UFC on FOX 5: Henderson vs. Diaz (Dec 08)

**BASSENCO** · 12-04-12, 06:49 PM

I picked Henderson to win.

I picked Henderson to win.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 12-04-12, 10:49 PM

I lean towards Diaz

There is no way Diaz doesn't outbox Henderson, I think the only chance Henderson has is playing a points game for 5 rounds using distance striking and maneuvering around a boxing match then scoring random takedowns when diaz gets frustrated. But in a 5 round fight I think Diaz pulls something off.

**bjpenn85** · 12-05-12, 04:48 AM

yep.

**Fragoel2** · 12-05-12, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

I lean towards Diaz

There is no way Diaz doesn't outbox Henderson, I think the only chance Henderson has is playing a points game for 5 rounds using distance striking and maneuvering around a boxing match then scoring random takedowns when diaz gets frustrated. But in a 5 round fight I think Diaz pulls something off.

I see no reason why Henderson should be fighting this as a boxing match. That's the fight Diaz wants and IMHO Henderson has enough fight IQ to avoid that.

**bjpenn85** · 12-05-12, 06:08 AM

easier said and done.

**bjpenn85** · 12-05-12, 06:09 AM

than maybe...than

**Vaughany** · 12-05-12, 01:49 PM

Kalikas has released rest of odds....expect Nijem and Easton to get action

**Vaughany** · 12-05-12, 02:06 PM

**Beelzebubzy** · 12-05-12, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Kalikas has released rest of odds....expect Nijem and Easton to get action

Yeah hit both and Jeremy. Yves is chinny IMO

**PunisherIND** · 12-05-12, 02:39 PM

pulling the trigger on this -- no sense playing the distance prop at the same price

Nate Diaz/Ben Henderson* Over 4½ -180

MD · 12-05-12, 02:47 PM

John Albert has been one of my favourite fighters to bet on for quite a while, and I still don't think he's an easy fight for anyone. Scott Jorgensen is no joke, though, and I expect him to grind the shit out of Albert for three rounds. I'll contemplate the play, though.

I'm on Nijem -150, and Easton -155, Stephens -170 (bet Edwards +190 heavy earlier, so this is to arb), I'm on Swick at +150 on Paddy Power, also, but nothing huge as I can't get down much money there.

**PunisherIND** · 12-05-12, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Yeah hit both and Jeremy. Yves is chinny IMO

following suit on stephens and easton

Jeremy Stephens* -180
Mike Easton* -185

**PunisherIND** · 12-05-12, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by MD

John Albert has been one of my favourite fighters to bet on for quite a while, and I still don't think he's an easy fight for anyone. Scott Jorgensen is no joke, though, and I expect him to grind the shit out of Albert for three rounds. I'll contemplate the play, though.

I'm on Nijem -150, and Easton -155, Stephens -170 (bet Edwards +190 heavy earlier, so this is to arb), I'm on Swick at +150 on Paddy Power, also, but nothing huge as I can't get down much money there.

nice job hitting those lines brotha.

MD · 12-05-12, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

nice job hitting those lines brotha.

Thanks buddeh. I was pretty happy about it, because I've been getting Jewed with UFC openers recently. They've opened while I was taking a shower twice since October, and once while I was taking a dump.

**PunisherIND** · 12-05-12, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by MD

Thanks buddeh. I was pretty happy about it, because I've been getting Jewed with UFC openers recently. They've opened while I was taking a shower twice since October, and once while I was taking a dump.

hahaha, i feel you on that b/c they always seem to release lines while im commuting home. but, taking a dump is only an excuse if you dont have a laptop. i do some of my best work on the throne.

**Sacrelicious** · 12-05-12, 04:06 PM

Those closing lines are kicking my ass, and hard, and they are not even closed yet.

Oh well, live and learn

**gabe** · 12-05-12, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by MD

Thanks buddeh. I was pretty happy about it, because I've been getting Jewed with UFC openers recently. They've opened while I was taking a shower twice since October, and once while I was taking a dump.

I never take a dump without my iphone or laptop lol

I would say over 50% of my posts on here are from the john lol

**NunyaBidness** · 12-05-12, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I never take a dump without my iphone or laptop lol

I would say over 50% of my posts on here are from the john lol

Dear god you take a lot of shits. You should probably see a gastroenterologist.

**gabe** · 12-05-12, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Dear god you take a lot of shits. You should probably see a gastroenterologist.

I think I really should.

I also spit out a lot of phlegm and blow my nose a lot throughout the day. It started happening since the 2nd semester of my senior year in high school. Before that, I would get a runny nose in the winter one week out of the year, since then, it's been every single day. I saw an ear, nose, and throat doctor about it, he looked and didn't see anything, and told me it was all in my head. WTF? How does my throat get filled with phlegm and my nose fill up constantly, if it's all in my head? I don't know who to go see about this shit, just been dealing with it.

**Grabaka** · 12-05-12, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I think I really should.

I also spit out a lot of phlegm and blow my nose a lot throughout the day. It started happening since the 2nd semester of my senior year in high school. Before that, I would get a runny nose in the winter one week out of the year, since then, it's been every single day. I saw an ear, nose, and throat doctor about it, he looked and didn't see anything, and told me it was all in my head. WTF? How does my throat get filled with phlegm and my nose fill up constantly, if it's all in my head? I don't know who to go see about this shit, just been dealing with it.

That could be the weed on a cronic user.

**Mercersux** · 12-05-12, 07:48 PM

**Sacrelicious** · 12-05-12, 08:14 PM

LOL @ NewYorkRic.

On Gustafsson KO'g Shogun: "It wont be late...but it will be in the middle rounds"

Is that record actually legitimate? I have my doubts, his last few segments were disasters.

**eligibletackle** · 12-05-12, 09:21 PM

Liking Diaz - not enough to go crazy w/ the betting.

The Henderson sub defense seems like it's getting blown out of proportion. The real takeaway from his first fight vs Cerrone is that he put himself in compromising positions w/ frequency. Nate's jitz is arguably some of the most fundamentally sound at 155. Outside of his standing kimura BS (which are usually to set up trips/tosses), people dont escape his subs. He never really 'fishes' for submissions like some BJJ players but he takes what presented and his finishing rate is impeccable. If Henderson fights like he did vs Cerrone the first time, Nate's taking an arm along w/ the belt. Henderson has gotten out of dicey situations but it's mostly b/c he put himself there in the first place.

Not saying this is Nate by submission all day, but to dismiss that outcome based on Henderson's defensive grappling prowess and unwillingness to tap is flat out dumb.

**Thor4140** · 12-05-12, 09:44 PM

Finally got my bet in on Swick before you guys talked the line up to -300

**gabe** · 12-05-12, 10:11 PM

Bendo is like Ebersole, they can't be choked out.

**gabe** · 12-05-12, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Finally got my bet in on Swick before you guys talked the line up to -300

-300? lol wtf where

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-05-12, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

following suit on stephens and easton

Jeremy Stephens* -180
Mike Easton* -185

why you dig easton as a sizeable fav? I think i'm liking assuncao as a +200ish dog, like easton he's very well rounded and I think he's always been underrated, especially his striking that's developed nicely with his jitz... Both guys have great kicks so it'll be interesting...Think this fight is closer than the line reflects, curious why some people are liking easton at near -200?

Sucks he isn't fighting caraway, I would have paid some juice on easton in that one.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-05-12, 11:47 PM

hoping these lines get up on my book soon, liking a couple other dogs and couple favs!

Side note, what odds you all think lavar would have opened at against schaub? I liked him in that if he was at decent dog odds, would have been a fun fight too sucks it got canceled.

MD · 12-06-12, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

hoping these lines get up on my book soon, liking a couple other dogs and couple favs!

Side note, what odds you all think lavar would have opened at against schaub? I liked him in that if he was at decent dog odds, would have been a fun fight too sucks it got canceled.

I doubt Schaub would have lost that fight. To be honest, I was planning on a pretty sizeable play on Schaub by sub, which I was expecting to get at great odds, hedged with Lavar wins in round one.

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by MD

I doubt Schaub would have lost that fight. To be honest, I was planning on a pretty sizeable play on Schaub by sub, which I was expecting to get at great odds, hedged with Lavar wins in round one.

Huh? Schaub has the weakest chin amongst HW's, Lavar would have knocked him out in 15 seconds

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

why you dig easton as a sizeable fav? I think i'm liking assuncao as a +200ish dog, like easton he's very well rounded and I think he's always been underrated, especially his striking that's developed nicely with his jitz... Both guys have great kicks so it'll be interesting...Think this fight is closer than the line reflects, curious why some people are liking easton at near -200?

Sucks he isn't fighting caraway, I would have paid some juice on easton in that one.

Agree, I took Easton at -160 expecting to be able to arb with Assuncao at +200 or better. I think Easton is over-rated

**gabe** · 12-06-12, 04:45 AM

Assuncao isn't gonna handle the heat, so he's gonna get out of the kitchen.

**PunisherIND** · 12-06-12, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Assuncao isn't gonna handle the heat, so he's gonna get out of the kitchen.

Lol. Yea, basically how I feel, but I couldn't have said it as poetically as gabers did.

**blumpkin** · 12-06-12, 08:07 AM

Any thoughts on Cruickshank/martinez? Martinez didnt look very impressive to me his last time out.

**Vaughany** · 12-06-12, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by blumpkin

Any thoughts on Cruickshank/martinez? Martinez didnt look very impressive to me his last time out.

yeah was expecting Cruickshank to be the dog