All Youwager and Betpop Issues

[2Sweeet]

Opti has given no update? If this guy didn't do anything wrong I know I can get him paid. Why has no1 updated this case?

[stake1]

There is no update unfortunately

Basically you wager invented a heist, a bs multi account, bs scam concept, in order to get out of paying you the five figure winnings.

This is one of the greatest thefts in offshore history. avoid you wager like the plague fukkk them How in their mind could they be accepting your crypto and zell dep's for eight years, with not a single cc dep, and all of a sudden when your balance hits a high five figs well you are a scammer

[stake1]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

sure, but if you push a free play at you wager? ya get the damn free play back. Unlike betBotOnline those fukkers if you push on the free play? its a loss
Plus you can very rarely use the free play ay BotOnline on anything less than -$107

[fedex11204]

There is no update unfortunately

[2Sweeet]

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#232233

LOL how much did they pay you to post this? A $15 Free play? Is there any update on the Fedex situation?

[2Sweeet]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

The only good thing about YW and BP bonuses back in the day before I got the boot was that they did allow you to cash out winnings, before the rollover was met on most bonuses. No other books did that. Again it's the 2020's of sports gambling. Books offshore have taken a big hit since things became legal. If u put up with it you can't bitch.

[Steelers05]

+150 limit and straight wagers only on free plays compared to other offshore books with +200 cutoffs and pars up to 3 teams allowed. That’s one of the main gripes I have with YW. Plus they think their bonus offers are unreal when in reality they kind of suck compared to other shops.

[Yupitzem]

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#232233

[Yupitzem]

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[Thefix13]

Honestly moving forward I would probably stay clear from almost every offshore sports book, maybe except bookmaker and obviously pinnacle. Other than that they seem to be very much in trouble first because sports books had a very bad year this year and in addition the competition from the legal books is real and not sure how much longer is offshore books can compete. I have a pretty big balance at another book as well and they are also making issues. They are paying me but slow paying me so like I said stay clear from these offshore sports books

off-shore will do just fine as their odds are notably better and they still offer some perks, even if not as good as they used to be. A bad year might hurt some lower books but the need to gamble by average Joe gamblers will line their pockets again during NBA and March Madness. Still a license to print money for books.

[Crusherrr]

I never really fully trusted First Fidelity, just always seemed shady. The poker room seemed suspect with numerous claims of employee play, casino is one of the worst in the entire industry, too many stipulations on bonuses, CS never on the same page, ETC. but I never thought they wouldn't pay out...this is a new low even for them.

LMAO. The poker room is/has been the softest site I've ever played on in my life. Just not enough action as of late to really play there. If you suspect employee play there anytime in the last like 7 years you have no clue what you're talking about. If there was employee play, they're trying to dump money they're so bad.

[fedex11204]

Honestly moving forward I would probably stay clear from almost every offshore sports book, maybe except bookmaker and obviously pinnacle. Other than that they seem to be very much in trouble first because sports books had a very bad year this year and in addition the competition from the legal books is real and not sure how much longer is offshore books can compete. I have a pretty big balance at another book as well and they are also making issues. They are paying me but slow paying me so like I said stay clear from these offshore sports books

[fedex11204]

For those of you who private messaged me asking if I have gotten any resolution, the answer is no as of yet they have stiffed me for the full 18 K and there is no update

[Optional]

@Fedex11204, please check your PM messages and get back to me ASAP.

[Optional]

@VCO

Just to remind you how simple this could have been. This is the question I have asked multiple times that you are still avoiding.

Are you confiscating his $18,000 balance as he claims?

If so, can you please explain a little more about how you think that amount is justified as fair?

[Steelers05]

I never really fully trusted First Fidelity, just always seemed shady. The poker room seemed suspect with numerous claims of employee play, casino is one of the worst in the entire industry, too many stipulations on bonuses, CS never on the same page, ETC. but I never thought they wouldn't pay out...this is a new low even for them.

[Optional]

Hey there Optimal! Just a suggestion – it might be helpful to double-check the facts before posting. There was a response after FedEx's initial comment, and I noticed you're asking for personal information to be shared in the main chat, which could raise some concerns. If you'd like to clarify or get more details, feel free to reach out! Otherwise, you're welcome to continue your discussion with the poster.

Your evasiveness just hardens my suspicion that you are knowingly stretching the truth.

If you want to share evidence, you go ahead and do it in any manner you choose.

Our member denies your allegations. I have nothing more to discuss with him if you are unable to provide anything to back up your claims. Even a plausible vague explanation would be better than you avoiding it like this.



If you do not resolve this issue properly and quickly, I will post a warning that you have stolen this users funds unfairly and that Youwager are black banned on SBR. Any mention of Youwager after that will be met with a warning Youwager can no longer be trusted or promoted on SBR. Your choice VCO. Same as it was your choice to come on here and post a 20 year old members personal information and make unbacked allegations against him. If you cannot see how unfair of you that was, then a blackban is probably even more appropriate. Act fairly please.

[VCO]

Hey there Optimal! Just a suggestion – it might be helpful to double-check the facts before posting. There was a response after FedEx's initial comment, and I noticed you're asking for personal information to be shared in the main chat, which could raise some concerns. If you'd like to clarify or get more details, feel free to reach out! Otherwise, you're welcome to continue your discussion with the poster.

[Brooklyn Dick]

Just another garage book that resorts to any means to stiff people. He was fine until he won.

[stake1]

No not as of yet. I will address the most recent comments made by VCO. The idea that I would have 10 accounts linked to my own is not plausible as surely such an action would be noticeable over the course of 8 years. Also VCO has not provided any specifics about these links. Anyone can start making claims that I have over 100 accounts. Where is the proof to back this up? Another claim is that 7 of 9 deposits were chargebacks. What 9 deposits? I’ve made 100’s of deposits over the years. As someone else stated, the claims get more wild and more money seems to be owed with every post. Most importantly, the fact that I have 8 years of deposits all made with Zelle or Bitcoin should refute any claims that I am a scam account and all my winnings are fraudulent. There is no justification and YW hasn’t provided any.

I hope Youwager pays you. does not add up you are some multi-book scammer, and all of a sudden when you win five figures? well, YW has discovered this as if they are sherlock holmes. makes no sense.
Also, i do not understand YW saying you do all these chargebacks
when you are using crytpo and another direct method. again, makes no sense. What is starting to make sense is YW desperately trying to do whatever they can, not to pay your five figures winnings. That is a red flag for me and hoping they do the right thing, pay you minus whatever they say is owed

[Optional]

To the Moderator:
Thank you for your understanding. As a moderator, we’re happy to share our findings with you once FedEx grants us permission to share his information with a third party like yourself. This is not a case of mistaken identity or any accidental issue. The evidence clearly indicates intentional wrongdoing. You already have my email, so please feel free to reach out once you’ve received authorization from the user.
Regarding your question about the other outfits (Betonline, Bookermaker, Intertops, and 5Dimes):
To Everyone Else:
I apologize if my previous responses weren’t clear. To clarify, FedEx was able to deposit and withdraw funds like any other customer who hadn’t violated our Terms & Conditions or engaged in intentional chargebacks to gain an unfair advantage. This situation developed over several years until his account became linked to the account in question. It’s important to note that FedEx had several payouts, including some large ones, before this issue came up.

I'm not getting anything or emailing anyone.

You are the one who came in here making allegations against a member of 20 years standing. You can back that up yourself thanks.


Fedex will have no problem with you revealing all the details of the other accounts you say he charged back on and owes you for. It should not bother him at all if he is being truthful.

And please don't fall back on the you can't breach privacy line now, after you have shown no problem doing just that with what you think is Fedex's information.

Please go ahead and publicly back up the allegations that you made in public here. Or just pay him what he is owed and move on if you prefer.


I'd suggest that you click the "Posts" link under his avatar and see if anything he has posted over the last 20 years leaves you thinking this is a guy who is juggling 10 accounts, or some sly scammer who is looking for books who take cards to CB on. Or does he sound a little bit naive and unaware of the way books work? If you do take that time you may start to understand why I am so skeptical of your claims.

No not as of yet. I will address the most recent comments made by VCO. The idea that I would have 10 accounts linked to my own is not plausible as surely such an action would be noticeable over the course of 8 years. Also VCO has not provided any specifics about these links. Anyone can start making claims that I have over 100 accounts. Where is the proof to back this up? Another claim is that 7 of 9 deposits were chargebacks. What 9 deposits? I’ve made 100’s of deposits over the years. As someone else stated, the claims get more wild and more money seems to be owed with every post. Most importantly, the fact that I have 8 years of deposits all made with Zelle or Bitcoin should refute any claims that I am a scam account and all my winnings are fraudulent. There is no justification and YW hasn’t provided any.

Please confirm for VCO that you agree to him posting his evidence of your 10 accounts and chargebacks and why Youwager thinks you owe them money from these other accounts.

[fedex11204]

Have you made progress on getting paid?

No not as of yet. I will address the most recent comments made by VCO. The idea that I would have 10 accounts linked to my own is not plausible as surely such an action would be noticeable over the course of 8 years. Also VCO has not provided any specifics about these links. Anyone can start making claims that I have over 100 accounts. Where is the proof to back this up? Another claim is that 7 of 9 deposits were chargebacks. What 9 deposits? I’ve made 100’s of deposits over the years. As someone else stated, the claims get more wild and more money seems to be owed with every post. Most importantly, the fact that I have 8 years of deposits all made with Zelle or Bitcoin should refute any claims that I am a scam account and all my winnings are fraudulent. There is no justification and YW hasn’t provided any.

[VCO]

To the Moderator:
Thank you for your understanding. As a moderator, we’re happy to share our findings with you once FedEx grants us permission to share his information with a third party like yourself. This is not a case of mistaken identity or any accidental issue. The evidence clearly indicates intentional wrongdoing. You already have my email, so please feel free to reach out once you’ve received authorization from the user.
Regarding your question about the other outfits (Betonline, Bookermaker, Intertops, and 5Dimes):
To Everyone Else:
I apologize if my previous responses weren’t clear. To clarify, FedEx was able to deposit and withdraw funds like any other customer who hadn’t violated our Terms & Conditions or engaged in intentional chargebacks to gain an unfair advantage. This situation developed over several years until his account became linked to the account in question. It’s important to note that FedEx had several payouts, including some large ones, before this issue came up.

[stake1]

To address the claims made by VCO regarding chargebacks, I had previously been defrauded by CR sports bet, another book, the details of which have been documented in this forum previously. I did ********** against that book as they closed down and took my money with them. By acknowledging the possibility of a ********** here, I am stating that perhaps when I charged back against that book (correctly), I may have accidentally charged back a legitimate charge from You Wager. That is a possibility, though I do not recall the details, and was certainly done unintentionally. Again, if there were a problem 8 years ago, it should have been addressed and either resolved or resulting in the closure of my account. You have not addressed the justification for confiscating $18,000. As far as fraudulent accounts, I have made all transactions under my account FedEx11204. I did help a family member open an account, however I do not see the fraudulent activity being conducted as 99.9% of transactions were done under one account. Again, if I broke the terms of service by charging back 8 years ago or by opening up one other account for a relative, then simply close my account or charge me what I owe you. You have not made the claim that I owe you $18,000. You have also not addressed the fact that all deposits for the past 8 years have been done with Bitcoin or Zelle. Clearly, I was acting in good faith given the fact that if I were intending to **********, I would have used a credit card.

Have you made progress on getting paid?

[stake1]

YW paid him $3900 out from prev deposits, then he charged back $2900 after being paid. That's $6800. This Fedex guy is obv a scum bag but YW taking deposits and wagers for 8 years with no way for him to CB is the Elephant in the room. Fedex free rolled YW first then YW free rolled him back. IDK at this point what is the right thing to do? I def take $6800 off now. At the very least you have to give him back the amounts deposited through BTC and Zelle over the past 8 yrs.

In my opinion, Youwager looks far worse than fedex here. Unless some other facts are presented, YW has planted a red flag about themselves. fedex should be paid his winnings, minus any amount owed to YW. They took his action over eight additional years. He gets on a streak and wins big. Then all of a sudden he is scammer. Multi account rule violator? That doesn’t seem plausible at all, unless YW is so poorly operated; which I don’t believe to be the case.

[stake1]

Right now, Youwager looks awful. fedex should be paid his balance minus any money owed YW. seizing five figures of his is reprehensible, with the info presented.

[Optional]

You are right. I should have left the last sentence out. I don't know. We will never likely know. How many times have you charged back? Also, what does the number of years posting have to do with anything?

I have spoken to hundreds of sports bettors over the years who charged back or didn't settle when they were supposed to. Millions of dollars. Most of them seem like nice chaps and maybe they are decent people overall. I don't know.

Many scammers are intelligent. Many will justify it in their heads by convincing themselves the book is operating illegally anyways, so what harm am I doing? Of course, they have no issue receiving money when they win. In other words, they have literally convinced themselves they aren't doing anything wrong. When they get caught, they suddenly develop this victim personality hoping to garner sympathy from anyone who will listen. I have seen it hundreds of times.

I shouldn't have even bothered commenting. That's on me. I just know a bit about the inner dealings with offshore books and people just don't charge back accidentally. Just as people don't shoplift by mistake. We have all seen the video's of the shoplifters' excuses when arrested. They act all innocent.

I don't know either. I am trying to give VCO a chance to explain before I make my mind up.

But I have good reasons to suspect Fedex is being mistakenly blamed for some "connection" to other accounts which Youwager are in error about.


And on the assumption side. I have dealt with enough multi accounters to know that one with 10 accounts at Youwager is almost never coming on this forum and kicking up a stink in the case that one gets shut down.

And if he has charged back so many times at so many books over so many years, there is a huge chance one of those books would have alerted me at some point.

[2Sweeet]

One more thing, those Chinese processors back in the day are hard to decipher one from the other that everyone used. They would rip you off sometimes if you didn't pay attention also. Bottom line you took deposits, wagers, and processed payouts over 8 years and had no clue the guy was a CB scam artist? If his acct was limited to only BTC and no CC deposits means YW you are lying. He was already on your radar if this was the case. WTF is Corey when u need him

[2Sweeet]

I called Fedex a scumbag, I 100% think back in the day he charged back on purpose. This doesn't change the fact that YW took deposits, wagers, and processed payouts for 8 years. It was a 100% Free Roll by YW in the end.. Fedex deposited in methods that can't be CB over those 8 years. Weird situation here. People change in life maybe Fedex did after his chargebacks. Also what does CRsportsbet have to do with the YW and BetPop anyway? Guess they pulled that up from the dirt sheets the offshore books use. Maybe Max the old manager from there Poker Room could chime in and explain how he was allowed to play at 30 60 limit when he worked there also. LOL

[DwightShrute]

Are you saying Fedex, a poster with 20 years of posting at SBR is suddenly a scammer?

Based on what? He has a long and what appears to be a helpful and honest posting record here.

If he had been as much of a serial CB artist as VCO claims, I would have heard about it long before now Dwight.


Let's see if Youwager can back up any of these claims.

You are right. I should have left the last sentence out. I don't know. We will never likely know. How many times have you charged back? Also, what does the number of years posting have to do with anything?

I have spoken to hundreds of sports bettors over the years who charged back or didn't settle when they were supposed to. Millions of dollars. Most of them seem like nice chaps and maybe they are decent people overall. I don't know.

Many scammers are intelligent. Many will justify it in their heads by convincing themselves the book is operating illegally anyways, so what harm am I doing? Of course, they have no issue receiving money when they win. In other words, they have literally convinced themselves they aren't doing anything wrong. When they get caught, they suddenly develop this victim personality hoping to garner sympathy from anyone who will listen. I have seen it hundreds of times.

I shouldn't have even bothered commenting. That's on me. I just know a bit about the inner dealings with offshore books and people just don't charge back accidentally. Just as people don't shoplift by mistake. We have all seen the video's of the shoplifters' excuses when arrested. They act all innocent.

[Optional]

this sounds more believable.


Just another scammer.

Are you saying Fedex, a poster with 20 years of posting at SBR is suddenly a scammer?

Based on what? He has a long and what appears to be a helpful and honest posting record here.

If he had been as much of a serial CB artist as VCO claims, I would have heard about it long before now Dwight.


Let's see if Youwager can back up any of these claims.

[Optional]

Are you confiscating his $18,000 balance as he claims?

If so, can you please explain a little more about how you think that amount is justified as fair?

To address Fedex11204 directly, and for everyone’s understanding: Why were you allowed to play if we were aware of the chargebacks? The simple reason is that we didn’t become aware of your involvement with fraudulent accounts until the withdrawal request was made. Prior to that, Fedex11204 had successfully completed several withdrawals, as mentioned by the poster himself.

For full transparency, here’s a breakdown of the activity related to the fraudulent account that Fedex11204 was directly involved with: IN - 3880, OUT - 3996, and several chargebacks totaling 2909, in that order. This resulted in a negative balance of 3025, despite the customer having profited from their play. Additionally, the customer’s account has over 1K worth of chargebacks.

Would you please give me a straight and direct answer?

The poster denies your allegations. Which seem to be getting more and more extreme with added claims each post you make.


I am the one you need to convince this is a justified action if you do not want to see Youwager black banned on SBR.

And right now I find Ferdex believable and you not so much. His story has not changed whilst yours gets more and more detailed each time you reply. If it was this obvious I think you would have told Fedex to start with he was caught and there would be no complaint here at all if you were correct.

Fedex is open and honest about CRsportsbet, who are a clear scam and deserve to be CBed on... are you connected to that scam in any way or just defending them to bolster your own case?

Who are the other 5 books you claim he has charged back against? I will surely know someone senior at most or all of those books and can verify independently.



Once again, are you taking his full balance?

In what way are you justifying that if so.

Nothing you have posted here so far is enough to justify it... it's just you making unbacked up claims.

[DwightShrute]

As mentioned earlier, this issue only came to light recently. Otherwise, his account would have been closed 8 years ago, and he wouldn't have been able to continue wagering. Based on the information provided earlier, the losses significantly exceed just the amount of the **********. If you carefully review what was stated previously, you’ll see that this was intentional, not a mistake. The customer made deposits totaling 3,880 and withdrew 3,996, then proceeded to charge back 2,909 using an alias of someone who was not related to him, but instead a "beard" he used to open an account and later charge back. Furthermore, 7 of the 9 deposits were charged back. While incidental chargebacks are sometimes understandable, having 7 of 9 deposits charged back clearly indicates intentional actions, not an error. The 2 deposits that were not charged back were made through Bitcoin, which cannot be charged back. He also initiated chargebacks through his own account. FedEx has stated that chargebacks were only made with CRsportsbet, yet he has done the same with over 5 other companies. Additionally, the customer has 10 accounts linked to his with us. It is also important to note that the customer profited from the deposits he later charged back. This is not an isolated incident, but rather part of a recurring pattern.

this sounds more believable.


Just another scammer.

[2Sweeet]

Also Fedex said he was paid prior to this and I played at YW for many years, the past few years they tightened up there security and you had to send your ID in to get a payout even if you used BTC. This was after they had some internal issues with previous employees knowing customers info and stealing BTC. How did this not come to YW attn on previous payouts?

[2Sweeet]

Taking eight years of action with deposits, payouts, chargebacks, and now discovering a negative four figures owed, then seizing a five figure balance does not equate.
How is YW justifying fedex owes five figures?

YW paid him $3900 out from prev deposits, then he charged back $2900 after being paid. That's $6800. This Fedex guy is obv a scum bag but YW taking deposits and wagers for 8 years with no way for him to CB is the Elephant in the room. Fedex free rolled YW first then YW free rolled him back. IDK at this point what is the right thing to do? I def take $6800 off now. At the very least you have to give him back the amounts deposited through BTC and Zelle over the past 8 yrs.