that's pretty cool about being at Monmouth that day and seeing ruffian run by..as you said I know you've mentioned that before a few times..the look in her eye like you've never seen in any other horse..get outta my way or I'll tear you a new one lol..have to think there couldn't have been a bigger heartbreak for a trainer as when she went down in the match race..especially for an old school guy like my avatar who if I remember correctly didn't want her to do it
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one correction I said private terms dam "laughter" was a 3/4 to ruffian when in fact she's only a half..ruffian was by a son of bold ruler "reviewer" while laughter was actually by bold ruler.
lot of frank whitely influence there as private terms sire "private account" was by his other big horse (besides ruffian) "damascus"Comment -
Yeah, if memory serves, I don't think he really wanted to.
I remember seeing the race from the John Tammaro/John Forbes tack room at Bowie that summer. It was right next to our barn. Must have been a dozen of us in that little room watching. I had just been promoted to Asst. Trainer for the trainer next door. When that happened, I got sick . Pretty sure I cried as well. I knew right away, there was no way she could survive. I walked out shortly after it happened. I remember I didn't want to see or talk to anyone so I started watering off horses that had just eaten dinner. I watered off all 48 of them, basically trying to hide from people and be alone.
She had a big hand in vets figuring out a better way to help save horses coming out of anesthesia. They figured out that if the horse was put into a swimming pool of water, as they woke up, they couldn't thrash like she did. So, as terrible a thing as it was, at least some good came from it.
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Yeah, I thought she was a 1/2 but I figured close enough.
BTW, people made up a bumper sticker for Private Terms prior to the Derby. It said :
Charlie Hadry bald and round.
Private Terms, Derby bound".
I thought it was stupid so I didn't put one on my car, but a lot of people did. They were everywhere. I didn't care for it but whoever came up with that did not mean to be I'm sure, as he was liked by everyone.
If you didn't live in Md. at the time, most would probably not know that.Last edited by str; 03-13-21, 11:40 AM.Comment -
no problem str
yeah that had to be tough to see..I was only 12 and thankfully don't remember watching it..didn't really become a fan till a few years after ..grew up less than a half hour from the track..as you said at least something good came out of it ..all for a stupid match race..would've been much more interesting to see what ruffian developed into as an older horse and what her progeny might have accomplished..whole thing a shameComment -
What track were you 1/2 an hour from growing up?Comment -
actually never went to belmont while I was a kid in queens.. family moved up to the burbs in 1976.. parents weren't horseplayers other than an occasional stop at roosevelt raceway for the trotters ..they did attend on sectretariat's big day but I was home with my grandparents unaware of what was going on or at least the significance of it ..don't think I made it there till the late 80's when risen star won the belmont ..possible I missed a visit once or twice beforeComment -
JBEX Im pretty sure you had this horse pegged first out at GP... just ran back 2nd start and won
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yeah kona..I asked str a question about him and you commented you liked what he did and was the type of horse you like to play back..was bet very well that day also as a first time starter..tried to beat him today with bombers but saw he won at I think 2-1
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hey str
gulfstream R6
msw with a lot of expensive big pedigree horses.. trying to get a price and have 2 in mind being #1 dream about me (5-1) and #5 skybox (20-1)
2..obvious big figure.. trainer bad meet.. cheap breeding
3,4,7.. nice pedigrees but fts whose trainers aren't good first out
6 ..todd could win but how boring is that.. did little first out
8.. outside bad at a mile
#1 (5-1) expensive even for the classy bloodlines and modest dam info.. dam sire and sire combined extreme stamina.. the kind of debut that's perfect primer to stretch out.. inside great at a mile.. toner and maragh get you a better price
#5 (20-1).. did little first out and was 47-1..maybe a dip your toe in the water and not cranked up.. trainer hits big prices 2nd out.. elite sire and classy dam sire.. dam a stakes winner but hasn't produced anything from two other starters (1 winner that didn't do much).. more of a reach but these types can wake up in start 2 even showing minimal effort first out.. connections keep the price elevated even though rusty arnold a veteran who knows what he's doing.. lanerie also decent but not a flashy premier typeComment -
I immediately saw the extreme stamina in the 1 horse. I do have a question though. Is the high win % from the 1 post in distances broken out from a mile out of the chute and a 1 1/16th where they basically break on the turn? I ask because winning from the 1 post out of a chute should be MUCH tougher than when they break just before the turn. I assume the number is somewhat skewed because they mix the two distances. Not that it hurts this horse as with 1st time blinkers, the stretch out , etc. this one probably shows speed or position early anyway. Just wondering.
The 1 horse got beat 1 1/2 lengths for 3rd first out and is bred to run all day. That seems like a real solid debut !
Agree with the 2 horse. Trainer 1-40 at the meet. Who wants to play into that right now?
Agree with 3,4,7
Agree with the 6... Boring
I have the same question but in the opposite direction for the 8 horse. Terrible post win % but is that at 1 1/16th also. The box, or the outside out of a chute is typically a really nice spot to be in, especially with controlling speed and Paco who is aggressive into the turn if the horse allows him to be. The 8 could run well if ready and probably is off that last work.
I get the 5 as a saver at a probable very big price.
If the outside post is NOT nearly that bad out of the chute, and it should not be bad out of any chute, I might look to use the 8 in there somewhere along with your thoughts on the 1 and 5.Comment -
good question about the distance for pp stats and that is at specifically 1 mile ..if it included 8.5f I agree stats is a toss
aside from that I see positives with your 8..for me another expensive for the specs horse who has shown some flashes..even first out..running a big race at kd even though it was on the turf,big effort especially as a young 2yo ..a little trouble at the start at kee and of course just the fact it is kee says a lot about the horse..like trainers numbers (besides this meet) except off a layoff..can't have everything though..thanks for the feedback strComment -
Don't have it in front of me but 1st Lasix as well. Alot to like.
I cannot believe that the box out of a chute would be a terrible win %. It goes against all logic. Is the surface much thinner inside than out?? Almost has to be that. Crazy. You know Paco is wanting to bait someone up in a false hole going down the backside only to slam the door when they switch leads going into the far turn. But anyway, fun race to see what's going on.
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what's interesting is at laurel they do group the mile and 2 turn post stats together ..you would think they'd be consistent about that unless I'm reading something wrong
I don't know off the top with a more speed oriented track like gulfstream doesn't surprise me a lot but understand positionally with the chute a disadvantage at most places
trainer of the 8 also has very solid numbers 1st lasix..
yeah looking forward to the race..todd will probably win by 10 after all this chatter
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The unbeaten Into Mischief colt Life Is Good, who was the favorite for the Kentucky Derby in the latest Future Wager pool, is off the Triple Crown trail after coming out of a six-furlong breeze on Saturday morning “a little off behind,” according to his trainer, Bob Baffert.
Baffert originally said Life Is Good would be forced to miss the April 3 Runhappy Santa Anita Derby, but Daily Racing Form subsequently reported that the horse will not compete in the Triple Crown. He will be sent from his base at Santa Anita in Arcadia, Calif., to Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington, Ky., where noted equine surgeon Dr. Larry Bramlage will conduct a thorough examination, according to DRF.com.
“It's nothing obvious but he cooled off a little off behind,” Baffert told the Paulick Report. “So he's going to miss the Santa Anita Derby and we've got to do some tests on him. The timing is not good.”
Baffert does not believe the setback will be career ending.
Hey STR: what would be the major concern here as far as "Life is Good" is concerned. (Cooled off a little off behind) can you elaborate. thx.
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Seems like the quote from the trainer was prior to the statement of "off the triple crown trail". That would not have been said if they didn't know at least "something" more than " a little off behind". I say that because a little off behind could be , and that's what a trainer might hope for if they first see this, that it could be a bruised foot which is typically no more than a blood or puss pocket trapped in the hoof that needs to be opened up to drain. Like an infected toe nail thing. It goes from lame to sound very quickly. So it's obviously more than that.
Sounds like the 1st quotes were after some preliminary x-rays but before that results where known.
With the statement about not career ending, we don't know when that was said. So with 2 separate statements, there is one story for two different remarks. That leads to a bunch of confusion.
To the statement that the horse is off the triple crown trail, something is now conclusive. We just don't know what that is. And because of the tons of money as a future stallion, it will be hard to find out for sure what it is, especially now. Because people don't want to breed to a soft bone horse or one that might produce the same potential problems in future foals, you can hear a lot of stories about whatever fits the moment. Inevitably, the word gets out, although rarely to the public. If that is ultimately the case, you will most likely here the old "he took a bad step" thing.
Let's see what Dr. Bramlage says after the full checkup and I might be able to shed more light on what's going on. Plenty of things can heal themselves with time and treatment without an operation. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.
With this horse out, the opportunity for multiple speed horses that might not have tried to run against this horse might now consider the Derby. That could bode well for JBEX and his future play at 40-1 if his horse holds up.
Can't ask for more than a solid pace with inferior speed horses.
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OK STR thx. Yeah will know more once the doctor does a full check up. will hit you back if I read anymore.Comment -
Just read ON Bloodhorse that Life is Good will have surgery for an ankle Chip.Comment -
Thanks for the update Easy !
It all depends on where that chip is. Some areas like right in the front of the ankle, it's not a big deal with a positive prognosis, other areas it can be a really big deal with a poor prognosis.
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ife Is Good, who was ruled off the Triple Crown trail after exiting a March 20 work with an apparent hind-end injury, will undergo surgery March 26 for a small chip in his left hind ankle, according to a tweet from XBTV reporter Millie Ball.
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Here is one that caught my eye at Delta Race #1 for Thursday. The #2 AKHNAS if you guys have a form take a look. you will see what I am talking aboutComment -
hey str
if you can look at gulfstream R2 yesterday don't you think it's amazing that horse paid $37..understand he's going from clm 6250 n3l to open clm 6250 but to make him 15-1 ml off his last race seems ridiculous..his last race at the
same distance,opens up 6 lengths in the stretch and ran a competitive figure and wins by 8 lengths ..trainer has done ok with a small sample
..I didn't play him picking in advance but it almost seems to me the linesmaker might have been very influential in him going off at that price..what do you think ?Comment -
I did the card yesterday at Gulfstream for the contest. First time I've done that since the last contest. Probably 5 months or more.
I remember looking at that horse. And I remember the Beyer was high enough to earn at least some respect. As you said, it was a nw/3 race that he won and was going into open company. My rule of thumb has always been, when they go from beaten to open nw in a lifetime, unless there is really solid evidence to the contrary or they are dropping in price appropriately, throw them out. And while the evidence from the last Beyer was there, because I know so little about the current state of the track condition as to times, and the overall general knowledge I know one can have but I certainly do not when it comes to this Gulfstream meet, I tossed him.
I went with the 11 who ran very well with Paco, under the assumption he would try and do what most aggressive pace riders do from the outside with speed, set a trap, and try and hold them off. My horse ran very well but came up about 3/4's of a length short. The time off got the best of him especially with not switching leads. To the winners credit, he ran very well. A generous price I suppose given his last figure but he did take a big step up in class.
As I said, my rule of thumb is to always throw these nw/3 going into open for the same price, unless there is overwhelming evidence they can compete. It might have been right in front of my face but I tossed him. Maybe if I had been following the meet, I could have made a case, but even still, I doubt I would have played him. I try to stick to rules like that. It takes a bunch, to sway me off of them.
I made one mistake on yesterdays card that bugs me. I tossed Grey's Fable in the 6th at the last minute like a dope. I had a decent day but that one would have given me the 200 free play. Oh yeah ! Had to settle for the 100 free play. ( It's amazing that it takes so little to get competitive).
At the time though I was getting close to the lead but proceeded to lose the last 6 races. Seems as though I got tired first off the layoff as well. I probably didn't switch leads either. Lol.
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I agree. It was a full field on a big day. Horses like that can get overlooked. I'm just not sure how much this one was though. Probably a little. I think it would have been 6/7-1 in a seven horse field which would probably been fair, I guess. Gotta think that people that play Beyers all the time did well in that race. And yes, the lines maker nailed it. Have to give credit where it is due which includes the lines maker, the horse and everyone involved including anyone that bet the horse.
Oh, and my two cents on Greatest Honor yesterday. I thought he broke better and was more attentive in the first several strides. I liked that. He looked more comfortable very early on. As you know, he was down inside the whole trip. He never flattened out for the drive. He looked uninterested down in there as they went down the backside, similar to what he looked like in the previous race. Probably being pinned but I commented in my head half way down the backside about that.
If he comes out of the race sound, there isn't much you can do with him but try at all costs to give him his way and see if he can win going around the field. That takes some luck with the trip as you know.
The difference between 1 1/8th and 1 1/4 is night and day. I think he shows up in May. And while I know you don't feel as confident as you could right now, I learned a long time ago, it's not about how you feel, it's all about how they feel. As long as he came out of the race ok, let's see how he does next time.
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yes I generally feel that way also but felt the n3l performance was so dominating you could make a case (let me say that I didn't have him either)..I usually like to find more subtle things in these cheap races than a horse who won by 8 lengths at the same distance in his prior race
..this is the bottom there so there's no going down in claiming price..would guess lots of these types might end up trying open $5k's at tampa
I have noticed on big race days the few claiming races that are run can produce winners that look pretty good on paper for their odds..maybe the crowd looks to the bigger tj combos (relative to this level of racing) or more time spent focusing on the big races..whatever the case I think he was a very solid price for what he showed
thanks str and glad you collected something yesterday..I really like that speed rider on the outside angle..
one other note there's a first time starter by tapit out of "hav're de grace" going at gulfstream..looked up and saw tony dutrow had hdg prior to her going to larry jones for her 4yo season ..some pedigree on that oneComment