UFC on FOX 5: Henderson vs. Diaz (Dec 08)

**Beelzebubzy** · 12-06-12, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by blumpkin

Any thoughts on Cruickshank/martinez? Martinez didnt look very impressive to me his last time out.

See riddle fight

**bjpenn85** · 12-06-12, 09:55 AM

martinez was more impressive coming in on short notice than his last fight. Maybe he fought better competition, but still, that threw me off. I dont know what to expect from martinez. Even at + money im not going to invest.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yeah was expecting Cruickshank to be the dog

I was expecting Cruickshank to be at least -200, though I wasn't planning on playing him... I think only way he loses is by KO.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

Lol. Yea, basically how I feel, but I couldn't have said it as poetically as gabers did.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 01:43 PM

I'm considering having my name legally changed to Gabriel Gabers.

**Thor4140** · 12-06-12, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I'm considering having my name legally changed to Gabriel Gabers.

Was douchebag taken?

**Thor4140** · 12-06-12, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

hahaha, i feel you on that b/c they always seem to release lines while im commuting home. but, taking a dump is only an excuse if you dont have a laptop. i do some of my best work on the throne.

If i ever stop by remind me to pass on using ur computer Pun.

**PunisherIND** · 12-06-12, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

If i ever stop by remind me to pass on using ur computer Pun.

that would be wise of you!

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Was douchebag taken?

I've called you stupid a million times before lol

you have the sense of humor of a child, you must be one. this forum is for adults, kiddo.

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I was expecting Cruickshank to be at least -200, though I wasn't planning on playing him... I think only way he loses is by KO.

yeah wasnt based on ability that I thought he'd be dog, just more on fact that Martinez is a Jackson guy who almost beat a much bigger guy on short notice and then won his last fight, while Cruickshank is coming off TUF wer he got finished early on. Thought that would be enough to make Cruickshank the dog

**KushMoney** · 12-06-12, 03:53 PM

UFC on FOX 5 TOTAL Rounds OVER/UNDERS

THESE LINES ARE WAY OFF

Ben Henderson vs. Nate Diaz

-160

+130

Shogun Rua vs. Alexander Gustafsson

-140				-140
+110				+110

B.J. Penn vs. Rory Macdonald

-130				-130
+100				+100

Ben Henderson by close another close Decision

Shogun vs. Gustafsson is supposed to go the distance? In what Universe?!?! Someone, please fill me in. All I see is Sub or TKO.. Unless he has some sort of Hand or Leg injury, Gustaffson should win this fight quite impressively. He's too hungry to let it go the Distance. He knows what finishing Shogun can do for his career. If Shogun comes out lookin Sluggish, Gustaffson should be able to mix in grappling with his overall size and strength advantage to make Shogun wear down and out. Might go over 2.5 Rounds, shouldn't go the distance.

BJ Penn vs. Rory Macdonald

RORY BY DECISION. BJ is going to look pretty good, might even win a round... but Rory should be able to hang in there and pull it off. He will advance in line for a title shot. But I would be very impressive if he finished BJ.

Let me know what you think..

As for the Rest of the card.. capped cuz I fukkin felt like it. If the O/U lines do come out, they will look like this.

Stephens/Edwards - Over 2.5 +140
Brown/Swick - Over 2.5 +120
Easton/Assuncao - Over 2.5 -170
Proctor/Nijem - Over 2.5 -160
Martinez/Cruickshank - Over 2.5 +110
Means/Trujillo - Over 2.5 -170
Phan/Siver - Over 2.5 -180
Jorgensen/Albert - Over 2.5 +120

Goodluck everybody!

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 03:58 PM

Means/Trujilo Over 2.5 will be more like Evens to +120

**PunisherIND** · 12-06-12, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Means/Trujilo Over 2.5 will be more like Evens to +120

i can even see them using 1.5 for that fight.

**KushMoney** · 12-06-12, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Means/Trujilo Over 2.5 will be more like Evens to +120

Value on the Over 2.5 . I knew I capped that one kinda high.. On paper, Means should finish him but I see value on Killa Trujillo straight up, being I see him losing a close Decision.. training with the Blackzillians, he will come with better TDD and more overall aggressiveness. Tim Means should win, though.

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

i can even see them using 1.5 for that fight.

ah yeah true, probably will

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 05:39 PM

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 05:44 PM

**NunyaBidness** · 12-06-12, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

i can even see them using 1.5 for that fight.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 06:14 PM

is the video of the conference up yet?

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by gabe

is the video of the conference up yet?

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 08:48 PM

thanks cous

**PunisherIND** · 12-06-12, 08:53 PM

Trujillo/Means won't go 3 round distance +140*
Brown/Swick won't go 3 round distance -185*

**illmatick** · 12-06-12, 09:25 PM

I like both of those.

Also playing Stephens/Edwards wont go distance at +135

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 09:42 PM

I like all three of those, you queernuggets.

**Thor4140** · 12-06-12, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I've called you stupid a million times before lol

you have the sense of humor of a child, you must be one. this forum is for adults, kiddo.

i know u have called me stupid. You call everyone stupid. You calling anyone stupid is about as hysterical as it can get.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-06-12, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Huh? Schaub has the weakest chin amongst HW's, Lavar would have knocked him out in 15 seconds

yea for me it was more a bet against schaubs chin, which I would gladly play for decent dog odds. But I think lavar wouldn't have been too heavy a dog, prob +140ish me thinks and I don't know if that would be valuable enough for me. And I know lavar is pretty much an easy sub, but I can't remember the last time I saw anything special from shcaubs sub grappling. Would have been a fun fight with someone getting dropped nasty like

**ghost kid** · 12-06-12, 10:12 PM

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**Sacrelicious** · 12-06-12, 10:14 PM

LOL!

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

i know u have called me stupid. You call everyone stupid. You calling anyone stupid is about as hysterical as it can get.

I certainly don't call everyone stupid, and most that I do, is 'cos they said something stupid, as everyone does, not because they're actually stupid. You, on the other hand, are nothing short of a laughing matter.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

yea for me it was more a bet against schaubs chin, which I would gladly play for decent dog odds. But I think lavar wouldn't have been too heavy a dog, prob +140ish me thinks and I don't know if that would be valuable enough for me. And I know lavar is pretty much an easy sub, but I can't remember the last time I saw anything special from shcaubs sub grappling. Would have been a fun fight with someone getting dropped nasty like

i think schaub was gonna stand against lavar and bet against himself for a huge payday lol

**PunisherIND** · 12-06-12, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

I like both of those.

Also playing Stephens/Edwards wont go distance at +135

i was going to play that stephens/edwards itd as well, but i think i'll just wait for stephens by tko. hoping i can get +200 or better on that.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

i was going to play that stephens/edwards itd as well, but i think i'll just wait for stephens by tko. hoping i can get +200 or better on that.

smaht

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-06-12, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

Lol. Yea, basically how I feel, but I couldn't have said it as poetically as gabers did.

I hear ya but he's also been incredibly passive in a few of his fights, menji he played it safe, dodson fight was pretty much a sparing match, and his robbery win against beebe he didn't impress. Not saying he can't lay it on assuncao and go for it like the papazian fight which was impressive, but assuncao isn't a passive fighter and I think he can also bring it strong to easton. I'd put easton around -140, so I see some value if raph gets to +200ish. I think easton has more power and crispness to his strikes, but assuncao's hands and especially kicks ain't bad and I'd give the grappling edge to assuncao. Gonna be fun either way, GL bruddah.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-06-12, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by blumpkin

Any thoughts on Cruickshank/martinez? Martinez didnt look very impressive to me his last time out.

I'm tempted to play daron... Hope he goes down closer to even and I might make a play.

I wasn't impressed with martinze last time either and if I remember we all had some nice cash on him here and it was damn close lol...

I think cruishank is much much better than martinez' last opponent and not to do mma math but its hard not to compare the two and martinez' last fight. I've seen some pretty impressive glimpses from daron, and also some pretty 'meh' moments. Not impressed with him against tickle, solid win but not impressed. yet I think he controls tthis fight where he wants it, so if it doesn't work out on the feet with his tae kwon he can use his legit wrestling to perhaps take it on the ground. But i do give henry the jitz edge so I don't know if daron wants that option.

You all think daron would win a striking match with henry? I'm thinkng yes, but can't say that with confidence and I think that's what you're banking on here.. I thnk henry has a legit guard, so daron probbaly wants to keep it upright and he has the wrestling to keep it there if he wants to or he can take it down if not I think...

**Mercersux** · 12-07-12, 12:05 AM

UFC on Fox 5 staredowns...