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I would like to hear more about Cory's past chargebacks, but I don't think he will be interested in telling us about them. He certainly doesn't sound like a saint. Like I said, he sounds like a losing, degenerate gambler. It does not surprise me that Easy Street Sports was bending over backwards to keep him as a customer. They not only gave him insane bonuses, they also claim that they ignored the fact that his first deposit was fraudulent. They ate that loss because they were licking their chops at the thought of fleacing such an obvious problem gambler. How else can you explain them overlooking the supposed initial deposit fraud, followed by multiple 100% bonuses? When he got lucky, they resorted to stealing.
Ignoring this case, with all of the extremely dangerous precedents that Shilheim and easystreetsports.com are trying to set, would be foolish. At this point, I am really hoping that both easystreetsports.com and theRX never recover from this fiasco. I hope we can at least agree on that point.Comment -
Only answer this question.
Where they gonna refund his money if he lost when he was using a bot?Comment -
Its 100% that chargebacks is in favor of the customer?Comment -
KG, I doubt that someone with 'bot-like' play, with ********** 'insurance', is a degenerate. It sounds more like someone who knows exactly how to exploit the system.
Once the BR is build up enough, there would no longer be a need for chargebacks; but it's an easy way to build a BR fast (with each win balanced by a loss +**********).Last edited by Dark Horse; 04-10-11, 07:36 PM.Comment -
You guys have done more than enough . After reading all of this , all I have to say is thank god for SBR. I would never even consider posting up at easy street in the first place bc I know therx leans toward the book in every dispute. Therx won't be anything but a memory in a few years, good riddance when that finally happens.
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its good to hear the true and full story. And while the player should be paid, if your constantly trying to pull a fast one on people...and screwing them, what obligation do they have to honor your wins, if you don't honor your losses?
Its a double edged sword and I'm sure it sucks to be that guy right now.Comment -
I still say both sides should meet in the middle.Comment -
From that fake "watchdog" site which employs Shilheim:
Cory1111:
Wilheim I am willing to fly to Vegas and take the video poker test rather than Costa Rica. Why cant I prove my so-called innocence there?
Shilheim:
Cory, I will gladly convey your message to the upper management at EasyStreet. However you need to realize that while they agreed to abide by my decision on the dispute that does not mean I can dictate what they do regarding a new offer to you to demonstrate your play. I do know that most likely they will insist on a polygraph regardless of the venue should they accept the Las Vegas location for your demonstration.
You should take into consideration that the polygraph is going to be limited to solely your play at EasyStreet. No one is interested in incriminating you in any way. All that matters is did you break any posted rules in the EasyStreet Casino on the dates of February 28th and March 1st period.
With that in mind, I urge you to reconsider the polygraph should EasyStreet accept the offer to allow you to travel to Las Vegas at their expense to prove your innocence. Terms can be agreed to on paper beforehand to make sure you are not mislead.
Please be advised also that I can only suggest in this case to EasyStreet what I would do, in no way what so ever can I order them to do anything..Today being Sunday I doubt if I can reach the two persons that have the say on whether or not EasyStreet will entertain the offer of changing venues of the original offer to use Costa Rica as a venue for the two tests..In the meantime I suggest you consider making a concession of your own and agreeing to take a polygraph as well as demonstrate your VP play. Please advise this board of your decision on the matter. I of course will submit your request either way but doubt that you will get an affirmative response if you continue to say no to the polygraph.
The company that conducts the Polygraph can be selected by a neutral third party to avoid mis-trust in that department.
I will post what I find out when I find it out.
Thanks, wilheim
Thank you, wilheim
If Easystreet insists on the polygraph test then we know they are still terrified of a simple demonstration by Cory of his ability to play at that speed, regardless of location... And this after their "expert" said it was not possible...Comment -
I got banned from RX for the following post: "in your decision you referred to the player "overwhelming the RNG". Could you please clarify the basis for the conclusion." That place has gone rogue.Comment -
Well done SBR. I'm proud to be a member of this site.Comment -
When threats get issued clearly it is yet another reason this industry needs to be regulated. Clearly we have a situation here where players tend to side with players and the book always gets the smaller percentage of support. If you look at a popular casino forum that others have brought up (Casinomeister) He has actually banned people who do chargebacks against casino's/sportsbooks from his forum. So for people to automatically jump and call the book a bunch of thieves is not entirely fair. The only complaint this book has ever had is with someone who has a questionable past AT BEST. I think you do have to look at a persons overall history which is precisely why some sharp players are shown the boot or people are not allowed to send ** and even in regards to credit worthiness in the real world... EVERYTHING is based on character it would be like a bank hiring someone who was convicted of bank robbery. But again just my opinion and obviously you can insert the usual statements below Kgambler and co. I think clearly what should be done is Refund his deposits and call it a day. Bumping these threads every single day does no good. Cory is not going to get paid and that is obvious. SBR is obviously not going to allow Easystreet to advertise here so it's really just a dead issue.
Shill, alex powers, etc. etc. etc.Last edited by xstud; 04-11-11, 12:33 AM.Comment -
And yet posters think he should still go down to CR. Even still, its not safe for Cory in Florida or anywhere else either- they know where they can find him. I'm surprised Cory hasn't received an up close and personal threat yet..Comment -
You don't have to go far to find people like that. There are those types of people all over this world. Pretty scary if you think about it. You and I and many more people know scum that would kill for the right price.המוסד
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To be honest EI, I would normally side with a player in this instance. IF he truly deposited all that money in cash my mind changes a little bit. HOWEVER the botched ** deposit that was initially reported by Easystreet makes me suspect that he tried to take a shot. With his past he has taken shots and if he didn't have the same type of dispute with another book in the past it would make me think twice. I don't think either side is being 100% truthful and both are bad for this industry. Personally in my experience this book never did me wrong and I don't think that it is 100% right to endorse someone who has cost books lord knows how much. This reminds me of people that bar themselves or are barred from casinos and then win jackpots only to have them taken away.Comment -
Maybe Wil was threatened and forced to take the books side. Same goes for any mod, if your life was threatened would you still side with Cory? Email is one thing, but a personal visit can make people change their minds in a hurry.Comment -
this would be a relatively easy case to win for cory in a courtroom. i dont see EZ having enough evidence to get passed a preponderance of the evidence burden of proof.Comment -
See, the thing you both (and others) don't seem to understand is despite Cory being "caught" on his supposed initial charge-back with EZ, THEY STILL TOOK HIS MONEY!. If a groceries store has a check of yours bounce, they do have the option to no longer allow you to pay for items with a check, a book is no different.
EZ was gifted a red flag by Cory, and still allowed him to deposit, despite the circumstance...at that point why is it Cory is S.O.L because he wins and the book decides to yell foul after the fact? At the very least he should be given all his deposits back in this case. If you are gonna go out of your way to say he should deal with this knowing the risk, than the book should be held accountable on those same terms, point.blank.period.
I don't care if Cory is a crummy person, or a charge back criminal as you all seem to say...the other books he was caught in banned him, EZ did not, he deposits, he wins, he should be paid one way or the other...either pay him his winnings, or at the very least give the guy back his deposits, especially since all of a sudden his charge backs have become the basis of this robbery.
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Your first point has been discussed ad nauseum. There is no point in rehashing the counter arguments.
Your second point, that we are just beating a dead horse, is not true and you know that. You obviously know that this theft of funds is seriously damaging Easy Street Sport's brand, as it should. It seems like they are on the cusp of getting blacklisted over at WizardOfOdds because of this. These threads are showing up in google searches. So many players now know about this stolen $46K and about theRX totally selling out. This is not going away anytime soon, although you and other easystreetsports.com shills and affiliates wish it would.
You mentioned CasinoMeister... this is the next place we need to make aware of the shameful actions of Easy Street Sports and their shills over at the fake watchdog site theRX. Trust me, the CasinoMeister community will be warned about your book. We need to get the word out to as many players as possible.
It's not going to become acceptable to make bogus charges of cheating against a player, without a shred of actual evidence. It is not going to become acceptable to demand that a player travel to Costa Rica and "pass" a rigged "lie detector test" in order to collect winnings. People need to be warned about the fake watchdog site theRX as well. Those shills are bought and paid for.
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KGambler's main position and bullet points strike a visceral affirmative chord with me.
Dark Horse you know how highly I value and respect you. And your points here are not without great merit IMHO.
I am compelled to agree however that establishing precidents that place the sole core of 'not sweating the payout' upon the slippery slope of getting paid only if your character passes muster is far to dangerous to us all.
Listen I think it's absurdly surreal that the Geneva Convention spells out rules within a theater of unspeakable horror and utter maniacal lunacy. But we accept this imperfect paradigm, as to not would strip us of even our imaginary anchors set into righteousness and self preservation.
We cannot cut the baby in two here, and I think that underlying truth is what has fueled everyone's passion so high.
For the first time in my life I finally see the wisdom in the phrase, "Honor among thieves".Last edited by LegitBet; 04-11-11, 01:49 AM.Comment -
The part that threw me a bit about that email is that in the second sentence the person stated that they knew I had visited the RX to view the Cory threads. I don't have an account there and this was a few days before I had made any comment anywhere about this case as I didn't really have anything to add that others hadn't already said.
Mind you, I'm also not a computer guru so for all I know someone can figure out a way to see who is viewing a forum at any given time, even from the outside.
I admit the fact that they referenced my son quite a few times, even stating they said a prayer at Xmas time when he was sick, and that they'd be sure to meet up with us when I was there for the Bash was rather concerning. But I'd like to think that it's just a poster pissed off over an infraction I've given them or whatever and this is their 'payback'. Or maybe even someone's idea of a sick joke I guess - targeting the one female Mod here because they rightly assumed that mentioning my son would bother me somewhat.Comment -
Please by all means forward Cory onto Casinomeister Bryan tends to show extreme disgust for players who do charge backs. In all honesty I think its pointless to reply to me and I will stop replying to you KGambler. The discussion has become so repetitive with your constant accusations of cheating a player, EZ being broke and ultimately that I am a shill for Easystreet. That is laughable at best considering I have been a member here longer than you and well before Easystreet was even around. But by derailing the thread by saying "SteveX and myself are shills" I think you should go into every single thread where someone says anything positive about a book and call them a shill.
I will say it a last time since you have a problem reading certain parts of things I write.
I sincerely think Cory should get his deposits back. I do think Cory is a person who is dishonest. I think this dispute as a whole sets back the industry because it will only motivate more books to request more documentation and screen potential clients before allowing people to play with that particular book.
Furthermore. Numerous posters play at D rated books who have stiffed or done dishonest things to players yet those players that play at sportsbook.com or any jazz book for that matter do not feel the need to create 40 threads and they do not have people insulting other posters. At the end of the day whether you are a person who bets 10 bucks a game or a dime a game or if you play videopoker or slots online you are taking a chance in an UNREGULATED industry period.Comment -
This could really be one of the more genius ideas if it was really an elaborate made up complaint, with the Cory actually working for ES, and the Cory character in the end being proven or even admits to cheating. Another forum, had a post which stated that the ES owner said that Bad publicity, is free publicity on the forums, which is very true. Other forums in the past have made up stories and complaints to generate traffic and publicity for sportsbooks. I think the Shrink was the best at this.Comment -
I've been quiet for the most part on this, but i will make a few points, and post them quoting your post, xstud:
Since I've joined this site, I have not seen any few posters basically "advertise" a book the way you, EZMARVIN & SteveX seem to do...now I may be going crazy or something, who knows, but it just seems all too convenient that everytime someone brings up EZ, you all bum-rush the topic to mention fast payouts (free on Tuesdays) and solid CS. Could be just me though.But by derailing the thread by saying "SteveX and myself are shills" I think you should go into every single thread where someone says anything positive about a book and call them a shill.
I agree with part of this, I would say at the least Cory should get his deposits back, but him being dishonest in this case has NO BEARING on the matter at hand. I have not once seen you call out EZ for being dishonest about offering up the hand histories and data, yet not releasing them in the end, are you implying that EZ was completely honest throughout the entire ordeal? I can believe that to be the case.I sincerely think Cory should get his deposits back. I do think Cory is a person who is dishonest.
You are right, but what you do see are inquiries to said books when a payout is delayed or not given in a substantial amount of time. I, for instance, have used BetUS for well over a year now...it is a D book and rightfully so, but since it's the first book I ever used online, I feel a certain loyalty to it. I have never been slowpaid, even for larger amounts, and the CS has treated me well, but others are not having the same results I have. Do you see me in every BetUS topic defending them? No, because I know that as good as they are to me, they aren't that way to everyone. Your rebuttal here is weak at best.Furthermore. Numerous posters play at D rated books who have stiffed or done dishonest things to players yet those players that play at sportsbook.com or any jazz book for that matter do not feel the need to create 40 threads and they do not have people insulting other posters.
Are you saying that the book should not be held to the same standard? As I posted earlier, from what I have read Cory had a charge-back issue with EZ from jump? Despite this they allowed him to still deposit and play there...even if they had no knowledge of his previous history they could have just squashed all of this from jump by simply closing his account and not allowing him to deposit, but they didn't...why? At that point his winnings so long as there is no EVIDENCE of wrong-doing should be given to him, OR as I also said, they could have shown good faith and simply refunded his deposits. They have chosen to do NONE OF THE ABOVE..why? are they now the judge, jury and executioner representing all the book Cory wronged? No matter the person's image, they accepted him when he was hemorrhaging money to them, they should also accept him when he wins.At the end of the day whether you are a person who bets 10 bucks a game or a dime a game or if you play videopoker or slots online you are taking a chance in an UNREGULATED industry period.
I'm not gonna go out of my way to call you any names or anything, because I don't know what your angle is, nor do I care to know, but I will say that your ties with this book in particular seem to be "suspect" at best. Also, you always mention how well they treat you, well this isn't about you, or your cohorts, and has no bearing on what is looking to be nothing short of theft by a book that is well-known for it's "SOLID CUSTOMER SERVICE!! & FAST PAYOUTS (FREE TUESDAYS)"
Maybe i'm wrong on my assessment, but I doubt it...I've been on this Earth too long not to notice a shakedown when I see one.Comment
