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  • alvinho
    SBR Rookie
    • 10-15-09
    • 19

    #3886
    Guys, i was reading about HR/FB regressing towards average, but what about Burnett? Ssince going to the Blue Jays he had 11.8, 17.7, 9.6, 10.8, 11.6 and 17.0%.
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    • Krazymojo
      SBR Sharp
      • 12-01-10
      • 444

      #3887
      Originally posted by guil0000
      Milwaukee seems like a good price with Marcum going against the rookie Collmenter
      agreed especially with Marcum's Away stats
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      • Redscot
        SBR MVP
        • 05-16-11
        • 2571

        #3888
        Originally posted by alvinho
        Guys, i was reading about HR/FB regressing towards average, but what about Burnett? Ssince going to the Blue Jays he had 11.8, 17.7, 9.6, 10.8, 11.6 and 17.0%.
        Ballparks can have an influence on the HR/FB rate as well, Yankee is prone to the long ball. HR/FB rates also tend to fluctuate year to year. Take a look at Burnett's xfip. That stat puts all pitchers HR/FB % at the league mean and recalculates there era as such hence his 3.86 xfip and 5.15 era.

        As always stats can only tell you so much. Burnett has 3 straight years where his HR/FB % is above league average and it's climbing. Maybe the xfip is being to gentle with him. Also, digging deeper he has given up as many HR's % wise on the road as at home in his tenure with the Yanks.

        GL digging around, there is so much info available to us now it is ridiculous.
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        • Exxpresso
          SBR Sharp
          • 08-29-10
          • 279

          #3889
          Anyone likes the Under 9 Zona/Brewers ? I think this might be a very good bet. On the ML I like the Rays and the Dbacks. Yanks/Detroit and Cards/Phillies are not predictable in my opinion and could go either way.
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          • Love The Action
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-08-10
            • 10952

            #3890
            MLB 2011 Playoffs 10/4/11


            Play #1

            Phillies/Cards under (7)(+100) 1x (Locked)


            Really busy...talk to you guys later....good luck.
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            • alvinho
              SBR Rookie
              • 10-15-09
              • 19

              #3891
              Originally posted by Redscot
              Ballparks can have an influence on the HR/FB rate as well, Yankee is prone to the long ball. HR/FB rates also tend to fluctuate year to year. Take a look at Burnett's xfip. That stat puts all pitchers HR/FB % at the league mean and recalculates there era as such hence his 3.86 xfip and 5.15 era.

              As always stats can only tell you so much. Burnett has 3 straight years where his HR/FB % is above league average and it's climbing. Maybe the xfip is being to gentle with him. Also, digging deeper he has given up as many HR's % wise on the road as at home in his tenure with the Yanks.

              GL digging around, there is so much info available to us now it is ridiculous.
              My thought process was this: (please point any flaws )
              AJ Burnett ERA is 5.15, but his xFIP is 3.86. A look at the HR/FB ratio shows that it is at 17%, way above average, explaining the difference between ERA and xFIP.

              Then I tried to discover why his HR/FB was so high. I thought it was because of Yankees ballpark, but here is his HR/FB ratio since joining the Yankees:
              Home: 10.9, 10.6, 16.8
              Away: 10.7, 12.4, 17.4
              his aways stats are WORSE than his home stats, so ballpark doesnt explain it.

              So maybe his HR/FB ratio will always be higher and xFIP doesnt "work" for him, since it uses league average HR/FB.
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              • Redscot
                SBR MVP
                • 05-16-11
                • 2571

                #3892
                Originally posted by alvinho
                My thought process was this: (please point any flaws )
                AJ Burnett ERA is 5.15, but his xFIP is 3.86. A look at the HR/FB ratio shows that it is at 17%, way above average, explaining the difference between ERA and xFIP.

                Then I tried to discover why his HR/FB was so high. I thought it was because of Yankees ballpark, but here is his HR/FB ratio since joining the Yankees:
                Home: 10.9, 10.6, 16.8
                Away: 10.7, 12.4, 17.4
                his aways stats are WORSE than his home stats, so ballpark doesnt explain it.

                So maybe his HR/FB ratio will always be higher and xFIP doesnt "work" for him, since it uses league average HR/FB.
                Seems like sound reasoning to me. That's how I read it as well. X-fip is good,but it is always good to dig deeper. I trust Siera the most for any single pitcher evaluator.
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                • Redscot
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-16-11
                  • 2571

                  #3893
                  Originally posted by Love The Action
                  MLB 2011 Playoffs 10/4/11


                  Play #1

                  Phillies/Cards under (7)(+100) 1x (Locked)


                  Really busy...talk to you guys later....good luck.
                  . Was just capping this one LTA. Since you are short on time I'll post some thoughts.

                  This game should provide the pitchers with an early shadow's advantage, which hopefully gets them into a nice rhythm. Hamels is top 5 NL this year in his pitching peripherals and Garcia is top 10. Both have had success against the opposing lineups, Layne (assume he is ump)has a big juicy strike zone, and they both have had a good experience with Layne too. Hamels has great peripherals against both LHB and RHB, Garcia has been dominant at home traditionally. Getting Pence has helped the Phils improve against LHP, but they are still susceptible.

                  Hamels tends to get you a little deeper into the game so Cards pen needs to be ready to step in and get the job done. They have actually been very solid over the last month.
                  Looking forward to the rest of your card my man
                  Last edited by Redscot; 10-04-11, 07:31 AM.
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                  • Redscot
                    SBR MVP
                    • 05-16-11
                    • 2571

                    #3894
                    Looks like roof will be open at Chase field.
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                    • Redscot
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-16-11
                      • 2571

                      #3895
                      Some advanced batting stats weighing equally home/away, vs. LHP/RHP, and last 30 days.

                      Phillies: Woba = .308, Wrc+ = 91, OPS = .698
                      Cardinals: Woba = .335, Wrc+ = 121, OPS = .771

                      Brewers: Woba = .326, Wrc+ = 105, OPS = .747
                      D-Backs: Woba = .334, Wrc+ = 104, OPS = .766

                      Rangers: Woba = .352, Wrc+ = 116, OPS = .812
                      Rays: Woba = .322, Wrc+ = 105, OPS = .725

                      Yanks: Woba = .327, Wrc+ = 101, OPS = .747
                      Tigers Woba = .354, Wrc+ = 121, OPS = .820

                      Take em for what they're worth. Had some time on my hands
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                      • Love The Action
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-08-10
                        • 10952

                        #3896
                        Originally posted by Redscot
                        Looks like roof will be open at Chase field.
                        Interesting....why is todays game with marcum and collmenter set at 9, and tomorrows game with wolf and saunders set at 8.5? Are the books leaning over today or did they give us value on the under? Marcum and collmenter are both big time fly ball pitchers....hmm...
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                        • Trivial
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-22-09
                          • 1328

                          #3897
                          Hi folks. Really scared about the board today. Scared about phil/stl under. Been burned twice recently on that play although it is still the correct play. Thinking of Texas again. Thoughts?
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                          • Love The Action
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 11-08-10
                            • 10952

                            #3898
                            Originally posted by Redscot
                            Some advanced batting stats weighing equally home/away, vs. LHP/RHP, and last 30 days.

                            Phillies: Woba = .308, Wrc+ = 91, OPS = .698
                            Cardinals: Woba = .335, Wrc+ = 121, OPS = .771

                            Brewers: Woba = .326, Wrc+ = 105, OPS = .747
                            D-Backs: Woba = .334, Wrc+ = 104, OPS = .766

                            Rangers: Woba = .352, Wrc+ = 116, OPS = .812
                            Rays: Woba = .322, Wrc+ = 105, OPS = .725

                            Yanks: Woba = .327, Wrc+ = 101, OPS = .747
                            Tigers Woba = .354, Wrc+ = 121, OPS = .820

                            Take em for what they're worth. Had some time on my hands
                            Thanks!! Good stuff...Phillies better, but still not great against lefties...

                            I saw a lot of guys are taking the rangers today. Certainly, that is the logical choice with harrison having better advanced stats than hell boy. However, I'm just not sold quite yet. My problem is that the rangers play right into hellicksons strength. Hellickson is a full two runs better in xFIP against righties than lefties and the rangers are only going to have at most three lefthanded bats in their lineup today. In addition, harrison has not pitched well against tb in the past and the rays are a much better hitting team against lefties as opposed to righties. Interesting game...need to think about it more.

                            Thanks for sharing your hard work
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                            • alvinho
                              SBR Rookie
                              • 10-15-09
                              • 19

                              #3899
                              big line movement on the yankees, pinny opened the Tigers at -115 I think and its already down to -102, with the Yankees favorite at -104
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                              • Trivial
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-22-09
                                • 1328

                                #3900
                                Always appreciate the hard work you do everyone.
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                                • investing4us
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 03-25-11
                                  • 128

                                  #3901
                                  What do you guys think about the tex vs tb today?
                                  The line opened at 8 and is at 8.5 now juicing the under (-120)
                                  Looking at taking the under here.
                                  Last edited by investing4us; 10-04-11, 10:01 AM.
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                                  • Love The Action
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-08-10
                                    • 10952

                                    #3902
                                    Originally posted by alvinho
                                    My thought process was this: (please point any flaws )
                                    AJ Burnett ERA is 5.15, but his xFIP is 3.86. A look at the HR/FB ratio shows that it is at 17%, way above average, explaining the difference between ERA and xFIP.

                                    Then I tried to discover why his HR/FB was so high. I thought it was because of Yankees ballpark, but here is his HR/FB ratio since joining the Yankees:
                                    Home: 10.9, 10.6, 16.8
                                    Away: 10.7, 12.4, 17.4
                                    his aways stats are WORSE than his home stats, so ballpark doesnt explain it.

                                    So maybe his HR/FB ratio will always be higher and xFIP doesnt "work" for him, since it uses league average HR/FB.
                                    Good stuff. Dont forget to look at his other stats which can historically correlate to a higher hr frequency. Also, remember that the visiting ballparks within his division are all launching pads except for tb and he came to the yanks from the national league. GL
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                                    • Redscot
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 05-16-11
                                      • 2571

                                      #3903
                                      Originally posted by Love The Action
                                      Interesting....why is todays game with marcum and collmenter set at 9, and tomorrows game with wolf and saunders set at 8.5? Are the books leaning over today or did they give us value on the under? Marcum and collmenter are both big time fly ball pitchers....hmm...
                                      Neither one of these guys could crack an egg with their Fastball's. Marcum can miss some bats while Collmenter has a hard time putting anyone away, especially LHB's. As you pointed out, roof open, both flyball pitchers.......Collmenter had back to back starts against Mil in July where he shut them out for 14 innings BUT there was no Braun and Milwaukee put up a babip of .167 in those games. Joe West is the ump I think .
                                      Last edited by Redscot; 10-04-11, 10:24 AM.
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                                      • Redscot
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-16-11
                                        • 2571

                                        #3904
                                        Originally posted by Love The Action
                                        Thanks!! Good stuff...Phillies better, but still not great against lefties...

                                        I saw a lot of guys are taking the rangers today. Certainly, that is the logical choice with harrison having better advanced stats than hell boy. However, I'm just not sold quite yet. My problem is that the rangers play right into hellicksons strength. Hellickson is a full two runs better in xFIP against righties than lefties and the rangers are only going to have at most three lefthanded bats in their lineup today. In addition, harrison has not pitched well against tb in the past and the rays are a much better hitting team against lefties as opposed to righties. Interesting game...need to think about it more.

                                        Thanks for sharing your hard work
                                        Yeah, this one is tough. Harrison dwarfs Hellickson's peripherals (Hell boy has to be considered one of the luckier pitchers this year advanced stats wise), BUT Rays do hit LHP's better and Harrison's K% drops agood deal against RHB's (you know Maddon will be stacking RHB's). Hellickson really struggles putting LHB's away as you stated but is much better against the RHB's. Hellickson is a pretty cool customer and I don't think the moment will be too big for him, plus it's been 9 starts since he has given up more than 3 runs in a game.
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                                        • Redscot
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 05-16-11
                                          • 2571

                                          #3905
                                          Under getting juiced in St. Louis
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                                          • Love The Action
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-08-10
                                            • 10952

                                            #3906
                                            Originally posted by Redscot
                                            Neither one of these guys could crack an egg with their Fastball's. Marcum can miss some bats while Collmenter has a hard time putting anyone away, especially LHB's. As you pointed out, roof open, both flyball pitchers.......Collmenter had back to back starts against Mil in July where he shut them out for 14 innings BUT there was no Braun and Milwaukee put up a babip of .167 in those games. Joe West is the ump I think .
                                            Wind blowing out at 16 mph...
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                                            • Trivial
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-22-09
                                              • 1328

                                              #3907
                                              Originally posted by Redscot
                                              Under getting juiced in St. Louis
                                              Crap. I was about to pull the trigger and it is -110 now. I will likely take it. It is the right play. Still not sure on the rangers.
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                                              • investing4us
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 03-25-11
                                                • 128

                                                #3908
                                                Lta, Redscott,

                                                What do you guys like on the totals in the tb game?
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                                                • Redscot
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-16-11
                                                  • 2571

                                                  #3909
                                                  Originally posted by Love The Action
                                                  Wind blowing out at 16 mph...
                                                  Oh my!

                                                  If that one could somehow hit 8 1/2 I am all over it.
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                                                  • Donnie Brasco
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 01-04-11
                                                    • 862

                                                    #3910
                                                    Just want to say thanks to LTA, redscot and all the contributors to this thread. U guys are amazing! I am new to this sabermetrics business, and u guys are fountains of knowledge. I get overwhelmed just looking at fangraphs. Good luck to all of you, i will be tailing! Also check out lsu this weekend, they will destroy a brantley-less florida!
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                                                    • Love The Action
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-08-10
                                                      • 10952

                                                      #3911
                                                      Originally posted by Redscot
                                                      Yeah, this one is tough. Harrison dwarfs Hellickson's peripherals (Hell boy has to be considered one of the luckier pitchers this year advanced stats wise), BUT Rays do hit LHP's better and Harrison's K% drops agood deal against RHB's (you know Maddon will be stacking RHB's). Hellickson really struggles putting LHB's away as you stated but is much better against the RHB's. Hellickson is a pretty cool customer and I don't think the moment will be too big for him, plus it's been 9 starts since he has given up more than 3 runs in a game.
                                                      Hellboy is by far one of the luckiest pitchers this season, but is better at home and against righties. I sort of lean over, but not at 8.5...maybe at v8 it would be more appealing...
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                                                      • Redscot
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-16-11
                                                        • 2571

                                                        #3912
                                                        Originally posted by investing4us
                                                        Lta, Redscott,

                                                        What do you guys like on the totals in the tb game?
                                                        I'd wait on LTA's opinion he has model's that he puts together that get further in depth than I.

                                                        Since you asked though, as mentioned above Hellickson is a different pitcher against RHB's than LHB's and he will only be seeing 3 LHB's. He is also better at home and hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 9 starts (he should keep Tampa in it.) Harrison gets a lot of GB's and keeps the ball in the park, a very steady pitcher. My gut says this game should be in the 6 range when the starters come out, then it's on the pens, who have performed well. Gun to my head I would take the under, but I will probably be passing on this game altogether.
                                                        Last edited by Redscot; 10-04-11, 11:12 AM.
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                                                        • Love The Action
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-08-10
                                                          • 10952

                                                          #3913
                                                          Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                                                          Just want to say thanks to LTA, redscot and all the contributors to this thread. U guys are amazing! I am new to this sabermetrics business, and u guys are fountains of knowledge. I get overwhelmed just looking at fangraphs. Good luck to all of you, i will be tailing! Also check out lsu this weekend, they will destroy a brantley-less florida!
                                                          I agree about florida, but depends on the line. What is the current number?
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                                                          • Redscot
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 05-16-11
                                                            • 2571

                                                            #3914
                                                            Originally posted by Donnie Brasco
                                                            Just want to say thanks to LTA, redscot and all the contributors to this thread. U guys are amazing! I am new to this sabermetrics business, and u guys are fountains of knowledge. I get overwhelmed just looking at fangraphs. Good luck to all of you, i will be tailing! Also check out lsu this weekend, they will destroy a brantley-less florida!


                                                            Line sitting at 13 1/2 atm
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                                                            • investing4us
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 03-25-11
                                                              • 128

                                                              #3915
                                                              Originally posted by Redscot
                                                              I'd wait on LTA's opinion he has model's that he puts together that get further in depth than I.

                                                              Since you asked though, as mentioned above Hellickson is a different pitcher against RHB's than LHB's and he will only be seeing 3 LHB's. He is also better at home and hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 9 starts (he should keep Tampa in it.) Harrison gets a lot of GB's and keeps the ball in the park, a very steady pitcher. My gut says this game should be in the 6 range when the starters come out, then it's on the pens, who have performed well. Gun to my head I would take the under, but I will probably be passing on this game altogether.

                                                              Thanks for your opinion.
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                                                              • NeverWrong
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 10-03-11
                                                                • 8

                                                                #3916
                                                                Rangers at -102. Am i really this good
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                                                                • Redscot
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-16-11
                                                                  • 2571

                                                                  #3917
                                                                  Originally posted by NeverWrong
                                                                  Rangers at -102. Am i really this good
                                                                  Think the Cardinal line will tighten?
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                                                                  • Love The Action
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 11-08-10
                                                                    • 10952

                                                                    #3918
                                                                    Originally posted by NeverWrong
                                                                    Rangers at -102. Am i really this good
                                                                    No
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                                                                    • NeverWrong
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 10-03-11
                                                                      • 8

                                                                      #3919
                                                                      Originally posted by Redscot
                                                                      Think the Cardinal line will tighten?
                                                                      I doubt it. Its tempting to think the phillies have been too steeply priced all series but ill defer to the market on this one

                                                                      Mayberry in for ibanez is a pretty big plus for the phillies
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                                                                      • Redscot
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 05-16-11
                                                                        • 2571

                                                                        #3920
                                                                        Here's an interesting stat, nothing to do with betting, just an observation.
                                                                        A.J. Burnett, what an enigma. Great "stuff". . So Burnett has a wicked curve in his arsenal which he uses 30% of the time on the mound. Naturally, when a pitcher gets down in the count he goes more fastball, less off speed, well Burnett is just ridiculous. on counts 2-0,3-0,3-1 he uses his curve 1 % of the time! When he is ahead of the count you can expect it 50% +. That is F-ing ridiculous, can't believe they haven't corrected this tendency a tad at least. He's also good for a wild pitch a game .
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