

[Data]

Long before Bush's time. Freddie and Fannie were created way before Bush was elected.

It does not matter when they were created as there is nothing evil in Freddie and Fannie per se. The problem is in the standards they and the other lenders follow and the loose standards were a result of mutual effort by Democratic Congress and should-not-be-called-a-Republican Bush.

Here is some statistics one can gather from

http://www.ffiec.gov/hmdaadwebreport/NatAggWelcome.aspx

The percentage of loans originated out of all loan applications received from applicants with the income of less than 50% of MSA median, by year.
1999 39.7%
2000 40.8%
2001 46.3%
2002 53.0%
2003 55.9%
...
2007 53.2%

The percentage of loans originated out of all loan applications received from applicants with the income of 50%-79% of MSA median, by year.
1999 53.3%
2000 54.9%
2001 61.0%
2002 65.7%
2003 66.0%
...
2007 62.6%

[ryanXL977]

Here's what Gore actually said, during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer:

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

now go ahead and prove him wrong. from what i can tell, he did push the internet , or as it was called, arpanet (used by the military), and he did take the iniative to push it public. at no point did he ever say he invented the internet. stop spewing out things you hear or read. i expect more from a guy who can think for himself and doesnt let the media bias affect him.

was the country in better shape in 2000 or 2008?

[DwightShrute]

I hate useless facts!!!!!

Saying he has spent more money in his first 100 days than any other president in a combined term is USELESS....

It kinda works the same with movie revenues. Like when people say "such and such movie is the highest grossing movie of all time"....Ever wonder why every year there is a new movie that is the highest grossing of all time? I'll tell you: it's because ticket prices continually increase and the population increases year after year.

Great example.

Ya, 17 people went to the 1794 premier of "Sleepless during the Whiskey Rebellion in western Pennsylvania" which grossed $22 nation wide and stayed #1 for 13 weeks in a row ahead of classics like "Fallen Timbers - an Indian resistance" and who could forget the true story "General "Light-Horse Harry" Lee in command".

The movie cost $4 to make and a ticket would cost 2 cents for a family of four.

[DwightShrute]

now go ahead and prove him wrong. from what i can tell, he did push the internet , or as it was called, arpanet (used by the military), and he did take the iniative to push it public. at no point did he ever say he invented the internet. stop spewing out things you hear or read. i expect more from a guy who can think for himself and doesnt let the media bias affect him.

was the country in better shape in 2000 or 2008?

Better in 2000

[Dbldown11]

Great example.

Ya, 17 people went to the 1794 premier of "Sleepless during the Whiskey Rebellion in western Pennsylvania" which grossed $22 nation wide and stayed #1 for 13 weeks in a row ahead of classics like "Fallen Timbers - an Indian resistance" and who could forget the true story "General "Light-Horse Harry" Lee in command".

The movie cost $4 to make and a ticket would cost 2 cents for a family of four.

That's you're response to me? You're going to tell me that the numbers arent screwed? You really are an idiot if you think not

[DwightShrute]

That's you're response to me? You're going to tell me that the numbers arent screwed? You really are an idiot if you think not

That is my response, only because I felt was comparable to your previous response.

Even though I did feel your previous response was stupid and made no sense at all, I did refrain from calling you an idiot.

[Dbldown11]

how my example not make sense??? if you're using an example from 1794 perhaps but how about 1950???

[DwightShrute]

here is what I said and then you replied --


Don't forget that he has spent more $ in the first 100 days that any other president combined! I call that reckless and selling out the future.

I say that he hasn't shown anything yet to qualify him as a great president other than throwing good $ after bad. Shit, I can do that.

we agree to disagree
I hate useless facts!!!!!

Saying he has spent more money in his first 100 days than any other president in a combined term is USELESS....

It kinda works the same with movie revenues. Like when people say "such and such movie is the highest grossing movie of all time"....Ever wonder why every year there is a new movie that is the highest grossing of all time? I'll tell you: it's because ticket prices continually increase and the population increases year after year.

what do I have to comment on?

You said they were usless facts and make a poor example in order to deflect the facts. I called you on it with an equally stupid example and you called me an idiot.

Those are the facts. Again!

[Dbldown11]

they are useless facts....You're telling me the fact that he's spent more money than any other president isnt scewed by inflation and the fact that the larger the population gets the more money you need to spend in order to support that population?!?!?!?!

Just like "highest grossing movie of all time" is screwed by the fact that prices are affected by inflation and demand is affected by population.....Tell me again how that example doesnt make sense please

[Dbldown11]

By the way it's also reflected in the fact that he's spending more money $ wise but it's easier to re-coup that money the larger the population is.....

It's all relative

[Tsoprano]

Fukk the President, let's gamble

[DwightShrute]

they arent useless facts....You're telling me the fact that he's spent more money than any other president isnt scewed by inflation and the fact that the larger the population gets the more money you need to spend in order to support that population?!?!?!?!

Just like "highest grossing movie of all time" is screwed by the fact that prices are affected by inflation and demand is affected by population.....Tell me again how that example doesnt make sense please

Let's not pussyfoot around it. In less than 100 days he has spent more money than ALL presidents combined. That is all I was saying and I can't see how that can ever be a good thing.

You want to compare that with movie revenue? Go ahead but I think it isn't a good comparison. Any level heading thinking person will agree I am sure.

We agree to disagree

[DwightShrute]

....

[Data]

While the absolute numbers could be misleading, national debt to GDP ratio is a valid economic metric. Historically, it has been around 40% and the number for 2008 is 41%. This number is expected to considerably increase by 2019. According to Obama's team the ratio will increase to 67% while the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office forecasts that number to be 82%. The high ratio associated with inflation, lack of credit, economic downturn and a very big burden on a budget due to large interest payments.

[Dbldown11]

Thank you Data that is a valid response to what I said. Good point

[DwightShrute]

President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious. The Washington Post has a great graphic which helps put President Obama’s budget deficits in context of President Bush's

[Dbldown11]

Are you forgetting that Bush didn't include the militarty expenses in Iraq in his budgets while Obama is?

And also those projections may very well improve once you factor in tax changes he is planning on making and other budget cuts he is planning on making.....It's gonna take a lot more than 100 days to judge this president one way or the other

[Thor4140]

What severe damage did Bush do? Forget it, I have heard it all. If you believe it, that is your right to do so.

I can think for myself however and refuse to get sucked into the bias media who's agenda was obvious and sadly still is. Common sense is something too many people aren't born with. Some have it but for what ever reason, choose not to exercise it.


Bush is a good man who did a pretty darn good job during his presidency. I know I am right and history will dictate that.

We agree to disagree

Every time u act like u have common sense and then tell us how great a job Bush did i get a huge chuckle. Please don't ever leave this site. U are priceless.

[andywend]

Thor, how much common sense can you possibly have when you are unable to support yourself and want your government to take from those who can to benefit you?

The democratic party by definition is the party of FAILURE and you are a charter member.

You aren't qualified to shine Dwight's shoes.

[Hotdiggity11]

Who cares about the electoral college at the moment? That issue was so 2000. Obama sure as **** didn't need it.

[Hotdiggity11]

Thor, how much common sense can you possibly have when you are unable to support yourself and want your government to take from those who can to benefit you?

The democratic party by definition is the party of FAILURE and you are a charter member.

You aren't qualified to shine Dwight's shoes.

I want to personally thank the GOP for being such great examples of Conservatism, small government, fiscal responsibility, and Realist international policy. How they lost in 2006 and 2008 when they held so true to their beliefs they touted so strongly while having complete control of the federal government, I could never know.

[Vonnegut]

All politicians should hang. ****ing parasites. Except maybe Ron Paul.

[DwightShrute]

All politicians should hang. ****ing parasites. Except maybe Ron Paul.

he just gets a slap once in awhile

[pavyracer]

Hang 'em high and let 'em rot.

[MilfDriller]

You don't put a monkey in charge of a great nation... that just shows you how stupid Americans are.

[GilbertPOWER]

You don't put a monkey in charge of a great nation... that just shows you how stupid Americans are.

Is this moron talking about Bush? That's not cool at all. He still deserves your respect, even if he is rather ape-ish

[losturmarbles]

Maybe this joke doesn't work any more

....

[DwightShrute]

that's bad !