Originally posted by Edward-RAS
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Your second half plays are given out for free. I am talking about your WNBA package you ask people to pay money for, a lot of money IMO at $800. 3.3 UNITS of profit is pathetic especially a season after raising the prices. The results did not justify the increase in price. You are living off that one season in the WNBA that you had 3 seasons ago, the lines have sharpened and you have not bottomline.Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
I certainly would not refer to +3.30 units or a ROI above 4% as "pathetic" and most professional bettors would not either.Originally posted by sweetjones55
The second half plays are posted for free on the BT forum, but priority delivery via e-mail or text is not free. Not only is the priority delivery more convenient, but it gives paying subscribers a distinct advantage in competing for the best possible lines in a market that does not have a lot of liquidity.
We do not count the second half plays in our official record as other services do, but they potentially would have added an additional +7.1 units to a subscriber's bottom line which is definitely worth noting.
Our pricing is dictated by supply and demand. Nothing else.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Yes you finished 3.3 units up but when you factor on the $800 you charge for the package most people didn't make a cent and I know a lot of people lost money.Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
Your facts and assertions in this thread have not left you with a lot of credibility. If people lose money on our service, then demand would go down, and the plays would not be so influential on the market. So far only the opposite continues to happen.Originally posted by sweetjones55
Our win rates and unit earnings are what they are. Even if you choose to not include the second half plays, the service produced a solid ROI%, and if you do include the second half plays, it produced a very good ROI%.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Just because people want your picks doesn't mean they are worth it People buy Lang's picks for christs sake. I'm sure you are going to mask the fact in your numbers that you've produced 0.7 units of profit the last two seasons combined. You are not consistent in this sport, you had one great year, a terrible year and a breakeven year after the price of the package.Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
You are entitled to your opinion. I don't suspect you'll be subscribing next season!Originally posted by sweetjones55
Fortunately, your opinion is not representative of our subscriber base or the rest of the sports betting community. Many do in fact think the service is worth it.
In 2009, we finished at -2.60 units with +1.40 units on second halves, that isn't "terrible", and +3.30 units with +7.10 units on second halves this year isn't "breakeven" either, you really should get your facts straight if you want to engage in a meaningful debate.
Keep in mind we only handicap the first 10 weeks of the WNBA season and we do not inflate our unit totals in any way. Our average unit size is just slightly over 1.0, as it should be. We do not make every play for 2 units, or use 3-5 unit rating systems, or release derivatives to increase play volume. What you see is what you get.
We have hit over 56% lifetime on regular WNBA service plays, and over 59% on WNBA second half plays. We are very pleased with these numbers as any educated sports bettor would be.
If you do not think those numbers are solid, then you do not have a grasp on what realistic long term win rates are in today's sports markets.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
sj, you should probably have a better ratio between your bet size and what you're willing to pay for a service. It is true that luck can make the difference between a very good and an average season (although tout services, like gamblers, will tend to overlook this during a great season).
For free selections, for the time being, you can always check the survivor record (top right corner) here: http://spaces.covers.com/DarkHorse21. The music is good too.
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I don't care about your second half numbers, I am discussing the WNBA Package you sell. We are not talking about your free picks here. So you need to get YOUR facts straight, I'll lay them out for you clearly though.Originally posted by Edward-RAS
In 2009 you sold the package for $400. Saying the average bet is $300, you lost $780 on the picks and lost another $400 for the price of the package. That's NEGATIVE $-1,180. How is that not terrible??? I will never understand the price raise after a season like this, not even a small price raise either. You DOUBLED the price.
In 2010, you sold the package for $800. Saying the average bet is $300, that would be +$990 on the picks for a profit of $190. That's breakeven to me, not even a unit of profit.
I hit 60% on OVER 300 NBA Plays this year, went 6-0 this year on my biggest unit plays, and 65% in the NBA playoffs with 58 plays. They were all documented here on SBR, you can ask any respected capper on her about me. You are not talking to some noob here, I have a clue. My NBA thread was the second most viewed thread in this section and I started it before the playoffs.
Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
Congrats on your NBA thread success. My only judgement of you has come from your assertions in this thread which have been mostly false and/or misinformed.Originally posted by sweetjones55
Our lifetime WNBA service win rate is 56.02% and our lifetime WNBA second half win rate is 59.02%. It is what it is. No manipulation is necessary. We are very pleased with these numbers, and the majority of our clients are as well. Anyone who expects higher long term win rates than these does not have realistic expectations.
As has been indicated to you previously, the second half plays are posted free on the BT forum, but only subscribers get priority delivery via e-mail and text. While you may "not care" it remains a valuable added benefit to subscribers for convenience and competition for best lines.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Sweetjones, why are you even wasting your time arguing with Edward? Its so obvious what he is doing is just like any other tout out there. All marketing and no substance. Each time you reply to this thread, you are giving him free publicity as it gets bumped to the top. Just let the thread die a slow death.Comment -
This is yet another misinformed claim that cannot be substansiated.Originally posted by brumbies
The opposite is the truth.
HoopsEdge and RAS services have produced as much substance as any service in the industry over the past three years. CBB over 57%, CFB over 59%, WNBA over 56%, and second half plays combined in all three sports over 59%. We have averaged +56 units per year the last three with very conservative unit ratings and not including second half plays.
Our marketing is very low key. We never hype our plays or give them ridiculous titles. We promote long term records, not short term streaks. We are a standalone site, not one with many cappers handicapping many sports at once so that someone is always "hot". In fact we never handicap more than one sport at a time, ending WNBA after 10 weeks, and CFB after 8 weeks.
I could go on and on, but our win rates, closing line values, market influence, and industry endorsements are second to none and tell the story better than I or anyone else can.
EdwardOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
RAS is one of two services that I consider valid. Any reasonable handicapper can tell they are legit. The tougher question is at what point is the service worth paying? For any pro with outs betting 1k+, it's a no brainer.Originally posted by brumbiesComment -
I have a question for Edward. Do you have an account with 5Dimes or are they privy to the info before hand? They always move the line right before the play is released.Comment -
5dimes is not privy to the info before hand. We have suspected for a while that they do subscribe to the service, because they are often the first on the screen to move, but with very few random exceptions, it is always after release, not before.Originally posted by BluehorseshoeOther than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
Right Angle Sports is one of the class acts in the industry. I have followed Edward for years.
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It was so easy to hit 60%, let alone 55%, at a LONG TERM basis then you (SJ) and everyone of my friends all be living in Vegas as professional sports gamblers.
It was so easy to hit 60% people would not pay what they do for LEGITIMATE services.
If you are good at what you do...GUESS WHAT... a service such as Edward-RAS would not be for you. Keep doing what you are doing. I would subscribe, but I don't bet high enough limits and thus know I couldn't justify paying for it.
You a lot of other people I read on this forum should spend their time outing the real frauds and touts that spout off their BIG EAST-WEDNESDAY NIGHT-50* STAR-DOUBLE BACK-TO-BACK-AFTER A FULL MOON LOCK of the YEAR bullshit, and short-term records. If you really are into this business, and respect good handicappers, then you are really worse than the fakes and touts by attempting to bash one of the legitimate handicappers I have come across on SBR and other forums.Comment -
I never said hitting 60% was do easy, it's actually very hard. There wasn't one pro handicapper online who hit 60% with over 200 plays, not even 58% actually. I have said that RAS is respectable and good in most sports but wnba is not their thing.Originally posted by escoot
What bothered me about them is that their paying wnba members last season lost money and ended up in the negative units plus the price of the package. So Ed goes and doubles the price of the package this year to $800?? I just don't think that's right and especially even less now after they only made 3 units this year. 60% is very hard but making 3 units in the wnba in a full season is not, tons of handicappers surpass that and don't charge.Scared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
What is the other service you consider valid?Originally posted by Justin7Comment -
Dr. Bob, especially in college sports.Originally posted by brumbiesComment -
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When a service has a lifetime win rate above 56%, is above 59% on second half plays, beats the closing line by an average of +1.50 points per pick, and currently has more influence on the WNBA market than anyone in the world, saying "wnba is not their thing" just does not add up.
As for our subscription prices, I will explain for you once again. It is a case of supply and demand. There is a lot of competition to place bets on releases before lines move. The more people that subscribe, the more competition there will be for lines. Our only defense against not diluting the value of the service is to increase rates. Our subscription prices have been well below market for many years and remain very competitive today.Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
It adds up perfectly. You had one very good season and that's the only reason your numbers look good, fact is you are +0.7 units the last two seasons. You had a great season in 2008, a horrible season in 2009 (members lost $-1,180 figuring $300 per unit and the price of the package), and a pretty much break even year this year only winning 3 units (members won $190 figuring betting $300 a game with the package price included). One good year out of three is not impressive to me, WNBA is not your thing. If you had won every year the last three years and produced $1,000 profit betting $300 a unit with the price of the package included then maybeeee you could argue that it is. Good luck next year.Originally posted by Edward-RASScared money don't make money
182-120-6 (60.26%) Final Total NBA Record over 308 plays
37-20-1 (65%) Record for the 2010 NBA PLAYOFFSComment -
No, it doesn't.Originally posted by sweetjones55
You can slice the numbers any way you want. If well informed pros were not betting our plays on a regular basis, we would not influence the market or beat the closing line the way that we do.
Knowing who some of our clients are, it would be extremely unlikely that you are more well informed than the people paying for and following the HoopsEdge WNBA service.
This pretty much sums up this thread. It is time to move on.Originally posted by Justin7Other than RAS, I know of no way to just "join" a syndicate (and yes, obv, I'm labelling RAS a kind of a syndicate; it's a publicly available one). -PokerJoe Oct 2010Comment -
I respect Edward and his service. First class operation.Comment
