EZStreet theft, deception and TheRx whitewashing Video (banned at TheRx)

[chemicalbrother]

Covers is far more seasonal (NFL/NCAA/NBA peak, MLB quiet) whilst SBR seems consistent - any reasoning for that?

it probably is what sbrjohn was saying, they have the public #'s on their front page, while sbr odds is a different hit? maybe? i dunno.

[LVHerbie]

B) The word impossible should really be improbable (or highly unlikely). The probability of a player playing at that rate of play for that amount of time with perfect strategy (or at the least no discernible deviation in the strategy being used, whether it's perfect or not is, of course, purely an opinion) is very unlikely, improbable, etc. I apologize for the use of the word impossible, once again, it should have been highly unlikely, improbable, etc (I've incidentally never seen it happen on any video poker machine in any casino or casino bar in las vegas, laughlin, pechanga, or anywhere else I've worked, advised, contracted, etc.)

This is a laughable at best... The guy clearly doesn't have a clue about video poker... Perfect strategy for JoB has been derived for a long time so there should be no opinion involved in if the player used perfect strategy, a "discernible deviation", or none at all by simply looking at the logs of his play... Given the vagueness and absurdity of the above and other claims it seems pretty clear that this still hasn't been done...

[biggamer3]

This is why sbr is the top site these days, what a great posting by justin

[TheMoneyShot]

There's no question that you have all the facts Justin. If we clearly look at this being a "regular average Joe" there's no question that the book should pay him for winning. The problem that I see in this entire case is the player committed fraud in the past. His image was already tarnished. He didn't have to go on a wrecking ball demolition style and "let's see how many deposits I can make... and then let's do CHARGEBACKS on them." He made a choice... a decision and it wasn't an intelligent one. That's why the card player isn't credible. He has no leg to stand on. Sure, we don't have actual proof if there was a ROBOT or not playing for him. Listen to the Sportsbookreview telephone interview you guys have published on this site and at youtube. He doesn't sound so direct, so certain, he actually sounded misleading.

We can all talk about this until the cows come home... the problem I see is that he committed fraud 20+ times prior to this. Let's see who I can sting now! It's ridiculous. It's Easy Street's discretion if they want to pay him or not. We're not talking about an honest, credible, and worthy person. We're talking about an individual who had an opportunity to stay clean... stay positive and has chosen not to in the past. If you choose deceptive tactics... it will come back to haunt you. It's life 101.

[TheMoneyShot]

Covers is far more seasonal (NFL/NCAA/NBA peak, MLB quiet) whilst SBR seems consistent - any reasoning for that?

Covers is Biased. I Hate Them.

[ah81]

Great video Justin, amazing the lengths books/casinos will go to just to not pay a winning player.

[chachi]

We can all talk about this until the cows come home... the problem I see is that he committed fraud 20+ times prior to this. Let's see who I can sting now! It's ridiculous. It's Easy Street's discretion if they want to pay him or not. We're not talking about an honest, credible, and worthy person. We're talking about an individual who had an opportunity to stay clean... stay positive and has chosen not to in the past. If you choose deceptive tactics... it will come back to haunt you. It's life 101.

One problem with this ... multiple incremental cash deposits over the extended period, therefore ZERO chance of chargebacks or anything at all really except having a play.

a) Have they denied his account balance/winnings total was incorrect? no
b) Has the casino software provider already commented denying RNG peculiarities or instabilities? yes
c) Is he accused of defrauding any book in the past in 'the same family' as Easy Street? no

d) Does denial of payout / confiscation of funds equate to theft? yes

The provider in question needs to speak out loudly ... Easy Street's effective allegation was that bot play on JoB would provide the player an advantage as the server cannot properly manage its operations, session handling, or gameplay engines and/or is susceptible to being hacked to alter gameplay probabilities.

[HedgeHog]

RX's anonymous expert sounds a lot like Shilheim. Digusting how far he'll go to make his ficticious case.

[BuckeyeT]

RX's anonymous expert sounds a lot like Shilheim. Digusting how far he'll go to make his ficticious case.

If i was getting my pocket lined with $$$ from a book i guess i might make up a bunch of shit as well like Will the shill is doing.

[boatboatboat]

Does Cory post at any forum?

[AribaAriba]

the censorship on easystreet in rx is out of control, i just read a post from an hour ago pertaining about sbr factual analysis comparing to this ghost expert. The word "sbr" was present on his post and now was deleted, unreal how mods there can manipulate post on individuals, only FishHead cant get censored there since he is an old school poster there.

[LegitBet]

Here is a crucial question I havent seen asked yet:
If Cory had simply adjusted the rate of play ( him or a bot) to a couple of seconds more per hand, would this entire sit be any different?!
My gut tells me it would be same outcome different excuse.
Wouldn't it make sense that if someone used a bot they would disguise it just a little as I mentioned?
The ONLY reason I can fathom for not is that the high speed of play will in fact accomplish the unthinkable, 'overwhelm the RNG' tilting towards player advantage.
This is really a big issue for me and one that DGS NEEDS to step up address.

[stevenash]

only FishHead cant get censored there since he is an old school poster there.

Didn't he get banned over there?

[AribaAriba]

no, i still saw him post there on a daily basis. He is an old timer and well respected there so he wont be banned there for sure.

[AribaAriba]

Here is a crucial question I havent seen asked yet: If Cory had simply adjusted the rate of play ( him or a bot) to a couple of seconds more per hand, would this entire sit be any different?! My gut tells me it would be same outcome different excuse. Wouldn't it make sense that if someone used a bot they would disguise it just a little as I mentioned? The ONLY reason I can fathom for not is that the high speed of play will in fact accomplish the unthinkable, 'overwhelm the RNG' tilting towards player advantage. This is really a big issue for me and one that DGS NEEDS to step up address.

I agree, its just a way to cover their asses to not pay someone, i have seen people in the casino play video poker in a rate of speed that you wont imagine. You wouldnt believe how these degenerate play like there was no tomorrow, holding their coffee on their left. It was more hilarrious when a senior does it lol

[increasedodds]

Remember alexa isnt that good if sites use multiple names (sportsbookreview.com, sbrforum.com, sbrlines.com Covers just uses covers..)

Therx therxforum, etc...

[empty cookie jar]

cory, are you a cheater, con artist, scammer? "No comment"

Dang ole screw him then......congrats to all of you so quick to back a horse like this

[skrtelfan]

This is a laughable at best... The guy clearly doesn't have a clue about video poker... Perfect strategy for JoB has been derived for a long time so there should be no opinion involved in if the player used perfect strategy, a "discernible deviation", or none at all by simply looking at the logs of his play... Given the vagueness and absurdity of the above and other claims it seems pretty clear that this still hasn't been done...

Seconded. That paragraph is so laughable, nevermind that there exists a perfect strategy for optimal strategy, the "expert" is basically arguing "the player played perfect strategy but it's a matter of opinion what is perfect strategy." Plus they continue to quote the 3 royals in 8000 hands when it was really 22,000 hands he played, to imply that the player must have somehow manipulated the software.

[mrmarket]

There's no question that you have all the facts Justin. If we clearly look at this being a "regular average Joe" there's no question that the book should pay him for winning. The problem that I see in this entire case is the player committed fraud in the past. His image was already tarnished. He didn't have to go on a wrecking ball demolition style and "let's see how many deposits I can make... and then let's do CHARGEBACKS on them." He made a choice... a decision and it wasn't an intelligent one. That's why the card player isn't credible. He has no leg to stand on. Sure, we don't have actual proof if there was a ROBOT or not playing for him. Listen to the Sportsbookreview telephone interview you guys have published on this site and at youtube. He doesn't sound so direct, so certain, he actually sounded misleading.

We can all talk about this until the cows come home... the problem I see is that he committed fraud 20+ times prior to this. Let's see who I can sting now! It's ridiculous. It's Easy Street's discretion if they want to pay him or not. We're not talking about an honest, credible, and worthy person. We're talking about an individual who had an opportunity to stay clean... stay positive and has chosen not to in the past. If you choose deceptive tactics... it will come back to haunt you. It's life 101.

The identity of the player is completely irrelevant to whether he should be paid or not. What should be focused on is
a) Whether he cheated.
b) Whether he broke the terms and conditions of the bonus or site by using a "robot"
c) If he did break the terms and conditions does his use of a robot constitute as a reason not to pay

The onus of proof is on the accuser.If EZ street accuse him of doing something to break the rules it has to be proven based on evidence. So far they have provided biased information, factual inaccuracies and slanted rhetoric throughout the process. No evidence has been provided which show that he cheated or used a robot. They also can't ask him to prove he didn't cheat. That is not the logical process. What you are seeing is simply blatant fraud.

And besides the obvious shills and owners replying in this thread you are doing yourselves a huge disservice by supporting the arguments of these charlatans. Their arrogance and criminal attitude reflects badly on the industry as a whole. It only serves to further discredit an industry that needs legitimacy if it ever wants to pull itself out of the 3rd world slums and establish itself somewhere properly (Asian and European books being the exception).

Cory's character only comes into play as far as ezstreet's risk department is concerned. They obviously did an incompetent job of screening this character or deemed him an acceptable risk. It has nothing to do with whether he should get paid or not though.

[SBR_John]

Covers is far more seasonal (NFL/NCAA/NBA peak, MLB quiet) whilst SBR seems consistent - any reasoning for that?

The SBR model is far more designed to keep regular participation than Covers. For example our football fans stay even after football season is over because we have a lot for them to do and they are part of the community. Covers has great stats and info and their visitis are a bit more geared to utelizing their content. Hence when football ends their base tends wait until the season resumes to come back.

[horsiehung]

fellow poster buddy turned me on to this story...........holy Jeeeeeez
what a fiasco...i think he's scum and should not be paid..credibilty issue

[yokspot]

I posted the post I made above at the RX. It was factual and not impolite.

I am now IP banned.

What a total farce. I would take these assholes to court at this point if I could. This is a clear coverup to save 46 grand. I gave The RX every benefit of the doubt leading up to this, but this is blatant.

Someone should post about this at Bailey's forum.

[stevenash]

I posted the post I made above at the RX. It was factual and not impolite.

What post?

[yokspot]

On the previous page, post 228 -

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/1024518-ezstreet-theft-deception-therx-whitewashing-video-banned-therx-p7.html#post9564733

It was deleted at RX. I can view the forum using Anonymouse.

He should complain to Bailey. It won't get him paid, but it'll get ES blacklisted there. Mike Shakleford will blacklist them soon I very much suspect, since it's his area of expertise.

[P.F.Kasooff]

Way to stay on top of this, SBR

[purecarnagge]

Way to stay on top of this, SBR

as it should be stickied for awhile!!!

[Fishhead]

Anyone playing at EZ currently?

If so, I don't see how.

[empty cookie jar]

yes, i have a couple hundert dang ole dollars in their.....always been good to me, but i never try to cheat

[yokspot]

You can just go on & on picking apart this incoherent idiocy:

In the report he said:

the player played an avg. of 17.6 hands of video poker per minute for 499 minutes without a single error.

Then in the rebuttal he said:

Whether it's perfect or not is, of course, purely an opinion.

Pardon??

Was the first statement not a statement of fact, but of possible opinion?

How was it "without error" if you you don't recognise "error" to begin with?

It just mind-blowing. It's also an great example of the danger of lying: you REALLY need to get your story straight, and these folks didn't. They cobbled together a crock of shit then tried to argue their way out of it. And failed.

Unreal.

[MBENZ]

[daimoshokage]

[Squared Box]

Did Fishhead get an email like that too?

[daimoshokage]

Is Mafia involved here?

[HedgeHog]

Might makes right! EZ is trying to turn this into a Power(s) struggle.

[BuckeyeT]

Now there trying to act like local street bookies.

Puhhhleeezzzzzz...what a joke!