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  • Wallco99
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    • 01-01-11
    • 7261

    #1471
    Wallco NBA Chase 110
    2012-13 System to date: 24-0 (fin. series)
    System profit/loss: +24.00 units (fin. series)
    Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

    (12/18/12):
    #25 Philadelphia (+6½) (A) – Loss

    v1 Plays
    (A) 16-9
    (B) 5-3

    (C) 3-0
    (D) 0-0


    Games for (12/19/12):
    #25 Philadelphia (+6½) @ Houston (B) (8:05 pm EST)
    #26 Cleveland @ Boston (M/L) (A) (7:35 pm EST)

    ** Denotes line not available at time of post


    We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
    System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.
    Last edited by Wallco99; 12-19-12, 06:53 PM.
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    • wmu35
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      • 12-17-12
      • 15

      #1472
      Originally posted by Wallco99
      #149
      thanks bud
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      • BAMAsharp
        SBR Hustler
        • 11-19-12
        • 57

        #1473
        Originally posted by j.m. Disciple
        thanks to some of you who have my back, but ill take care of myself. This thread is mostly cluttered cause everyone wants to defend wallco or limit on their post or people being confused about the system and what the plays are. I'll handle my own beef.

        1) i only quoted limits post because there were no plays on the day, so if there are no spreads to post, then the post will not change. I have never quoted their "plays" when there are actually spreads to be posted or teams for that matter.

        2) i am pretty sure some of you received emails from john morrison last season or two seasons ago where he asked to take a vote on if the game should count as a loss or not. I believe this was when he incorporated his ml filter.

        3) you (wallco & limit) talk about consistency in your back test, but want to negate a loss on the lal game! Yes bet 2 was a push, but just because most people won on "replay of bet 2" does not negate the loss. Do other people make the rules for 7/5 now or does thelimit?

        Not counting it as a loss and than saying from this point forward if it happens again it will count as a loss sounds a lot like john morrison covering up losses or padding his record. It will still be a profitable season in the end, so covering up a 7 unit loss from bet1 to provide consistency is more important then padding a record i would think.

        4) 7/5 is up 30 units you said? My system is still above that in less time. Of course i have had more plays, but yes you are right that your "system(s)" together are still doing better then mine; they also have high risk ratio. I might as well compare stiff's + my system to your and wallco's system lol. Whatever... Its not a competition and i do not really care. Season to season mine will go above and beyond 7/5 on average. If you want it to be a competition you can go ahead and look at my thread at season end and compare it to 7/5.

        Good luck rest of the season.

        Ps
        just pretend i am not the one who wrote the response to lal bet 1 being a loss, would it still be ignored? If stiffler or grinder came in here and backtested 7/5 and got different unit amounts for their back test what would be the reason? "oh, it was a situation series where most people won so we counted it as a win..." wallco weren't you on stiffler for betting 2 units on a on a situational series on the spurs series? If you are going to complain about being consistent, than practice what you preach.

        Good night
        you're the one who keeps clogging up this thread with your attention whore responses. We get it....you are the labby king & you've been done wrong. Now stfu and move on with your life.
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        • MARCUS
          SBR Sharp
          • 06-19-09
          • 358

          #1474
          Originally posted by thelimit0310
          JMD, I did apply that rule. I'm going to clear this up for you instead of argue back. The Lakers Bet 2 was a PUSH officially, not a loss. Because they had another road game in their trip we would replay Bet 2 because it PUSHed, not lost. The replay won officially, so Bet 2 is now a WIN. There was never a question of whether or not to count it as a loss because neither bet lost. When I said I would count the next situation as a loss, what I meant was that if this type of situation occurs again, Bet 2 pushes, but then the subsequent Bet 2 Replay lost (the difference here is the Replay loses, not wins like what happened with the Lakers), I would count the series as a loss, not a push. Just as I counted this series as a win, not a push. This is the rule. It was not padding the unit count in any way.
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          • Wallco99
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            • 01-01-11
            • 7261

            #1475
            Originally posted by wmu35
            thanks bud
            No problem.
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            • Wallco99
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              • 01-01-11
              • 7261

              #1476
              Originally posted by CrazyCarl
              Beware of January 11th!!!!
              Yes, we have to hope there isn't a Phoenix (C) bet that day.
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              • thelimit0310
                SBR MVP
                • 01-24-11
                • 1233

                #1477
                7/5 Plays DEC 18

                Boston +1.5 vs Chicago - Bet 2

                7/5 Plays DEC 19

                No Plays

                Results:
                Bet 1: 7-8
                Bet 2: 5-3
                Utah 11/2
                Portland 11/25
                Boston 12/14
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                • adidas-b 88
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 06-26-11
                  • 151

                  #1478
                  boston -400 !!
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                  • adidas-b 88
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 06-26-11
                    • 151

                    #1479
                    Hey Limit I think Boston is a B bet for the 7/5 system?
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                    • J.M. Disciple
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                      • 11-16-10
                      • 5154

                      #1480
                      Thelimit, thanks for not arguing. Instead of arguing this whole thing could of easily been a discussion.

                      I do have one more question. in your back test during the 4-5 game road trip when the bet 2 pushes, did you replay bet2 or count the series over with a 7.7unit loss from bet 1. As wallco does often whenever he applies a filter, may have to go back through your 9 year back test to fix common occurrences.

                      Also with rules being on post 149, you stated pushes do not count as losses when referring to the A-bet losing by 3.5pts. I would suggest either reposting the rules with what happens given particular situations. kinda like when jm refers to a rare D-bet. just a suggestion.

                      Thanks again for responding in a non troll fashion. I've been trying to formulate a discussion over last two pages about this, but couldn't get an appropriate answer.

                      Good day.
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                      • J.M. Disciple
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                        • 11-16-10
                        • 5154

                        #1481
                        Originally posted by adidas-b 88
                        Hey Limit I think Boston is a B bet for the 7/5 system?
                        Boston started their road trip 12/14. There in the middle of it still.
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                        • J.M. Disciple
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                          • 11-16-10
                          • 5154

                          #1482
                          Adidas kinda triggered something from a jm rule. if first three games loses by 3pts ats in a 6-7 game road trip start a new series on the 4th game. is that still one of jm filters.
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                          • thelimit0310
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-24-11
                            • 1233

                            #1483
                            JMD,

                            I would replay Bet 2 if there was an extra game in the road trip. Just as many systems do, including Wallco and Stifler's. It's just the best way to go rather than taking a loss. I omitted this from my way-to-play post because i thought it was a given, and it was a very very rare occurrence to begin with, though looking back I should have noted it. The only reason there was confusion before is because I recorded the game as a temporary push on the record before the replay when I shouldn't have, and that is my mistake.
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                            • J.M. Disciple
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                              • 11-16-10
                              • 5154

                              #1484
                              Omitting your mistake is quick easy way to clear it up instead of optional or most people won. ok moving on, won't bring it back up.

                              Thanks.
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                              • wero76
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 01-26-12
                                • 81

                                #1485
                                where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?
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                                • Wallco99
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                                  • 01-01-11
                                  • 7261

                                  #1486
                                  Originally posted by wero76
                                  where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?
                                  #149
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                                  • thelimit0310
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-24-11
                                    • 1233

                                    #1487
                                    ...
                                    Last edited by thelimit0310; 12-19-12, 05:04 PM.
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                                    • J.M. Disciple
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 11-16-10
                                      • 5154

                                      #1488
                                      Originally posted by wero76
                                      where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?
                                      all plays @-110
                                      A) 1.1 to win 1.00 units
                                      B) to recover your loss from A + 3 additional units of profit
                                      C) recover losses from A+B and 5 additional units of profit.

                                      It plays all versions of John Morrison system @-110 (no buying points). Its not really a separate system, more of a different betting strategy.
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                                      • Wallco99
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                                        • 01-01-11
                                        • 7261

                                        #1489
                                        Originally posted by wero76
                                        where can I find 1-3-5 system rules?
                                        It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.
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                                        • J.M. Disciple
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 11-16-10
                                          • 5154

                                          #1490
                                          Originally posted by Wallco99
                                          It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.
                                          should probably edit your post in #1486 to reflect #1489
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                                          • cambertos
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 06-16-12
                                            • 329

                                            #1491
                                            we are all one post away from another mass argument hahaha
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                                            • groovybrandone
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 02-22-12
                                              • 456

                                              #1492
                                              Originally posted by Wallco99
                                              It's pretty simple. I came up with it 2 years ago after Wilba came up with the 3/3. We are basically just playing ALL Jm games (A, B, and C) at -110 odds. We are looking to win 1 unit on A bets, if that loses, looking to win 3 units on B bets, and 5 units on C bets if B should lose. A total loss is 17.28 units, that's less than a JM loss. But keep in mind, there may be a few more losses as a result of not buying 3 points. I love this strategy.
                                              so we could potentially run a 1-3-5 off the traditional JM that stevex is posting?
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                                              • stevex
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                                                • 05-02-10
                                                • 5122

                                                #1493
                                                JM Traditonal

                                                12/19/2012

                                                V2

                                                1. Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet -6 @ Atlanta Hawks (Risking 200 TO WIN 181)
                                                Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet (since > -3 take ML) @ Atlanta Hawks
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                                                • Wallco99
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                                                  • 01-01-11
                                                  • 7261

                                                  #1494
                                                  Originally posted by groovybrandone
                                                  so we could potentially run a 1-3-5 off the traditional JM that stevex is posting?
                                                  That is exactly what I designed it for, so YES.
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                                                  • Wallco99
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                                                    • 01-01-11
                                                    • 7261

                                                    #1495
                                                    Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                                    2012-13 System to date: 24-0 (fin. series)
                                                    System profit/loss: +24.00 units (fin. series)
                                                    Current open series: 1 (-1.10 units)

                                                    (12/18/12):
                                                    #25 Philadelphia (+6½) (A) – Loss

                                                    v1 Plays
                                                    (A) 16-9
                                                    (B) 5-3

                                                    (C) 3-0
                                                    (D) 0-0


                                                    Games for (12/19/12):
                                                    #25 Philadelphia (+7) @ Houston (B) (8:05 pm EST)
                                                    #26 Cleveland @ Boston (M/L) (A) (7:35 pm EST)


                                                    We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                                                    System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.
                                                    Last edited by Wallco99; 12-19-12, 06:58 PM.
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                                                    • wmu35
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 12-17-12
                                                      • 15

                                                      #1496
                                                      Originally posted by stevex
                                                      JM Traditonal

                                                      12/19/2012

                                                      V2

                                                      1. Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet -6 @ Atlanta Hawks (Risking 200 TO WIN 181)
                                                      Oklahoma City Thunder A Bet (since > -3 take ML) @ Atlanta Hawks

                                                      Hey Steve, How is this JM Traditional since the B bet would have been vs Minny? They are in the west aren't they? I haven't followed JM in a year or so so idk if he changed anything up.

                                                      Please let me know what the deal is.

                                                      Thanks
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                                                      • Wallco99
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                                                        • 01-01-11
                                                        • 7261

                                                        #1497
                                                        Originally posted by wmu35
                                                        Hey Steve, How is this JM Traditional since the B bet would have been vs Minny? They are in the west aren't they? I haven't followed JM in a year or so so idk if he changed anything up.

                                                        Please let me know what the deal is.

                                                        Thanks
                                                        It's a v2 play. Check post # 140
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                                                        • lennytia
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                                                          • 12-21-09
                                                          • 31

                                                          #1498
                                                          Originally posted by Wallco99
                                                          Pay attention. Right now it is.
                                                          No, the common denominator right now is the same as it has been for the duration of those 2 years right across JM NBA/MLB/NHL threads.
                                                          The other parties change, JM Disciple just happens to be this months sparring partner.
                                                          Its all very unnecessary, Lord of the Flies bullshit
                                                          Last edited by lennytia; 12-20-12, 05:11 AM.
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                                                          • wmu35
                                                            SBR Rookie
                                                            • 12-17-12
                                                            • 15

                                                            #1499
                                                            Originally posted by Wallco99
                                                            It's a v2 play. Check post # 140


                                                            Alright cool, thanks
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                                                            • Wallco99
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                                                              • 01-01-11
                                                              • 7261

                                                              #1500
                                                              Originally posted by lennytia
                                                              No, the common denominator right now is the same as it has been for the duration of those 2 years right across JM NBA/MLB/NHL threads.
                                                              The other parties change, JM Disciple just happens to be this months sparring partner.
                                                              Its all very unnecessary, Lord of the Flies bullshit
                                                              And this is usually how these spars start. Some cocky jackass coming in here and spewing crap and not expecting us to comment, which is exactly what you are doing now, and exactly what he did last week. So as I said, pay attention and stop trying to rehash shit that has subsided.
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                                                              • Wallco99
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                                                                • 01-01-11
                                                                • 7261

                                                                #1501
                                                                Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                                                2012-13 System to date: 25-0 (fin. series)
                                                                System profit/loss: +25.00 units (fin. series)
                                                                Current open series: 1 (-3.41 units)

                                                                (12/19/12):
                                                                #25 Philadelphia (+7) (B) - Loss
                                                                #26 Boston (M/L) (A) - Win


                                                                v1 Plays
                                                                (A) 17-9
                                                                (B) 5-4

                                                                (C) 3-0
                                                                (D) 0-0


                                                                There are no system plays for (12/20/12)
                                                                #25 Resumes (C) on 12/21/12


                                                                We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a (-½) point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change. However, it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from the line in my post.
                                                                System rules and backtest can be found in post #219.
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                                                                • MARCUS
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 06-19-09
                                                                  • 358

                                                                  #1502
                                                                  Originally posted by Wallco99
                                                                  And this is usually how these spars start. Some cocky jackass coming in here and spewing crap and not expecting us to comment, which is exactly what you are doing now, and exactly what he did last week. So as I said, pay attention and stop trying to rehash shit that has subsided.
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                                                                  • wero76
                                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                                    • 01-26-12
                                                                    • 81

                                                                    #1503
                                                                    thanks Wallco!
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                                                                    • Wallco99
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                                                                      #1504
                                                                      You're welcome.
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                                                                      • petters72
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                                                                        • 05-16-09
                                                                        • 188

                                                                        #1505
                                                                        Was Boston a 7/5 C-bet yesterday? Why did not anyone post it????????
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