Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

[Eddy Munny]

You need your head checked gasto..... Most people knew the Heat would win tonight, but only the lunatics claim it was because of a fix.

The Pacers win a nailbiter in game 5 because of a fix. Tonight the Heat win in blowout fashion and it's a fix.

Why exactly would the Heat need help winning a closeout game on their home court? Why was a fix necessary?

I'm interested to know what you think would happen if the league actually let the teams play without unscrupulous intervention. You do realize a true winner might emerge from an untainted basketball game right? You act like if the fix is shelved for a game, the two teams would spontaneously combust and we'd cease to have the NBA playoffs as we know it.

[KVB]

There is no evidence of it or case law for it. Doesn't mean they can do it.

Wrong yet again...the NFL has made and a court has accepted arguments. A precedent that can be extended to all sports entertainment.

[akphidelt]

Wrong yet again...the NFL has made and a court has accepted arguments. A precedent that can be extended to all sports entertainment.

Show me evidence that the nfl or NBA has rigged their games.

[KVB]

Show me evidence that the nfl or NBA has rigged their games.

I am not in that debate, I came here to teach you the law and ask you a question. Over and Over, you can't seem to learn the law, some sort of disability you have, and your answer to my question was a link you never read...shooting yourself in the foot.

I never took a side in your "debate."

And you sounded like an idiot the moment I showed up here, or perhaps a bit before.

[akphidelt]

I am not in that debate, I came here to teach you the law and ask you a question. Over and Over, you can't seem to learn the law, some sort of disability you have, and your answer to my question was a link you never read...shooting yourself in the foot.

I never took a side in your "debate."

And you sounded like an idiot the moment I showed up here, or perhaps a bit before.

There's no law that says they can do it because it has never happened. Surely there are laws protecting players, owners, advertisers, and coaches from the league rigging their games.

[jimbob03]

lol some people have crazy reasons why they lose

[gasto]

Eddy Munny you have no clue. Look at how these games have zig zagged with home teams winning and covering the spread at a very high clip

Can your pea sized brain tell me how it is that a team that has just lost by 20 or more points comes back and by around the same margin just because they are at home.

Don't tell me it's home court advantage otherwise the lines would reflect that. Whenever there seems to be risk less profits all markets adjust to wipe that out. In finance there is a concept called efficient market hypothesis which pretty much says the markets adjust to take care of situations that present abnormal returns. By the way how is your modeling predicting these games since you claim to be a stats guy

If it was pure competition these huge swings would not occur. Pure and simple

By the way if most people knew Miami would win so since books are supposed to balance action who are the fools who were on Indiana. I certainly would not taken even at 20 points spreads. Seen enough to know Vegas gets what it wants. And gullible people like you are high on the list. Try live betting then you will understand how the rig is full in effect.

[timc021]

im convinced eddy munny works for the league...lol
i see on other forums how people are just acting like its normal talking about playing with or against the fix.
its not even a conversation on other forums, its just a known.
lastnight was a result of no fix. just let them play, the league had no intervention and let miami prove
that they are the better team. this whole ECF was a result of the league trying to make Indiana look like
a decent team, but in reality they had to put lebron in "foul trouble" game 5 to stop Miami from winning in Indiana...pretty sad.
I only put 200 on the game lastnight and i wish i put every cent i had on this game because i feel stupid for doubting myself.

[thenry2289]

There has only been 7 teams win the nba championship in a 30 year span.........the nba is filled with the quickest, strongest, youngest, best conditioned athletes in the world but the refs are 60+yrs old with reading glasses and canes. Yea seems 100% unrigged.......LOL

[gasto]

There are trends in these called professional sports that you ignore at your own peril

When a pitcher throws a no hitter, stay away next game or blindly pick the opposite pitcher no matter how bad or good he is. LA dodgers vs Pitt last night ala Beckett. Joe Public thinks oh Beckett is a stud, threw no hitter, back at home, all signals flashing auto bet Dodgers. Vegas got news for you. Not so fast. 2 to 1 advantage gas can Liriano

In financial markets they like to say the trend is your friend. Don't be a hero and try and swim against the tide. It does not matter the fundamentals of the economy, if the markets are on a bull run you go long. Trying to outsmart the market using useless statistics thinking everything reverts back to the mean gets you burned

In the long run you may be correct the problem is in the short run the markets wipe you out all day

The trend suggests OKC rolls and I would tread carefully trying to be smarter than the trend.

[Eddy Munny]

Gasto, you're an idiot, plain and simple. When did I say I was a stats guy anyway? I'm a logic and common sense guy. I'm sorry logic and common sense eludes you. The longer this thread drags on, the more irrational and demented your posts become. It's as if we've all been given a front row seat to witness the mind of a fellow human being succumb to some terrible, degenerative mental disease.

It's beyond me how you can point to last night's Heat victory and think that it supports your case for a fix... and do it with a straight face too. What planet are you broadcasting from? Seriously, you're so far out in left field right now that even the other "riggers" like timc021 have disavowed your claim that the Heat victory was a fix.

Everybody and their mom expected a Miami win last night, but somehow that didn't stop you from hitching your "fixed" wagon to the storyline. All we've learned from this gasto, is that you're cocked, loaded, and ready to decry a rig at any and every possible outcome. That is why you discredit you own case, and why other riggers (who are less batshit) are wincing when you post these unmitigated, paranoid rants.

Furthermore, nobody is insisting that the Spurs will win tonight. So how is the league going to hoodwink everyone with an OKC victory? They're favored for christsakes. Every home has won thus far in that series, so how would a Thunder victory prove a fix? In the event that the Spurs do in fact steal a road win and close out the series tonight, will you be back in here with an admission that there was no fix? We already know the answer to that. People like you cry "fix" if your shoes are untied. There are no limits to how far your maniacal mind will veer you from the path of sanity.

If you were smart at all, you would know that blowout games are bad for the league. That's a fact. For you to think that the NBA prefers blowouts to tightly contested matches is incomprehensible. The conference finals in both East and West have been riddled with lopsided games. That's not compelling. What that is, is an excuse for viewers to change the channel at some point in the 3rd quarter, if not halftime. Is that what the NBA wants, a precipitous drop in ratings because the game doesn't demand viewer attention for four quarters? Does the league want angry sponsors and advertisers, who paid big bucks to air commercials throughout a sporting event they expected would have viewers glued to the TV for the duration of the game?

You really understand nothing about sports or, apparently, ratings and marketing. You know who benefits from blowouts? Guys in their warm-ups at the very end of the bench. That's it. Even Sportscenter loses when blowouts take shape because they can't write segments discussing the late game heroics of so-and-so if the entire fourth quarter was a glorified scrimmage.

Gasto, unfortunately I'm afraid you have a low IQ. This is not a blanket statement aimed at the entire riggers crowd. It is aimed at you. You insist on making vast, illogical leaps, without consideration of other, more rational possibilities. This is a fundamental failure on your part, at the cognitive levels. There is a great deal of reason that must be applied when analyzing outcomes of games, or how they may or may not have been manipulated. But when I read your posts, not a shred of sound reason is contained therein.

I reckon you've never played organized sports in your entire life. Maybe you don't understand the human element, or schematic/personnel changes that occur from game to game. For the average person, it's not difficult to see why one team can win a game, and lose two nights later to the same opponent. Coaches change strategies. Shooting percentages fluctuate. Reggie Jackson gets the start over Sefolosha. Obviously, the venue shifts as well. All these factors and more conspire to create variance within a series. Quit acting like the outcomes of games ought to remain static and unmalleable. Life is not a video game where the "better" team always wins.

Like I said, you simply don't understand sports. You also have a below average IQ. Those two traits combine to give some people some crazy fvkking ideas. I'm sorry that you can't understand why a player can have an off night, without rushing to the conclusion that he must received star treatment from his favorite strip club the night before. It that's how your brain deciphers what you see, than life must be a living hell for you. Good luck with all that.

[The Kraken]

If the games are fixed, it's not by the players. I know this for a fact. So if it's not the players, then who is it? Who else is out there knocking down 3's and making clutch free throws? I'm not doubting anyone, just looking to learn a little bit

[The Kraken]

im convinced eddy munny works for the league...lol
i see on other forums how people are just acting like its normal talking about playing with or against the fix.
its not even a conversation on other forums, its just a known.
lastnight was a result of no fix. just let them play, the league had no intervention and let miami prove
that they are the better team. this whole ECF was a result of the league trying to make Indiana look like
a decent team, but in reality they had to put lebron in "foul trouble" game 5 to stop Miami from winning in Indiana...pretty sad.
I only put 200 on the game lastnight and i wish i put every cent i had on this game because i feel stupid for doubting myself.

So last night was a no-fix but the other games were a fix, got it.

Quick question though, do you ever know before the game if the fix is in and if so, who to bet on? Or do you always find out after the game? Thx

[James Marques]

Gasto, you're an idiot, plain and simple. When did I say I was a stats guy anyway? I'm a logic and common sense guy. I'm sorry logic and common sense eludes you. The longer this thread drags on, the more irrational and demented your posts become. It's as if we've all been given a front row seat to witness the mind of a fellow human being succumb to some terrible, degenerative mental disease.

It's beyond me how you can point to last night's Heat victory and think that it supports your case for a fix... and do it with a straight face too. What planet are you broadcasting from? Seriously, you're so far out in left field right now that even the other "riggers" like timc021 have disavowed your claim that the Heat victory was a fix.

Everybody and their mom expected a Miami win last night, but somehow that didn't stop you from hitching your "fixed" wagon to the storyline. All we've learned from this gasto, is that you're cocked, loaded, and ready to decry a rig at any and every possible outcome. That is why you discredit you own case, and why other riggers (who are less batshit) are wincing when you post these unmitigated, paranoid rants.

Furthermore, nobody is insisting that the Spurs will win tonight. So how is the league going to hoodwink everyone with an OKC victory? They're favored for christsakes. Every home has won thus far in that series, so how would a Thunder victory prove a fix? In the event that the Spurs do in fact steal a road win and close out the series tonight, will you be back in here with an admission that there was no fix? We already know the answer to that. People like you cry "fix" if your shoes are untied. There are no limits to how far your maniacal mind will veer you from the path of sanity.

If you were smart at all, you would know that blowout games are bad for the league. That's a fact. For you to think that the NBA prefers blowouts to tightly contested matches is incomprehensible. The conference finals in both East and West have been riddled with lopsided games. That's not compelling. What that is, is an excuse for viewers to change the channel at some point in the 3rd quarter, if not halftime. Is that what the NBA wants, a precipitous drop in ratings because the game doesn't demand viewer attention for four quarters? Does the league want angry sponsors and advertisers, who paid big bucks to air commercials throughout a sporting event they expected would have viewers glued to the TV for the duration of the game?

You really understand nothing about sports or, apparently, ratings and marketing. You know who benefits from blowouts? Guys in their warm-ups at the very end of the bench. That's it. Even Sportscenter loses when blowouts take shape because they can't write segments discussing the late game heroics of so-and-so if the entire fourth quarter was a glorified scrimmage.

Gasto, unfortunately I'm afraid you have a low IQ. This is not a blanket statement aimed at the entire riggers crowd. It is aimed at you. You insist on making vast, illogical leaps, without consideration of other, more rational possibilities. This is a fundamental failure on your part, at the cognitive levels. There is a great deal of reason that must be applied when analyzing outcomes of games, or how they may or may not have been manipulated. But when I read your posts, not a shred of sound reason is contained therein.

I reckon you've never played organized sports in your entire life. Maybe you don't understand the human element, or schematic/personnel changes that occur from game to game. For the average person, it's not difficult to see why one team can win a game, and lose two nights later to the same opponent. Coaches change strategies. Shooting percentages fluctuate. Reggie Jackson gets the start over Sefolosha. Obviously, the venue shifts as well. All these factors and more conspire to create variance within a series. Quit acting like the outcomes of games ought to remain static and unmalleable. Life is not a video game where the "better" team always wins.

Like I said, you simply don't understand sports. You also have a below average IQ. Those two traits combine to give some people some crazy fvkking ideas. I'm sorry that you can't understand why a player can have an off night, without rushing to the conclusion that he must received star treatment from his favorite strip club the night before. It that's how your brain deciphers what you see, than life must be a living hell for you. Good luck with all that.

[Eddy Munny]

If the games are fixed, it's not by the players. I know this for a fact. So if it's not the players, then who is it? Who else is out there knocking down 3's and making clutch free throws? I'm not doubting anyone, just looking to learn a little bit

You're right, it's not the players. Anybody who thinks otherwise (I'm looking at you Gasto) probably wears a helmet around the house.

Most level headed riggers believe it's the officials. I'm not denying this wholesale. I've said as much in my previous posts. I concede that officiating has provided an unfair advantage for teams in the past, and may occasionally occur present day.

What I am saying though is that this occurs far more seldom than the average rigger will ever admit to. I don't believe there is a systematic approach to officiating games that allows the NBA to hand pick outcomes and "script" storylines. That being said, I'm not naïve enough to believe that corruption doesn't occasionally creep in, as it does in every other walk of life. I just don't think it's so widespread and overpowering that it warrants as much discussion as we constantly see here at SBR.

Look at it this way: I could tell you that the NFL fosters a violent, homicidal mindset in it's players. I could then cite some examples spanning three generations:

O.J. Simpson
Rae Carruth
Aaron Hernandez

Now does this support my premise that the NFL fosters violent, homicidal minds? Of course not, but that's how the riggers promote their case. 2002 WCF was a rig, as was a couple others throughout the NBA's history, so it's rampant and part of the culture.... the story goes.

Likewise, every time there is an unsolved murder case, I could say that I suspect an NFL player was involved. Prove to me I'm wrong. I could say every time I see an unusually violent tackle on the field of play, followed by a menacing grin and self aggrandizement, that that player is a ticking time-bomb and should be monitored closely.

I think that the NBA officials try to do their best for the most part. Calling fouls in real time is a bit different from seeing them replayed in slow motion. You'll often see bad calls plague either team anyways. The NBA has had some corrupt games peppered in over it's decades long history, but that doesn't equate to being on par with the WWE as some riggers claim.

[KVB]

There's no law that says they can do it because it has never happened. Surely there are laws protecting players, owners, advertisers, and coaches from the league rigging their games.

Neither of these two sentences are true.
The first sentence is outright false, and the second, by your use of "surely" implies that you may be slightly aware of the realty that it too is false.

[sballen]

Gasto, you're an idiot, plain and simple. When did I say I was a stats guy anyway? I'm a logic and common sense guy. I'm sorry logic and common sense eludes you. The longer this thread drags on, the more irrational and demented your posts become. It's as if we've all been given a front row seat to witness the mind of a fellow human being succumb to some terrible, degenerative mental disease.

It's beyond me how you can point to last night's Heat victory and think that it supports your case for a fix... and do it with a straight face too. What planet are you broadcasting from? Seriously, you're so far out in left field right now that even the other "riggers" like timc021 have disavowed your claim that the Heat victory was a fix.

Everybody and their mom expected a Miami win last night, but somehow that didn't stop you from hitching your "fixed" wagon to the storyline. All we've learned from this gasto, is that you're cocked, loaded, and ready to decry a rig at any and every possible outcome. That is why you discredit you own case, and why other riggers (who are less batshit) are wincing when you post these unmitigated, paranoid rants.

Furthermore, nobody is insisting that the Spurs will win tonight. So how is the league going to hoodwink everyone with an OKC victory? They're favored for christsakes. Every home has won thus far in that series, so how would a Thunder victory prove a fix? In the event that the Spurs do in fact steal a road win and close out the series tonight, will you be back in here with an admission that there was no fix? We already know the answer to that. People like you cry "fix" if your shoes are untied. There are no limits to how far your maniacal mind will veer you from the path of sanity.

If you were smart at all, you would know that blowout games are bad for the league. That's a fact. For you to think that the NBA prefers blowouts to tightly contested matches is incomprehensible. The conference finals in both East and West have been riddled with lopsided games. That's not compelling. What that is, is an excuse for viewers to change the channel at some point in the 3rd quarter, if not halftime. Is that what the NBA wants, a precipitous drop in ratings because the game doesn't demand viewer attention for four quarters? Does the league want angry sponsors and advertisers, who paid big bucks to air commercials throughout a sporting event they expected would have viewers glued to the TV for the duration of the game?

You really understand nothing about sports or, apparently, ratings and marketing. You know who benefits from blowouts? Guys in their warm-ups at the very end of the bench. That's it. Even Sportscenter loses when blowouts take shape because they can't write segments discussing the late game heroics of so-and-so if the entire fourth quarter was a glorified scrimmage.

Gasto, unfortunately I'm afraid you have a low IQ. This is not a blanket statement aimed at the entire riggers crowd. It is aimed at you. You insist on making vast, illogical leaps, without consideration of other, more rational possibilities. This is a fundamental failure on your part, at the cognitive levels. There is a great deal of reason that must be applied when analyzing outcomes of games, or how they may or may not have been manipulated. But when I read your posts, not a shred of sound reason is contained therein.

I reckon you've never played organized sports in your entire life. Maybe you don't understand the human element, or schematic/personnel changes that occur from game to game. For the average person, it's not difficult to see why one team can win a game, and lose two nights later to the same opponent. Coaches change strategies. Shooting percentages fluctuate. Reggie Jackson gets the start over Sefolosha. Obviously, the venue shifts as well. All these factors and more conspire to create variance within a series. Quit acting like the outcomes of games ought to remain static and unmalleable. Life is not a video game where the "better" team always wins.

Like I said, you simply don't understand sports. You also have a below average IQ. Those two traits combine to give some people some crazy fvkking ideas. I'm sorry that you can't understand why a player can have an off night, without rushing to the conclusion that he must received star treatment from his favorite strip club the night before. It that's how your brain deciphers what you see, than life must be a living hell for you. Good luck with all that.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

[cane]

Eddy Munny gets it, that's all I have to say

[KVB]

Eddy Munny gets it, that's all I have to say

Perhaps, but the original poster, sorority boy, is having trouble "getting it."

[crazykind]

good thread, its amazing to me that so many cry fix when they lose...

i attribute it to the tightness of the lines

[gasto]

Eddy Munny I have two advanced degrees. One in econometrics. You should have at least a PhD in something useful to even dream or suggest I have a low IQ. I work with PhDs not assholes like you.

You clowns were asked to produce the statute that says the NBA can't influence their own games. Still no evidence. Because there is none

Believe what you want but I am sorry you Eddy Munny have shown nothing to make me think my IQ would be anything equal or less to yours. I am done with you fools. Not commenting again.

You think organizations like FIFA are stupid when they have a security dept to check betting trends both before and in game. In this globalized economy you are a fool to think the US is immune to sports fixing.

Get over yourself. The US is not immune. If anything it's even more at risk because it's full of greedy motherfuckers like you whose religion is money

[Eddy Munny]

For those of you droning on and on about their being no law against fixing games in the NBA, that is true but hardly proves your case. No law against it does not = constant exploitation of the very fact.

First of all, is it the NBA's job to enact that law?

Secondly, there are plenty of good reasons why the NBA wouldn't want that law in place and it has nothing to do with fixing games. How many pro sports fans exist in the United States? Easily hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Anyone who has ever watched a game with a rabid fan (not necessarily a bettor) knows that they are not the most objective breed of human being. Every call against their team is bullshit, every video review is wrong, every official is on their deathwish list.

For that very reason, the word "entertainment" is listed on their ticket stubs or we'd have a "class action lawsuit of the week" all year in the NFL and plenty more in the NBA. Just look at how many kooks here at SBR think every passing second in the NBA is part of some screenplay (and a bad one at that). If sports fans/bettors were given power to question the authenticity of every game available, the entire season would be mired in frivolous lawsuits. There'd be a lot of butthurt fans/bettors, not to mention opportunistic vultures, lined up at the courthouse ready to cash in on what they see as an easy handout. The easiest way to keep these clowns at bay, is to tell them straight up what you are watching does not entitle you to legal recourse if you don't like what you see.

But that does not mean the NBA/NFL/MLB etc. has zero accountability. They do not want a reputation marred by scandal. Players were ready to boycott games if Sterling retained ownership, so you can only imagine the outrage the players' union would have if they thought all their hard work and effort was constantly in vain, at the behest of some overriding script that the NBA had drawn up in secret.

Many coaches and players have conditions in their contract that award monetary bonuses for performance. So even despite the absence of a "no rigging" law, a coach would have a civil case against the league if he could prove that a fix was slanted against his team and thus, prevented him from attaining such bonuses. The league is not justified in intentionally undermining an employee's livelihood.

If Doc Rivers could prove that the NBA fixed games against his team and potentially shut him out of the Finals, he'd have a case. His earnings have been meddled with to an unlawful degree. If Vinny Del Negro could prove the fix eventually led to his termination, again, his both current and future earnings have been undermined. I'm sure nobody has the coaches/players sign a contract stating they understand that the business is a predetermined show for entertainment, and that they are simply at the mercy of a "script."

So you see once again, the riggers are trying to submit what amounts to "no-evidence" and pass it off as evidence. There is plenty of liability to be had in the event that the NBA was exposed as a fraud, just not so much with the fans and for good reason.

[The Kraken]

I've always enjoyed the last second, half-court 3 to rig a game for a total. So obvious, NBA. So obvious.

[KVB]

“If you were smart at all, you would know that blowout games are bad for the league. That's a fact. For you to think that the NBA prefers blowouts to tightly contested matches is incomprehensible.”
Is that a fact?There have been many blowouts throughout the years and the league has grown tremendously. I’m not trying to argue that, I’m making a point.
Herein lays the problem…a problem with almost every poster here. Nobody can tell whether sports are “rigged” or not, yet everyone ASSUMES they KNOW the motivation for “rigging” or not “rigging” a game.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what is good for the league and what is bad for the league. What is beneficial and what is not. From what I can see, none of you are.
You are all debating on a low level of the totem pole. This debate about game 7’s and blowouts and home teams, ratings, etc...It is all so shortsighted.It’s like debating republican vs. democrat, if that’s your level of discussion, while you reside with most Americans, it’s just juvenile and misses the point.
It is my opinion almost everyone here is being lazy in their assumptions and then stumbling. How can any of you see the forest when you’re so stuck in the trees?
James Marques was making steps, and he may have an advantage over most of you, but he came down from his high and mistook a simple “good night” for an insult.
Keep your emotions out of it folks. It’s clouding all of your judgments assumptions.
As far as me choosing a “side” or providing some revelation, you’ll have to up your thinking or I’m wasting even MORE time.

KVB

[Eddy Munny]

Eddy Munny I have two advanced degrees. One in econometrics. You should have at least a PhD in something useful to even dream or suggest I have a low IQ. I work with PhDs not assholes like you.

You clowns were asked to produce the statute that says the NBA can't influence their own games. Still no evidence. Because there is none

Believe what you want but I am sorry you Eddy Munny have shown nothing to make me think my IQ would be anything equal or less to yours. I am done with you fools. Not commenting again.

You think organizations like FIFA are stupid when they have a security dept to check betting trends both before and in game. In this globalized economy you are a fool to think the US is immune to sports fixing.

Get over yourself. The US is not immune. If anything it's even more at risk because it's full of greedy motherfuckers like you whose religion is money

Sorry gasto, this doesn't change my opinion of you. Maybe you are a bright individual when in comes to econometrics, but your sports IQ is very low.

My advice? Stick to econometrics.

[packerd_00]

Eddy Munny I have two advanced degrees. One in econometrics. You should have at least a PhD in something useful to even dream or suggest I have a low IQ. I work with PhDs not assholes like you.

You clowns were asked to produce the statute that says the NBA can't influence their own games. Still no evidence. Because there is none

Believe what you want but I am sorry you Eddy Munny have shown nothing to make me think my IQ would be anything equal or less to yours. I am done with you fools. Not commenting again.

You think organizations like FIFA are stupid when they have a security dept to check betting trends both before and in game. In this globalized economy you are a fool to think the US is immune to sports fixing.

Get over yourself. The US is not immune. If anything it's even more at risk because it's full of greedy motherfuckers like you whose religion is money

FIFA is so crooked its a freak in joke,I remember back in 2006 a few of the organizers were caught hording World Cup tickets.

[Eddy Munny]

“If you were smart at all, you would know that blowout games are bad for the league. That's a fact. For you to think that the NBA prefers blowouts to tightly contested matches is incomprehensible.”
Is that a fact?There have been many blowouts throughout the years and the league has grown tremendously. I’m not trying to argue that, I’m making a point.
Herein lays the problem…a problem with almost every poster here. Nobody can tell whether sports are “rigged” or not, yet everyone ASSUMES they KNOW the motivation for “rigging” or not “rigging” a game.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what is good for the league and what is bad for the league. What is beneficial and what is not. From what I can see, none of you are.
You are all debating on a low level of the totem pole. This debate about game 7’s and blowouts and home teams, ratings, etc...It is all so shortsighted.It’s like debating republican vs. democrat, if that’s your level of discussion, while you reside with most Americans, it’s just juvenile and misses the point.
It is my opinion almost everyone here is being lazy in their assumptions and then stumbling. How can any of you see the forest when you’re so stuck in the trees?
James Marques was making steps, and he may have an advantage over most of you, but he came down from his high and mistook a simple “good night” for an insult.
Keep your emotions out of it folks. It’s clouding all of your judgments assumptions.
As far as me choosing a “side” or providing some revelation, you’ll have to up your thinking or I’m wasting even MORE time.

KVB

So what, are we supposed to all believe that you hold the answer and are trying to reveal it to us in riddles? If you've got the 4-1-1 then share it and be done. It's mostly the riggers who are "stuck in the trees."

With a clear overhead view (and assuming storylines are the end game as so many claim), I posited a bulletproof take on these NBA playoffs regarding a terrible oversight on the part of NBA's "ghostwriters." Where the hell are the Clippers? It was a Disney feel good triumph over evil that the NBA could have wrapped themselves in over the next few weeks had they been so inclined to do so. But no, they opted for a tired rerun of previous episodes and, even worse, made them unwatchable, lopsided affairs. So you be the judge.

[Eddy Munny]

FIFA is so crooked its a freak in joke,I remember back in 2006 a few of the organizers were caught hording World Cup tickets.

OK well the word "FIFA" appears nowhere in the title of this thread.

[KVB]

So what, are we supposed to all believe that you hold the answer and are trying to reveal it to us in riddles? If you've got the 4-1-1 then share it and be done. It's mostly the riggers who are "stuck in the trees."

With a clear overhead view (and assuming storylines are the end game as so many claim), I posited a bulletproof take on these NBA playoffs regarding a terrible oversight on the part of NBA's "ghostwriters." Where the hell are the Clippers? It was a Disney feel good triumph over evil that the NBA could have wrapped themselves in over the next few weeks had they been so inclined to do so. But no, they opted for a tired rerun of previous episodes and, even worse, made them unwatchable, lopsided affairs. So you be the judge.

Here we go again, a paragraph of assumptions.

I've given the 4-1-1...up your thinking.

[packerd_00]

OK well the word "FIFA" appears nowhere in the title of this thread.

Well actually smart ass I was replying to the gentlemans post,so keep your nose out. Fixing is universal which is what I brought up to the OP.

[Eddy Munny]

Here we go again, a paragraph of assumptions.

I've given the 4-1-1...up your thinking.

So if we all play along, will you supply us with the answer key at the end, or are you just trying to inject yourself into the conversation while adding nothing of note?

[Eddy Munny]

Well actually smart ass I was replying to the gentlemans post,so keep your nose out. Fixing is universal which is what I brought up to the OP.

[KVB]

So what, are we supposed to all believe that you hold the answer and are trying to reveal it to us in riddles? If you've got the 4-1-1 then share it and be done. It's mostly the riggers who are "stuck in the trees."

With a clear overhead view (and assuming storylines are the end game as so many claim), I posited a bulletproof take on these NBA playoffs regarding a terrible oversight on the part of NBA's "ghostwriters." Where the hell are the Clippers? It was a Disney feel good triumph over evil that the NBA could have wrapped themselves in over the next few weeks had they been so inclined to do so. But no, they opted for a tired rerun of previous episodes and, even worse, made them unwatchable, lopsided affairs. So you be the judge.

Here’s my point…ask yourself, why do you even assume what you do? You’ve allowed someone to point out that a racially charged story is risky and speculative while the “tired rerun of previous episodes” already has a track record of working.
In the non-emotional analytical world, the devil’s advocate here actually sounds a bit more attractive.

Why does everyone consider their assumptions as fact, both sides lose credibility.
Up your thinking…

[Eddy Munny]

Here’s my point…ask yourself, why do you even assume what you do? You’ve allowed someone to point out that a racially charged story is risky and speculative while the “tired rerun of previous episodes” already has a track record of working.
In the non-emotional analytical world, the devil’s advocate here actually sounds a bit more attractive.

Why does everyone consider their assumptions as fact, both sides lose credibility.
Up your thinking…

I'm of the position that it's largely unrigged. That being said, I've tried to refute the riggers and their assumptions. From what I've gathered in this thread, most riggers like the idea of a storyline. So I cited the Clippers, and a few other scenarios, as a counterexample to that particular argument. Not only because of the Sterling angle, but because LA is fresh blood with exciting stars like Paul, Griffin, Crawford, etc. The riggers can't seem to figure that one out.

I'm of the belief that the Clippers didn't advance because they lost to the Thunder, plain and simple.

[sballen]

For those of you droning on and on about their being no law against fixing games in the NBA, that is true but hardly proves your case. No law against it does not = constant exploitation of the very fact.

First of all, is it the NBA's job to enact that law?

Secondly, there are plenty of good reasons why the NBA wouldn't want that law in place and it has nothing to do with fixing games. How many pro sports fans exist in the United States? Easily hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Anyone who has ever watched a game with a rabid fan (not necessarily a bettor) knows that they are not the most objective breed of human being. Every call against their team is bullshit, every video review is wrong, every official is on their deathwish list.

For that very reason, the word "entertainment" is listed on their ticket stubs or we'd have a "class action lawsuit of the week" all year in the NFL and plenty more in the NBA. Just look at how many kooks here at SBR think every passing second in the NBA is part of some screenplay (and a bad one at that). If sports fans/bettors were given power to question the authenticity of every game available, the entire season would be mired in frivolous lawsuits. There'd be a lot of butthurt fans/bettors, not to mention opportunistic vultures, lined up at the courthouse ready to cash in on what they see as an easy handout. The easiest way to keep these clowns at bay, is to tell them straight up what you are watching does not entitle you to legal recourse if you don't like what you see.

But that does not mean the NBA/NFL/MLB etc. has zero accountability. They do not want a reputation marred by scandal. Players were ready to boycott games if Sterling retained ownership, so you can only imagine the outrage the players' union would have if they thought all their hard work and effort was constantly in vain, at the behest of some overriding script that the NBA had drawn up in secret.

Many coaches and players have conditions in their contract that award monetary bonuses for performance. So even despite the absence of a "no rigging" law, a coach would have a civil case against the league if he could prove that a fix was slanted against his team and thus, prevented him from attaining such bonuses. The league is not justified in intentionally undermining an employee's livelihood.

If Doc Rivers could prove that the NBA fixed games against his team and potentially shut him out of the Finals, he'd have a case. His earnings have been meddled with to an unlawful degree. If Vinny Del Negro could prove the fix eventually led to his termination, again, his both current and future earnings have been undermined. I'm sure nobody has the coaches/players sign a contract stating they understand that the business is a predetermined show for entertainment, and that they are simply at the mercy of a "script."

So you see once again, the riggers are trying to submit what amounts to "no-evidence" and pass it off as evidence. There is plenty of liability to be had in the event that the NBA was exposed as a fraud, just not so much with the fans and for good reason.

Bro you're talking too much sense. These riggers cant comprehend a well thought out statement like that.