Shari's tennis plays

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 10:24 AM

Wawrinka vs Brown is playing out like you'd expect a Raonic-Karlovic or Isner-Karlovic match on hard to play out.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 10:25 AM

Hey gange - what book is it?

Every book's rules are different. Some void the play no matter when someone retires. Others won't void if the first set has been completed. And then there are others - called "one ball books" - who never void if one ball has been played. With those books whomever progresses to the next round is considered the winner.

**Ruff** · 04-26-11, 10:28 AM

I think 5dimes rules are it MUST go 2 complete sets then its official.
Its ok Shari smalll wager and Ive had winners that I was down 2-4 in 3rd and WON lol
But I agree all plays off if anyone retires

**Ruff** · 04-26-11, 10:30 AM

Wawrinka you need a break and or a wake-up call

**gangeriver** · 04-26-11, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by shari91

Hey gange - what book is it?

Every book's rules are different. Some void the play no matter when someone retires. Others won't void if the first set has been completed. And then there are others - called "one ball books" - who never void if one ball has been played. With those books whomever progresses to the next round is considered the winner.

betonline.

Sophia: you chose Pablo Andujar
you: yes
you: and he retired
you: doesn't lose
Sophia: Alejandro Falla - 14 Pablo Andujar - 11
Sophia: that was the Points scored in Game period
you: it seems you collect all of points and decide about match.
you: it was 1-1
you: ok. thanks
you: have a nice day

can you belive this? they collect all of points

not problem...your other plays were excellent and I made a lot of money.
supergirl shari = bankrol builder

**Ruff** · 04-26-11, 10:38 AM

Brianti Alberta (ITA) 6 6
Pironkova Tsvetana (BUL) 1 2

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 10:40 AM

So they go by the number of games won in the match???

That is honestly the first time I've heard that rule and that rule is shocking! People retire when they're in the lead - so then what? The guy who was winning the match but retired still is counted as the winner for people's bets????

I'm not telling you what to do but I'd be very careful betting tennis with them any more. That's the most ridiculous rule ever.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Ruff

Brianti Alberta (ITA) 6 6
Pironkova Tsvetana (BUL) 1 2

Thank goodness for her because Wawrinka just blew my parlay by getting broken just then.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 10:45 AM

What the hell is Wawrinka's problem? He's looked crappy all year since beating Roddick at AO. Very sloppy tennis for him. It's very conceivable he loses to Dustin Brown on clay here. I dare say, would that be the upset of the year so far? Seriously. Dustin Brown is just a big server and he usually doesn't even win on hard.

**Greekster** · 04-26-11, 11:30 AM

Tailing on the Raonic pick.

GL

**bowtakwah** · 04-26-11, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

What the hell is Wawrinka's problem? He's looked crappy all year since beating Roddick at AO. Very sloppy tennis for him. It's very conceivable he loses to Dustin Brown on clay here. I dare say, would that be the upset of the year so far? Seriously. Dustin Brown is just a big server and he usually doesn't even win on hard.

No. Your overreacting when clearly clay is different from hard.

**brandoc** · 04-26-11, 11:45 AM

Hey Shari, great run you're on lately- stoked to see you completely nailing it!

Best of luck with the rest of today!

**yisman** · 04-26-11, 11:52 AM

Llag was up 4-1 on Razzano and serving, thus up two breaks. She lost the set 5-7.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 11:57 AM

Andreev made some really bad errors and Milos is up a break. Let's hope he just serves the set out.

**rafa martin** · 04-26-11, 12:01 PM

ay wawrinka,,,,so much talent and so inestable what's wrong with this guy....he broke me a 6 leg parlay,,, that's all i am able to bet at eurobet...no handicapp, no total games,, so to reduce juice i put them together,,, but i guess this won't work out,,,,5 out of 6 and still lose. i think you are heating up for the upcoming events... i can feel it shari...

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 12:12 PM

I still don't see why people fight me when I call Raonic a big serving dick. Anytime he's remotely in trouble on his serve, he whallops an ace or a heavy first serve that can't be returned. And usually he gets a break because his opponent just screws up.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

I still don't see why people fight me when I call Raonic a big serving dick. Anytime he's remotely in trouble on his serve, he whallops an ace or a heavy first serve that can't be returned. And usually he gets a break because his opponent just screws up.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by shari91

The one break he milked to the first set was all Andreev whacking the balls wildly and making bad UE. Now, Raonic was just down 2 break points. The first one he served too hard to return. Second time, Andreev missed a passing shot into the net that would have won him that set most likely.

**EaglesPhan36** · 04-26-11, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Ruff

I think 5dimes rules are it MUST go 2 complete sets then its official. Its ok Shari smalll wager and Ive had winners that I was down 2-4 in 3rd and WON lol But I agree all plays off if anyone retires

5Dimes is a one set book.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 12:42 PM

Raonic may break now. 2 of the points Andreev was winning the rally and missed the winner by inches. He just now made a terrible UE for Raonic to break.

Im just saying. Seems fortune goes Raonic's way in these matches. It's looking like a winner though. Thanks Shari!!

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 12:48 PM

Raonic down 0-40 on serve. 2 straight big serves to 30-40 and Andreev misses an easy putaway after a monster forehand put Raonic on the defensive(impressive Raonic just got it over the net). Raonic clinches the set with an unreturned 2nd serve. He is DEFINITELY serving his way out of trouble

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 12:56 PM

Raonic now serving for the match

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 01:03 PM

koscheck, the funny thing is that most people refer to Andreev as only having his serve as a weapon and that's it. You're being blinded by your dislike for Raonic. Yes he has a great serve - and most anyone on the tour would kill for it. But he's not just a "big serving dick". That title can go to someone like Isner. A guy who has no net game, can't rally, doesn't chase down balls, nothing. If he didn't have his serve, he wouldn't be a pro today.

Anyone who watched the Ferrer/Raonic Aussie Open match knows that this kid has much more game than just his serve, and the fact that he's so young and has so much time to develop is what makes him so fascinating.

If Andreev loses this match, he'll be 2-5 on clay this year so far. His 2 wins came against Schwank and Grampa Russell. Win or lose, I went with the better player on the surface and the guy who has produced better results this season.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 01:05 PM

HE WINS!!! Saved two break points with big serves of course. Here was my tally on that game. Lost 4 ralllies, 1 double fault, 6 cheap serve points, and an ace.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 01:05 PM

Woohoo Milos!

**Greekster** · 04-26-11, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the "big serving dick" pick Shari

3-0 when tailing you

Congrats!

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by shari91

koscheck, the funny thing is that most people refer to Andreev as only having his serve as a weapon and that's it. You're being blinded by your dislike for Raonic. Yes he has a great serve - and most anyone on the tour would kill for it. But he's not just a "big serving dick". That title can go to someone like Isner. A guy who has no net game, can't rally, doesn't chase down balls, nothing. If he didn't have his serve, he wouldn't be a pro today.

Anyone who watched the Ferrer/Raonic Aussie Open match knows that this kid has much more game than just his serve, and the fact that he's so young and has so much time to develop is what makes him so fascinating.

If Andreev loses this match, he'll be 2-5 on clay this year so far. His 2 wins came against Schwank and Grampa Russell. Win or lose, I went with the better player on the surface and the guy who has produced better results this season.

He has SOME game(big forehand). But it's clear he'd lose a lot at this point if not for that HUUUUGE serve. He wins sets on just one break from his opponent and can even win tiebreaks just by holding all his serve points.

Whenever I see him involved in a rally, he's on the losing end usually. If his serve gets returned and he can't mash the ball past an out of position returner, he'll lose the point. He makes up for it though by acing or putting up 2 heavy serves right afterwards.

I must say it was a relief to be on that end of it. I WILL NEVER bet against Raonic. It'd be way too upsetting to watch the player with the better overall game losing just because they are getting blasted with a serve.

**EaglesPhan36** · 04-26-11, 01:09 PM

Big Serving Dick [BSDs] = John Isner, Dustin Brown - probably a few more, but those are Public BSDs #1 & #2 for me. I think I am going to start referring to them as BSDs. New phrase coined today.

Isner is easily the biggest BSD, guy pretty much plays almost every set to get to a tie break.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 01:12 PM

Yeah add Brown to the BSD list for sure. And yes, koscheck has given the tennis forum a new term although he might be pissed that you and I won't add Raonic to the list.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 01:15 PM

To be fair, I don't like any of those types. Tennis should be more than just a serve. I could only imagine being these opponents of Raonic that are moving him all over the court and smashing winners when they can return his serve, only to have unreturnable bullets come at them 2 or 3 at a time afterwards.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 01:35 PM

You have to give the kid some credit though, and possibly a bit of a break. It takes a lot of mental strength to come up with a big serve when you're down 2 BPs or even 3. How many seasoned Pros on the Tour cork it into the net because they're strung out or worse, choke their service game away when they're trying to serve out a match? This guy doesn't falter. Granted I haven't watched every single one of his matches this year but I'd say I've watched 95% of the televised or streaming ones. The only time I saw any serious nerves from him was the Ferrer match and no one can blame him for that. Making a run in a Slam like that only to come up against a guy he looks up to would be daunting for anyone. Especially when all of a sudden everyone knows your name.

He's also playing his 1st season on clay. Very few people gave him any chance at all - and thankfully for those of us in the tennis forum who kept backing him, the bookies didn't either - even though anyone with a clue knew this kid had been practising on this surface for ages. His results have been great. And if he's in a tight spot and has a serve that can get him out of it, who wouldn't use it?

You made that thread about how it seems like favourites win a lot in clay. I didn't post in there but I actually disagree completely. My results are perfect proof of that as I mainly bet dogs. In the past week I've had 17 dog winners, 8 losers and 1 push. And my dogs aren't normally +110. One reason dogs can do so well on clay is because serves are more easily broken. The fact that Raonic isn't getting broken that often, even when he faces multiple bps, isn't just because of his 1st serve. Him and Andreev both had 4 aces. Andreev had the better 1st serve % - 71 to 62. Raonic double faulted 5 times, Andreev 3. All of those stats were in Andreev's favour. The difference is that Raonic won 56% of his 2nd serves whereas Andreev won 38%. And then Raonic saved the 8 bps he faced whereas Andreev only saved 1 of 3.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 01:45 PM

Raonic does have a big 2nd serve too. That's why he's winning. I agree. He gets awful returns even on his second serve. But the serve percentage that he wins versus his opponent is a bit misleading. His opponents generally have their serve returned and engage in a rally. They earn their points more than him, who can nail his serves in a way that can't be returned. Whenever his serve is actually returnable, he loses the point. That's my point. He's nothing without those monster serves.

**shari91** · 04-26-11, 01:48 PM

Ok koscheck, we'll agree to disagree.

I saw you're edit up above and I think you're right: Either back the kid or avoid the match altogether. I don't agree with your reasoning as to why but it's definitely the best choice for your bankroll.

**koscheckbaby** · 04-26-11, 01:54 PM

I definitely would never bet against him or Wozniacki(unless she plays an elite). Both mentally strong players. Wozniacki can be down 1-6, 1-5 0-30 and win. Raonic can be down on his serve 0-40 and serve big 6 straight.

And when I say unreturnable, I mean the returners are just putting their racket on the ball and it's sailing well wide or out, into the net, or are just over the net so he can smash home the point. I don't know if unreturnable is the term to use, since that may imply aces.

**Ruff** · 04-26-11, 03:29 PM

Shari today was a "kiss your sister" kinda day.
one or two matches your way and it would have been real nice.
thanks again.