Banker throwin darts at the NFL (all season!)

freshguy222 · 10-27-12, 08:22 AM

the public relies on the raiders to make a good game, how in hell are the raiders favored over the chiefs on the ROAD?
the raiders barely beat the jaguars who had to play most of the game without their two best players, this team just seems to have given up, they would have lost at home to the jaguars if not for the injuries, they probably thought at halftime, oh my god we cannot lose to maybe the worst team in the nfl without their 2 most important players at home and started to play. but i believe that this team will get embarrassed on the road this week, the chiefs want a home win badly.

freshguy222 · 10-27-12, 08:27 AM

the public relies on the raiders to make a good game, how in hell are the raiders favored over the chiefs on the ROAD?
the raiders barely beat the jaguars who had to play most of the game without their two best players, this team just seems to have given up, they would have lost at home to the jaguars if not for the injuries, they probably thought at halftime, oh my god we cannot lose to maybe the worst team in the nfl without their 2 most important players at home and started to play. but i believe that this team will get embarrassed on the road this week, the chiefs want a home win badly.

Madison · 10-27-12, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

fair enough,,,,tell me what you see in the oak/kc gm fresh... kc wins with run gm and defense? low scoring? i have to decide between Palmer and that fukktard rivers for one of my fantasy teams this week, you like kc convince me

2 games I'd appreciate input as well. I'm adding +/- 13

Oak/KC U 55 (QB's not gonna kill me right? and KC will pound the rock until forced otherwise).

SD Clv O 30.5 ... SD might get 30, but their just a team I've always had trouble with.

jinxpro13 · 10-28-12, 12:41 AM

bank just wanted to post 3 props i just dropped moneys on...lets cash!!

ryan matthews over 82.5 yards
chris johnson over 94.5 yards
brandon lloyd over 58.5 yards

groovybrandone · 10-28-12, 01:25 AM

jinx props! $$

2daBank · 10-28-12, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by Madison

2 games I'd appreciate input as well. I'm adding +/- 13

Oak/KC U 55 (QB's not gonna kill me right? and KC will pound the rock until forced otherwise).

SD Clv O 30.5 ... SD might get 30, but their just a team I've always had trouble with.

as i said i really think i could give a handful of scenarios in the oak/kc gm and none of them would shock me, id have to give a pretty unlikely one to get over that number, like quinn and bowe have some great chemistry and just go off against a shoddy oaktown d, then palmer and moore do their thing against a kc team that has been hit with some big plays (i think), throw in a few inevitable turnovers and a special teams score and still i think it would stay under 55....

i actually lean over in sd/cle w/o the tease, a little curious to me how much the number is dropping, is cle in line to get effected by hurricane? i mean i like sd front 7 but i think you can pass on them and cle seems pretty willing to chuck it around,,if norv lets him mathews will go ape shit on this cle run d..for your purposes someone will hit 20 at least and other team wont be that far behind...i am curious about this total tho so im gonna look at it some more..

2daBank · 10-28-12, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by jinxpro13

bank just wanted to post 3 props i just dropped moneys on...lets cash!!

ryan matthews over 82.5 yards
chris johnson over 94.5 yards
brandon lloyd over 58.5 yards

off top of my head i like 1st 2,,,,long as norv lets mathews loose he should eat cle up,,,cj1k outta have field day vs indy, both seem pretty no brainer...lloyd against rams i wouldnt bet, but im no prop guy so i could be wrong but if i was pats i would attack the middle of the field with welker/gronk/ and their rbs all day against stl...

2daBank · 10-28-12, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by freshguy222

the public relies on the raiders to make a good game, how in hell are the raiders favored over the chiefs on the ROAD?
the raiders barely beat the jaguars who had to play most of the game without their two best players, this team just seems to have given up, they would have lost at home to the jaguars if not for the injuries, they probably thought at halftime, oh my god we cannot lose to maybe the worst team in the nfl without their 2 most important players at home and started to play. but i believe that this team will get embarrassed on the road this week, the chiefs want a home win badly.

i never put to much stock into how a team looked the week before, sure they were flat but i think it premature to think they have given up. id expect a better effort this week...last time kc was at home their fans were booing the living shit out of them and cheering when players got hurt so not sure what kind of adv arrowhead holds right now...kc is off a bye which is good and ive said before i think their d is better than they have played, is romeo the guy to right the ship on a bye? can quinn win a nfl gm? to many questions for me...

2daBank · 10-28-12, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Madison

2 games I'd appreciate input as well. I'm adding +/- 13

Oak/KC U 55 (QB's not gonna kill me right? and KC will pound the rock until forced otherwise).

SD Clv O 30.5 ... SD might get 30, but their just a team I've always had trouble with.

Originally posted by 2daBank

as i said i really think i could give a handful of scenarios in the oak/kc gm and none of them would shock me, id have to give a pretty unlikely one to get over that number, like quinn and bowe have some great chemistry and just go off against a shoddy oaktown d, then palmer and moore do their thing against a kc team that has been hit with some big plays (i think), throw in a few inevitable turnovers and a special teams score and still i think it would stay under 55....

i actually lean over in sd/cle w/o the tease, a little curious to me how much the number is dropping, is cle in line to get effected by hurricane? i mean i like sd front 7 but i think you can pass on them and cle seems pretty willing to chuck it around,,if norv lets him mathews will go ape shit on this cle run d..for your purposes someone will hit 20 at least and other team wont be that far behind...i am curious about this total tho so im gonna look at it some more..

madison it looks like weather will play a part in the sd/cle gm, i see rain and pretty decent winds in forecast which would explain the total drop...maybe Biff can give us a more accurate update when he gets up! not that any of this would stop it from going over 30.5 but was curious on this total myself...

i am actually starting to lean to the shit i wrote above about what it would take to get points in oak/kc gm..while i agree kc will wanna run and then run some more one would think if you are oak you come in looking to take this away (who wouldnt look at quinn and stack the box?), not to mention raiders run d hasnt been bad, but their secondary has! we talking about a group that was on the verge of convincing jax brass that maybe they didnt fukk up drafting Gabbert (not good) as he was carving them until he got hurt,,if you give me Bowe and Baldwin vs oak secondary there a good chance i put up decent numbers and im gonna assume quinn while bad is still better than me, if im kc i take some shots early and let quinn get in the groove against a team that allows opposing qbs to complete 67% of their passes...

on other side oak simply chucks the ball up a lot! 5th most in the league matter of fact at over 40 attempts per gm (prob a lot can be attested to fact they are trailing quite a bit but id expect kc to come out with intensity and take a lead),,while they not overly efficient they have speed to burn on the outside and kc has been plagued by coverage breakdowns leading to big plays in the passing gm, think dhb is healthy again and teamed with moore that a big play waiting to happen..whether oak connecting on passes or not every pass 2 bad things happen, chance for big play or another clock stoppage...in the end i really think this turns out to be a close gm and both teams hit 20, by my math if they both have 20 at some point it gotta go over 42....obviously im not saying they get enough to beat your teaser number as 55 would take a lot,,,just started rambling thoughts after you asked and turns out it looks like im playing this over..

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 06:32 AM

shaking off the cobwebs. knew i should've doubled my Utah bet before going to that dumb party. i mean, that awesome party.

Cleveland weather report: cold weather has moved in overnight. it's not raining at my house right now (i'm about 8-10 miles SE from downtown). weather generally moved from west to east along the lake anyway, so it moves from downtown to my house. we're looking at 90% chance of rain all day with wind about 20 mph from the north. too bad there isn't a Tribe game, because other than the rain delay aspect, you could book under 5' on any pitching matchup and feel good about in this weather. visibility might also be an issue. i am not going to the game. thank goodness, as it will not be pleasant.

weather definitely explains the total drop. if i had to tease a total 13, it'd be Redskins/Stillers over. weather has me concerned about playing totals in general today.

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

wow this forum is littered with more moronic trash than normal this week, half of it by the same dipshits that claim to kill nfl yr after yr but all ive seen them do is post losers week after week, you can spot these jerkoffs from a mile away as they insist on making a thread about every gm and inside said thread is nothing but flat out ignorance...holy shit, it like it their goal to have the whole front page littered with fukkin junk, makes you think we should encourage more abortion in this country...

2daBank · 10-28-12, 06:39 AM

Biff is that a crosswind or the opposite of crosswind (genius right, but ya know what im saying, lol)

2daBank · 10-28-12, 06:46 AM

well i believe i have inadvertently talked myself into a over just by responding to a question,,lol..

oak/kc ov 42 1.5x

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by jinxpro13

bank just wanted to post 3 props i just dropped moneys on...lets cash!!

ryan matthews over 82.5 yards
chris johnson over 94.5 yards
brandon lloyd over 58.5 yards

like your Mathews prop a lot. Ahtaya Rubin is out for Browns and with Phil Taylor already hurt, that DL will get shoved around. Browns allow 133 ypg rushing. pretty easy to see Mathews getting 100, esp given the weather. BOL to you today.

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Biff is that a crosswind or the opposite of crosswind (genius right, but ya know what im saying, lol)

good question. i should've clarified. while this is the type of wind that would stone cold fk up a Tribe game, for a Browns game, it will be a crosswind, but may not be a major issue. the reason is that new Browns Stadium was built to be largely closed off in the corners to minimize he impact of wind from the north/NW (which is pretty much where it comes from all winter). so, this is a crosswind, but the impact will be mitigated because of the structure of the stadium. a big time wind from the south can really mess with passing game. so, while the wind is relevant today, i don't see it being a major factor (Weeden and Rivers should be able to make most throws unaffected). the fact that it might be a fine mist over everything is a bigger concern.

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

good question. i should've clarified. while this is the type of wind that would stone cold fk up a Tribe game, for a Browns game, it will be a crosswind, but may not be a major issue. the reason is that new Browns Stadium was built to be largely closed off in the corners to minimize he impact of wind from the north/NW (which is pretty much where it comes from all winter). so, this is a crosswind, but the impact will be mitigated because of the structure of the stadium. a big time wind from the south can really mess with passing game. so, while the wind is relevant today, i don't see it being a major factor (Weeden and Rivers should be able to make most throws unaffected). the fact that it might be a fine mist over everything is a bigger concern.

awesome,,dat that good shit i was looking for....i never really let rain bother me to much it that damn wind...think i can go back to taking a look at this over as if passing gms wont be hurt by wind we actually getting a favor in line drop,,,maybe even better cause butter finger phil will sure cough up a wet ball once or twice..and i kinda lean cle but think they have to throw to win and was worried bout weeden, of coarse his wrs have a hard enough time catching a dry ball, lol..

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

awesome,,dat that good shit i was looking for....i never really let rain bother me to much it that damn wind...think i can go back to taking a look at this over as if passing gms wont be hurt by wind we actually getting a favor in line drop,,,maybe even better cause butter finger phil will sure cough up a wet ball once or twice..and i kinda lean cle but think they have to throw to win and was worried bout weeden, of coarse his wrs have a hard enough time catching a dry ball, lol..

well, at least they won't lose the ball in the sun this week....

okay, so i love the Eagles this week. i could go -2' -125, but if i'm going to do that, might as well go ML at -145. thinking about wrapping it with NE ML, which gets me +124. whattaya think? Eagles ML by themselves or with Pats? between you and Madison, i think that i should be able to figure out if Rams have any chance of knocking off Pats in London. seems to me that Pats can't allow themselves to lose this one SU, and Rams probably lack the weapons on offense to pull the upset. thoughts?

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

well, at least they won't lose the ball in the sun this week....

okay, so i love the Eagles this week. i could go -2' -125, but if i'm going to do that, might as well go ML at -145. thinking about wrapping it with NE ML, which gets me +124. whattaya think? Eagles ML by themselves or with Pats? between you and Madison, i think that i should be able to figure out if Rams have any chance of knocking off Pats in London. seems to me that Pats can't allow themselves to lose this one SU, and Rams probably lack the weapons on offense to pull the upset. thoughts?

id be amazed if rams won,,things pats do offensively prob rams biggest weakness on d,,other side i have no idea if Bradford can keep up, pats secondary has issues... ,i really just avoided much thought on this gm as think the whole London bs just brings more unknowns into it.... there no way i can tell you pats ml a bad play for whatever reason i just stayed far away from....

i was thinking pit/phi but i really like steelers this week....

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:20 AM

like i said somewhere in here after i played it, "was prob a bad move betting steelers when i did", dont get me wrong i like them but should have just held out as i got shitty line (apparently world doesnt agree with the -6 i made it, lol)..was dumb to bet when i did as @-4.5 what was worst that could happen? who cares if it moved to -5 and i grabbed (duh) but the -4 or possible less by kick would have been worth waiting for...got little to excited after i capped it whenever i did...

dont mind me im just berating myself to myself!

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

id be amazed if rams won,,things pats do offensively prob rams biggest weakness on d,,other side i have no idea if Bradford can keep up, pats secondary has issues... ,i really just avoided much thought on this gm as think the whole London bs just brings more unknowns into it.... there no way i can tell you pats ml a bad play for whatever reason i just stayed far away from....

i was thinking pit/phi but i really like steelers this week....

so many possibilities. i did consider Stillers are parlay partner. here are my current thoughts (hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread):

Mathews over rushing yards (waiting for 5D to put up to see if can get better number, but 1* or 2* here)
Eagles ML (either straight -145 or in parlay with Stillers or Pats at strong plus money) - 3* here
- also like Falcons TT under 20 but probably pass and go heavy on Eagles ML play
Lions -2'
Dolphins, Cowboys, Pats, Lions all look like good teaser material (MIA +8'/DAL +8' sounds solid)
Saints +6 tonight

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

like i said somewhere in here after i played it, "was prob a bad move betting steelers when i did", dont get me wrong i like them but should have just held out as i got shitty line (apparently world doesnt agree with the -6 i made it, lol)..was dumb to bet when i did as @-4.5 what was worst that could happen? who cares if it moved to -5 and i grabbed (duh) but the -4 or possible less by kick would have been worth waiting for...got little to excited after i capped it whenever i did...

dont mind me im just berating myself to myself!

i wouldn't worry about that too much. all you have done, likely, is risked a push. the move from 5' to 4 was all over dead numbers and probably didn't meet much resistance, esp with Skins public darlings. Stillers ML has barely moved.

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 07:26 AM

well, my morning is taking a detour. kids are stir crazy and want breakfast, gonna go get some eats, back around 9:45 or 10 to get back to finalizing this card. that said, i think that i've sketched out something above that i like. maybe two ML parlays, PHI/PIT and PHI/NE? then MIA/DAL teaser? i know you're gonna probably talk me out of Lions too.

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

so many possibilities. i did consider Stillers are parlay partner. here are my current thoughts (hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread):

Mathews over rushing yards (waiting for 5D to put up to see if can get better number, but 1* or 2* here)
Eagles ML (either straight -145 or in parlay with Stillers or Pats at strong plus money) - 3* here
- also like Falcons TT under 20 but probably pass and go heavy on Eagles ML play
Lions -2'
Dolphins, Cowboys, Pats, Lions all look like good teaser material (MIA +8'/DAL +8' sounds solid)
Saints +6 tonight

i highjack your threads constantly! only reason i started thread so we could have spot to talk

i would love for you guys to hit that mathews prop as i need him in fantasy, pretty sure im to superstitious to bet a prop on a guy on my fantasy team, seriously..lol

pissed i didnt just play philly earlier in week as that 1st gm i talked bout, kept screwing around hoping to get it cheaper at some point,, trying to convince myself to suck it up and pay the -140 even tho i hate juice in nfl..really believe phi wins...

most the week i leaned seachickens but someone pointed out few things i didnt consider and now im totally off sea, havnt decided if i can flip all way around and bet lions but now it either them or pass for me..

i teased chi-2 and mia+8.5 early in week (actually little scared of bears but what done is done)..i said pretty early on if dal got up to +3 i would more than likely play them, shocked it gonna get there but looking that way so guess they really want my money, lol..

page or 2 back i posted lot bout saints/den gm, i lean den as i think they win but line seems so tight to me, still not sure what im doing on that gm..

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

i wouldn't worry about that too much. all you have done, likely, is risked a push. the move from 5' to 4 was all over dead numbers and probably didn't meet much resistance, esp with Skins public darlings. Stillers ML has barely moved.

yea, just knew wouldnt hurt to wait...maybe to hard on myself...but hell i made it -6....skins d cant get off field on 3rd down, big ben owns 3rd down, skins secondary terrible, rookie qb vs lebeau, a rookie that has yet to see a 3-4,,field gonna be trash which i would think would negate some of rg3 speed,,,i dont know how the hell anyone could get behind skins today?

2daBank · 10-28-12, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by BiffTFinancial

well, my morning is taking a detour. kids are stir crazy and want breakfast, gonna go get some eats, back around 9:45 or 10 to get back to finalizing this card. that said, i think that i've sketched out something above that i like. maybe two ML parlays, PHI/PIT and PHI/NE? then MIA/DAL teaser? i know you're gonna probably talk me out of Lions too.

earlier in week i thought i had decent case for seachickens but someone pointed few things out i really didnt consider and believe he was right,,,,hard to totally flip but i agree lions or nothing.

BiffTFinancial · 10-28-12, 07:41 AM

okay, back in a bit, but thinking something like

PHI ML + NE ML (+124)
PHI ML + PIT ML (+146)
Lions -2'
Mathews rush yd over
tease: MIA + DAL

2daBank · 10-28-12, 08:03 AM

plays so far..

pit-4.5 1.5x

indy/ten ov 46.5 1x

oak/kc ov 42 1.5x

2 team 6 point teaser 2.2 to 2

mia+8.5
chi-2

feel free to go back and look over last few pages as everything so far has been pretty well discussed i believe, just bringing all these up to here as it was getting hard to find them,,not that it really matters as always i think the discussion is more important than anything i play or not... still debating on a few, still to early for the mush to have called (cant wait to see who he likes tho

), still havnt talked to my brother much this week,,,still willing to discuss anything anyone wants to as im not doing much for next couple/few hours...

2daBank · 10-28-12, 08:07 AM

2 team ml parlay..+153 .75 to 1.15

pit ml
phi ml

Madison · 10-28-12, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

as i said i really think i could give a handful of scenarios in the oak/kc gm and none of them would shock me, id have to give a pretty unlikely one to get over that number, like quinn and bowe have some great chemistry and just go off against a shoddy oaktown d, then palmer and moore do their thing against a kc team that has been hit with some big plays (i think), throw in a few inevitable turnovers and a special teams score and still i think it would stay under 55....

i actually lean over in sd/cle w/o the tease, a little curious to me how much the number is dropping, is cle in line to get effected by hurricane? i mean i like sd front 7 but i think you can pass on them and cle seems pretty willing to chuck it around,,if norv lets him mathews will go ape shit on this cle run d..for your purposes someone will hit 20 at least and other team wont be that far behind...i am curious about this total tho so im gonna look at it some more..

Thanks 2DB. Total opened at 46 and now 43.5. Got me scratching my head as well. Thought over was cinch in week 3 vs Atl and SD put up a whopping 3 at home??? They've not been good to me over the last few years.

Madison · 10-28-12, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

off top of my head i like 1st 2,,,,long as norv lets mathews loose he should eat cle up,,,cj1k outta have field day vs indy, both seem pretty no brainer...lloyd against rams i wouldnt bet, but im no prop guy so i could be wrong but if i was pats i would attack the middle of the field with welker/gronk/ and their rbs all day against stl...

LLoyd prop ... Also, he dropped a few balls last week. Belicheck/brady tend more to go away from a poor performance the following week than back to it. # of opps would be my concern.

Madison · 10-28-12, 08:21 AM

2DB ... Clv/SD weather. Thx! nflweather.com says

Rain, mainly after noon. High near 50. Breezy, with a north wind 18 to 22 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.

You have to be very careful there though as having not read the "details" the main page says "overcast".

Madison · 10-28-12, 08:24 AM

Chi ... chance shower. wind 15-20 mph gusts to 30.

Madison · 10-28-12, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Madison

Chi ... chance shower. wind 15-20 mph gusts to 30.

Main page says "mostly cloudy"

2daBank · 10-28-12, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Madison

LLoyd prop ... Also, he dropped a few balls last week. Belicheck/brady tend more to go away from a poor performance the following week than back to it. # of opps would be my concern.

then throw in rams corners and i would think Lloyd would be the odd man out,,,suppose stl could choose to shadow welker with Finnegan then that would leave jenkins on lloyd, jenkins is talented as hell but is a rookie and has been caught "peaking" a few times lately, and 58.5 yrds it only takes 1 big one really so not like i hate it but i agree they love to doghouse guys and overall gmplan would make more sense attacking middle anyway (which what pats do best)..

2daBank · 10-28-12, 08:28 AM

madison this is where i go..

http://www.wunderground.com/sports/NFL/

if you click on event details it will give hour to hour and wind speed and such..