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  • Optional
    Administrator
    • 06-10-10
    • 60714

    #36
    Originally posted by carlmon
    A different agent said it could take months. I have that chat saved as well
    Don't worry. It won't take months.
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    • PD77
      SBR MVP
      • 12-11-09
      • 2381

      #37
      This statement here “22:57, Oct 1 Monica: You will for sure your money, we don't want it.” almost makes it sound like they froze your account because of the bitcoin you sent. Maybe they think it’s dirty.
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      • littlekona
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 11-19-15
        • 5241

        #38
        Originally posted by PD77
        This statement here “22:57, Oct 1 Monica: You will for sure your money, we don't want it.” almost makes it sound like they froze your account because of the bitcoin you sent. Maybe they think it’s dirty.
        that is a interesting angle. It happened a while back at Fairlay, if it comes from a known hacked account or stolen somehow technology today can track. Good point PD77
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        • ADR51
          SBR Sharp
          • 05-15-11
          • 428

          #39
          Originally posted by carlmon
          tell me that this isn't shady.

          This is a conversation I had with the live chat:
          You: Hey Monica, I am checking in on my account status. I should be hearing from management anytime now and get the greenlight to go ahead and start gambling

          22:52, Oct 1
          Monica: Sir, your account is closed and will remain closed.

          22:53, Oct 1
          Monica: You just need to wait to make your withdraw.

          22:53, Oct 1
          Monica: We already had this conversation earlier.

          22:53, Oct 1
          You: wait

          22:54, Oct 1
          You: nobody told me that it is closed

          22:54, Oct 1
          Monica: Yes, we had, several times, a lot actually.

          22:54, Oct 1
          You: I was told that I'm under investigation for something

          22:55, Oct 1
          You: and that "management" is going to make their decision

          22:56, Oct 1
          Monica: It is closed, it is being investigated for the payout but it will remain closed.

          22:57, Oct 1
          You: WTF do you mean?? are you saying I have the possibility of getting paid out!? FOR WHAT!!!!!

          22:57, Oct 1
          Monica: No no, I literally didn't say that.

          22:57, Oct 1
          Monica: You will for sure your money, we don't want it.

          22:58, Oct 1
          You: than penetrating give it back to me already

          22:58, Oct 1
          You: jesus penetrating christ

          22:58, Oct 1
          Monica: We just need to know when are you going to do it.

          22:58, Oct 1
          Monica: Not yet, sorry.

          22:58, Oct 1
          Monica: You need to contact back in 72 hrs to see if by then you will be able to do it, if not, keep checking every 72 hrs.

          22:58, Oct 1
          You: when im going to do what?!?

          22:58, Oct 1
          Monica: Make your withdraw...

          22:58, Oct 1
          You: just send it to my penetrating bitcoin address

          22:58, Oct 1
          You: I havent even made a bet with you guys why the penetrate are you holding my money

          22:59, Oct 1
          Monica: Whenever we say you can, we will, for sure.

          22:59, Oct 1
          Monica: The details are internal.

          22:59, Oct 1
          Monica: Bye.

          22:59, Oct 1
          You: DETAILS OF WHAT

          Info: Conversation closed by the agent 22:59, Oct 1

          22:59, Oct 1
          Survey Bot: We would like to collect your opinions about your user experience.

          22:59, Oct 1
          Survey Bot: Overall, how satisfied were you with the service you received on your most recent contact?

          22:59, Oct 1
          You: Very Dissatisfied

          22:59, Oct 1
          Survey Bot: Based on your experience today, how likely are you to recommend us to a friend or colleague? (0 Not at all likely - 10 extremely likely).

          22:59, Oct 1
          You: 0- Not at all likely

          22:59, Oct 1
          Survey Bot: Thank you for your time.
          Arrogant penetrating pricks, i penetrating hate this penetrating clercks!!!
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          • Alfie White
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 09-02-17
            • 680

            #40
            2 things to unpack here:

            1 - I really don't think that bookmaker would give any shit about your mere 300 USD deposit, so your deposit must have been involved in some nasty shit.
            2 - Acting like a tool will not help your case. Whipping out profanities, hateful comments etc is childish and stupid.

            If I were to work there, I would ban you from chat until you learn how to behave.
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            • newton0038
              SBR MVP
              • 03-07-07
              • 2369

              #41
              Why is it these fukin books have ZERO PROBLEM TAKING A DEPOSIT. Its only AFTER u give them your cash, they either let u bet it and if you lose, u are free to deposit again, or there is a suspected multi account or wtf ever the issue might be. If you dare win and take a withdraw, seems to be a 3 month investigation every fukin time. The industry is in dire need of a 3rd party escrow and player verification service where the bet fuds are sent to the book if the players bet loses or sent back to the player if the bet wins. No deposits until player is fully verified. Be no more of this holding funds hostage. Customers would also get more or less immediate responses to any "investigation" as the book would not have the funds to hold and they require funds to operate.
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              • littlekona
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-19-15
                • 5241

                #42
                Originally posted by newton0038
                Why is it these fukin books have ZERO PROBLEM TAKING A DEPOSIT. Its only AFTER u give them your cash, they either let u bet it and if you lose, u are free to deposit again, or there is a suspected multi account or wtf ever the issue might be. If you dare win and take a withdraw, seems to be a 3 month investigation every fukin time. The industry is in dire need of a 3rd party escrow and player verification service where the bet fuds are sent to the book if the players bet loses or sent back to the player if the bet wins. No deposits until player is fully verified. Be no more of this holding funds hostage. Customers would also get more or less immediate responses to any "investigation" as the book would not have the funds to hold and they require funds to operate.

                so basically your saying use state side legal books. these offshore books are not in the business of monitoring every new account that opens up. they are in the business to profit that is it. that's why they have terms of service. break rules then confiscation of winnings is punishment. if they did not do that it would be scam city and tons of headache's for them. No issue here on how offshore works one bit to do KYC at time of registration is ridiculous and way to time consuming for them and player
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                • jjgold
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 07-20-05
                  • 388189

                  #43
                  Originally posted by littlekona
                  so basically your saying use state side legal books. These offshore books are not in the business of monitoring every new account that opens up. They are in the business to profit that is it. That's why they have terms of service. Break rules then confiscation of winnings is punishment. If they did not do that it would be scam city and tons of headache's for them. No issue here on how offshore works one bit to do kyc at time of registration is ridiculous and way to time consuming for them and player
                  bang
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                  • DontTailMe
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-24-19
                    • 2897

                    #44
                    Originally posted by PD77
                    This statement here “22:57, Oct 1 Monica: You will for sure your money, we don't want it.” almost makes it sound like they froze your account because of the bitcoin you sent. Maybe they think it’s dirty.
                    That's reading too deeply into this statement, I think. Especially when he's talking to a customer service rep and it's likely that only security knows why they've suspended OP's account.


                    I read that comment as merely saying "we are not interested in stealing your $500".
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                    • DontTailMe
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-24-19
                      • 2897

                      #45
                      Originally posted by littlekona
                      so basically your saying use state side legal books. these offshore books are not in the business of monitoring every new account that opens up. they are in the business to profit that is it. that's why they have terms of service. break rules then confiscation of winnings is punishment. if they did not do that it would be scam city and tons of headache's for them. No issue here on how offshore works one bit to do KYC at time of registration is ridiculous and way to time consuming for them and player
                      The more I learn about legalized sportsbetting, the less I like it.
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                      • carlmon
                        SBR Rookie
                        • 09-30-21
                        • 31

                        #46
                        The craziest part about this whole thing is I haven't placed a single wager with them. They can ban me all they want for being upset with them and childish things but they have no reason to hold on to my money.
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                        • carlmon
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 09-30-21
                          • 31

                          #47
                          Originally posted by PD77
                          This statement here “22:57, Oct 1 Monica: You will for sure your money, we don't want it.” almost makes it sound like they froze your account because of the bitcoin you sent. Maybe they think it’s dirty.
                          I sent money with CASHAPP, and it got credited to my account within 10 minutes. If that's what it is, I'd be relieved.
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                          • DontTailMe
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-24-19
                            • 2897

                            #48
                            Originally posted by carlmon
                            The craziest part about this whole thing is I haven't placed a single wager with them. They can ban me all they want for being upset with them and childish things but they have no reason to hold on to my money.
                            As someone else has already stated, when casinos, banks, etc. have you under investigation, they don't tell you what it's for. Any information they provide suspected fraudsters would only serve to make them better fraudsters.

                            I'm not saying you definitely are one. I'm just saying that their behavior is completely rational if you step outside of yourself and view this from an outside perspective.

                            Being calm, cool, and collected is the best thing you can do in situations like this. In fact, I've found that it's the scammers who show up here who are the loudest and most obnoxious on average. They know they've been caught.
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                            • PD77
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-11-09
                              • 2381

                              #49
                              Originally posted by carlmon
                              I sent money with CASHAPP, and it got credited to my account within 10 minutes. If that's what it is, I'd be relieved.
                              That most likely rules out bitcoin as the problem. I used CA for four years and never had an issue, until CA shut down my account. Look at it this way, it’s much better to have your account frozen now than when you are trying to withdraw. At the worst, you get your deposit back. If they froze it when you were trying to withdraw you could potentially lose winnings, and any prior deposits.
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                              • carlmon
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 09-30-21
                                • 31

                                #50
                                Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                As someone else has already stated, when casinos, banks, etc. have you under investigation, they don't tell you what it's for. Any information they provide suspected fraudsters would only serve to make them better fraudsters.

                                I'm not saying you definitely are one. I'm just saying that their behavior is completely rational if you step outside of yourself and view this from an outside perspective.

                                Being calm, cool, and collected is the best thing you can do in situations like this. In fact, I've found that it's the scammers who show up here who are the loudest and most obnoxious on average. They know they've been caught.
                                Yeah, I'm going to give it to 72 hours.
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                                • PrettyBadBet
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 09-26-21
                                  • 5

                                  #51
                                  Same thing happened to me two weeks ago. I think it could be because of a bitcoin deposit. I sent BTC from my coinbase account and my account was instantly locked and now under investigation. I haven't had luck with live chat either.
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                                  • Natty68
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 05-11-14
                                    • 550

                                    #52
                                    Been with Bookmaker 12 years and they have been a class-act operation without exception. They are forced to deal with angle-shooters all day every day. They were a lot nicer to you than I would have been. They and Pinny quite literally set the lines for the market but they're looking to take you off for $500?
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                                    • carlmon
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 09-30-21
                                      • 31

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by Natty68
                                      Been with Bookmaker 12 years and they have been a class-act operation without exception. They are forced to deal with angle-shooters all day every day. They were a lot nicer to you than I would have been. They and Pinny quite literally set the lines for the market but they're looking to take you off for $500?
                                      Thats good news. I am hoping to get resolution with the next couple of days.
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                                      • Frank
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 10-13-07
                                        • 918

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by PrettyBadBet
                                        Same thing happened to me two weeks ago. I think it could be because of a bitcoin deposit. I sent BTC from my coinbase account and my account was instantly locked and now under investigation. I haven't had luck with live chat either.
                                        Since Coinbase frowns on gambling sites, is it possible that they had something to do with the transaction issue?
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                                        • DontTailMe
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-24-19
                                          • 2897

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by Frank
                                          Since Coinbase frowns on gambling sites, is it possible that they had something to do with the transaction issue?
                                          How would this come to be on a crypt transaction with an offshore? I'm struggling to imagine. If Coinbase had a problem with it, they could always prevent it....at the beginning.

                                          If they had a delayed reaction, I could see offshores caring fck all.
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                                          • PrettyBadBet
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 09-26-21
                                            • 5

                                            #56
                                            I checked the actual transaction on blockchain and everything has gone through. They have the money. I think just having a new account with a bitcoin deposit could be a flag for them. Who knows, it's been two weeks and anytime I come into live chat to check in 72 hours per there request I get attitude. I don't holler at them just asking for a simple status update. Sucks but at the time it is what it is.
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                                            • DontTailMe
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-24-19
                                              • 2897

                                              #57
                                              Okay, so now we have at least 3 Bookmaker accounts who all appear to be under investigation after performing the same steps within the last couple of weeks.

                                              SBR User: PrettyBadBet (brand new user)
                                              Incident Date: ~9/19 (reported on 10/3, says happened 2 weeks ago)
                                              What happened: New account, bitcoin deposit
                                              First SBR Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30568735

                                              SBR User: Z-Fly (user since 2013)
                                              Incident Date: 9/21
                                              What happened: New account, $300 bitcoin deposit
                                              First SBR Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30555919

                                              SBR User: carlmon (brand new user)
                                              Incident Date: 9/30 (Edit: confirmed)
                                              What happened: New account, $500 bitcoin deposit
                                              First SBR Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30564802
                                              Reddit Report: https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/...ation_process/

                                              Did I miss any other reports? This happening to 3 people / accounts within the same time period is very curious.

                                              A couple of users speculated that it must be because they made a bitcoin deposit as their first deposit on a brand new Bookmaker account. But that doesn't make any sense, since that's what their business IS. Making everyone go through this process wouldn't be a great way to encourage betting on their platform, and we've never heard of such problems there anyways. User @carlmon says Bookmaker told them "our security filters caught something and your account is now under investigation". This rings truer to me, but what could that be?

                                              So what's gong on over at Bookmaker?

                                              @carlmon - Can you clarify when this first happened to you?
                                              Last edited by DontTailMe; 10-04-21, 05:29 PM.
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                                              • Sea Turtle
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 06-14-21
                                                • 254

                                                #58
                                                Dont do you find it weird all 3 knew to report on their first post to SBR and all had the same thing happen to them lol.

                                                Probably a group up to something and they have been caught.
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                                                • carlmon
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 09-30-21
                                                  • 31

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by DontTailMe
                                                  Okay, so now we have at least 3 Bookmaker accounts who all appear to be under investigation after performing the same steps within the last couple of weeks.

                                                  SBR User: PrettyBadBet (brand new user)
                                                  Incident Date: ~9/19 (reported on 10/3, says happened 2 weeks ago)
                                                  What happened: New account, bitcoin deposit
                                                  First Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30568735

                                                  SBR User: Z-Fly (user since 2013)
                                                  Incident Date: 9/21
                                                  What happened: New account, $300 bitcoin deposit
                                                  First Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30555919

                                                  SBR User: carlmon (brand new user)
                                                  Incident Date: Unknown (reported on 10/1 but date of incident not specified)
                                                  What happened: New account, $500 bitcoin deposit
                                                  First Report: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...l#post30564802

                                                  Did I miss any other reports? This happening to 3 people / accounts within the same time period is very curious.

                                                  A couple of users speculated that it must be because they made a bitcoin deposit as their first deposit on a brand new Bookmaker account. But that doesn't make any sense, since that's what their business IS. Making everyone go through this process wouldn't be a great way to encourage betting on their platform, and we've never heard of such problems there anyways. User @carlmon says Bookmaker told them "our security filters caught something and your account is now under investigation". This rings truer to me, but what could that be?

                                                  So what's gong on over at Bookmaker?

                                                  @carlmon - Can you clarify when this first happened to you?
                                                  Hey DontTailMe, I got locked out Thursday, September 30th at around 6pm.

                                                  Relevant detail - I made a post on reddit and two other people are having the exact same issue as I am.
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                                                  • carlmon
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 09-30-21
                                                    • 31

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Sea Turtle
                                                    Dont do you find it weird all 3 knew to report on their first post to SBR and all had the same thing happen to them lol.

                                                    Probably a group up to something and they have been caught.
                                                    You are clearly a troll and are not contributing to this discussion at all.
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                                                    • carlmon
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 09-30-21
                                                      • 31

                                                      #61
                                                      "Your account did not pass our security filters and it has been permanently closed.

                                                      I am afraid you cannot have an account with us .

                                                      We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause .

                                                      If you have funds in the account you will need to allow a few business days for the investigation in the account to be completed in order to withdraw your deposit ."


                                                      just contacted them back after ~48-72 hours, and got the above response.
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                                                      • carlmon
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 09-30-21
                                                        • 31

                                                        #62
                                                        @moderators, can you please attempt to contact them? The other guy in this forum just hit the two-week mark and still hasn't gotten their money back. Something is definitely going on here.
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                                                        • littlekona
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 11-19-15
                                                          • 5241

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by carlmon
                                                          You are clearly a troll and are not contributing to this discussion at all.
                                                          So Bookmaker, probably the safest book for the whales, who paid 7 figures and changed withdrawal rules to accommodate poster flabrah5 is looking to stiff a couple newbies here for a $1000 total. Thats the most comical thing ever. Obviously there is connection to some fraud account probably a charge back issue or some fraud. They have right to refuse you like any business esp if security team flagged you...why else wouldn't they want your dead money
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                                                          • Sea Turtle
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 06-14-21
                                                            • 254

                                                            #64
                                                            They are running off with Carlmons $500!!!
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                                                            • carlmon
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 09-30-21
                                                              • 31

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by littlekona
                                                              So Bookmaker, probably the safest book for the whales, who paid 7 figures and changed withdrawal rules to accommodate poster flabrah5 is looking to stiff a couple newbies here for a $1000 total. Thats the most comical thing ever. Obviously there is connection to some fraud account probably a charge back issue or some fraud. They have right to refuse you like any business esp if security team flagged you...why else wouldn't they want your dead money
                                                              I paid with bitcoin, and while I am probably psyching myself out, there hasn't been any trace on the internet of any real wrong doing by them up until about a month ago.
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                                                              • DontTailMe
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 03-24-19
                                                                • 2897

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by carlmon
                                                                I paid with bitcoin, and while I am probably psyching myself out, there hasn't been any trace on the internet of any real wrong doing by them up until about a month ago.
                                                                Yeah, there's a reason for that.

                                                                What alleged wrong doing has there been this past month?
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                                                                • Optional
                                                                  Administrator
                                                                  • 06-10-10
                                                                  • 60714

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by carlmon
                                                                  @moderators, can you please attempt to contact them? The other guy in this forum just hit the two-week mark and still hasn't gotten their money back. Something is definitely going on here.
                                                                  Please PM me your Bookmaker account number and we can ask a manager in there to have a look for you.
                                                                  .
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                                                                  • carlmon
                                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                                    • 09-30-21
                                                                    • 31

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                                    Please PM me your Bookmaker account number and we can ask a manager in there to have a look for you.
                                                                    PM'd. Looking forward to hearing back. Thanks
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                                                                    • PD77
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 12-11-09
                                                                      • 2381

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by carlmon
                                                                      You are clearly a troll and are not contributing to this discussion at all.
                                                                      I can’t figure this guy out either, been here four months and every post is pro book/ anti player. He even sides with mybookie.ag=scam every time. I thought he was a shill but now I think he’s just a douche.
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                                                                      • Optional
                                                                        Administrator
                                                                        • 06-10-10
                                                                        • 60714

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by carlmon
                                                                        PM'd. Looking forward to hearing back. Thanks
                                                                        Got it
                                                                        .
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