UFC on FOX 5: Henderson vs. Diaz (Dec 08)

**Educ8d Degener8** · 12-07-12, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Assuncao isn't gonna handle the heat, so he's gonna get out of the kitchen.

Let's hope he doesn't end up in your bathroom.

re: Stephens v Yves, I like Heathen, but can't say I'd play ITD tbh - IIRC, in his last two fights (Pettis and Cowboy), Heathen has actually tried to implement a gameplan, no? Using takedowns and shit... weird from Heathen, eh? Nonetheless, if he fights "smart" (wanting to avoid a dreaded 3 fight loss streak), maybe he gets conservative for a points win... or maybe he goes for a fuckin' bonus and comes out a blazin'... With a current 2 fight losing streak though, I'd lean the former.

GL u fawks

**KushMoney** · 12-07-12, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by KushMoney

Means/Trujillo - Over 2.5 -170

Brown/Swick - Over 2.5 +120

Originally posted by PunisherIND

Trujillo/Means won't go 3 round distance +140*
Brown/Swick won't go 3 round distance -185*

Lines have been moving.. but still pretty close.

Value in Nijem/Proctor goes to decision @-115

**Imsmarterthanu** · 12-07-12, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Mercersux

UFC on Fox 5 staredowns...

Whoever said dont be scared homie at the end of the video is a faaaaggg

gonna be some crazy fights for sure

**Sacrelicious** · 12-07-12, 02:48 AM

You could hear it in BJs voice when addressing the comments Rory made, and you could see it in thier staredown, Penn is out to prove a point big time.

Still dont think he will win, but the man is looking to kick some serious ass.

Nate looked posesed.

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Let's hope he doesn't end up in your bathroom.

re: Stephens v Yves, I like Heathen, but can't say I'd play ITD tbh - IIRC, in his last two fights (Pettis and Cowboy), Heathen has actually tried to implement a gameplan, no? Using takedowns and shit... weird from Heathen, eh? Nonetheless, if he fights "smart" (wanting to avoid a dreaded 3 fight loss streak), maybe he gets conservative for a points win... or maybe he goes for a fuckin' bonus and comes out a blazin'... With a current 2 fight losing streak though, I'd lean the former.

GL u fawks

yeah you're right, Lil Heathen has tried to prove that he is an "evolved fighter" in recent times mixing up his game. Perhaps all the frustrations of what's gone on recently will lead to him to fighting a bit more wild and like his old self

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

yea for me it was more a bet against schaubs chin, which I would gladly play for decent dog odds. But I think lavar wouldn't have been too heavy a dog, prob +140ish me thinks and I don't know if that would be valuable enough for me. And I know lavar is pretty much an easy sub, but I can't remember the last time I saw anything special from shcaubs sub grappling. Would have been a fun fight with someone getting dropped nasty like

Schaub subbed Demico Rogers on TUF with an anaconda...I dont think he'd have much trouble getting an arm-triangle....different level to Pat Barry!

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 04:49 AM

Funnystory about Okami!

**Sacrelicious** · 12-07-12, 04:54 AM

Love it. Not sure if anyone has read Chael's book, but the guy is bloody hilarious.

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 05:14 AM

Only one I haven't read yet I think

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 05:15 AM

Oh and Forrest's second book

**Sacrelicious** · 12-07-12, 05:17 AM

Have not read Forrest's second either, not sure I'm entirely interested. I cant say enough good things about Chael's, its the best book by a fighter out there. Theres a bit about the UFC, a little bit of autobiography, but largely its essays and rants.

**Vaughany** · 12-07-12, 12:27 PM

Dana - "The UFC curse strikes again. Tim Means slips in sauna and KO's himself so now Marcus LeVesseur vs Abel Trujillo"

**PunisherIND** · 12-07-12, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by KushMoney

Lines have been moving.. but still pretty close.

Value in Nijem/Proctor goes to decision @-115

@ -105 now. i like it, but im going to wait and see where it settles. hopefully get it at a + number.

**PunisherIND** · 12-07-12, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Dana - "The UFC curse strikes again. Tim Means slips in sauna and KO's himself so now Marcus LeVesseur vs Abel Trujillo"

are you kidding. this has to be a joke.

**gabe** · 12-07-12, 01:15 PM

lol it's for real... crazy shit lmao...

**Thor4140** · 12-07-12, 01:20 PM

Im going with Swick large and hoping for the sake of my wager he doesn't get in a fire fight and start swinging those wide looping punches. this is the only way he could possible lose unless he comes in injured. He is better than Brown everywhere. Brown is just an average fighter with not the greatest of cardio. I thought his fight with Wonderboy set back MMA five years. Henderson /Nate this fight to me is to tough to call. Nate will destroy him standing and Ben will have his way with Nate with his wrestling. Has Nate's take down defense improved this much? I doubt it. I like to take Nate here but i hate to watch a five round smoother match and lose. I doubt Henderson uses the Cerrone gameplan and just sit and bang all night. Henderson isn't this stupid. Shogun/Gus Who in the hell knows which Shogun will show up. All that reach with Gus makes me like him. This fight will probably be exactly like his fight with Thiago. Gus dancing around just picking Shogun apart with Shogun desperately trying to get inside that reach. I'll be rooting for Shogun tho just cause i like the guys heart when he wants to fight. My dog pick will be Proctor. I think this kid has the most potential with his tuff class. Hopefully the bright lights won't bother him but this is a concern. KId is strong and mean. Just my humble opinion

**KushMoney** · 12-07-12, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Dana - "The UFC curse strikes again. Tim Means slips in sauna and KO's himself so now Marcus LeVesseur vs Abel Trujillo"

What the fukk

Good thing he's out of the fight though IMO..

Rather that, than him nearly KO himself and still fight, lose, and bust my fukkin parlays.

I cap LeVesseur (+135) vs. Trujillo (-150)

More of a toss-up now IMO.
Never expect a fighter coming in as a 1 day replacement to be the favorite, but this is still a close fight.
Will it be on the main event?
Good chance this fight goes do a decision.
O/U on that one O2.5 -150

**PunisherIND** · 12-07-12, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by KushMoney

What the fukk

Good thing he's out of the fight though IMO..

Rather that, than him nearly KO himself and still fight, lose, and bust my fukkin parlays.

I cap LeVesseur (+135) vs. Trujillo (-150)

More of a toss-up now IMO.
Never expect a fighter coming in as a 1 day replacement to be the favorite, but this is still a close fight.
Will it be on the main event?
Good chance this fight goes do a decision.
O/U on that one O2.5 -150

cant really consider him a late replacement since he was training for chiesa.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 12-07-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Dana - "The UFC curse strikes again. Tim Means slips in sauna and KO's himself so now Marcus LeVesseur vs Abel Trujillo"

awwww wtf ... i was looking forward to Tim Means fighting wtf that's insane...

**gabe** · 12-07-12, 03:04 PM

I have a feeling LeVesseur got off his diet when the Chiesa fight was scratched... probably filled with burgers and pizza.

**gabe** · 12-07-12, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

awwww wtf ... i was looking forward to Tim Means fighting wtf that's insane...

I was looking forward to hearing Bruce Buffer announce his name and for Goldy to say "TIM MEANS BUSINESS!!!!"

**PunisherIND** · 12-07-12, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I have a feeling LeVesseur got off his diet when the Chiesa fight was scratched... probably filled with burgers and pizza.

good point, but with these guys dropping like flies these days, i think dana probably tells them to stay in shape in case someone else gets hurt.

**NunyaBidness** · 12-07-12, 03:33 PM

Levesseur Opens -205 over Trujillo.

Definitely not playing Levesseur at that price.

**gabe** · 12-07-12, 03:36 PM

I'll be on Trujillo at dog odds

**ShotgunRua** · 12-07-12, 04:21 PM

Yeah I just stuck half a unit on Trujilo considering he was expecting to fight tomorrow. Not taking a huge risk since I'd be favouring Levesseur under normal circumstances.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 12-07-12, 07:48 PM

diaz and bendo both look badly dehydrated

**brokenbrain** · 12-07-12, 08:17 PM

Has Diaz officially made weight yet?

**Imsmarterthanu** · 12-07-12, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by brokenbrain

Has Diaz officially made weight yet?

Yea he came in at 155.2 on his second try and then made 155 on his last try..

Question if Diaz is fighting in Washington and since Marijuana is now completely legal in Washington to smoke recreationally even without a prescription does that mean that Nate can go into the fight high?

Anyone think Nick and Nate will blaze up after the fight at least ?? maybe light a joint in the octagon ? that would be sick

**Rubber Guard** · 12-07-12, 08:51 PM

I just hope when Nate wins the same people that always doubt him will stop.

He was a big dog vs. Cerrone and people that don;t like him said Cerrone (undefeated kickboxer) had better striking and would run circles around him. Said he could cancel Nate's Jitz out. And could probably take him down if he wanted. Nate went out and made him look like a fool.

Then the same people said he wouldn't beat Miller because Miller is a solid wrestler with BJJ. And Nate would lose like "Diaz always does". By getting wrestled. And he went out and destroyed him.

Now the same guys are saying Ben Henderson has wrestling and good BJJ. And is too "explosive" or something. And Nate will lose.

Seems like people still wouldn't even say Nate is a top 3 LW in teh world. Not sure why but people just don't want to think Nate is that good. But he is. Very good.

**zoo youk** · 12-07-12, 08:59 PM

can we talk about the under card please? specifically the Nam Phan - Siver fight.

Phan has been an improbable run, i just don't see how he can keep this shit up especially against Siver. Siver should be able to throw him around like a rag doll ang GNP him to death.

this may be my only play on the card n biggest MMA play in a while

**MMAbetMASTA** · 12-07-12, 08:59 PM

This is what I got so far... Paying some juice fellas, last time I took two big favs it was a horrible night, but I feel pretty confident in these, tempted to double up on siver or rory, just haven't decided which one...???

90191559-1	12/7/2012 7:22 PM	Money Line	285.00	100.00	Other Sports - 2446 D Siver -285 for Game
90195260-1	12/7/2012 8:55 PM	Money Line	145.00	50.00	Other Sports - 2410 R MacDonald -290 for Game
90195260-2	12/7/2012 8:55 PM	Money Line	25.00	36.25	Other Sports - 2413 M Brown +145 for Game

Also prob gonna double up on brown.

Other dogs I'm waiting on and hoping to get more favorable lines and will play either way are assuncao and edwards.

Waiting on crushank's line too, wish I would have had his odds up on my book last night when he was in -135 range!!! Might be a no play if he continues to go up past -165 (which he's at on my book right now), but hoping he get back down to around -150 and I'll take it.

GL tomorrow everyone, should be a fun card and hope we all cash

**zoo youk** · 12-07-12, 09:05 PM

i would double up on Siver. never been so confident in a bet.

**zoo youk** · 12-07-12, 09:06 PM

he should be able to walk right through Nams attacks and bring him to the ground with no problem.

only worry is if he takes a pussy approach and tries to win the points game, playing into Nams style but that would just be insanely stupid.

**Rubber Guard** · 12-07-12, 09:24 PM

Never been a huge Siver backer. But he should mop up Phan. Siver is pretty strong and has decent TDD. Standing I've always thought he was overrated, but he is certainly better than Phan and surely has more power.

MD · 12-07-12, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by zoo youk

he should be able to walk right through Nams attacks and bring him to the ground with no problem.

only worry is if he takes a pussy approach and tries to win the points game, playing into Nams style but that would just be insanely stupid.

Why do you expect him to take Phan down? He's a striker; probably a better striker than Phan, too.