John Morrison 2012-13 NBA Thread

[parlay100]

I found my error, thanks for posting this. There were 4 games which I qualified based on M/L when the lines were low, instead of giving the favorite + points. I didn't see how we handled that situation in any of the 7/5 description posts, so I just assumed we did it the same way as JM does. Those 4 games would have resulted in 2 wins and two losses. Other than that, everything I had was the same as that spreadsheet.

The new counts for 2011-12 are:

7/5: +131.32 units
1-7-5: +158.92 units

Thanks for getting back to me. Now all seasons should be correct from here on.

Can anyone send me a late Christmas gift and explain what the 7/5 and the 1-7-5 system is??

[brewersMKE]

Im losing my ass on the nba lately, as a 10-20$ per game better with parlays in the mix, im down $250.00 today starts a new page i gotta win a couple games lol

[clamchowder]

Im losing my ass on the nba lately, as a 10-20$ per game better with parlays in the mix, im down $250.00 today starts a new page i gotta win a couple games lol

Discipline goes a long way young grasshopper. Stick with stevex and wallco's plays and you'll be ok. But ones must learn how to be discilpined.

[clamchowder]

looks like today we got:

v2 raptors
v3 heat

Are these official plays? Is stevex on vacation?

[MARCUS]

Im losing my ass on the nba lately, as a 10-20$ per game better with parlays in the mix, im down $250.00 today starts a new page i gotta win a couple games lol

...money management is more important than w/l %..we all know guy's who if given 80-90% winners would
still find a way 2 lose via..there own pic's..the casino..women,booze,dope all of the above..they all got me,
every time...my 40th year at this..i lost or broke even at best the 1st 27 or 28 just like 98% of all bettors do..money management is all u need..and the determination 2 become a 2%'er..u have winning systems right here..bol

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2012-13 System to date: 28-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +28.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 0

v1 Plays
(A) 19-9
(B) 5-4
(C) 4-0
(D) 0-0



Games for for (12/26/12):
#29 Miami @ Charlotte (+9½) (A) (7:05 pm EST)


We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.

[Wallco99]

Can anyone send me a late Christmas gift and explain what the 7/5 and the 1-7-5 system is??

Post # 149 describes 7/5. I am currently working on the 1-7-5, so there will be no data on this until I am complete.

[parlay100]

Post # 149 describes 7/5. I am currently working on the 1-7-5, so there will be no data on this until I am complete.

thank you.

[J.M. Disciple]

looks like today we got:

v2 raptors
v3 heat

confirmed.

Tor (+16) 3 points bought
Mia (-6.5) 3 points bought

Both A-bets

[groovybrandone]

confirmed.

Tor (+16) 3 points bought
Mia (-6.5) 3 points bought

Both A-bets

are these the plays stevex would be posting?

[stevex]

Yes will be posting official chart in a few minutes.

[stevex]

JM Traditional System

12/26/2012

V1

Current chase record W/OUT buying points: 18-1-1
Current chase record WITH buying 3 points: 19-1
Current series pending: 0

V2

Current chase record W/OUT buying point: 8-1
Current chase record WITH buying 3 points: 8-1
Current series pending: 0

V3

Current chase record W/OUT buying points: 24-1-3
Current chase record WITH buying 3 points: 28-0
Current series pending: 2

1. Miami Heat A Bet -9.5 @ Charlotte Bobcats
Miami Heat A Bet (since >-3 play ML) @ Charlotte Bobcats

2. Toronto Raptors A Bet +13 @ San Antonio Spurs
Toronto Raptors A Bet (with buying 3 points) +16 @ San Antonio Spurs

[BuckeyeKaptn]

JM Traditional System

1
Current chase record W/OUT buying points: 24-1-3
Current chase record WITH buying 3 points: 28-0
Current series pending: 2

1. Miami Heat A Bet -9.5 @ Charlotte Bobcats
Miami Heat A Bet (since >-3 play ML) @ Charlotte Bobcats

2. Toronto Raptors A Bet +13 @ San Antonio Spurs
Toronto Raptors A Bet (with buying 3 points) +16 @ San Antonio Spurs

Where's the NYK, Phoenix "B" Bet? NYK +4 v LaL Lost. The way I understood this is that you weren't adding 3 points for the system.

[Mrscofield25]

Where's the NYK, Phoenix "B" Bet? NYK +4 v LaL Lost. The way I understood this is that you weren't adding 3 points for the system.

There are no B bet for them. Look in post #1597.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

There are no B bet for them. Look in post #1597.

Read my post clearer, please. The way I understood this system is that NO POINTS WERE ADDED to the line for THE SYSTEM. Your post has 3 points added. Not being an idiot, that's what I thought, and have been following. I've read the beginning of thread 3 times before I started into it and asking questions. Got the excell file, all that. The 3 points added weren't supposed to be added but Steve said he would add that part but it isn't what we were to follow. I can only add 2 points anyway.

[Mrscofield25]

Read my post clearer, please. The way I understood this system is that NO POINTS WERE ADDED to the line for THE SYSTEM. Your post has 3 points added. Not being an idiot, that's what I thought, and have been following. I've read the beginning of thread 3 times before I started into it and asking questions. Got the excell file, all that. The 3 points added weren't supposed to be added but Steve said he would add that part but it isn't what we were to follow. I can only add 2 points anyway.

Maybe Stevex just forgot it. But you are right, NYK should be a B bet without buying 3 points, today. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was my fault.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

No prob, I went and started reading the thread over again (alot of whining back then!!) to see if I missed something. So far, it looks like it's personal preference, but no point buying for 7/5 and Chase. I have the excel file and will continue to follow it.
(edit) Went all the way to post #419. I guess whoever J Morrison is (and no one likes him and his system) adds 3 points to inflate his W/L record. As to our thread, it's preference for steve's post, no points for limits and wallcos.

[stanggt3]

^--------------JM Disciple is a moron who has tried to hijack the thread. He said he was going to stop posting before, yet he comes back and clogs the thread with more bullshit.

On another note. Haven't seen TheLimit on today. Any official plays ?

[Wallco99]

To clarify a few last minute items, there are no 7/5 plays, and YES, NY Knicks are a "B" bet if playing the traditional JM system without buying the three points. The buying three points method won yesterday, but the ATS method lost.

[J.M. Disciple]

^--------------JM Disciple is a moron who has tried to hijack the thread. He said he was going to stop posting before, yet he comes back and clogs the thread with more bullshit.

On another note. Haven't seen TheLimit on today. Any official plays ?

Are trolls ever capable of not being spoon fed? "Any official plays?" Who is the moron now? At least I know the plays LOL!!!

Even though people have hard time with me in the thread, I contribute more than all you trolls who just bitch and whine about not being spoon fed. Freaking download the excel file and learn the rules. If there are no official John mOrrison traditional B or C plays, then obviously there can not be any 7/5 plays.

NYK only qualifies for 1/3/5 and labby plays. As well as traditional jm with out buying 3 points which is break even long term. If you are not running a labby or playing 7/5 why do you care if NYK is a play?

[BuckeyeKaptn]

I don't know about long term, following the JM Trad now is positive units for me. It's not a 7/5 play but it is a JM (not buying points) play. I don't know why it matters whether I (or anyone) plays a labby (I don't) or 7/5 (I do) or a 2/3 or 2/6 betting systems...or just plain bet the same units over and over. It's the B bet, so i'm playing it as the "3" in a 1-3-5....MY choice. Someone else might just bet 1 unit over and over on the 3 systems bets, their prerogative...they won't make $$$ but don't tell them what to do. You can only guide a horse to water, you can't force them to drink. JM trad is up 15 or so units by itself (for me) since I have started.

As well as traditional jm with out buying 3 points which is break even long term. If you are not running a labby or playing 7/5 why do you care if NYK is a play?

Just didn't care for ^^ this statement.

[thelimit0310]

My fault not getting on today for an official posting. I've been out of town for the holidays and have just been very busy with family. I've settled back in today and official posting will go on. Wallco is correct there are no 7/5 plays today

[J.M. Disciple]

Buckeye you are correct. can't force anyone to do anything.

If not buying points was profitable in a standard martingale chase then there would be no point in having that filter.

Good luck

[Kev the Brit]

<snip>
If not buying points was profitable in a standard martingale chase then there would be no point in having that filter.<snip>

I quite agree, if the bettor is playing traditional JM ABC. Other variants, such as 7/5 (where additional series losses, due to no points buying, are accounted for) is a different matter.

Kev

[Wallco99]

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2012-13 System to date: 28-0 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +28.00 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

(12/26/12):
#29 Charlotte (+9) (A) - Loss

v1 Plays
(A) 19-10
(B) 5-4
(C) 4-0
(D) 0-0



There are no system plays for (12/27/12)
#29 Resumes (B) on 12/28/12


We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.

[alexknyc]

If not buying points was profitable in a standard martingale chase then there would be no point in having that filter.

Isn't that a JM filter? He doesn't give a shit whether it's profitable. He cares if it makes him 30-1 instead of 27-4.

Profitability is a side effect, not a cause.

[hagball52]

Isn't that a JM filter? He doesn't give a shit whether it's profitable. He cares if it makes him 30-1 instead of 27-4.

Profitability is a side effect, not a cause.

Ditto

[thelimit0310]

7/5 Plays DEC 26

No Plays

7/5 Plays DEC 27

No Plays

Results:
Bet 1: 7-8
Bet 2: 5-3
Utah 11/2
Portland 11/25
Boston 12/14

Toronto series will begin tomorrow 12/28

[BuckeyeKaptn]

I quite agree, if the bettor is playing traditional JM ABC. Other variants, such as 7/5 (where additional series losses, due to no points buying, are accounted for) is a different matter.

Kev

See? I don't know what the "traditional JM ABC" is!!! I found this thread at the end of last year and caught back into in November. You guys are a heck of alot smarter than I with your betting talk!!! I had to figure out what Fade and Lay the points etc were.!!! I've been wagering for 15 years and up until last year didn't know betting systems. This year, following this and other threads, I've tripled my bankroll in 2 plus months. Love it!!! That's why I put out that NYK/Phoe B bet question out there, thought I was lost again, HA!!!
And Kev, my name is Kevin too. I see your signature at the end of your posts and think you're talking to me!!!

Kevin the Buckeye (Kaptn)...lol

[MARCUS]

I've tripled my bankroll in 2 plus months.......u leave it in..compound it..increase your unit size accordingly..you'll have

a million + $$$..in 4 years..cash outside the us banking system..it does not get any better!!..stick with it..bol...

[J.M. Disciple]

If your curious to how not buying 3 points affects the profits maybe ask wallco for his 1-3-5 back test record. Just take the losses and multiple it by 8. Lose about 8 units a series; take that number and subtract it from the total wins and that will tell you if not buying 3 points is profitable. If I had the record in front of me I would do it myself.

So, wallco if you would please provide any record you have from your back test of 1-3-5. Just overall record. Wilba or someone else may have it as well.

Just want to put an end to this "not buying 3 point" thing.

[BuckeyeKaptn]

Aahhh, not worried about it. I got it now, and besides, I can only buy up to 2 points. Though, buying that would have helped a few games the past couple days.

[Kev the Brit]

If your curious to how not buying 3 points affects the profits maybe ask wallco for his 1-3-5 back test record. Just take the losses and multiple it by 8. Lose about 8 units a series; take that number and subtract it from the total wins and that will tell you if not buying 3 points is profitable. If I had the record in front of me I would do it myself.

So, wallco if you would please provide any record you have from your back test of 1-3-5. Just overall record. Wilba or someone else may have it as well.

Just want to put an end to this "not buying 3 point" thing.

JMD, I think you meant to write, "18" units per series, instead of "8". Also, I believe the 3-point buy is only better than the no-point buy when betting to win only 1 unit per series. Betting to win 1 unit will only ever average 1 unit per winning series (obviously), but the 1-3-5 and 7-5 strategies will average approx 3.5 units (1-3-5) and 6 units per winning series, for a slighly lower risk. Yes, they will lose slightly more often due to the lack of the extra 3 points but, overall (historically), the gains outnumber the losses and these 2 systems (particularly the 7-5) have out-performed the 1 unit chase.

I'm not sure you put an end to it....

[Wallco99]

Since the strive for accuracy seems so apparent, the losses are 8.26 units and 17.28 units for the 1-1-1 and 1-3-5 respectively. Though arguing with each other, you both argue a different point.

[J.M. Disciple]

I do not think I am arguing with Kev. I did not mean "18" because I was referring to not buying 3 points in a 3 tier chase. As Wallco said its 8.26 units total risk. Buying 3 points is closer to 18 depending on your juice. I was just trying to stop Buckeye from losing money long run based on short term results.

My point was if he were to keep wagering at -110 betting to win 1 unit per series its -ev or break even long run. Even if it was +EV its far less than 1-3-5 or 7/5 as stated. That is all I am trying to say. No one is arguing. Just leading "the horse to water."

@wallco, do you have the 1-3-5 record on hand so I may provide a detailed example of total units won / loss; compared to buying 3 points vs not buying 3 points when betting to win 1 unit both ways.